Hello human. I am Wilgy. May I bite your wrist?
Can you explain your vote?
I like to check people who seem hard to read or who could be deepwolves.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:38 pmI feel that was an unwise decision. Based on your behavior day 2, why didn't you check dragomir?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:28 pmThey just died in the same night so it's a sad irony.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:27 pmDoes this add anything to the conversation and did you allude to this previously?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:24 pm I am the N2 cop. I checked Jack.
Fun fact I kept alternating between Jack and Epi in the PM until I settled for Jack.
Based on? (Sorry if this question line is annoying, but please do humor me so I can understand.)
Hi. I've been sussing Owner ever since D1 which has progressively been getting stronger and stronger. From joining Ultra(mafia) in lynching JJJ in which both of their cases weren't even that strong and looked fake. To what looked like TMI on Gemma after her lynch was made(to make it even worse, she completely ignored my questioning her about it). And lastly, going for a super low hanging fruit in Jessie last DP, completely avoiding discussing Speedchuck and RDW who were both leading wagons at one point. She also has zero interactions with Ultra.
How did you know I had an ability to target night 1?
Only interaction she had with Ultra which I have no idea what this post even means or how it progresses the game.Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:56 pmLet's say for a moment I don't know what a chainsaw defense is. (or don't know it by that name)
Should I
A. Google it
B. Phone a friend (aka I'm asking for a friend)
C. Wait and see if someone is willing to give the cliff notes version of it all so that I can accurately understand what he's saying about these two people
I didn't leave my vote on JJJ if memory serves. Gemma claimed day 1, that's not tmi. That's me being pissed off. She wanted to be subbed out. She stayed, but then people still mislynched her, when she was semi-clearly confirmed town, who claimed day 1. Mafia generally doesn't claim there. So sorry if I'm pissed off at the 5 or so people who mislynched when her second chance at saving someone could have helped us on n3. But no somehow she gotten mislynched on day 2.Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:34 pmHi. I've been sussing Owner ever since D1 which has progressively been getting stronger and stronger. From joining Ultra(mafia) in lynching JJJ in which both of their cases weren't even that strong and looked fake. To what looked like TMI on Gemma after her lynch was made(to make it even worse, she completely ignored my questioning her about it). And lastly, going for a super low hanging fruit in Jessie last DP, completely avoiding discussing Speedchuck and RDW who were both leading wagons at one point. She also has zero interactions with Ultra.
No, you were jailed by Lux night 1 not jack.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:47 pm Voyeur
N1 - Jack - no report - jailed by Lux
N2 - Epignosis - killer
N3 - nutella - nothing
N4 - DDL - no report - jailed by speed?
There may be a ticket out of that hole and it's call the activity train. All aboard.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 8:02 pmUnfortunate.speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 7:55 pm @DrWilgy You are in the POE by default which is a big problem because we've been lynching inactives by necessity and it's one day till MYLO as it stands.
So... By POE there's nothing else to go on or I am the best choice?
@MacDougall who did you target night 2?
Right I think you misread that.Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:48 pmNo, you were jailed by Lux night 1 not jack.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:47 pm Voyeur
N1 - Jack - no report - jailed by Lux
N2 - Epignosis - killer
N3 - nutella - nothing
N4 - DDL - no report - jailed by speed?
What does this theory tell you about Mac?Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:52 pm I think final 3 scum are Speedy, DDL and Dragomir. And I think the votes can back that up. Or I see somewhat of a pattern there.
I tracked Lux and showed that they targeted you. I don't see how it can be more black and white than that. So please explain what you are trying to say here.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:51 pmRight I think you misread that.Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:48 pmNo, you were jailed by Lux night 1 not jack.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:47 pm Voyeur
N1 - Jack - no report - jailed by Lux
N2 - Epignosis - killer
N3 - nutella - nothing
N4 - DDL - no report - jailed by speed?
We're in agreement. I mean that I did say Lux jailed in that post just now. Check it in these quotes.Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:54 pmI tracked Lux and showed that they targeted you. I don't see how it can be more black and white than that. So please explain what you are trying to say here.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:51 pmRight I think you misread that.Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:48 pmNo, you were jailed by Lux night 1 not jack.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:47 pm Voyeur
N1 - Jack - no report - jailed by Lux
N2 - Epignosis - killer
N3 - nutella - nothing
N4 - DDL - no report - jailed by speed?
It's more of a connection I'm seeing with speedy and Dragomir. Mac's votes are split between voting mostly for dragomir and voting on the main wagon.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:53 pmWhat does this theory tell you about Mac?Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:52 pm I think final 3 scum are Speedy, DDL and Dragomir. And I think the votes can back that up. Or I see somewhat of a pattern there.
I've just done so. The role actions have been expended anyway, and they're all irrelevant to alignment. What's holding you back, Doctor Q. Wilgy?
I mean that Mac has claimed a green peek on DDL. How does this influence your perspective?Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:57 pmIt's more of a connection I'm seeing with speedy and Dragomir. Mac's votes are split between voting mostly for dragomir and voting on the main wagon.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:53 pmWhat does this theory tell you about Mac?Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:52 pm I think final 3 scum are Speedy, DDL and Dragomir. And I think the votes can back that up. Or I see somewhat of a pattern there.
Oh!!! It's says Voyeur there.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:56 pmWe're in agreement. I mean that I did say Lux jailed in that post just now. Check it in these quotes.Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:54 pmI tracked Lux and showed that they targeted you. I don't see how it can be more black and white than that. So please explain what you are trying to say here.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:51 pmRight I think you misread that.Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:48 pmNo, you were jailed by Lux night 1 not jack.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:47 pm Voyeur
N1 - Jack - no report - jailed by Lux
N2 - Epignosis - killer
N3 - nutella - nothing
N4 - DDL - no report - jailed by speed?
rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 1:02 pm [VOTE: dragomir] aubergine
I have a final in 48 minutes, then another final tomorrow. Sorry y'all.
These were six hours prior to EOD. To my memory, at the time the tally was led by speedchuck at three votes, RDW himself had two, and Dragomir had one (RDW made it two). I demand interpretations immediately.rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 1:03 pm In case y'all try and lynch me I am town tracker, MacDougall didn't target anyone night 2.
I remember skimming something about Mac or DDL claiming something. But I couldn't find the exact post/wording whenever it occurred. I guess if not DDL maybe Dr. Wilgy; it just felt odd for him to ask who I targeted day 1 when there wasn't a guarantee that I had an ability to do so on day 1. It feels like tmi. He could have read about it already, but why would he feel the need to ask me about it. It kind of felt like he might have already known the answer. Potentially something in a QT I guess, was my first thought.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:58 pm
I mean that Mac has claimed a green peek on DDL. How does this influence your perspective?
[mention]DrWilgy[/mention], you are summoned to answer.Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:04 amI remember skimming something about Mac or DDL claiming something. But I couldn't find the exact post/wording whenever it occurred. I guess if not DDL maybe Dr. Wilgy; it just felt odd for him to ask who I targeted day 1 when there wasn't a guarantee that I had an ability to do so on day 1. It feels like tmi. He could have read about it already, but why would he feel the need to ask me about it. It kind of felt like he might have already known the answer. Potentially something in a QT I guess, was my first thought.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:58 pm
I mean that Mac has claimed a green peek on DDL. How does this influence your perspective?
Is your theory of Dragomir and speedchuck being teamed specifically inspired by the claim, or does that strengthen some hunch you already had?Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:47 pm With Speedy's claim, I would probably put you on a team with him. Even though he says you didn't make the kills, you probably wouldn't be making the kills in the first place as there was so much suspicion around you to begin with.
[mention]Owner of a Lonely Heart[/mention], this is something I'd like to see you address directly.
How many games have you played with Doctor Q. Wilgy?
I feel like you should have also quoted the other one, but semantics, anyways, I feel kind of bad. People shouldn't leave me alive to solve the game. Like it happens a lot of games, I stay alive to the near end, cause I generally have a bunch of mislynch po[mention]DrWilgy[/mention]JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:06 am@DrWilgy, you are summoned to answer.Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:04 amI remember skimming something about Mac or DDL claiming something. But I couldn't find the exact post/wording whenever it occurred. I guess if not DDL maybe Dr. Wilgy; it just felt odd for him to ask who I targeted day 1 when there wasn't a guarantee that I had an ability to do so on day 1. It feels like tmi. He could have read about it already, but why would he feel the need to ask me about it. It kind of felt like he might have already known the answer. Potentially something in a QT I guess, was my first thought.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:58 pm
I mean that Mac has claimed a green peek on DDL. How does this influence your perspective?
If you scum, I blocc
Dragomir's reasons for voting me today just feel like all kinds of wrong or the progression on me feels like an agenda to mislynch me.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:11 amIs your theory of Dragomir and speedchuck being teamed specifically inspired by the claim, or does that strengthen some hunch you already had?Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:47 pm With Speedy's claim, I would probably put you on a team with him. Even though he says you didn't make the kills, you probably wouldn't be making the kills in the first place as there was so much suspicion around you to begin with.
I do feel that Dragomir has been fiercer in his convictions than would make sense for a civilian mindset, particularly now at this stage of the game. I recall the MU folks recently referring to this as a "gotcha moment" -- when a player jumps all over a case with a degree of confidence that may not suit the circumstances (and as such it's a tell). Dragomir's entire post history is a continuous gotcha.Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:19 am But what Dragomir is doing doesn't look strong at all. I get why he's pushing me - cause there's a potential I might not really play that much, but still it's like dude, you were kind of caught in the act of overreacting to one vote. Yes, I get town has a reason to live too, but I did still claim early on. And you said "you wanted to scum read me"; it was like you knew I was town and what I did was townie. But then you decided/went ahead and scum read me anyway. It kind of feels like one of those grudge votes. (You were suspicious of me early, so I'm gonna get you back one way or another type deals. But yeah, it's not a super natural type read; it's like Dragomir is trying to hard to push something that isn't very natural or genuine feeling.
RDW voted for Dragomir on day 2. He was one of the 5 on Dragomir or not one of the 7 who voted Soneji out. If memory serves, I think he was one of the later ones on Dragomir.nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:24 am I too have been finding Wilgy's questions kind of odd, like he knows a weird set of information about the game but is still missing a lot. @DrWilgy how much have you read?
I am in agreement with Owner about the possibility of a speed/drago team and I think the third is likely RDW or Wilgy. Owner what are your thoughts on RDW?
[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine for now, I'm still feeling worst about him
My role wasn't very useful anyway. Did either your blocc or protecc mindset have a prevailing place in your decision?speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:23 amIf you scum, I blocc
If you town, I protecc
Was hoping for one of those. I had no idea what your role was.
You mean that I roleblocked/protected him on N2?Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:24 am Speedy's claim today is now an association read to Dragomir's flip. The way speedy's claim brings up or talks about Dragomir, pinged me. I had no direct connections with them before today.
Yeah, I get a similar feeling - [mention]Dragomir[/mention] I had some trouble articulating the problems I've had with the way you've been pursuing Owner but this is sort of it. It's like you have chosen her as the scapegoat to come back to whenever you feel like lightly pressuring someone, in a way that slowly, gradually manipulates the narrative to set her up as a future mislynch in your favor.Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:19 am
But what Dragomir is doing doesn't look strong at all. I get why he's pushing me - cause there's a potential I might not really play that much, but still it's like dude, you were kind of caught in the act of overreacting to one vote. Yes, I get town has a reason to live too, but I did still claim early on. And you said "you wanted to scum read me"; it was like you knew I was town and what I did was townie. But then you decided/went ahead and scum read me anyway. It kind of feels like one of those grudge votes. (You were suspicious of me early, so I'm gonna get you back one way or another type deals. But yeah, it's not a super natural type read; it's like Dragomir is trying to hard to push something that isn't very natural or genuine feeling.
Block.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:28 amMy role wasn't very useful anyway. Did either your blocc or protecc mindset have a prevailing place in your decision?speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:23 amIf you scum, I blocc
If you town, I protecc
Was hoping for one of those. I had no idea what your role was.
You suggested earlier that you were inclined to put RDW in your town circle. Was that merely by dissociation from Dragomir, or because of RDW's own play?Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:28 am RDW voted for Dragomir on day 2. He was one of the 5 on Dragomir or not one of the 7 who voted Soneji out. If memory serves, I think he was one of the later ones on Dragomir.
Yesterday, they were both voting for each other. If memory serves, I think Drago and RDW have been consistently voting each other or wanting the other one dead.
I wouldn't like put them on a team together.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:26 amI do feel that Dragomir has been fiercer in his convictions than would make sense for a civilian mindset, particularly now at this stage of the game. I recall the MU folks recently referring to this as a "gotcha moment" -- when a player jumps all over a case with a degree of confidence that may not suit the circumstances (and as such it's a tell). Dragomir's entire post history is a continuous gotcha.Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:19 am But what Dragomir is doing doesn't look strong at all. I get why he's pushing me - cause there's a potential I might not really play that much, but still it's like dude, you were kind of caught in the act of overreacting to one vote. Yes, I get town has a reason to live too, but I did still claim early on. And you said "you wanted to scum read me"; it was like you knew I was town and what I did was townie. But then you decided/went ahead and scum read me anyway. It kind of feels like one of those grudge votes. (You were suspicious of me early, so I'm gonna get you back one way or another type deals. But yeah, it's not a super natural type read; it's like Dragomir is trying to hard to push something that isn't very natural or genuine feeling.
How willing are you to attribute that sort of mentality to personality instead of to alignment? It's almost the exact inverse of where we were with Gemma, who couldn't bring herself to make concrete reads at all in many cases.