Arrowverse Mafia - Day 8

[Sloonei]

I think nutella is town too.

Why?

She's been unnecessarily sticking out her neck too much.

Who isn’t?

Anyone I haven't called town yet (not counting my very early reads).

Refresh me on who you’ve called town.

[Creature]

I've called Ultra town pretty early, but still am fine to call him town.

I have you as town too.

Mac I can see the townreads on.

was mostly sadie I didn't know about on juliets' list.

[Sloonei]

I've called Ultra town pretty early, but still am fine to call him town.

I have you as town too.

Mac I can see the townreads on.

was mostly sadie I didn't know about on juliets' list.

What are your thoughts on Jack and Epignosis?

[Creature]

I've called Ultra town pretty early, but still am fine to call him town.

I have you as town too.

Mac I can see the townreads on.

was mostly sadie I didn't know about on juliets' list.

What are your thoughts on Jack and Epignosis?

My experience with Jack makes me townlean him, but that's for doing absolutely nothing.

Epignosis idk. I don't remember liking his latest posts either.

[Sloonei]

I've called Ultra town pretty early, but still am fine to call him town.

I have you as town too.

Mac I can see the townreads on.

was mostly sadie I didn't know about on juliets' list.

What are your thoughts on Jack and Epignosis?

My experience with Jack makes me townlean him, but that's for doing absolutely nothing.

Epignosis idk. I don't remember liking his latest posts either.

Would you be able to look at his posts and identify what you didn’t like about them?

[Creature]

I've called Ultra town pretty early, but still am fine to call him town.

I have you as town too.

Mac I can see the townreads on.

was mostly sadie I didn't know about on juliets' list.

What are your thoughts on Jack and Epignosis?

My experience with Jack makes me townlean him, but that's for doing absolutely nothing.

Epignosis idk. I don't remember liking his latest posts either.

Would you be able to look at his posts and identify what you didn’t like about them?

I mean that his posts don't seem to catch my attention in a towny way, rather they keep looking like something scum could easily do.

[Sloonei]

I've called Ultra town pretty early, but still am fine to call him town.

I have you as town too.

Mac I can see the townreads on.

was mostly sadie I didn't know about on juliets' list.

What are your thoughts on Jack and Epignosis?

My experience with Jack makes me townlean him, but that's for doing absolutely nothing.

Epignosis idk. I don't remember liking his latest posts either.

Would you be able to look at his posts and identify what you didn’t like about them?

I mean that his posts don't seem to catch my attention in a towny way, rather they keep looking like something scum could easily do.

What is he doing that “scum could easily do”? Cite your sources.

[Creature]

I've called Ultra town pretty early, but still am fine to call him town.

I have you as town too.

Mac I can see the townreads on.

was mostly sadie I didn't know about on juliets' list.

What are your thoughts on Jack and Epignosis?

My experience with Jack makes me townlean him, but that's for doing absolutely nothing.

Epignosis idk. I don't remember liking his latest posts either.

Would you be able to look at his posts and identify what you didn’t like about them?

I mean that his posts don't seem to catch my attention in a towny way, rather they keep looking like something scum could easily do.

What is he doing that “scum could easily do”? Cite your sources.

It's mostly "if you were scum, what would you rather do?" and see from that perspective.

[Cooler]

Sorry all, been a pretty manic weekend.

Can anyone catch me up?

I'll try and pay more attention from here on out.

[Epignosis]

I've called Ultra town pretty early, but still am fine to call him town.

I have you as town too.

Mac I can see the townreads on.

was mostly sadie I didn't know about on juliets' list.

What are your thoughts on Jack and Epignosis?

My experience with Jack makes me townlean him, but that's for doing absolutely nothing.

Epignosis idk. I don't remember liking his latest posts either.

Would you be able to look at his posts and identify what you didn’t like about them?

I mean that his posts don't seem to catch my attention in a towny way, rather they keep looking like something scum could easily do.

What is he doing that “scum could easily do”? Cite your sources.

It's mostly "if you were scum, what would you rather do?" and see from that perspective.

I don't understand what this means.

[Sloonei]

I’m on my way to canada land now, so i’ll be quietish the rest of the phase

[Dragomir]

Or, you know, Sloonei is a civilian.

Or, you know, he's not.

You’re making the same mistakes as last game.

Really? Am I making an absurd and relentless tunnel against you? No. Am I making a hard push for you, trying to convince everyone that you're scum? No. Am I being relaxed about my scum reads and not making a big deal out of them? Yes. Was I in the last game? No. Am I being super confident in my scum reads? No(unless you want to consider just thinking that you're scum as super confident).

So tell me again about how I'm making the same mistakes as the previous game.

Also, do you just like to discredit someone's thoughts on you by bringing up a past game? I mean sure, it'd make sense if the player is playing as bad as the did in the previous game and they're not changing but that's not me here. I'm not playing as close as to how I was last game in terms of aggressiveness with my reads. I'm just scum reading and I'm being pretty soft about it unlike last game where I was super strong in my reads.

You are leaping to conclusions about me without seeming to consider alternatives or looking at the full picture. You’re in the beginning stages of a tunnel.

I am discrediting you because you are suspecting me. I’ve responded to every point you’ve expressed against me and you’ve just come back with additional points or refused to budge. I’m telling you that you’re wrong after having addressed every other point. You are wrong about me. Please at least entertain me and pretend that I’m town.

Yeah, I did do that when I first suspected you but after my interactions with you, my scum read dissipated and became a null read. That was until I tackled your iso and I don't see any leaping to conclusions there.

I did that to our interactions prior to me tackling your iso but after those interactions I wasn't scum reading you anymore.

I've already tried pretending that you're town which was when we were talking about the Felicia peek and random questioning stuff. Thus, I ended up losing the scum read on you which turned into null.

You're acting like I've been carrying my suspicion from earlier to now.

Drago, I am not understanding what you are saying here. When I read the words it seems like you are no longer reading sloonei as scum sloonei. Am I correct in my read?

Before I tackled his iso, breaking it down, I was no longer scum reading Sloonei, but after that I was.

[MacDougall]

I want to lynch Dragomir, nutella or Epignosis

[Long Con]

I switched my vote. [VOTE: Luxurious] aubergine.

[MacDougall]

What is the case against Luxurious?

[DrWilgy]

#goodolsloonlynchintime

What else you got, doctor?

That's about it. Mac is good.

What have I done to make you think I’m bad?

Gut feeling sloonbug.

wilgy bad

What makes me bad here sloonbug? There's only appropriate response.

[Epignosis]

I agree with Sloonei. I looked at Lux's posts myself and can't find a civilian purpose for most of them. Voting Lux.

[Sloonei]

#goodolsloonlynchintime

What else you got, doctor?

That's about it. Mac is good.

What have I done to make you think I’m bad?

Gut feeling sloonbug.

wilgy bad

What makes me bad here sloonbug? There's only appropriate response.

Lack of effort

[Sloonei]

What is the case against Luxurious?

This

Please excuse the author’s sloppy formatting.

[Sloonei]

What are the exact reasons have for suspecting Dragomir? All the concerns I’ve seen so far strike me more as clash of playstyle than suspicious behavior.

[DrWilgy]

What makes me bad here sloonbug? There's only appropriate response.

Lack of effort

Wrong answer cutie.

[juliets]

Town leaning:
Ultra
Sloonei
Sable
Mac

I don't remember sabie doing anything. Why is he/she a townread?

sabie looks like the civ sabie I have seen in multiple other games. She seems genuine and authentic, just as I have seen her before. She also went a little further in the beginning of this game giving Sloonei reads even though she had previously agreed with Mata that things don't usually come together for her until we are a couple of days into the game. Her style is earnest, and she doesn't pop into the thread as much as some of the rest of us. My read of her is highly dependent on meta which I know doesn't help you much. She may not be at the sophistication level you see at your other sites but if I had to pick the person I'm the most sure about right now being civ I would pick her.

[Epignosis]

Town leaning:
Ultra
Sloonei
Sable
Mac

I don't remember sabie doing anything. Why is he/she a townread?

sabie looks like the civ sabie I have seen in multiple other games. She seems genuine and authentic, just as I have seen her before. She also went a little further in the beginning of this game giving Sloonei reads even though she had previously agreed with Mata that things don't usually come together for her until we are a couple of days into the game. Her style is earnest, and she doesn't pop into the thread as much as some of the rest of us. My read of her is highly dependent on meta which I know doesn't help you much. She may not be at the sophistication level you see at your other sites but if I had to pick the person I'm the most sure about right now being civ I would pick her.

I agree with this.

[Sloonei]

Sorry all, been a pretty manic weekend.

Can anyone catch me up?

I'll try and pay more attention from here on out.

I’d start by just concentrating on the major cases. Lux, me, nutella, and dragomir have had the most attention so far.

[Luxurious]

juliets is not peppering the thread with meaningful questions. She's asking easy questions and remaining disengaged mostly.

I dont see how that’s any different than what MM was doing

juliets has a very simple profile and I don't know MafiaMenace (I refuse to call him MM).

That’s fine MM is just easier because I’m lazy and dont wanna type it out.

But outside of that what has he done to give you a Good read then?

If I picked bad, would you be asking me the same question?

Yes because I’ve never played with him and hearing people’s thoughts on why they’re reading him the way they are helps me reconsider him

[Luxurious]

I see Sloonei didnt like me saying his questions arent being answered

[Luxurious]

I’m still going through my ample notifications but as soon as I figured out “hey this phase is gonna be 96 hours long with no break” my whole brain went out the window and I havent been able to fully get into this game

But I’m here now I Guess

[Luxurious]

Spoiler: show

Cooler - ISO - Bad
Creature - ISO - Bad
Dragon D Luffy - ISO - Good
DrWilgy - ISO - Bad
Dragomir - ISO - Bad
Epignosis - ISO - Your Master
Jackofhearts2005 - ISO - Good
juliets - ISO - Bad
Long Con - ISO - Good
Luxurious - ISO - Bad
Macdougall - ISO - Bad
MafiaMenace - ISO - Good
Matahari - ISO - Good
nutella - ISO - Good
sabie12 - ISO - Good
Sloonei - ISO - Good
Spacedaisy - ISO - Good
speedchuck - ISO - Good
sprityo - ISO - Good
Ultra - ISO - Good

There’s a lot of Bad iso’s there and I’m kinda curious as to all of them?

But specifically more for julietes and creature

A lot of bad?

There's a lot of bad. I count six, maybe seven.

Yah that’s almost half the player list

Yes I’m aware almost half the playerlist has scum roles

Yes I’m also aware that’s enough scum reads for said roles

My issue is more the fact day hasnt started, I dont think many people have been taking things very seriously, and that’s a lot of scum reads before day start

Yes I know how many pages we have and most of them are just Sloonei asking questions that dont go anywhere

What was the purpose of this post?

Your reads seem disingenuous

I don't care what they seem like.

Good that makes town reading you easier then

[Luxurious]

Actually question for [mention]Epignosis[/mention]

How come you gave me control of your vote last game and now this one you want people to sheep you?

What’s the difference between you NOW and you then.

Now amplified because I dont really care about you then but I figured it a point of reference and could be useful when explaining

[Luxurious]

Oh fuck I’m out my plans for the night didnt fall through bet

I don't understand this sentence. I'm going to try to comprehend it.

"Oh no! I'm leaving now because my plans for the night were not canceled. Bet on the Arizona Diamondbacks, as they will surely beat the San Fransisco Giants tonight with Zack Godley bouncing back after an abysmal start to the 2019 season!"

Actually, that wasn't so hard.

My friend was playing dnd but it got cancelled so we could watch anime instead

[Luxurious]

Spoiler: show

"Why Lux?"

Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

at first glance cult looks pretty harmless early game, in my personal opinion it should be spent on someone like deathstroke, it brings down the average kpn from 2.5 (i assume) down to 1.5

i dont see any posts of ultra that would let me make a read as they are all pregame fluff which happens or strategic thinking which comes from both alignments

Hmmmm

what's on yer mind?

It feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra’s doing

And I’m not sure if MM has played with Ultra before but it’s kinda shady to dismiss his posts as pregame fluff or NAI

I don't feel good about this post. I don't agree with the sentiment of the first line, nor do I feel like that behavior would been to be qualified as suspicious. I also do not see why Lux is suspecting MafiaMenace for not committing to a read on Ultra right away. Lux has not playing with MafiaMenace, to my knowledge. This whole post feels like a reach for suspicion.
Moving on.

Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +

Interesting idea but that would not only out them and give scum a target

But wouldnt it be better to hold off using that until late game where there’ll be more information regarding player alignment?

I mean the felicity player's peak is a one shot, and can ascertain the identity of any player role in the game, so I think it's a no brainer that it would be used straight away

I mean sure if you wanna get a scum right from the start and not give them any chance to out their teammates

But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently

This feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra's doing.

And the bottom line has already been called into question by Ultra. I'm intrigued by that slip, but unable to do anything decisive with it. An explanation exists. It does nothing for me.

I have substantiated a gripe that I have with a Speedchuck post on Day 0. It exists to bolster the conversation in the thread.

Speedchuck gave an indecisive wave of the hand. I'd like him to tell us what it means, and I'd like other people to comment on it.

Why does your response exist?

I don't feel strongly about it either way. It's something I can easily imagine myself saying as well, as a general impulse to sort out what I'm thinking about people who have been active in the thread so far.

I’m mindmelding with this

This post bothers me for reasons that are difficult to articulate. nutella essentially just says that she is capable of seeing two sides of an argument, and that warrants a "mindmeld" comment from Lux. I dunno, I guess I'm just used to seeing "mindmeld" reserved for strong, drawn out cases, not basic gameplay. Feels like a reach to establish a bond with nutella. This comes back later in a post I've already highlighted. Time for me to share my own thoughts on it:

Spoiler: show

Well yeah no I agree with you on that. Maybe this wasn't clear but I suspect him for focusing on mechanics as a reason in itself, not just because of specific things I saw as scummy. Even if I didn't have those little pings (which like you said are pretty circumstantial) I suspect him for the mechanics talk as a general trend.

This seems like potential backed-into-a-corner-word-salad of an explanation

could you elaborate on this in a clear matter

When I originally stated my reason for suspecting MM I said it was because he was focusing on mechanics and that there were parts of that discussion which specifically pinged me. Even disregarding the small specific pings, which both he and Lux dismissed as weak and I concede that they were, I still suspect him for the main reason of generally focusing on mechanics. That make sense?

Serenade me with your take on why his focus on mechanics is suspicious

and what your other small pings were

It's an easy thing to talk about that isn't developing reads on other players. It's a way for scum to look productive in the thread without actually driving the scumhunting process.

Already discussed the other pings and they were shot down. Still have a hunch though.

This mindmeld is the only thing convincing me that you have potential to be town

Again, the point which is being "mindmelded" over does not feel particularly strong or meaningful, which makes me feel like it's insincere. And I also do not like it when players dangle suspicion like this. "I would suspect you, but..."
If you are going to say that, you should attach the reasons you have for considering the person a suspect. I don't see Lux doing that anywhere. I see a lot of softball questions for people, but I don't see a really compelling chain of thoughts anywhere in Lux's ISO. And I see this read on nutella that looks very fake.

If Day 1 started right now my vote would be on nutella.

Your suspicions are gravitating around people focusing too much on mechanics and I don’t see you as a driving force in the thread. You’re reacting rather than creating. It feels safe.

Sloonei treating day 0 like a super extension on day 1 is like good

But I think this is a bit early of a jump

I can see this coming from an anxious town or a trigger happy scum.

Since y’all apparently bus like there’s no tomorrow here, I’m leaning scum

Another thing I hate is this. Nowhere in this post does Lux attach any of my behavior to bussing. She observes that I am being very active. She then makes the leap from "Sloonei is active" to "People on the Syndicate like to bus", and somehow puts these two pieces together to create a suspicion against me. She would later elaborate that it was "an associative read" between nutella and I, but I do not see why that is the conclusion she is drawing. All Lux has said about me is that I'm extremely active and therefore suspicious. Bogus.

tl;dr: Lux was on fire in the scrimmage. She was the town MVP. This is a limp start, and I don't see threads connecting her thoughts. Her reads feel arbitrary and baseless.
[/quote]

I stopped reading this when you turned my words back around on me lol

[Luxurious]

Spoiler: show

"Why Lux?"

Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

at first glance cult looks pretty harmless early game, in my personal opinion it should be spent on someone like deathstroke, it brings down the average kpn from 2.5 (i assume) down to 1.5

i dont see any posts of ultra that would let me make a read as they are all pregame fluff which happens or strategic thinking which comes from both alignments

Hmmmm

what's on yer mind?

It feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra’s doing

And I’m not sure if MM has played with Ultra before but it’s kinda shady to dismiss his posts as pregame fluff or NAI

I don't feel good about this post. I don't agree with the sentiment of the first line, nor do I feel like that behavior would been to be qualified as suspicious. I also do not see why Lux is suspecting MafiaMenace for not committing to a read on Ultra right away. Lux has not playing with MafiaMenace, to my knowledge. This whole post feels like a reach for suspicion.
Moving on.

Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +

Interesting idea but that would not only out them and give scum a target

But wouldnt it be better to hold off using that until late game where there’ll be more information regarding player alignment?

I mean the felicity player's peak is a one shot, and can ascertain the identity of any player role in the game, so I think it's a no brainer that it would be used straight away

I mean sure if you wanna get a scum right from the start and not give them any chance to out their teammates

But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently

This feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra's doing.

And the bottom line has already been called into question by Ultra. I'm intrigued by that slip, but unable to do anything decisive with it. An explanation exists. It does nothing for me.

I have substantiated a gripe that I have with a Speedchuck post on Day 0. It exists to bolster the conversation in the thread.

Speedchuck gave an indecisive wave of the hand. I'd like him to tell us what it means, and I'd like other people to comment on it.

Why does your response exist?

I don't feel strongly about it either way. It's something I can easily imagine myself saying as well, as a general impulse to sort out what I'm thinking about people who have been active in the thread so far.

I’m mindmelding with this

This post bothers me for reasons that are difficult to articulate. nutella essentially just says that she is capable of seeing two sides of an argument, and that warrants a "mindmeld" comment from Lux. I dunno, I guess I'm just used to seeing "mindmeld" reserved for strong, drawn out cases, not basic gameplay. Feels like a reach to establish a bond with nutella. This comes back later in a post I've already highlighted. Time for me to share my own thoughts on it:

Spoiler: show

This seems like potential backed-into-a-corner-word-salad of an explanation

could you elaborate on this in a clear matter

When I originally stated my reason for suspecting MM I said it was because he was focusing on mechanics and that there were parts of that discussion which specifically pinged me. Even disregarding the small specific pings, which both he and Lux dismissed as weak and I concede that they were, I still suspect him for the main reason of generally focusing on mechanics. That make sense?

Serenade me with your take on why his focus on mechanics is suspicious

and what your other small pings were

It's an easy thing to talk about that isn't developing reads on other players. It's a way for scum to look productive in the thread without actually driving the scumhunting process.

Already discussed the other pings and they were shot down. Still have a hunch though.

This mindmeld is the only thing convincing me that you have potential to be town

Again, the point which is being "mindmelded" over does not feel particularly strong or meaningful, which makes me feel like it's insincere. And I also do not like it when players dangle suspicion like this. "I would suspect you, but..."
If you are going to say that, you should attach the reasons you have for considering the person a suspect. I don't see Lux doing that anywhere. I see a lot of softball questions for people, but I don't see a really compelling chain of thoughts anywhere in Lux's ISO. And I see this read on nutella that looks very fake.

If Day 1 started right now my vote would be on nutella.

Your suspicions are gravitating around people focusing too much on mechanics and I don’t see you as a driving force in the thread. You’re reacting rather than creating. It feels safe.

Sloonei treating day 0 like a super extension on day 1 is like good

But I think this is a bit early of a jump

I can see this coming from an anxious town or a trigger happy scum.

Since y’all apparently bus like there’s no tomorrow here, I’m leaning scum

Another thing I hate is this. Nowhere in this post does Lux attach any of my behavior to bussing. She observes that I am being very active. She then makes the leap from "Sloonei is active" to "People on the Syndicate like to bus", and somehow puts these two pieces together to create a suspicion against me. She would later elaborate that it was "an associative read" between nutella and I, but I do not see why that is the conclusion she is drawing. All Lux has said about me is that I'm extremely active and therefore suspicious. Bogus.

tl;dr: Lux was on fire in the scrimmage. She was the town MVP. This is a limp start, and I don't see threads connecting her thoughts. Her reads feel arbitrary and baseless.

[/spoiler]

I stopped reading this when you turned my words back around on me lol
[/quote]

By that I mean you suspect me for doing something and then do the same thing so I’m not reading the rest of this

[Luxurious]

Y’all really acting like I made a scum slip over something that dumb huh

[Luxurious]

Me: There’s only one scum team
The wolves, jumping on my mistake: THERE ARE TWO SCUM TEAMS SHE’D ONLY SAY THAT AS SCUM BECAUSE SHE’S APART OF ONE

Like y’all really think I wouldnt be hyper aware of the other scum team in play if I was mafia lol

[Luxurious]

I say that in regards to dragomir’s broken post of my iso because i dont wanna try to fix it since i dont know where/ why/ how it broke

[Luxurious]

Sloonei you asked for some feedback on your Lux suspicion. I'm not sure I know how to quote multiple times in one post. Edit: Now that I'm finished I see that I have no idea how to do this. I apologize but I'll put my comments in red so you can read them.

"Why Lux?"

Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

at first glance cult looks pretty harmless early game, in my personal opinion it should be spent on someone like deathstroke, it brings down the average kpn from 2.5 (i assume) down to 1.5

i dont see any posts of ultra that would let me make a read as they are all pregame fluff which happens or strategic thinking which comes from both alignments

Hmmmm

what's on yer mind?

It feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra’s doing

And I’m not sure if MM has played with Ultra before but it’s kinda shady to dismiss his posts as pregame fluff or NAI

I don't feel good about this post. I don't agree with the sentiment of the first line, nor do I feel like that behavior would been to be qualified as suspicious. I also do not see why Lux is suspecting MafiaMenace for not committing to a read on Ultra right away. Lux has not playing with MafiaMenace, to my knowledge. This whole post feels like a reach for suspicion.
Moving on.

The thing I didn't understand in this quote is why Lux felt MafiaMenaces post was shady. He has a difference of opinion, one that differs from everyone else that I see, yet he brought it forward regardless of what others were saying it. I don't agree with his opinion but I don't see that it makes him shady. I don't know that Lux's opinion makes her bad but I will consider your point.

Spoiler: show

Well yeah no I agree with you on that. Maybe this wasn't clear but I suspect him for focusing on mechanics as a reason in itself, not just because of specific things I saw as scummy. Even if I didn't have those little pings (which like you said are pretty circumstantial) I suspect him for the mechanics talk as a general trend.

This seems like potential backed-into-a-corner-word-salad of an explanation

could you elaborate on this in a clear matter

When I originally stated my reason for suspecting MM I said it was because he was focusing on mechanics and that there were parts of that discussion which specifically pinged me. Even disregarding the small specific pings, which both he and Lux dismissed as weak and I concede that they were, I still suspect him for the main reason of generally focusing on mechanics. That make sense?

Serenade me with your take on why his focus on mechanics is suspicious

and what your other small pings were

It's an easy thing to talk about that isn't developing reads on other players. It's a way for scum to look productive in the thread without actually driving the scumhunting process.

Already discussed the other pings and they were shot down. Still have a hunch though.

This mindmeld is the only thing convincing me that you have potential to be town

Again, the point which is being "mindmelded" over does not feel particularly strong or meaningful, which makes me feel like it's insincere. And I also do not like it when players dangle suspicion like this. "I would suspect you, but..."
If you are going to say that, you should attach the reasons you have for considering the person a suspect. I don't see Lux doing that anywhere. I see a lot of softball questions for people, but I don't see a really compelling chain of thoughts anywhere in Lux's ISO. And I see this read on nutella that looks very fake.[/quote]

The comment "This mind meld is the only thing convincing me that you have the potential to be town" bothered me but I couldn't really put my finger on why. I am still struggling to articulate it so maybe it's just a way of expressing something that is different from what I am used to. I do think you have a good point here though that it would be less problematic if she has listed reasons she had for finding nutella suspect.

If Day 1 started right now my vote would be on nutella.

Your suspicions are gravitating around people focusing too much on mechanics and I don’t see you as a driving force in the thread. You’re reacting rather than creating. It feels safe.

Sloonei treating day 0 like a super extension on day 1 is like good

But I think this is a bit early of a jump

I can see this coming from an anxious town or a trigger happy scum.

Since y’all apparently bus like there’s no tomorrow here, I’m leaning scum

Another thing I hate is this. Nowhere in this post does Lux attach any of my behavior to bussing. She observes that I am being very active. She then makes the leap from "Sloonei is active" to "People on the Syndicate like to bus", and somehow puts these two pieces together to create a suspicion against me. She would later elaborate that it was "an associative read" between nutella and I, but I do not see why that is the conclusion she is drawing. All Lux has said about me is that I'm extremely active and therefore suspicious. Bogus. [/quote]

The disconnect for me in Lux's statement is I couldn't make the leap from "I can see this coming from an anxious town or a trigger happy scum" to "Since y'all apparently bus like there's no tomorrow here, I'm leaning scum". I thought her comment "a trigger happy scum" implied Sloonie was out to get someone, anyone, because he was scum. But then the last sentence is linking him to nutella, i.e., he's bussing her. How does that square with him being a trigger happy scum? I don't think a trigger happy scum would go after a teammate. I would understand it if she had said "I can see this coming from an anxious town or a scum who is bussing". So bottom line I don't understand how she got to the end statement.

So Sloonei I can see your issues with her statements but I'm not clear these things make her bad. My concern is I'm just not understanding her because I'm not used to communicating with her. I'll read her ISO today and see if that helps me see her the way that you are seeing her. I will also be interested to see other's comments on your case.
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I was told in the last game people on this site like to bus.

I think nutella and him are scum together and the only reason I dont FULLY think nutella is scum is because I have been mindmelding with her.

The only thing I have to argue against why this doesnt make me scum is hypotheticals which dont mean shit so meh

Point is I think Slooney came out the gate pushing Nutella hard when Im not fully scum reading her. His post saying “wait for my case for her on day 1” made me consider this even more so. (Will pull on request)

I dont think nutella is scum outside of slooney pushing her really so if she flips bad then he’s most likely doing a JJJ/ Ultra pairing

[Luxurious]

Oh fuck i broke it god damn it

[Luxurious]

Okay anyway that’s all my notifications so I’m gonna play catch up expect more to come

[Luxurious]

Slooney going offline when I arrive Looks Good Though

[Luxurious]

Slooney going offline when I arrive Looks Good Though

/s

[Luxurious]

Start of Day 1 rainbow list:

Ultra
Macdougall/color]
MafiaMenace
sabie
Jackofhearts
Epignosis
Dragomir
nutella
Creature
Dragon D Luffy
Long Con
speedchuck
juliets
Matahari
sprityo
Spacedaisy
Cooler
DrWilgy
Luxurious

[VOTE: Luxurious] aubergine

How come you 180'd on nutella

Because I’m right and he’s a coward

[Luxurious]

i mean that in the nicest way possible tho slooney

[Sloonei]

I see Sloonei didnt like me saying his questions arent being answered

I see Luxurious is ignoring the actual case against her

[juliets]

Oh fuck i broke it god damn it

No Lux, it was already broken. Thats why I responded in red, I couldn't get the thing to format correctly.

[Luxurious]

Nutella also voting sloonei suddenly makes me hard reconsider what I’m saying

[Sloonei]

Slooney going offline when I arrive Looks Good Though

Holy shade batman.

[Luxurious]

I see Sloonei didnt like me saying his questions arent being answered

I see Luxurious is ignoring the actual case against her

I sure am because it’s bad

[Luxurious]

Oh fuck i broke it god damn it

No Lux, it was already broken. Thats why I responded in red, I couldn't get the thing to format correctly.

But i broke it even more

[Sloonei]

How and why do you make the jump to “people on this site like to bus” to “sloonei is bussing nutella”? Thqt looks extremely arbitrary. What evidence is there that my suspicion of her was inauthentic and vice versa? Why are we the specific targets for this accusation and not, say, Epi and Dragomir?

[Luxurious]

I was expecting this at the start of day one and I saw that you’d already posted it so i went and found it since this what I was primarily basing my assumptions off of (re: me assuming you just didnt post it)

Uh for starters though: why? Are you apologizing to me? I’m just teasing people for reading iso’s on day 0 when i dont consider it an actual day phase and seeing everyone else does was kinda mind boggling

Spoiler: show

I said I was gonna hold off on my full nutella suspicion until Day 1 is officially underway, but I'm bored and impatient, so here goes.

Mind you, when I say that I have a suspicion this early in the game, I am in no way suggesting that I'm married to this read. This is just me floating some initial concerns I have about a player. I'm making this disclaimer here because there are a number of folks who've never played with me before in this game and I'm already feeling that my approach is causing some confusion and making people misread my intentions.

Onto the actual substance: When I consider nutella as a suspect, two trends stand out to me so far in this game. 1) low-hanging fruit, and 2) downplaying of suspicion/pressure. I've picked out a few examples from her ISO (sorry Lux):

I have substantiated a gripe that I have with a Speedchuck post on Day 0. It exists to bolster the conversation in the thread.

Speedchuck gave an indecisive wave of the hand. I'd like him to tell us what it means, and I'd like other people to comment on it.

Why does your response exist?

I don't feel strongly about it either way. It's something I can easily imagine myself saying as well, as a general impulse to sort out what I'm thinking about people who have been active in the thread so far.

What is your read on the player called Sloonei so far?

The usual General town read while keeping the roll of foil within reach if needed.

The player called Sloonei is grilling nutella a little bit. Nothing serious, but the directness of the final question in this exchange suggests attentiveness on his part. nutella gives it a casual sidestep, leaning (it would seem) more toward the "General town read", but with enough resistance in the "roll of foil" comment to avoid rolling over completely. I would file this under "downplaying pressure".

hm, well yes mac. i can deduce that today is in fact, day 0

thank you, this has been my ted talk

Truly inspiring

sprityo drops in and drops out. I don't object to keeping tabs on him and putting pressure on him to post more. What bothers me about this is the bluntness of nutella's response. She's being purposefully oppositional toward sprit. It looks more like she's putting a tab on future suspect than she is trying to wrangle content out of a quiet player. File this under "low-hanging fruit".

She later names "everyone whose name starts with M" as suspects. These are her reasons:

Also he suspected Epi for giving out town reads which is something town Epi does and actually I believe Mac did the same thing in scrimmage.


Mata has checked in only to laugh off Epi's statement of suspicion of her and to provide some slank cover.


Mafmen is just focused on mechanics and I feel like there were bits of it that seemed like they could have come from a scum perspective

I have no direct objections to her Mac suspicion here, so I've cut it out of the post. But it exists and I don't want to seem like I'm dismissing it.
Matahari and MafiaMenace are low-hanging fruit here. Mata falls into the same category as sprit. She goes after MafiaMenace for his focus on mechanics to that point, which is something I've already commented on. These are not particularly inspired suspicions.

Her responses to my declaration of suspicion:

If Day 1 started right now my vote would be on nutella.

If Day 1 started right now my vote would be on nutella.

Your suspicions are gravitating around people focusing too much on mechanics and I don’t see you as a driving force in the thread. You’re reacting rather than creating. It feels safe.

They're not. People have made me talk most about my MM suspicion but it is the weakest of the three, and the others are not mechanics-related.

I always react more than create. You know that. I still have original reads to the extent that I normally would at this stage. Your reason is empty. This is a poopybarf read.

The last bit is laying it on a little thick.

sloonei: *asks me who I suspect*
me: *says who I suspect and talks about it for several posts*
sloonei: *asks me who I suspect*
sloonei: *is mafia*

I am now mafia.

Nutella, I’m calling you out for having big eyes, big teeth, etc.

You got me, those are some of my best features

This reminds me of The Story of the Wolf and The Llama. Once upon a time the Llama would go around asking everyone if they were wolves. Of course everyone was supposed to say no, but the Llama realized that the actual Wolf had trouble saying so.

Nutella, how do you respond to my vague accusations and intention to arrow you in the pancreas?

you haven't given me much to respond to, so as of now I just fart in your general direction. I think you're making it up for reactions but you won't catch me there

So you can be caught?

lol nah I'm the gingerbread man

See above.

Sloonei is really overeager about his suspicion of me, he's latching onto everything I say as suspicious in whatever way he can twist it to be. I think he's scum who's really excited to be in a multiball game and taking advantage of the fact that he can still hunt to do it excessively to look town

This isn't downplaying the suspicion, this is exaggerating it so that it can be twisted into a suspicion. Which is what she's accusing me of doing.

Also nutella was town reading me until others started to suspect me. See above.

Caveat to all of this for those who don't know nutella well, and for the sake of fairness: she is a very impulsive player. It's what makes her great. She is never afraid to make quick judgments and reads. I perceive nutella's town playstyle as bouncing around from one read to the next until she finds the one that feels right. I can see that in her posts. But I also see her possibly trying too hard to brush off the pressure against her, and I see her going after unimaginative targets. These are concerning things.

I see you also do the thing where you only post ISOs with content that you think make someone a baddie

This is outside the Mac information since you dont really state that it makes her town

My biggest question here is: Why dont you include posts where people outside of nutella start suspecting you? Otherwise I have to trust your word in regards to “she starts suspecting me when other people do”