Arrowverse Mafia - Day 8

[Jackofhearts2005]

Nutella, I’m calling you out for having big eyes, big teeth, etc.

[Luxurious]

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Mac: well I'm just being cautious about him bc you know. But actually he did kinda ping me with this post



Perhaps he is one of those players who have rolled anti-town, and that's why it's on his mind.

Also he suspected Epi for giving out town reads which is something town Epi does and actually I believe Mac did the same thing in scrimmage.


Mata has checked in only to laugh off Epi's statement of suspicion of her and to provide some slank cover.


Mafmen is just focused on mechanics and I feel like there were bits of it that seemed like they could have come from a scum perspective

Are you saying Mac was scum reading Epi because of the same thing he’s saying here?

Or is it that Mac was also easily handing out townreads.

Re: MM
What looked like it came from scum?

The first one.


re: mm, I'll have to look back but (a) not being as worried about the cult as ultra was, and (b) miscounting the kpn (could be faked ignorance or could be that his understanding was skewed for some other reason). and (c) just more generally he seems quite focused on the scum team mechanics as a topic (not counting Vig/SK in kpn for instance)

Okay then (a) why are you using ultra as a frame of reference for MM (b) that looks more like a tinfoil rather than a derp!town consideration (c) why doesnt he ask scum team for clarification regarding his kill instead of posting the numbers itt

Like i had a reason to view it as less town and figured we’d mindmeld on it but we didnt

Point is that it looks like words for the sake of words. Like he’s doing something rather than just twiddling thumbs

Well yeah no I agree with you on that. Maybe this wasn't clear but I suspect him for focusing on mechanics as a reason in itself, not just because of specific things I saw as scummy. Even if I didn't have those little pings (which like you said are pretty circumstantial) I suspect him for the mechanics talk as a general trend.

I need a thonk emoji

Like the thinking emoji but derpy

maybe?

That's my contribution for today.

I'm really tired.

Nothing will convey my emotions better than the thonk emoji

[Jackofhearts2005]

[Luxurious]

Well yeah no I agree with you on that. Maybe this wasn't clear but I suspect him for focusing on mechanics as a reason in itself, not just because of specific things I saw as scummy. Even if I didn't have those little pings (which like you said are pretty circumstantial) I suspect him for the mechanics talk as a general trend.

This seems like potential backed-into-a-corner-word-salad of an explanation

could you elaborate on this in a clear matter

When I originally stated my reason for suspecting MM I said it was because he was focusing on mechanics and that there were parts of that discussion which specifically pinged me. Even disregarding the small specific pings, which both he and Lux dismissed as weak and I concede that they were, I still suspect him for the main reason of generally focusing on mechanics. That make sense?

Okay so then question!

Why is Ultra’s focus on mechanics towny here then? What makes it towny to you?

I never said ultra was towny for the mechanical stuff, he's towny for other reasons

Like?

Does the mechanical stuff effect your read on him?

[Luxurious]

Is there any chance we can get day 0 to end earlier than 48 hours

[nutella]

But seriously @Sloonei Mata is my top suspect right now. Her iso is crap.

It’s day 0 and people are already isoing?

Has 24 hours even passed?

I'm not, I just literally meant all of her posts of which there were only like 4 at the time lol

[Sloonei]

If Day 1 started right now my vote would be on nutella.

Your suspicions are gravitating around people focusing too much on mechanics and I don’t see you as a driving force in the thread. You’re reacting rather than creating. It feels safe.

Sloonei treating day 0 like a super extension on day 1 is like good

But I think this is a bit early of a jump

I can see this coming from an anxious town or a trigger happy scum.

Since y’all apparently bus like there’s no tomorrow here, I’m leaning scum

What does bussing have to do with this? Do you think nutella must also be scum for me to be scum here?

[nutella]

Nutella, I’m calling you out for having big eyes, big teeth, etc.

You got me, those are some of my best features

[Sloonei]

Suspecting people for mechanics talk is an easy strategy for scum to latch onto than mechanics talk. Discuss.

But it can also be pretty valid if all the player is doing is mechanic talk without any actual scum hunting/game solving in their posts. An easy way to look contributive.

It can be. But it’s also an easy thing to call a person out on. That is my point.

[Luxurious]

But seriously @Sloonei Mata is my top suspect right now. Her iso is crap.

It’s day 0 and people are already isoing?

Has 24 hours even passed?

I'm not, I just literally meant all of her posts of which there were only like 4 at the time lol

While directed at you it is also directly at Sloonei who actually did look at her iso lmao

[Luxurious]

If Day 1 started right now my vote would be on nutella.

Your suspicions are gravitating around people focusing too much on mechanics and I don’t see you as a driving force in the thread. You’re reacting rather than creating. It feels safe.

Sloonei treating day 0 like a super extension on day 1 is like good

But I think this is a bit early of a jump

I can see this coming from an anxious town or a trigger happy scum.

Since y’all apparently bus like there’s no tomorrow here, I’m leaning scum

What does bussing have to do with this? Do you think nutella must also be scum for me to be scum here?

Yes that’s an associative read

[nutella]

Well yeah no I agree with you on that. Maybe this wasn't clear but I suspect him for focusing on mechanics as a reason in itself, not just because of specific things I saw as scummy. Even if I didn't have those little pings (which like you said are pretty circumstantial) I suspect him for the mechanics talk as a general trend.

This seems like potential backed-into-a-corner-word-salad of an explanation

could you elaborate on this in a clear matter

When I originally stated my reason for suspecting MM I said it was because he was focusing on mechanics and that there were parts of that discussion which specifically pinged me. Even disregarding the small specific pings, which both he and Lux dismissed as weak and I concede that they were, I still suspect him for the main reason of generally focusing on mechanics. That make sense?

Okay so then question!

Why is Ultra’s focus on mechanics towny here then? What makes it towny to you?

I never said ultra was towny for the mechanical stuff, he's towny for other reasons

Like?

Does the mechanical stuff effect your read on him?

This was established pretty early on -- I agree with speed and whoever else said Ultra is the polar opposite of how he was in the scrimmage and therefore I believe he's probably town. The mechanics stuff is kind of relevant just because that is the majority of the content he was producing, but it felt like an earnest attempt to do what to him felt like a good approach to solving the game at the time, whereas MM's stuff doesn't feel like it's coming from that kind of mindset (he was more sorting out the facts of the setup rather than actively looking for ways to help town so far).

[Jackofhearts2005]

Public service announcement: Green Arrow is the best superhero because he made Green Lantern admit he hadn’t ever done anything to help black people and he once called Aquaman a five fathomed fascist and he hits people with boxing glove arrows and he’s so good, he can shoot an arrow hard enough to pierce a goddamn submarine and draw an arrow with his teeth.

[Sloonei]

But seriously @Sloonei Mata is my top suspect right now. Her iso is crap.

It’s day 0 and people are already isoing?

Has 24 hours even passed?

I'm not, I just literally meant all of her posts of which there were only like 4 at the time lol

While directed at you it is also directly at Sloonei who actually did look at her iso lmao

I’m just really excited to be playing this game, okay?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Nutella, I’m calling you out for having big eyes, big teeth, etc.

You got me, those are some of my best features

You are an anime character or a wolf.

[Luxurious]

Well yeah no I agree with you on that. Maybe this wasn't clear but I suspect him for focusing on mechanics as a reason in itself, not just because of specific things I saw as scummy. Even if I didn't have those little pings (which like you said are pretty circumstantial) I suspect him for the mechanics talk as a general trend.

This seems like potential backed-into-a-corner-word-salad of an explanation

could you elaborate on this in a clear matter

When I originally stated my reason for suspecting MM I said it was because he was focusing on mechanics and that there were parts of that discussion which specifically pinged me. Even disregarding the small specific pings, which both he and Lux dismissed as weak and I concede that they were, I still suspect him for the main reason of generally focusing on mechanics. That make sense?

Okay so then question!

Why is Ultra’s focus on mechanics towny here then? What makes it towny to you?

I never said ultra was towny for the mechanical stuff, he's towny for other reasons

Like?

Does the mechanical stuff effect your read on him?

This was established pretty early on -- I agree with speed and whoever else said Ultra is the polar opposite of how he was in the scrimmage and therefore I believe he's probably town. The mechanics stuff is kind of relevant just because that is the majority of the content he was producing, but it felt like an earnest attempt to do what to him felt like a good approach to solving the game at the time, whereas MM's stuff doesn't feel like it's coming from that kind of mindset (he was more sorting out the facts of the setup rather than actively looking for ways to help town so far).

I just wanted the mechanics stuff because I knew the rest.

Have you played with MM before?

[Sloonei]

If Day 1 started right now my vote would be on nutella.

Your suspicions are gravitating around people focusing too much on mechanics and I don’t see you as a driving force in the thread. You’re reacting rather than creating. It feels safe.

Sloonei treating day 0 like a super extension on day 1 is like good

But I think this is a bit early of a jump

I can see this coming from an anxious town or a trigger happy scum.

Since y’all apparently bus like there’s no tomorrow here, I’m leaning scum

What does bussing have to do with this? Do you think nutella must also be scum for me to be scum here?

Yes that’s an associative read

well sit tight. I’m holding back on the bulk of my nutella suspicion until Day 1 actually starts. You’ll have more to judge then.

[Luxurious]

But seriously @Sloonei Mata is my top suspect right now. Her iso is crap.

It’s day 0 and people are already isoing?

Has 24 hours even passed?

I'm not, I just literally meant all of her posts of which there were only like 4 at the time lol

While directed at you it is also directly at Sloonei who actually did look at her iso lmao

I’m just really excited to be playing this game, okay?

A little TOO excited :thonk:

[Luxurious]

well sit tight. I’m holding back on the bulk of my nutella suspicion until Day 1 actually starts. You’ll have more to judge then.

[nutella]

This seems like potential backed-into-a-corner-word-salad of an explanation

could you elaborate on this in a clear matter

When I originally stated my reason for suspecting MM I said it was because he was focusing on mechanics and that there were parts of that discussion which specifically pinged me. Even disregarding the small specific pings, which both he and Lux dismissed as weak and I concede that they were, I still suspect him for the main reason of generally focusing on mechanics. That make sense?

Okay so then question!

Why is Ultra’s focus on mechanics towny here then? What makes it towny to you?

I never said ultra was towny for the mechanical stuff, he's towny for other reasons

Like?

Does the mechanical stuff effect your read on him?

This was established pretty early on -- I agree with speed and whoever else said Ultra is the polar opposite of how he was in the scrimmage and therefore I believe he's probably town. The mechanics stuff is kind of relevant just because that is the majority of the content he was producing, but it felt like an earnest attempt to do what to him felt like a good approach to solving the game at the time, whereas MM's stuff doesn't feel like it's coming from that kind of mindset (he was more sorting out the facts of the setup rather than actively looking for ways to help town so far).

I just wanted the mechanics stuff because I knew the rest.

Have you played with MM before?

I believe I've only played with MM once. Mayyyyybe twice? I think just once. I don't remember a lot about his style but I think I was scum in that game and got a fair amount of pressure from him so I believe I expect him to be more interrogative/interactive.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Nutella, how do you respond to my vague accusations and intention to arrow you in the pancreas?

[nutella]

Nutella, how do you respond to my vague accusations and intention to arrow you in the pancreas?

you haven't given me much to respond to, so as of now I just fart in your general direction. I think you're making it up for reactions but you won't catch me there

[Sloonei]

Nutella, how do you respond to my vague accusations and intention to arrow you in the pancreas?

you haven't given me much to respond to, so as of now I just fart in your general direction. I think you're making it up for reactions but you won't catch me there

So you can be caught?

[nutella]

Nutella, how do you respond to my vague accusations and intention to arrow you in the pancreas?

you haven't given me much to respond to, so as of now I just fart in your general direction. I think you're making it up for reactions but you won't catch me there

So you can be caught?

lol nah I'm the gingerbread man

[nutella]

Sloonei is really overeager about his suspicion of me, he's latching onto everything I say as suspicious in whatever way he can twist it to be. I think he's scum who's really excited to be in a multiball game and taking advantage of the fact that he can still hunt to do it excessively to look town

[Jackofhearts2005]

Nutella, how do you respond to my vague accusations and intention to arrow you in the pancreas?

you haven't given me much to respond to, so as of now I just fart in your general direction. I think you're making it up for reactions but you won't catch me there

So you can be caught?

I rest my case.

[nutella]

Nutella, how do you respond to my vague accusations and intention to arrow you in the pancreas?

you haven't given me much to respond to, so as of now I just fart in your general direction. I think you're making it up for reactions but you won't catch me there

So you can be caught?

I rest my case.

You have no case geddouuuuuudddahere.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sloonei is really overeager about his suspicion of me, he's latching onto everything I say as suspicious in whatever way he can twist it to be. I think he's scum who's really excited to be in a multiball game and taking advantage of the fact that he can still hunt to do it excessively to look town

You know why you’re scum? Cause you’ve accused like four people of being scum and you don’t sound like you believe any of those players are actually bad.

[nutella]

Sloonei is really overeager about his suspicion of me, he's latching onto everything I say as suspicious in whatever way he can twist it to be. I think he's scum who's really excited to be in a multiball game and taking advantage of the fact that he can still hunt to do it excessively to look town

You know why you’re scum? Cause you’ve accused like four people of being scum and you don’t sound like you believe any of those players are actually bad.

I strongly suspect mata. I less strongly suspect mm and sloonei. I don't really suspect mac anymore. Also that's not even a reasonable argument as I literally just pointed out scum can also have legitimate suspicions in this game lol.

[Epignosis]

I've got Ultra and Sloonei as civilians. Anybody else want to join the party?

I don't feel good about how easy you are giving Sloonei a townpass.

I don't care about your feelings.

[Epignosis]

Epi giving Sloonei a town pass already shits me off.

No it doesn't.

There are two mafia teams and a last man standing independent. Your post isn't even an accusation. This is fuel for a potential accusation.

Mac is bad.

[MafiaMenace]

luxurious is scum

nutella is neutral
epi is neutral +1
ultra is neutral
creature is neutral -1

juliets is probably town


change my mind

[juliets]

Spoiler: show

sorry, what is prs?

and hi LC!

power roles (anything but citizen)
since this is a role madness game this is probably the wrong word to use

Ok so you are focused on how the civs can deal with the non-civ power roles and how Felicity's pr fits in to that strategy? I know this seems picky but I'm just trying to understand your focus so I can better determine if your actions are civ or not.

Iinki again - don't even have time to get my thoughts straight before there's more to think about

How did you get here with this idea? Like where did he say that he’s focused on how civs can deal with non-civs?

Like i see point a, and c respectively, but what happened to b?

I was paraphrasing what I thought he was saying. I'm not sure what point you're saying is missing - he said it was strategic, and he was looking at non-civ power roles, and he was looking at felicity. He replied what what I said was basically what he was saying so I assume my paraphrase is correct.

Ih wait! I read your question wrong. The part about looking at the civs dealing with the non civ power roles is what you are asking about. That was my deduction about what he was saying. That's why I was checking my paraphrase with him at all instead of just assuming my deduction was correct.

Okay fair.

So it wasnt something he said directly? Just something you thought he was saying to which he agreed

Yes Lux, exactly.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei is really overeager about his suspicion of me, he's latching onto everything I say as suspicious in whatever way he can twist it to be. I think he's scum who's really excited to be in a multiball game and taking advantage of the fact that he can still hunt to do it excessively to look town

“Everything”?

[Sloonei]

luxurious is scum

nutella is neutral
epi is neutral +1
ultra is neutral
creature is neutral -1

juliets is probably town


change my mind

Tell me about Lux.

[Spacedaisy]

Why can't I set 100 posts per page?

You should be able to, but I was curious and started clicking around in my own UCP and it doesn't seem like the posts-per-page function is working at all. No matter what number I set it to, it stays at 50. I'll get to the bottom of this or die trying, you have my word.

here lies sloonei, cause of death: phpbb fuckery

"Which I can relate to." - diarmyhowley (I think it was him anyway...)

[MafiaMenace]

Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

at first glance cult looks pretty harmless early game, in my personal opinion it should be spent on someone like deathstroke, it brings down the average kpn from 2.5 (i assume) down to 1.5

i dont see any posts of ultra that would let me make a read as they are all pregame fluff which happens or strategic thinking which comes from both alignments

Hmmmm

Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

at first glance cult looks pretty harmless early game, in my personal opinion it should be spent on someone like deathstroke, it brings down the average kpn from 2.5 (i assume) down to 1.5

i dont see any posts of ultra that would let me make a read as they are all pregame fluff which happens or strategic thinking which comes from both alignments

Hmmmm

what's on yer mind?

It feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra’s doing

And I’m not sure if MM has played with Ultra before but it’s kinda shady to dismiss his posts as pregame fluff or NAI

i mentioned before how it was really bad how instead of getting to the point lux started with "hmmm" and waited for someone to ask them what was up
which is wolfy as fuck and if not highly disappointing

Spoiler: show

I'll drop this for a second because you mentioned earlier other ways to make use of info roles - do you mind expanding, and how do you think we could possibly make use of felicia

"Breadcrumbing" is the popular term here for info-proliferation. Just because people aren't allowed to claim their roles, it doesn't mean they have to ignore the information they receive. If, for instance, a cop gets a guilty ID on a player they hadn't previously suspected, there's nothing preventing them from launching into a full tirade against that player the next day, or dropping subtle hints here and there. Basically the no-claiming rules make it so information is to be used more personally, and puts the onus on the civilians to be active in the thread and function as a group to solve the game, rather than waiting for power roles to come along.

This is part of the reason why I'm in no hurry to read all of the roles in the setup. It's never that bit of a deal to me early on. I know my role and I know how I want to approach the game as a civilian. That's all I need to get started.

I don't care to comment on how to make use of Felicia at this time. I think the player who has that role can be trusted to use it however they see fit. I don't think it's a bad idea to provide suggestions, though.

Dont think I’ve played a game before where a cop got a perk and didn’t immediately go “y’all this is it we gottem” by outing their role.

Or a game where everyone didnt claim peeks so the cop could easily out their information without outing themselves

This is both interesting and annoying since I do think it minimizes info a bit but site differences

definitely comes across as feigning annoyance

Hmmmm

what's on yer mind?

It feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra’s doing

And I’m not sure if MM has played with Ultra before but it’s kinda shady to dismiss his posts as pregame fluff or NAI

none of his posts were readable
they come from both alignments and are very common posts to make

you may find a read in there but i see it as a stretch

How is it very common to suggest angelshooting a scum lynch before the game truly starts???

quote that post
because i never saw it


either way i was not talking about his entire iso, most posts he has made are like i said
pregame fluff or strategic posts
both of which can and do come from either alignments

i dont know how youre making an argument out of this

There wasnt an argument or a push

Just some shade and thoughts for myself to think about as the game goes on

Also what strategic posts are you talking about if not for the suggestion of outing a cop with a scum peek

blatantly ignores what i asked for them to do

[MafiaMenace]

woops forgot to spoiler my bad

[Dragomir]

But seriously @Sloonei Mata is my top suspect right now. Her iso is crap.

It’s day 0 and people are already isoing?

Has 24 hours even passed?

I'm not, I just literally meant all of her posts of which there were only like 4 at the time lol

While directed at you it is also directly at Sloonei who actually did look at her iso lmao

I’m just really excited to be playing this game, okay?

Ya sound a little too defensive here

[MafiaMenace]

i realise it may look like i did the same thing as point two
but that was entirely unintentional, i was working at the iso at the time while lux just waited

[Sloonei]

But seriously @Sloonei Mata is my top suspect right now. Her iso is crap.

It’s day 0 and people are already isoing?

Has 24 hours even passed?

I'm not, I just literally meant all of her posts of which there were only like 4 at the time lol

While directed at you it is also directly at Sloonei who actually did look at her iso lmao

I’m just really excited to be playing this game, okay?

Ya sound a little too defensive here

What was I being accused of?

[DrWilgy]

Oh man, when Felicia dies, I get to say BYE FELICIA.

Scummi epigtoastis

Gth would Epi enjoy the movie Friday?

No!

[DrWilgy]

Well yeah no I agree with you on that. Maybe this wasn't clear but I suspect him for focusing on mechanics as a reason in itself, not just because of specific things I saw as scummy. Even if I didn't have those little pings (which like you said are pretty circumstantial) I suspect him for the mechanics talk as a general trend.

This seems like potential backed-into-a-corner-word-salad of an explanation

could you elaborate on this in a clear matter

When I originally stated my reason for suspecting MM I said it was because he was focusing on mechanics and that there were parts of that discussion which specifically pinged me. Even disregarding the small specific pings, which both he and Lux dismissed as weak and I concede that they were, I still suspect him for the main reason of generally focusing on mechanics. That make sense?

Okay so then question!

Why is Ultra’s focus on mechanics towny here then? What makes it towny to you?

I never said ultra was towny for the mechanical stuff, he's towny for other reasons

Right! He just smells so good! I agree with Hazlenut Senpai.

[Dragomir]

But seriously @Sloonei Mata is my top suspect right now. Her iso is crap.

It’s day 0 and people are already isoing?

Has 24 hours even passed?

I'm not, I just literally meant all of her posts of which there were only like 4 at the time lol

While directed at you it is also directly at Sloonei who actually did look at her iso lmao

I’m just really excited to be playing this game, okay?

Ya sound a little too defensive here

What was I being accused of?

I don't really care about what you were accused of but how you responded to that post. You sound a bit too panicky and too uncomfortable thus wanting to resolve things quickly in that post. I'm not seeing a town perspective to all that.

[DrWilgy]

It’s day 0 and people are already isoing?

Has 24 hours even passed?

I'm not, I just literally meant all of her posts of which there were only like 4 at the time lol

While directed at you it is also directly at Sloonei who actually did look at her iso lmao

I’m just really excited to be playing this game, okay?

Ya sound a little too defensive here

What was I being accused of?

I don't really care about what you were accused of but how you responded to that post. You sound a bit too panicky and too uncomfortable thus wanting to resolve things quickly in that post. I'm not seeing a town perspective to all that.

I see it and support it. Sloonei for the noose 2019.

[DrWilgy]

Sloonei giving Epi unearned town read. Epi giving Sloonei unearned town read.

Computer says no.

This read is genuine and I like it.

[Sloonei]

It’s day 0 and people are already isoing?

Has 24 hours even passed?

I'm not, I just literally meant all of her posts of which there were only like 4 at the time lol

While directed at you it is also directly at Sloonei who actually did look at her iso lmao

I’m just really excited to be playing this game, okay?

Ya sound a little too defensive here

What was I being accused of?

I don't really care about what you were accused of but how you responded to that post. You sound a bit too panicky and too uncomfortable thus wanting to resolve things quickly in that post. I'm not seeing a town perspective to all that.

I was literally not being accused of anything. Lux was teasing me about doing ISOs on Day 0.

[Dragomir]

I'm not, I just literally meant all of her posts of which there were only like 4 at the time lol

While directed at you it is also directly at Sloonei who actually did look at her iso lmao

I’m just really excited to be playing this game, okay?

Ya sound a little too defensive here

What was I being accused of?

I don't really care about what you were accused of but how you responded to that post. You sound a bit too panicky and too uncomfortable thus wanting to resolve things quickly in that post. I'm not seeing a town perspective to all that.

I see it and support it. Sloonei for the noose 2019.

You serious with this? Cause I'm actually down for it.

[Dragomir]

I'm not, I just literally meant all of her posts of which there were only like 4 at the time lol

While directed at you it is also directly at Sloonei who actually did look at her iso lmao

I’m just really excited to be playing this game, okay?

Ya sound a little too defensive here

What was I being accused of?

I don't really care about what you were accused of but how you responded to that post. You sound a bit too panicky and too uncomfortable thus wanting to resolve things quickly in that post. I'm not seeing a town perspective to all that.

I was literally not being accused of anything. Lux was teasing me about doing ISOs on Day 0.

Why you keep bringing up yourself not being accused? I told ya, I don't care about that.

[Long Con]

Why can't I set 100 posts per page?

You should be able to, but I was curious and started clicking around in my own UCP and it doesn't seem like the posts-per-page function is working at all. No matter what number I set it to, it stays at 50. I'll get to the bottom of this or die trying, you have my word.

here lies sloonei, cause of death: phpbb fuckery

"Which I can relate to." - diarmyhowley (I think it was him anyway...)

LOL yes... and I can still picture the Ben-crying Hed that it went on to become...