Arrowverse Mafia - Day 8

[Sloonei]

It’s hard for me to imagine making lists so early. I tried to make one today, but after rereading the game, and some ISOs, I don’t feel like I have much of an opinion on anyone. I can’t clear anyone, but there are a few that I don’t feel great about.

Dragomir, seems like he changes his mind too easily and it might not be a bad thing (like being blendy and trying to stay on people’s good side) but it still caught my attention.

Sloonei, I would like to trust him but all the pushing for info from people, the gth on day 0, seems tailor made for helping mafia. Talk is great, it helps to be able to look back at it later in the game, and that helps town. But I’ve never seen anyone keep at it like Sloonei.

Nutella, is not playing the same as the last two games I played with her. She was town in those games, and she seems a lot less pulled together so far.

I can’t say that any of them would get a vote from me. Not yet. Basically, I’m still observing people.

Tons of linki

Talk to me some more about nutella. What specifically seems different? Can you point to any posts in particular that stand out to you?

[Ultra]

What do you think makes him mafia

If I were Epignosis, I would say, "His role card makes him mafia." But I'm Long Con.

I believe he would say such a thing, as mafia, in order to get the reaction that you had, that he had a "mindset slip". That is the level of craftiness I expect from Mac.

I have never said that in my life.

What that's a classic Epi response what are you talking

Someone else says that. I forget who, but it isn't me.

Quickly, answer this

What color is this dress

Banal.

Answer.

[Epignosis]

If I were Epignosis, I would say, "His role card makes him mafia." But I'm Long Con.

I believe he would say such a thing, as mafia, in order to get the reaction that you had, that he had a "mindset slip". That is the level of craftiness I expect from Mac.

I have never said that in my life.

What that's a classic Epi response what are you talking

Someone else says that. I forget who, but it isn't me.

Quickly, answer this

What color is this dress

Banal.

Answer.

Yanny.

[Sloonei]

Day 1 is the new Day 0.

[Ultra]

I have never said that in my life.

What that's a classic Epi response what are you talking

Someone else says that. I forget who, but it isn't me.

Quickly, answer this

What color is this dress

Banal.

Answer.

Yanny.

I'll have your head in due time

[Matahari]

It’s hard for me to imagine making lists so early. I tried to make one today, but after rereading the game, and some ISOs, I don’t feel like I have much of an opinion on anyone. I can’t clear anyone, but there are a few that I don’t feel great about.

Dragomir, seems like he changes his mind too easily and it might not be a bad thing (like being blendy and trying to stay on people’s good side) but it still caught my attention.

Sloonei, I would like to trust him but all the pushing for info from people, the gth on day 0, seems tailor made for helping mafia. Talk is great, it helps to be able to look back at it later in the game, and that helps town. But I’ve never seen anyone keep at it like Sloonei.

Nutella, is not playing the same as the last two games I played with her. She was town in those games, and she seems a lot less pulled together so far.

I can’t say that any of them would get a vote from me. Not yet. Basically, I’m still observing people.

Tons of linki

Talk to me some more about nutella. What specifically seems different? Can you point to any posts in particular that stand out to you?

In the last two games, Nutella had confidence. The kind that seems like normal Nutella, who will say anything, whether you like it or not. Also, the kind of confidence that only a civ has. For reference, Gossip Girl and Steely Dan mafia

I’m not seeing it here. She’s not bold, rude, in your face, or any of the normal Nutella. I can’t fault her for not picking people’s posts apart and challenging them, because really, the posting hasn’t been especially suspicious, but I think she would be challenging more if she were civ. She seems like she’s holding back. That’s the best way I can explain it. That is going by old skool ‘feels’ and probably not helpful to newer mafia players.
I wouldn’t swear I’m right, but it’s enough that she’s on my watchlist.

[Dragomir]

Are you trying to say that because the suggestion makes no sense and I thought your iso made no sense?

No.

Part of your accusation against me was that I accused nutella to try to impress others/make myself look good/potentially establish myself as "deepwolf", if I am understanding you correctly. These are your words.

Then MafiaMenace suggests the possibility of another player being "deepwolf", and these are your words:

Deepwolf in D0 already?

You seemed to be accusing me of deepwolfing on Day 0, but then you cast doubt on MafiaMenace for suggesting the possibility of the same characteristics in a different player.

Yes you were trying to establish yourself as a deepwolf but I just don't believe someone can become one D0. Becoming one requires multiple DPs of powerwolfing, this DP was just one of those for you. Someone powerwolfing in order to become a deepwolf D0 is different from someone being a deepwolf outright in D0 and the latter is what I don't believe.

[Epignosis]

Are you trying to say that because the suggestion makes no sense and I thought your iso made no sense?

No.

Part of your accusation against me was that I accused nutella to try to impress others/make myself look good/potentially establish myself as "deepwolf", if I am understanding you correctly. These are your words.

Then MafiaMenace suggests the possibility of another player being "deepwolf", and these are your words:

Deepwolf in D0 already?

You seemed to be accusing me of deepwolfing on Day 0, but then you cast doubt on MafiaMenace for suggesting the possibility of the same characteristics in a different player.

Yes you were trying to establish yourself as a deepwolf but I just don't believe someone can become one D0. Becoming one requires multiple DPs of powerwolfing, this DP was just one of those for you. Someone powerwolfing in order to become a deepwolf D0 is different from someone being a deepwolf outright in D0 and the latter is what I don't believe.

Or, you know, Sloonei is a civilian.

[Epignosis]

I have a wonderful advantage in this setup that I don't much get to enjoy anymore:

Regardless of of Sloonei's alignment, somebody I'm not friends with is going to be scared.

I like that.

[sprityo]

I have a wonderful advantage in this setup that I don't much get to enjoy anymore:

Regardless of of Sloonei's alignment, somebody I'm not friends with is going to be scared.

I like that.

[Dragomir]

Are you trying to say that because the suggestion makes no sense and I thought your iso made no sense?

No.

Part of your accusation against me was that I accused nutella to try to impress others/make myself look good/potentially establish myself as "deepwolf", if I am understanding you correctly. These are your words.

Then MafiaMenace suggests the possibility of another player being "deepwolf", and these are your words:

Deepwolf in D0 already?

You seemed to be accusing me of deepwolfing on Day 0, but then you cast doubt on MafiaMenace for suggesting the possibility of the same characteristics in a different player.

Yes you were trying to establish yourself as a deepwolf but I just don't believe someone can become one D0. Becoming one requires multiple DPs of powerwolfing, this DP was just one of those for you. Someone powerwolfing in order to become a deepwolf D0 is different from someone being a deepwolf outright in D0 and the latter is what I don't believe.

Or, you know, Sloonei is a civilian.

Or, you know, he's not.

[Epignosis]

I don't see you voting for him.

[Sloonei]

Are you trying to say that because the suggestion makes no sense and I thought your iso made no sense?

No.

Part of your accusation against me was that I accused nutella to try to impress others/make myself look good/potentially establish myself as "deepwolf", if I am understanding you correctly. These are your words.

Then MafiaMenace suggests the possibility of another player being "deepwolf", and these are your words:

Deepwolf in D0 already?

You seemed to be accusing me of deepwolfing on Day 0, but then you cast doubt on MafiaMenace for suggesting the possibility of the same characteristics in a different player.

Yes you were trying to establish yourself as a deepwolf but I just don't believe someone can become one D0. Becoming one requires multiple DPs of powerwolfing, this DP was just one of those for you. Someone powerwolfing in order to become a deepwolf D0 is different from someone being a deepwolf outright in D0 and the latter is what I don't believe.

Or, you know, Sloonei is a civilian.

Or, you know, he's not.

You’re making the same mistakes as last game.

[Epignosis]

How do you know he's making mistakes?

[Sloonei]

How do you know he's making mistakes?

Benefit of doubt

[Sloonei]

I am concerned that Dragomir chose not to answer my most recent question for him.

[Epignosis]

Your opinion on juliets dear Sloonei, if you please.

[Sloonei]

Your opinion on juliets dear Sloonei, if you please.

I haven’t looked at her closely yet. Her response to your suspicion was unconvincing, and in that she kind of copped to the accusation. So I’m open to her as a suspect, but I’d like to see what she does the next time she’s here.

[Epignosis]

Jack's vote for nutella looks like horseshit to me.

[Sloonei]

Jack's vote for nutella looks like horseshit to me.

Why?

And what are your thoughts on nutella?

[Epignosis]

Jack's vote for nutella looks like horseshit to me.

Why?

And what are your thoughts on nutella?

You would do better asking Jack why he voted nutella.

I don't suspect nutella. My policy is to leave her alone until I have reason not to.

[Sloonei]

I think I know why jack is on nutella, but some elaboration from him would be nice.
[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]

[Dragomir]

Are you trying to say that because the suggestion makes no sense and I thought your iso made no sense?

No.

Part of your accusation against me was that I accused nutella to try to impress others/make myself look good/potentially establish myself as "deepwolf", if I am understanding you correctly. These are your words.

Then MafiaMenace suggests the possibility of another player being "deepwolf", and these are your words:

Deepwolf in D0 already?

You seemed to be accusing me of deepwolfing on Day 0, but then you cast doubt on MafiaMenace for suggesting the possibility of the same characteristics in a different player.

Yes you were trying to establish yourself as a deepwolf but I just don't believe someone can become one D0. Becoming one requires multiple DPs of powerwolfing, this DP was just one of those for you. Someone powerwolfing in order to become a deepwolf D0 is different from someone being a deepwolf outright in D0 and the latter is what I don't believe.

Or, you know, Sloonei is a civilian.

Or, you know, he's not.

You’re making the same mistakes as last game.

Really? Am I making an absurd and relentless tunnel against you? No. Am I making a hard push for you, trying to convince everyone that you're scum? No. Am I being relaxed about my scum reads and not making a big deal out of them? Yes. Was I in the last game? No. Am I being super confident in my scum reads? No(unless you want to consider just thinking that you're scum as super confident).

So tell me again about how I'm making the same mistakes as the previous game.

Also, do you just like to discredit someone's thoughts on you by bringing up a past game? I mean sure, it'd make sense if the player is playing as bad as the did in the previous game and they're not changing but that's not me here. I'm not playing as close as to how I was last game in terms of aggressiveness with my reads. I'm just scum reading and I'm being pretty soft about it unlike last game where I was super strong in my reads.

[Epignosis]

I'm amazed at the number of people who want to give me shit but don't want to vote for me.

[Dragomir]

I am concerned that Dragomir chose not to answer my most recent question for him.

What question?

[Dragomir]

I'm amazed at the number of people who want to give me shit but don't want to vote for me.

Maybe because D1 started only 40 mins ago and those who were giving you shit were doing it in D0 where you can't vote?

[Epignosis]

I'm amazed at the number of people who want to give me shit but don't want to vote for me.

Maybe because D1 started only 40 mins ago and those who were giving you shit were doing it in D0 where you can't vote?

No excuse.

[Sloonei]

Are you trying to say that because the suggestion makes no sense and I thought your iso made no sense?

No.

Part of your accusation against me was that I accused nutella to try to impress others/make myself look good/potentially establish myself as "deepwolf", if I am understanding you correctly. These are your words.

Then MafiaMenace suggests the possibility of another player being "deepwolf", and these are your words:

Deepwolf in D0 already?

You seemed to be accusing me of deepwolfing on Day 0, but then you cast doubt on MafiaMenace for suggesting the possibility of the same characteristics in a different player.

Yes you were trying to establish yourself as a deepwolf but I just don't believe someone can become one D0. Becoming one requires multiple DPs of powerwolfing, this DP was just one of those for you. Someone powerwolfing in order to become a deepwolf D0 is different from someone being a deepwolf outright in D0 and the latter is what I don't believe.

Or, you know, Sloonei is a civilian.

Or, you know, he's not.

You’re making the same mistakes as last game.

Really? Am I making an absurd and relentless tunnel against you? No. Am I making a hard push for you, trying to convince everyone that you're scum? No. Am I being relaxed about my scum reads and not making a big deal out of them? Yes. Was I in the last game? No. Am I being super confident in my scum reads? No(unless you want to consider just thinking that you're scum as super confident).

So tell me again about how I'm making the same mistakes as the previous game.

Also, do you just like to discredit someone's thoughts on you by bringing up a past game? I mean sure, it'd make sense if the player is playing as bad as the did in the previous game and they're not changing but that's not me here. I'm not playing as close as to how I was last game in terms of aggressiveness with my reads. I'm just scum reading and I'm being pretty soft about it unlike last game where I was super strong in my reads.

You are leaping to conclusions about me without seeming to consider alternatives or looking at the full picture. You’re in the beginning stages of a tunnel.

I am discrediting you because you are suspecting me. I’ve responded to every point you’ve expressed against me and you’ve just come back with additional points or refused to budge. I’m telling you that you’re wrong after having addressed every other point. You are wrong about me. Please at least entertain me and pretend that I’m town.

[Sloonei]

I am concerned that Dragomir chose not to answer my most recent question for him.

What question?

What did you like about my nutella ISO before you changed your mind.

[Epignosis]

Another beer or go to sleep?

Vote quickly.

[Sloonei]

Another beer or go to sleep?

Vote quickly.

A warm glass of milk

[Epignosis]

I'm going to bed.

[Dragomir]

No.

Part of your accusation against me was that I accused nutella to try to impress others/make myself look good/potentially establish myself as "deepwolf", if I am understanding you correctly. These are your words.

Then MafiaMenace suggests the possibility of another player being "deepwolf", and these are your words:


You seemed to be accusing me of deepwolfing on Day 0, but then you cast doubt on MafiaMenace for suggesting the possibility of the same characteristics in a different player.

Yes you were trying to establish yourself as a deepwolf but I just don't believe someone can become one D0. Becoming one requires multiple DPs of powerwolfing, this DP was just one of those for you. Someone powerwolfing in order to become a deepwolf D0 is different from someone being a deepwolf outright in D0 and the latter is what I don't believe.

Or, you know, Sloonei is a civilian.

Or, you know, he's not.

You’re making the same mistakes as last game.

Really? Am I making an absurd and relentless tunnel against you? No. Am I making a hard push for you, trying to convince everyone that you're scum? No. Am I being relaxed about my scum reads and not making a big deal out of them? Yes. Was I in the last game? No. Am I being super confident in my scum reads? No(unless you want to consider just thinking that you're scum as super confident).

So tell me again about how I'm making the same mistakes as the previous game.

Also, do you just like to discredit someone's thoughts on you by bringing up a past game? I mean sure, it'd make sense if the player is playing as bad as the did in the previous game and they're not changing but that's not me here. I'm not playing as close as to how I was last game in terms of aggressiveness with my reads. I'm just scum reading and I'm being pretty soft about it unlike last game where I was super strong in my reads.

You are leaping to conclusions about me without seeming to consider alternatives or looking at the full picture. You’re in the beginning stages of a tunnel.

I am discrediting you because you are suspecting me. I’ve responded to every point you’ve expressed against me and you’ve just come back with additional points or refused to budge. I’m telling you that you’re wrong after having addressed every other point. You are wrong about me. Please at least entertain me and pretend that I’m town.

Yeah, I did do that when I first suspected you but after my interactions with you, my scum read dissipated and became a null read. That was until I tackled your iso and I don't see any leaping to conclusions there.

I did that to our interactions prior to me tackling your iso but after those interactions I wasn't scum reading you anymore.

I've already tried pretending that you're town which was when we were talking about the Felicia peek and random questioning stuff. Thus, I ended up losing the scum read on you which turned into null.

You're acting like I've been carrying my suspicion from earlier to now.

[DrWilgy]

Please dont lick me I’m allergic

*puts arm over Lux's shoulder and leans in real close*

*in a whisper*

At least one of us has to be licked... You tell me who...

It’s gonna be you but by a police dog

This makes me very happy. Blessai.

[Dragomir]

I am concerned that Dragomir chose not to answer my most recent question for him.

What question?

What did you like about my nutella ISO before you changed your mind.

I already said what it was when I tackled the ISO.

[Dragomir]

Start of Day 1 rainbow list:

Ultra
Macdougall/color]
MafiaMenace
sabie
Jackofhearts
Epignosis
Dragomir
nutella
Creature
Dragon D Luffy
Long Con
speedchuck
juliets
Matahari
sprityo
Spacedaisy
Cooler
DrWilgy
Luxurious

[VOTE: Luxurious] aubergine

Why the Luxy scum read?

[Sloonei]

I am concerned that Dragomir chose not to answer my most recent question for him.

What question?

What did you like about my nutella ISO before you changed your mind.

I already said what it was when I tackled the ISO.

Humor me and state it again.

[Sloonei]

Start of Day 1 rainbow list:

Ultra
Macdougall
MafiaMenace
sabie
Jackofhearts
Epignosis
Dragomir
nutella
Creature
Dragon D Luffy
Long Con
speedchuck
juliets
Matahari
sprityo
Spacedaisy
Cooler
DrWilgy
Luxurious

[VOTE: Luxurious] aubergine

Why the Luxy scum read?

I've been waiting 3 hours for someone to ask that!
stand by.

[Sloonei]

"Why Lux?"

Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

at first glance cult looks pretty harmless early game, in my personal opinion it should be spent on someone like deathstroke, it brings down the average kpn from 2.5 (i assume) down to 1.5

i dont see any posts of ultra that would let me make a read as they are all pregame fluff which happens or strategic thinking which comes from both alignments

Hmmmm

what's on yer mind?

It feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra’s doing

And I’m not sure if MM has played with Ultra before but it’s kinda shady to dismiss his posts as pregame fluff or NAI

I don't feel good about this post. I don't agree with the sentiment of the first line, nor do I feel like that behavior would been to be qualified as suspicious. I also do not see why Lux is suspecting MafiaMenace for not committing to a read on Ultra right away. Lux has not playing with MafiaMenace, to my knowledge. This whole post feels like a reach for suspicion.
Moving on.

Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +

Interesting idea but that would not only out them and give scum a target

But wouldnt it be better to hold off using that until late game where there’ll be more information regarding player alignment?

I mean the felicity player's peak is a one shot, and can ascertain the identity of any player role in the game, so I think it's a no brainer that it would be used straight away

I mean sure if you wanna get a scum right from the start and not give them any chance to out their teammates

But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently

This feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra's doing.

And the bottom line has already been called into question by Ultra. I'm intrigued by that slip, but unable to do anything decisive with it. An explanation exists. It does nothing for me.

I have substantiated a gripe that I have with a Speedchuck post on Day 0. It exists to bolster the conversation in the thread.

Speedchuck gave an indecisive wave of the hand. I'd like him to tell us what it means, and I'd like other people to comment on it.

Why does your response exist?

I don't feel strongly about it either way. It's something I can easily imagine myself saying as well, as a general impulse to sort out what I'm thinking about people who have been active in the thread so far.

I’m mindmelding with this

This post bothers me for reasons that are difficult to articulate. nutella essentially just says that she is capable of seeing two sides of an argument, and that warrants a "mindmeld" comment from Lux. I dunno, I guess I'm just used to seeing "mindmeld" reserved for strong, drawn out cases, not basic gameplay. Feels like a reach to establish a bond with nutella. This comes back later in a post I've already highlighted. Time for me to share my own thoughts on it:

Spoiler: show

Well yeah no I agree with you on that. Maybe this wasn't clear but I suspect him for focusing on mechanics as a reason in itself, not just because of specific things I saw as scummy. Even if I didn't have those little pings (which like you said are pretty circumstantial) I suspect him for the mechanics talk as a general trend.

This seems like potential backed-into-a-corner-word-salad of an explanation

could you elaborate on this in a clear matter

When I originally stated my reason for suspecting MM I said it was because he was focusing on mechanics and that there were parts of that discussion which specifically pinged me. Even disregarding the small specific pings, which both he and Lux dismissed as weak and I concede that they were, I still suspect him for the main reason of generally focusing on mechanics. That make sense?

Serenade me with your take on why his focus on mechanics is suspicious

and what your other small pings were

It's an easy thing to talk about that isn't developing reads on other players. It's a way for scum to look productive in the thread without actually driving the scumhunting process.

Already discussed the other pings and they were shot down. Still have a hunch though.

This mindmeld is the only thing convincing me that you have potential to be town
[/quote]
Again, the point which is being "mindmelded" over does not feel particularly strong or meaningful, which makes me feel like it's insincere. And I also do not like it when players dangle suspicion like this. "I would suspect you, but..."
If you are going to say that, you should attach the reasons you have for considering the person a suspect. I don't see Lux doing that anywhere. I see a lot of softball questions for people, but I don't see a really compelling chain of thoughts anywhere in Lux's ISO. And I see this read on nutella that looks very fake.

If Day 1 started right now my vote would be on nutella.

Your suspicions are gravitating around people focusing too much on mechanics and I don’t see you as a driving force in the thread. You’re reacting rather than creating. It feels safe.

Sloonei treating day 0 like a super extension on day 1 is like good

But I think this is a bit early of a jump

I can see this coming from an anxious town or a trigger happy scum.

Since y’all apparently bus like there’s no tomorrow here, I’m leaning scum

Another thing I hate is this. Nowhere in this post does Lux attach any of my behavior to bussing. She observes that I am being very active. She then makes the leap from "Sloonei is active" to "People on the Syndicate like to bus", and somehow puts these two pieces together to create a suspicion against me. She would later elaborate that it was "an associative read" between nutella and I, but I do not see why that is the conclusion she is drawing. All Lux has said about me is that I'm extremely active and therefore suspicious. Bogus.

tl;dr: Lux was on fire in the scrimmage. She was the town MVP. This is a limp start, and I don't see threads connecting her thoughts. Her reads feel arbitrary and baseless.

[Dragomir]

I am concerned that Dragomir chose not to answer my most recent question for him.

What question?

What did you like about my nutella ISO before you changed your mind.

I already said what it was when I tackled the ISO.

Humor me and state it again.

Only part of his post where he actually starts making sense imo. I can get how Mata falls into a low-hanging fruit category and the MafiaMenace part. But that last sentenced, the bolded I don't understand. @Sloonei what do you mean by that? So this is basically the only part of the post that I like, and it's pretty meh.

[Sloonei]

You also said this:

I first I thought he made valid statements, but thinking about it now, I was rather fooled by his in-depth analysis. Now reading back on it, half of what he said doesn't make any sense.

"Valid statements" is plural, and this whole sentence suggests that you read the whole thing once and liked it, then changed your mind later. Is that the case, or did you just like a single point that I made?

[Dragomir]

"Why Lux?"

Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

at first glance cult looks pretty harmless early game, in my personal opinion it should be spent on someone like deathstroke, it brings down the average kpn from 2.5 (i assume) down to 1.5

i dont see any posts of ultra that would let me make a read as they are all pregame fluff which happens or strategic thinking which comes from both alignments

Hmmmm

what's on yer mind?

It feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra’s doing

And I’m not sure if MM has played with Ultra before but it’s kinda shady to dismiss his posts as pregame fluff or NAI

I don't feel good about this post. I don't agree with the sentiment of the first line, nor do I feel like that behavior would been to be qualified as suspicious. I also do not see why Lux is suspecting MafiaMenace for not committing to a read on Ultra right away. Lux has not playing with MafiaMenace, to my knowledge. This whole post feels like a reach for suspicion.
Moving on.

Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +

Interesting idea but that would not only out them and give scum a target

But wouldnt it be better to hold off using that until late game where there’ll be more information regarding player alignment?

I mean the felicity player's peak is a one shot, and can ascertain the identity of any player role in the game, so I think it's a no brainer that it would be used straight away

I mean sure if you wanna get a scum right from the start and not give them any chance to out their teammates

But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently

This feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra's doing.

And the bottom line has already been called into question by Ultra. I'm intrigued by that slip, but unable to do anything decisive with it. An explanation exists. It does nothing for me.

I have substantiated a gripe that I have with a Speedchuck post on Day 0. It exists to bolster the conversation in the thread.

Speedchuck gave an indecisive wave of the hand. I'd like him to tell us what it means, and I'd like other people to comment on it.

Why does your response exist?

I don't feel strongly about it either way. It's something I can easily imagine myself saying as well, as a general impulse to sort out what I'm thinking about people who have been active in the thread so far.

I’m mindmelding with this

This post bothers me for reasons that are difficult to articulate. nutella essentially just says that she is capable of seeing two sides of an argument, and that warrants a "mindmeld" comment from Lux. I dunno, I guess I'm just used to seeing "mindmeld" reserved for strong, drawn out cases, not basic gameplay. Feels like a reach to establish a bond with nutella. This comes back later in a post I've already highlighted. Time for me to share my own thoughts on it:

Spoiler: show

Well yeah no I agree with you on that. Maybe this wasn't clear but I suspect him for focusing on mechanics as a reason in itself, not just because of specific things I saw as scummy. Even if I didn't have those little pings (which like you said are pretty circumstantial) I suspect him for the mechanics talk as a general trend.

This seems like potential backed-into-a-corner-word-salad of an explanation

could you elaborate on this in a clear matter

When I originally stated my reason for suspecting MM I said it was because he was focusing on mechanics and that there were parts of that discussion which specifically pinged me. Even disregarding the small specific pings, which both he and Lux dismissed as weak and I concede that they were, I still suspect him for the main reason of generally focusing on mechanics. That make sense?

Serenade me with your take on why his focus on mechanics is suspicious

and what your other small pings were

It's an easy thing to talk about that isn't developing reads on other players. It's a way for scum to look productive in the thread without actually driving the scumhunting process.

Already discussed the other pings and they were shot down. Still have a hunch though.

This mindmeld is the only thing convincing me that you have potential to be town

Again, the point which is being "mindmelded" over does not feel particularly strong or meaningful, which makes me feel like it's insincere. And I also do not like it when players dangle suspicion like this. "I would suspect you, but..."
If you are going to say that, you should attach the reasons you have for considering the person a suspect. I don't see Lux doing that anywhere. I see a lot of softball questions for people, but I don't see a really compelling chain of thoughts anywhere in Lux's ISO. And I see this read on nutella that looks very fake.

If Day 1 started right now my vote would be on nutella.

Your suspicions are gravitating around people focusing too much on mechanics and I don’t see you as a driving force in the thread. You’re reacting rather than creating. It feels safe.

Sloonei treating day 0 like a super extension on day 1 is like good

But I think this is a bit early of a jump

I can see this coming from an anxious town or a trigger happy scum.

Since y’all apparently bus like there’s no tomorrow here, I’m leaning scum

Another thing I hate is this. Nowhere in this post does Lux attach any of my behavior to bussing. She observes that I am being very active. She then makes the leap from "Sloonei is active" to "People on the Syndicate like to bus", and somehow puts these two pieces together to create a suspicion against me. She would later elaborate that it was "an associative read" between nutella and I, but I do not see why that is the conclusion she is drawing. All Lux has said about me is that I'm extremely active and therefore suspicious. Bogus.

tl;dr: Lux was on fire in the scrimmage. She was the town MVP. This is a limp start, and I don't see threads connecting her thoughts. Her reads feel arbitrary and baseless.
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This is a good post. I like it. About the slip, I'm more inclined to believe it's a scum slip rather a town one as if it was the latter, one would have to say that she just didn't properly read the role sheets or completely missed the posts where ppl talked about things being a multiball. I just don't really think it makes much sense coming from that of a townie.

[Sloonei]

Every time I make a multi-quote post at Dragomir's request, I screw up the formatting.

[Dragomir]

You also said this:

I first I thought he made valid statements, but thinking about it now, I was rather fooled by his in-depth analysis. Now reading back on it, half of what he said doesn't make any sense.

"Valid statements" is plural, and this whole sentence suggests that you read the whole thing once and liked it, then changed your mind later. Is that the case, or did you just like a single point that I made?

It is the former. I didn't really analyze your iso properly and just assumed the things you said sounded right from a surface level look. Then I looked under the tip of the iceberg and changed my mind.

[Dragomir]

Every time I make a multi-quote post at Dragomir's request, I screw up the formatting.

Edit the post to fix it. You're a mod no?

[Dragomir]

Every time I make a multi-quote post at Dragomir's request, I screw up the formatting.

Edit the post to fix it. You're a mod no?

[Sloonei]

Every time I make a multi-quote post at Dragomir's request, I screw up the formatting.

Edit the post to fix it. You're a mod no?

Yeah, but editing posts in-game is against the rules.

[Sloonei]

You also said this:

I first I thought he made valid statements, but thinking about it now, I was rather fooled by his in-depth analysis. Now reading back on it, half of what he said doesn't make any sense.

"Valid statements" is plural, and this whole sentence suggests that you read the whole thing once and liked it, then changed your mind later. Is that the case, or did you just like a single point that I made?

It is the former. I didn't really analyze your iso properly and just assumed the things you said sounded right from a surface level look. Then I looked under the tip of the iceberg and changed my mind.

Fair deal.

[Sloonei]

What's the best point in my Lux case?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Every time I make a multi-quote post at Dragomir's request, I screw up the formatting.

Edit the post to fix it. You're a mod no?

But then how would we catch Sloonei with the messed up the formatting scumtell?