Arrowverse Mafia - Day 8

[Dragomir]

So my scum read on Sloonei is based off his iso on Nutella and how trying to discredit my thoughts on him based on the last game.

The first one is because it felt completely fabricated and tryhard just to impress and get town cred. I felt like the whole schmick of it was to make it look like a in-depth analysis with all the wording he had, and the dissecting of every post to lead to the ultimate good of becoming a deep wolf and power wolf his way through starting D0. The iso is similar to what Nutella's iso on me the last game was. It looks deep and stuff from surface level, but looking below the surface, it comes straight outa left field.

The second is bad cause it's well just plain old discrediting to make my thoughts look worse than what they actually are(at least imo). Making the person doubt their reads and have others not look into it much. Seeing how I believed I played bad last game and made public of that, I can see scum taking advantage of this by saying that I'm doing the same thing as last game to get into my head.

Though my vote is not on him but instead Luxy. Why? I firmly do believe that she made a scum slip there and she didn't do a good job convincing me otherwise.

Dragomir at this point I gotta ask why you said you town read me then if you legitimately believe I’m scum and made an obvious slip. Like what purpose does that have.

Also I was also gonna argue that Sloonei didnt discrete you but he did say it directly. However he did have a point that I’ve even said before in regards to how you enter tunnels that it’s fairly hard from you to break from when you lock yourself into them

When I said that I town read you, I was talking in past tense, meaning I used to but not anymore.

Only happens when I feel super confident in who I'm tunneling is scum. I've had past games when I've been completely unsure of my reads and had low confidence in who I was coming at is actually scum.

Okay well I wanna know who you currently town read then

But also I did just play a game with you where all the people you were super tunneling were town. So I’m not fully inclined to give that one to you but I will Consider it when moving forward

Nutella, Ultra, and that's about it really. Everybody else besides those I'm openly scum reading are pretty NAI for me.

[Sloonei]

@Luxurious I believe The Question you want answered is “Why don’t you inude posts where people outside of nutella start suspecting you?” If this is not the question you’re referring to, please point me in the right direction

The answer, believe it or not, is brevity. I didn’t think to include posts like that because it didn’t seem totally necessary. I was focusing on nutella, not Other People. But if I had my laptop right now I could highlight suspicions from Macdougall, Ultra (I think. Might be mixing him up with someone else), and Dragomir just off the top of my head. My concern at the time was that nutella had been keeping me at arm’s length while proclaiming a town read, but as soon as the opportunity arose to pile onto a case against me, she pounced.

I do not currently read nutella as scum and I am not currently operating under this assumption. But when I looked to nutella with an eye for suspicious behavior, that was a possibility which stood out to me.

Yah that was it.

And that’s fair. Nutella addressed it as well since she seemed to know what you were talking about. I am aware of the read swap you had because it is Very Apparent in your list

So was that a point you explicitly wanted nutella to respond to? Or was that iso made mostly as a “here’s why you too! Should scum read nutella!”

A little of both. When I post an ISO like that, especially on Day 0/1, it is with the intent of creating reaction from as many players as possible. I wanted nutella to respond to the post because her reaction would tell me more about her. I wanted everyone else to respond because their reactions would tell me more about them, and they could add their own points either for or against my case. The ball would be rolling in a productive direction. Like I said at the top of my nutella ISO, I never make a post like that with the idea in mind that I’m delivering any sort of Final Word on the issue. I see it as the beginning of a conversation.

Another question you asked (I think. Maybe I inferred it or took it from someone else) was “why do you only focus on the bad aspects in this ISO?”

To answer that, it’s because I’m trying to construct an argument for why my target (in that case, nutella) is bad. I usually ISO people with the intention of reading them as bad. If I find patterns or isolated moments that are consistent with the idea of that player being scum, I share them. It doesn’t mean I’m certain that person is bad or that I’m not considering alternatives.

Okay that’s fair

My issue re:Iso’s is the fact that it’s hard to see that thought process when you’re not the person making the ISO, so it looks a bit suspect.

Like I’ve seen iso’s by players (not JJJ and were actually town) where they considered both sides of the coin, and then presented the argument where the bad outweighs the good. It allows people to engage with a “okay yeah but x makes them town.” “Yes but y does the opposite of that and makes them scum as you can see here” so idk maybe I’m idealistic

But I do think MM coming back and reading your iso and going “actually the good outweighs the bad” is a genuine thought even without the information considering the progression he had in the thread

I do ISOs like that too. They’re valuable too. Different circumstances ask for different approaches.

[MacDougall]

None of my usual advocates are in this game. They have been replaced by people who don’t know me.

It’s noticeable.

You are town. I'll advocate for you baby.

[Sloonei]

So my scum read on Sloonei is based off his iso on Nutella and how trying to discredit my thoughts on him based on the last game.

The first one is because it felt completely fabricated and tryhard just to impress and get town cred. I felt like the whole schmick of it was to make it look like a in-depth analysis with all the wording he had, and the dissecting of every post to lead to the ultimate good of becoming a deep wolf and power wolf his way through starting D0. The iso is similar to what Nutella's iso on me the last game was. It looks deep and stuff from surface level, but looking below the surface, it comes straight outa left field.

The second is bad cause it's well just plain old discrediting to make my thoughts look worse than what they actually are(at least imo). Making the person doubt their reads and have others not look into it much. Seeing how I believed I played bad last game and made public of that, I can see scum taking advantage of this by saying that I'm doing the same thing as last game to get into my head.

Though my vote is not on him but instead Luxy. Why? I firmly do believe that she made a scum slip there and she didn't do a good job convincing me otherwise.

Oh, one last thing to add, his wanting to do a GTH earlier. Mac already explained why that's pretty scummy so not gonna reiterate it.

I was not trying to discredit you when I brought up the scrimmage. I was sincerely just trying to help you.

What? You literally admitted to trying to discredit me in this post.

I am discrediting you because you are suspecting me. I’ve responded to every point you’ve expressed against me and you’ve just come back with additional points or refused to budge. I’m telling you that you’re wrong after having addressed every other point. You are wrong about me. Please at least entertain me and pretend that I’m town.

I was flustered because you came at me like a whirlwind. I tried to emphasize in that post that you were leaving me no choice but to discredit you, because you were tunneling me in the same way (I perceived) you to be tunneling your suspects last game. You implied you wanted to improve from that performance. I have been trying to help you.

Ok, don't really what to think of this but aight. There's 2 sides of it, my side where you were trying to discredit me in the naughty sense or you're trying to help me.

You first say that you were trying to discredit me with no implication that you were doing to help me out but now you're trying to paint as a good thing under the umbrella of "trying to help" to lessen the actual severity of your discredit post. All that, looks bad. But I won't tunnel you. I'll keep observing.

I respect that this is an extremely confusing place to be. I say i’m trying to be helpful but you have no idea what my role card says about me. Everything you’ve said and done has seemed very authentic to me, so I’m willing to trust you. You do not need to trust me, and all I ask is that you keep an open mind.

[Dragomir]

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Okay @MafiaMenace

Please tell me how this makes you feel

theres a difference between your case and sloons

sloon never baited a response, it was a barebones readslist that some people might not have questioned

even if you want to argue that they did bait a question, they had a lot of points to back it up while you had maybe a sentence

I wasnt really asking for a comparison but fair enough regardless

I was more just asking your opinion about it but uh hm

Obviously he had the ISO prepared but you think he’s town because when asked he had a full list ready to go?

actually yeah sloonei why didnt you just post it?
it would come across much more townier

Because not posting it forces people to react (or distinctly not react. I wanted to see who would take notice, who would inquire, and who would overlook/ignore it. These are all things that can be very informative later on, especially if Luxurious were to flip scum.

So what are you thinking about those who did the bolded?

Nothing specific yet. I don’t know if it means anything. Luxurious could be town, in which case several people didn’t take notice that I suddenly suspected a civilian most of all. That could just mean they didn’t care. But if they didn’t care, they might be more likely to be town themselves; scum would have been intrigued by the sudden appearance of a new suspect from The Loudest Guy In the Room.

In that case are you thinking bad about me questioning the scum read on Luxy then?

[Luxurious]

I was gonna ask Long Con why his vote is on himself but I figure it was because he didnt wanna be on me anymore

[Dragomir]

None of my usual advocates are in this game. They have been replaced by people who don’t know me.

It’s noticeable.

You are town. I'll advocate for you baby.

What changed?

[Sloonei]

None of my usual advocates are in this game. They have been replaced by people who don’t know me.

It’s noticeable.

You are town. I'll advocate for you baby.

What on earth did I just read?

[Sloonei]

@

theres a difference between your case and sloons

sloon never baited a response, it was a barebones readslist that some people might not have questioned

even if you want to argue that they did bait a question, they had a lot of points to back it up while you had maybe a sentence

I wasnt really asking for a comparison but fair enough regardless

I was more just asking your opinion about it but uh hm

Obviously he had the ISO prepared but you think he’s town because when asked he had a full list ready to go?

actually yeah sloonei why didnt you just post it?
it would come across much more townier

Because not posting it forces people to react (or distinctly not react. I wanted to see who would take notice, who would inquire, and who would overlook/ignore it. These are all things that can be very informative later on, especially if Luxurious were to flip scum.

So what are you thinking about those who did the bolded?

Nothing specific yet. I don’t know if it means anything. Luxurious could be town, in which case several people didn’t take notice that I suddenly suspected a civilian most of all. That could just mean they didn’t care. But if they didn’t care, they might be more likely to be town themselves; scum would have been intrigued by the sudden appearance of a new suspect from The Loudest Guy In the Room.

In that case are you thinking bad about me questioning the scum read on Luxy then?

No. That was just one hypothetical. My point is that I can’t do anything with that information yet because I don’t actually know the alignment of anybody in this game but myself. It’s data for later.

[Dragomir]

@Luxurious I believe The Question you want answered is “Why don’t you inude posts where people outside of nutella start suspecting you?” If this is not the question you’re referring to, please point me in the right direction

The answer, believe it or not, is brevity. I didn’t think to include posts like that because it didn’t seem totally necessary. I was focusing on nutella, not Other People. But if I had my laptop right now I could highlight suspicions from Macdougall, Ultra (I think. Might be mixing him up with someone else), and Dragomir just off the top of my head. My concern at the time was that nutella had been keeping me at arm’s length while proclaiming a town read, but as soon as the opportunity arose to pile onto a case against me, she pounced.

I do not currently read nutella as scum and I am not currently operating under this assumption. But when I looked to nutella with an eye for suspicious behavior, that was a possibility which stood out to me.

Yah that was it.

And that’s fair. Nutella addressed it as well since she seemed to know what you were talking about. I am aware of the read swap you had because it is Very Apparent in your list

So was that a point you explicitly wanted nutella to respond to? Or was that iso made mostly as a “here’s why you too! Should scum read nutella!”

A little of both. When I post an ISO like that, especially on Day 0/1, it is with the intent of creating reaction from as many players as possible. I wanted nutella to respond to the post because her reaction would tell me more about her. I wanted everyone else to respond because their reactions would tell me more about them, and they could add their own points either for or against my case. The ball would be rolling in a productive direction. Like I said at the top of my nutella ISO, I never make a post like that with the idea in mind that I’m delivering any sort of Final Word on the issue. I see it as the beginning of a conversation.

Another question you asked (I think. Maybe I inferred it or took it from someone else) was “why do you only focus on the bad aspects in this ISO?”

To answer that, it’s because I’m trying to construct an argument for why my target (in that case, nutella) is bad. I usually ISO people with the intention of reading them as bad. If I find patterns or isolated moments that are consistent with the idea of that player being scum, I share them. It doesn’t mean I’m certain that person is bad or that I’m not considering alternatives.

Okay that’s fair

My issue re:Iso’s is the fact that it’s hard to see that thought process when you’re not the person making the ISO, so it looks a bit suspect.

Like I’ve seen iso’s by players (not JJJ and were actually town) where they considered both sides of the coin, and then presented the argument where the bad outweighs the good. It allows people to engage with a “okay yeah but x makes them town.” “Yes but y does the opposite of that and makes them scum as you can see here” so idk maybe I’m idealistic

But I do think MM coming back and reading your iso and going “actually the good outweighs the bad” is a genuine thought even without the information considering the progression he had in the thread

I do ISOs like that too. They’re valuable too. Different circumstances ask for different approaches.

Why? Wouldn't it be pretty wishy washy and contradictory if you're trying to explain why the person you're isoing can be town whilst scum reading them? I'm thinking similar to how Owner acted towards JJJ last game.

[Sloonei]

Speaking of my advocates: i’m mildly concerned that Epi has stuck up for me so much. What’s his angle?

[Luxurious]

I mean the felicity player's peak is a one shot, and can ascertain the identity of any player role in the game, so I think it's a no brainer that it would be used straight away

I mean sure if you wanna get a scum right from the start and not give them any chance to out their teammates

But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently

What do you guys suspecting Lux think of this post

It's a strategic argument that I do not agree with, but it does not tell me much about their alignment in this game.

Why do you bring it up?

I was actually talking about this

"But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently"

It's intriguing that she seems to refer to the "mafia team" singular. I could easily speculate that that suggests she's a member the first mafia team.

this occurred to me as well, her post doesn't really make sense unless she's coming from that perspective (or maybe just misread/didn't thoroughly read the roles)

I did misread the roles

I’ve stated that I was operating under the idea that the other team wasnt scum but an independent

[Luxurious]

I think the most frustrating thing about this is the fact that Everyone Else Knew But Me

And now I’m Scum Because I Was The Only One That Didnt Know

[Sloonei]

Why? Wouldn't it be pretty wishy washy and contradictory if you're trying to explain why the person you're isoing can be town whilst scum reading them? I'm thinking similar to how Owner acted towards JJJ last game.

I’m not sure what you are asking me.

[Luxurious]

I took the L for my scum partner because neither of us knew and I figured someone’s gotta figure it out for us at the cost of a lynch /s

[Sloonei]

I think the most frustrating thing about this is the fact that Everyone Else Knew But Me

And now I’m Scum Because I Was The Only One That Didnt Know

If it helps, this point barely registers in my suspicion of you.

[Sloonei]

[mention]Luxurious[/mention] the main question I have for you at the moment is why you leapt to assuming that nutella and I were bussing each other? What evidence was there that our treatment of each other was two partners going at it?

You may have already answered this in part, but I missed it and scrolling back is a hassle on mobile.

[Luxurious]

I think the most frustrating thing about this is the fact that Everyone Else Knew But Me

And now I’m Scum Because I Was The Only One That Didnt Know

If it helps, this point barely registers in my suspicion of you.

It doesnt because barely registers is still A Little Bit

[Luxurious]

@Luxurious the main question I have for you at the moment is why you leapt to assuming that nutella and I were bussing each other? What evidence was there that our treatment of each other was two partners going at it?

You may have already answered this in part, but I missed it and scrolling back is a hassle on mobile.

I’ve only played on mobile so idk what hassle you’re talking about

I will find it though because i did address it

[Luxurious]

How and why do you make the jump to “people on this site like to bus” to “sloonei is bussing nutella”? Thqt looks extremely arbitrary. What evidence is there that my suspicion of her was inauthentic and vice versa? Why are we the specific targets for this accusation and not, say, Epi and Dragomir?

Because your suspicion on her looked more like you’re trying to paint a story where she’s scum. I have more questions about your ISO against her, but I want my biggest question answered first which i’ve already posted.

Also I havent read nutella’s posts against you yet to see why she’s voted you. I also havent read her response to your ISO yet either. But I havent read as much of Epi’s and Dragomir’s posts. I also am unaware of anyone they could be bussing as openly as this?

Like coming back and posting this: (see below) what am I supposed to think? It looks like you’re going “just wait until I bury her with my all my suspicion you’ll read me as town then”

Your suspicions are gravitating around people focusing too much on mechanics and I don’t see you as a driving force in the thread. You’re reacting rather than creating. It feels safe.

Sloonei treating day 0 like a super extension on day 1 is like good

But I think this is a bit early of a jump

I can see this coming from an anxious town or a trigger happy scum.

Since y’all apparently bus like there’s no tomorrow here, I’m leaning scum

What does bussing have to do with this? Do you think nutella must also be scum for me to be scum here?

Yes that’s an associative read

well sit tight. I’m holding back on the bulk of my nutella suspicion until Day 1 actually starts. You’ll have more to judge then.

[Luxurious]

Also something I kinda wanted to address but skipped over it is re:nutella suspecting Jack

Like i kinda think what he’s doing here is in conjunction with what he was doing in the last game we played and I feel like he’d be trying harder if he was scum

I’m pretty sure I’m not using conjunction correctly here but Epi is the one that has to deal with that

[Dragomir]

Idek why I'm awake right now. It's 12am and I have to wake up at 6am for school tomorrow. Even then staying up like this is bad on its own. Mafia is making me unhealthy.

[Dragomir]

Why? Wouldn't it be pretty wishy washy and contradictory if you're trying to explain why the person you're isoing can be town whilst scum reading them? I'm thinking similar to how Owner acted towards JJJ last game.

I’m not sure what you are asking me.

Why do you find them valuable and do them?

[Sloonei]

I feel I’ve more or less addressed all of those points in this ongoing exchange. How do you feel about that bussing theory now?

(The only one I haven’t addressed is the one about why I was waiting to post my nutella case. The answer to that is courtesy. I didn’t want to flood the threat too too much on Day 0. It’s the same reason I waited to name you a suspect later.)

All of this is at luxurious.

[Sloonei]

Idek why I'm awake right now. It's 12am and I have to wake up at 6am for school tomorrow. Even then staying up like this is bad on its own. Mafia is making me unhealthy.

Welcome to the club.

This man is so town.

[Dragomir]

I think the most frustrating thing about this is the fact that Everyone Else Knew But Me

And now I’m Scum Because I Was The Only One That Didnt Know

Do you want me to unvote you and give you a second chance?

[Luxurious]

Why? Wouldn't it be pretty wishy washy and contradictory if you're trying to explain why the person you're isoing can be town whilst scum reading them? I'm thinking similar to how Owner acted towards JJJ last game.

I’m not sure what you are asking me.

No because it’s + Ev and - Ev

You’re saying that “while yes town can make these posts, I dont believe they’re town and Here’s why”

It’s so people who are town reading them can follow along and be like “well when you put it like that yeah it does look that they’re scum” because scum is also trying their best to look like town, and people are definitely going to think they are

Unless they’re openly wolfing which is pretty ballsy

[Luxurious]

I think the most frustrating thing about this is the fact that Everyone Else Knew But Me

And now I’m Scum Because I Was The Only One That Didnt Know

Do you want me to unvote you and give you a second chance?

Make that decision for yourself

[Sloonei]

Why? Wouldn't it be pretty wishy washy and contradictory if you're trying to explain why the person you're isoing can be town whilst scum reading them? I'm thinking similar to how Owner acted towards JJJ last game.

I’m not sure what you are asking me.

Why do you find them valuable and do them?

I do ISOs where I try to specifically argue that a player is scum (or more rarely, town) if I’m trying to kickstart something, either a suspicion for myself to pursue or some points for other people to consider and respond to.

I do ISOs where I try to measure both the good and the bad in a player when I truly don’t know what to make of them and want to establish a direction to move in.

You’ll see both if I stick around long enough.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jackofhearts2005 you're not doing your town thang. You're mafia

Yeah? Tell me about that.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jackofhearts2005 you're not doing your town thang. You're mafia

What’s his town thang?

doing stuff. posting. expressing thoughts. making jokes. memeing. giffing. teasing people. typing words in the reply box and hitting submit. literally anything more than what he has been doing, which is tunneling one person and not really making comments about anything else and sitting back avoiding participation.

I'll put this in the "reads you don't believe" pile.

[Luxurious]

I feel I’ve more or less addressed all of those points in this ongoing exchange. How do you feel about that bussing theory now?

(The only one I haven’t addressed is the one about why I was waiting to post my nutella case. The answer to that is courtesy. I didn’t want to flood the threat too too much on Day 0. It’s the same reason I waited to name you a suspect later.)

All of this is at luxurious.

A courtesy you threw out the window as soon as you got bored enough lmao

Anyway I think I’m considering it less since when I voted you, nutella was also voting there I really just Did Not Feel Good About That and I’m still missing info on the Why? Aspect of it

[Sloonei]

Oh. I think I know what you’re asking.

I never know for sure what anyone’s alignment is while I’m ISOing them. So if I see points for either side, I mention it. I don’t give a rat’s ass about looking “wishywashy.” Nutella will tella you that’s the area she lives in. Civilians should be uncertain of themselves and should consider both sides.

It’s when people state suspicions limply and without conviction that “wishywashy” behavior looks bad.

[Sloonei]

I feel I’ve more or less addressed all of those points in this ongoing exchange. How do you feel about that bussing theory now?

(The only one I haven’t addressed is the one about why I was waiting to post my nutella case. The answer to that is courtesy. I didn’t want to flood the threat too too much on Day 0. It’s the same reason I waited to name you a suspect later.)

All of this is at luxurious.

A courtesy you threw out the window as soon as you got bored enough lmao

Anyway I think I’m considering it less since when I voted you, nutella was also voting there I really just Did Not Feel Good About That and I’m still missing info on the Why? Aspect of it

I never claimed to have any self-control.

What “why” info are you missing?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like Nutella knows way better than to think me not posting is scum indicative.

She was my teammate for Mass Effect and I never coasted. I recently soloed two mafia wins after my whole team was lynched with pure WIM.

There is no way town Nutella decides I'm scum because I'm not posting enough. This is not a thing.

[Luxurious]

I feel I’ve more or less addressed all of those points in this ongoing exchange. How do you feel about that bussing theory now?

(The only one I haven’t addressed is the one about why I was waiting to post my nutella case. The answer to that is courtesy. I didn’t want to flood the threat too too much on Day 0. It’s the same reason I waited to name you a suspect later.)

All of this is at luxurious.

A courtesy you threw out the window as soon as you got bored enough lmao

Anyway I think I’m considering it less since when I voted you, nutella was also voting there I really just Did Not Feel Good About That and I’m still missing info on the Why? Aspect of it

I never claimed to have any self-control.

What “why” info are you missing?

Why she voted there

[Dragomir]

Why? Wouldn't it be pretty wishy washy and contradictory if you're trying to explain why the person you're isoing can be town whilst scum reading them? I'm thinking similar to how Owner acted towards JJJ last game.

I’m not sure what you are asking me.

No because it’s + Ev and - Ev

You’re saying that “while yes town can make these posts, I dont believe they’re town and Here’s why”

It’s so people who are town reading them can follow along and be like “well when you put it like that yeah it does look that they’re scum” because scum is also trying their best to look like town, and people are definitely going to think they are

Unless they’re openly wolfing which is pretty ballsy

Ah, I see? Have you ever seen an open wolf tactic work before? I expect it's to make town think that the player is too scummy to be wolf right?

[Dragomir]

I think the most frustrating thing about this is the fact that Everyone Else Knew But Me

And now I’m Scum Because I Was The Only One That Didnt Know

Do you want me to unvote you and give you a second chance?

Make that decision for yourself

But what do you want me to do?

[Sloonei]

Like Nutella knows way better than to think me not posting is scum indicative.

She was my teammate for Mass Effect and I never coasted. I recently soloed two mafia wins after my whole team was lynched with pure WIM.

There is no way town Nutella decides I'm scum because I'm not posting enough. This is not a thing.

I remember catching you a couple times semi-recently, but I forget what the clues were.

Remind me to dig up your skeletons later.

[Luxurious]

Why? Wouldn't it be pretty wishy washy and contradictory if you're trying to explain why the person you're isoing can be town whilst scum reading them? I'm thinking similar to how Owner acted towards JJJ last game.

I’m not sure what you are asking me.

No because it’s + Ev and - Ev

You’re saying that “while yes town can make these posts, I dont believe they’re town and Here’s why”

It’s so people who are town reading them can follow along and be like “well when you put it like that yeah it does look that they’re scum” because scum is also trying their best to look like town, and people are definitely going to think they are

Unless they’re openly wolfing which is pretty ballsy

Ah, I see? Have you ever seen an open wolf tactic work before? I expect it's to make town think that the player is too scummy to be wolf right?

No

You’re literally just a wolf voting to be a wolf and get away with it.

I was reading champs game 2 while also playing Scrimmage because Tsunami, my sites representative was there, and the wolves literally had been suspected the whole time because they were open wolfing and yet town kept? Going to other people? Until tsunami called out fable

Bless tsunami

Oh also town kept NOT VOTING

SO WOLVES LITERALLY DIDNT HAVE ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT

[Dragomir]

Oh. I think I know what you’re asking.

I never know for sure what anyone’s alignment is while I’m ISOing them. So if I see points for either side, I mention it. I don’t give a rat’s ass about looking “wishywashy.” Nutella will tella you that’s the area she lives in. Civilians should be uncertain of themselves and should consider both sides.

It’s when people state suspicions limply and without conviction that “wishywashy” behavior looks bad.

I think being wishy washy is trying not to get your hands too dirty. But I guess being too firm and open to a bunch of things can be bad. Kinda reminds me of the salad scum tell which was mentioned last game.

[Luxurious]

That being said the game ended in a scum sweep with like 5 people who didnt vote and the game was pretty much at mylo so mods ended it since town had no chance

[Dragomir]

Why? Wouldn't it be pretty wishy washy and contradictory if you're trying to explain why the person you're isoing can be town whilst scum reading them? I'm thinking similar to how Owner acted towards JJJ last game.

I’m not sure what you are asking me.

No because it’s + Ev and - Ev

You’re saying that “while yes town can make these posts, I dont believe they’re town and Here’s why”

It’s so people who are town reading them can follow along and be like “well when you put it like that yeah it does look that they’re scum” because scum is also trying their best to look like town, and people are definitely going to think they are

Unless they’re openly wolfing which is pretty ballsy

Ah, I see? Have you ever seen an open wolf tactic work before? I expect it's to make town think that the player is too scummy to be wolf right?

No

You’re literally just a wolf voting to be a wolf and get away with it.

I was reading champs game 2 while also playing Scrimmage because Tsunami, my sites representative was there, and the wolves literally had been suspected the whole time because they were open wolfing and yet town kept? Going to other people? Until tsunami called out fable

Bless tsunami

Oh also town kept NOT VOTING

SO WOLVES LITERALLY DIDNT HAVE ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT

So town was just ass the entire game?

[Luxurious]

I think the most frustrating thing about this is the fact that Everyone Else Knew But Me

And now I’m Scum Because I Was The Only One That Didnt Know

Do you want me to unvote you and give you a second chance?

Make that decision for yourself

But what do you want me to do?

I want you to decide for yourself lol. Like if you’re so sure I scum slipped, leave it. If you’re not, take it off. It’s literally up to you

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like Nutella knows way better than to think me not posting is scum indicative.

She was my teammate for Mass Effect and I never coasted. I recently soloed two mafia wins after my whole team was lynched with pure WIM.

There is no way town Nutella decides I'm scum because I'm not posting enough. This is not a thing.

I remember catching you a couple times semi-recently, but I forget what the clues were.

Remind me to dig up your skeletons later.

Catching me?

You were convinced I was town in Hogwarts because my play didn't make sense as a mafia member...and it didn't. I gave out too many townreads that didn't lead to enough mislynches for my team to score a victory.

IIRC, you suspected me in SHP somewhat but then Rey shot you.

LC red peaked me in Steely Dan but I don't remember if you were in it or what your read of me was.

Do you believe Nutella believes I am scum?

[Dragomir]

I think the most frustrating thing about this is the fact that Everyone Else Knew But Me

And now I’m Scum Because I Was The Only One That Didnt Know

Do you want me to unvote you and give you a second chance?

Make that decision for yourself

But what do you want me to do?

I want you to decide for yourself lol. Like if you’re so sure I scum slipped, leave it. If you’re not, take it off. It’s literally up to you

I shall give you another chance. Back into my soft town reads you go into.

[Luxurious]

So town was just ass the entire game?

Yeah if ryast flipped scum then like, people needed to be replaced I think

I know Lissa was freaking out about Heroic for sure and considering it was already day 4 and the game was pretty hopeless for town she felt really bad about it

Luckily he was town so game ended

[Sloonei]

Oh. I think I know what you’re asking.

I never know for sure what anyone’s alignment is while I’m ISOing them. So if I see points for either side, I mention it. I don’t give a rat’s ass about looking “wishywashy.” Nutella will tella you that’s the area she lives in. Civilians should be uncertain of themselves and should consider both sides.

It’s when people state suspicions limply and without conviction that “wishywashy” behavior looks bad.

I think being wishy washy is trying not to get your hands too dirty. But I guess being too firm and open to a bunch of things can be bad. Kinda reminds me of the salad scum tell which was mentioned last game.

It’s all dependent on context.

If dunya posts a big long spiel where she identifies possible scenarios for the player she’s ISOing to be either town of scum without committing to one side of the other, that’s good wishywashy.

If JaggedJimmyJay says “well maybe this person is possibly bad because of this but I don’t know, don’t look at me, go away”, that’s bas wishywashy.

It’s about the thought process more than anything else.

[Dragomir]

Wilgy's posts so far have been contentless and just a bunch of fluffing. Vastly different from how he played last game which he subbed into late game but was still engaging with the players and trying to produce.

I don't really care if his posts were all in D0, doesn't mean anything. One can still try and do a bunch of townie things in D0, you just can't lynch anybody.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[Sloonei]

Like Nutella knows way better than to think me not posting is scum indicative.

She was my teammate for Mass Effect and I never coasted. I recently soloed two mafia wins after my whole team was lynched with pure WIM.

There is no way town Nutella decides I'm scum because I'm not posting enough. This is not a thing.

I remember catching you a couple times semi-recently, but I forget what the clues were.

Remind me to dig up your skeletons later.

Catching me?

You were convinced I was town in Hogwarts because my play didn't make sense as a mafia member...and it didn't. I gave out too many townreads that didn't lead to enough mislynches for my team to score a victory.

IIRC, you suspected me in SHP somewhat but then Rey shot you.

LC red peaked me in Steely Dan but I don't remember if you were in it or what your read of me was.

Do you believe Nutella believes I am scum?

I caught you early in Hogwarts and then went back on it.

Shockheaded Peter was the other example I was thinking of, yeah.

I did not play in Steely Dan.

I can believe a reality in which nutella’s suspicion of you is legitimate right now. That doesn’t have to mean she’s right.