Arrowverse Mafia - Day 8

[Luxurious]

If Nutella survives the night, a friendly reminder that there are two bulletproof baddies.

Inb4 the vig ignores nutella.

Also the SK kills tonight too, so there is a big chance at least one of the 3 kills may be stopped and we won't know which one.

This is an interesting point with day start

[Luxurious]

We should just have no flips for the Consistency

[Epignosis]

Dragomir isn't much on my list. Can you elaborate Mr. Wilgy?

Well... This is mostly action based reading.

Yesterday diring the scramble, mataharis wagon formed I beleive after Hazlenut, Lux, and Coolers.

I think it's very likely that Mataharis wagon formed in response to cooler being up to lynch making them likely teammate incompatible. (This is of course could also apply to Mattaharis relationship with Lux and Hazlenut if they are bad).

One of the key pushers for this was Dragomir and at the time I couldn't blame him. Matahari looked scrambling and I agreed. Though in this exchange I asked Dargomir who was the 2nd most scrambly (which many were, it wasn't a trick question) to which he responded idk.

This indicates to me that dragomir was not hunting, more so pushing. Answering anyone would've indicated hunting and analysis, but that was not done.

Dragomir was in effort to save a teammate.

Well, if Dragomir were Zoom's teammate, I doubt we'd see him lynched today.

[Luxurious]

I havent read the last couple pages so idk if I would have been persuaded to join the cooler train, I guess if I were in danger I would have. I was strongly considering voting ddl though it wouldn't have mattered.

I didn't realize there was a four way tie including mata at one point. Now that I've read that I think I might have gone for mata but I can't really be sure because that's an alternate universe. But cooler turned out to be bad so it may be a blessing in disguise that I wasn't there in case I would have chosen mata and she's town after all (not that I'm discounting the possibility she still could be).

Hey nutella what’s the purpose of this?

Like, why go through who you would lynch should you have been here?

[Luxurious]

Dragomir isn't much on my list. Can you elaborate Mr. Wilgy?

Well... This is mostly action based reading.

Yesterday diring the scramble, mataharis wagon formed I beleive after Hazlenut, Lux, and Coolers.

I think it's very likely that Mataharis wagon formed in response to cooler being up to lynch making them likely teammate incompatible. (This is of course could also apply to Mattaharis relationship with Lux and Hazlenut if they are bad).

One of the key pushers for this was Dragomir and at the time I couldn't blame him. Matahari looked scrambling and I agreed. Though in this exchange I asked Dargomir who was the 2nd most scrambly (which many were, it wasn't a trick question) to which he responded idk.

This indicates to me that dragomir was not hunting, more so pushing. Answering anyone would've indicated hunting and analysis, but that was not done.

Dragomir was in effort to save a teammate.

Well, if Dragomir were Zoom's teammate, I doubt we'd see him lynched today.

I feel like there’s a joke here that went right over my head

So why’s that?

[Epignosis]

At the risk of reminding mafia they have this power (and I'm going to double down on that risk in a moment), I want to point out that Zoom's team has Reverse Flash.

Reverse Flash can stop the Day phase early on one occasion. That equals an automatic lynch in favor of their faction.

It was not used.

What does that mean?

[Luxurious]

I moved my vote to Cooler as a self pres. I had four votes, Cooler had 4, and Lux had 3 or 4.
Sloonei- okay, you get it right sometimes. But you’re wrong about me.
Epig- I hope you change your mind.

It was 4-4-4-4 across the board

Why move to Cooler > Nutella then

[Luxurious]

At the risk of reminding mafia they have this power (and I'm going to double down on that risk in a moment), I want to point out that Zoom's team has Reverse Flash.

Reverse Flash can stop the Day phase early on one occasion. That equals an automatic lynch in favor of their faction.

It was not used.

What does that mean?

They werent worried about being lynched and didnt forsee Cooler getting hit?

[Luxurious]

There’s also the possibility that one of their teammates were up for the lynch all day (me!!!) but that’s not true so Idk

[Luxurious]

They like me a lot and didnt wanna see me die?

[Epignosis]

There’s also the possibility that one of their teammates were up for the lynch all day (me!!!) but that’s not true so Idk

[Luxurious]

There’s also the possibility that ending the day early would out that another one of the lynch candidates was a TeamMate

[Luxurious]

There’s also the possibility that one of their teammates were up for the lynch all day (me!!!) but that’s not true so Idk

/shrug

[Luxurious]

I'm not happy.

Dragomir why are you unhappy about a scum being lynched

Even with little info we still got one?

[Luxurious]

I moved my vote to Cooler as a self pres. I had four votes, Cooler had 4, and Lux had 3 or 4.
Sloonei- okay, you get it right sometimes. But you’re wrong about me.
Epig- I hope you change your mind.

Why did you choose cooler over lux?

Her vote was already on me Slooney

[Luxurious]

I moved my vote to Cooler as a self pres. I had four votes, Cooler had 4, and Lux had 3 or 4.
Sloonei- okay, you get it right sometimes. But you’re wrong about me.
Epig- I hope you change your mind.

Why did you choose cooler over lux?

Her vote was already on me Slooney

While I’m also curious as to the answer it’s like

She was on me

The votes were 4-4-4-4

She moved off me and it became like 5-4-3-4

So my real concern is why not nutella

[Epignosis]

These are the scenarios:

Scenario the First: The Speedy team is Slow and thus not paying attention to anything. Nobody is participating in their chat (as I've seen happen often), and which has evidence in the fact that Cooler, a very low poster, was nabbed. This would imply inactive or indecisive mafia members.

Scenario the Second: The Speedy team is Crafty and is very much paying attention. There are variations on this. One is that Cooler was dead weight, and the team saw fit not to waste a precious ability on him. One is that a more active teammate was in the lurch (hello Lux, hello Mata) and the team had no opportunity to use the ability. One of that the opportunity for a credibility grab was more important than the teammate.

Scenario the Third: You decide.

[Epignosis]

I also have my opinion of the above (and it isn't number three). But talk among yourselves.

[Matahari]

I moved my vote to Cooler as a self pres. I had four votes, Cooler had 4, and Lux had 3 or 4.
Sloonei- okay, you get it right sometimes. But you’re wrong about me.
Epig- I hope you change your mind.

Why did you choose cooler over lux?

Her vote was already on me Slooney

While I’m also curious as to the answer it’s like

She was on me

The votes were 4-4-4-4

She moved off me and it became like 5-4-3-4

So my real concern is why not nutella

When I moved my vote to Cooler, Nutella only had 2 or 3 votes. Cooler was the only one that would have saved me.

[Luxurious]

I’m gonna finish my nutella and dragomir iso’s some time this day phase but I also have stuff I have to do in between so dont expect them as soon as Sloonei can crank them out

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hey quick question

Does this game do flips or does it NOT do flips

Because that’s pretty inconsistent with the fact that we got a flip for Cooler’s lynch yesterday but not one for speed or juliets

Night kills probably mask it.

Jackofhearts2005 how ballsy you feeling m8? I mean. I wont stop you...

[Luxurious]

These are the scenarios:

Scenario the First: The Speedy team is Slow and thus not paying attention to anything. Nobody is participating in their chat (as I've seen happen often), and which has evidence in the fact that Cooler, a very low poster, was nabbed. This would imply inactive or indecisive mafia members.

Scenario the Second: The Speedy team is Crafty and is very much paying attention. There are variations on this. One is that Cooler was dead weight, and the team saw fit not to waste a precious ability on him. One is that a more active teammate was in the lurch (hello Lux, hello Mata) and the team had no opportunity to use the ability. One of that the opportunity for a credibility grab was more important than the teammate.

Scenario the Third: You decide.

Mata wasnt in the Lunch until a cfd happened

So I assume I know where you’re going with this

[Epignosis]

That's a pretty good assumption.

[nutella]

I havent read the last couple pages so idk if I would have been persuaded to join the cooler train, I guess if I were in danger I would have. I was strongly considering voting ddl though it wouldn't have mattered.

I didn't realize there was a four way tie including mata at one point. Now that I've read that I think I might have gone for mata but I can't really be sure because that's an alternate universe. But cooler turned out to be bad so it may be a blessing in disguise that I wasn't there in case I would have chosen mata and she's town after all (not that I'm discounting the possibility she still could be).

Hey nutella what’s the purpose of this?

Like, why go through who you would lynch should you have been here?

Bc I was upset I had missed it and wanted to sort out how I felt on the catch up but it is hard to tell after the fact

[Epignosis]

In the words of a great retired man, "Mondo Garbo."

[Epignosis]

60% of those posts aren't on topic, and the two that are are for Sloonei voting. To me that's trying to appear too aggressive against the guy with the most posts so that you can't possibly look bad...because dude, you're taking swings at the post count leader.

None of that looks genuine to me.

[Epignosis]

And, you know what?

"I don’t know what the fuck is even happening right now."

You heard here second folks.

[Epignosis]

I think Team Speed is really Team Tardy.

[Luxurious]

I havent read the last couple pages so idk if I would have been persuaded to join the cooler train, I guess if I were in danger I would have. I was strongly considering voting ddl though it wouldn't have mattered.

I didn't realize there was a four way tie including mata at one point. Now that I've read that I think I might have gone for mata but I can't really be sure because that's an alternate universe. But cooler turned out to be bad so it may be a blessing in disguise that I wasn't there in case I would have chosen mata and she's town after all (not that I'm discounting the possibility she still could be).

Hey nutella what’s the purpose of this?

Like, why go through who you would lynch should you have been here?

Bc I was upset I had missed it and wanted to sort out how I felt on the catch up but it is hard to tell after the fact

Okay this makes me feel a bit better about this post then

[Epignosis]

To be fair, I do believe "I don’t know what the fuck is even happening right now" is genuine.

[Jackofhearts2005]

At the risk of reminding mafia they have this power (and I'm going to double down on that risk in a moment), I want to point out that Zoom's team has Reverse Flash.

Reverse Flash can stop the Day phase early on one occasion. That equals an automatic lynch in favor of their faction.

It was not used.

What does that mean?

Savin it for endgame.

[Epignosis]

Savin it for endgame.

So you're Team Tardy?

[Luxurious]

In the words of a great retired man, "Mondo Garbo."

That was not my assumption

I was about to argue against this but Sloonei did end up as a high voted wagon at one point during the day phase and then daisy never showed up again

I dont think he was ever the Highest but I’m like 95% positive he had at least 3 votes on him

And while there’s a non-zero chance that the two lowest posters could be in a team together it seems kinda like a stretch? Not impossible but not something I think is very likely from a rand standpoint.

Plus that leaves the last member who would have to have been active (or was speed)

[Epignosis]

In the words of a great retired man, "Mondo Garbo."

That was not my assumption

I was about to argue against this but Sloonei did end up as a high voted wagon at one point during the day phase and then daisy never showed up again

I dont think he was ever the Highest but I’m like 95% positive he had at least 3 votes on him

And while there’s a non-zero chance that the two lowest posters could be in a team together it seems kinda like a stretch? Not impossible but not something I think is very likely from a rand standpoint.

Plus that leaves the last member who would have to have been active (or was speed)

It isn't about low-post / high-post.

It's rather about who is and who isn't paying attention to vote shifts.

[Luxurious]

In the idea of a Cooler/Daisy team Epi

Who is the most likely 3rd member in your eyes? (And why)

[Epignosis]

And this is where I double down.

I am not Reverse Flash (or on that team at all, since some of you assholes will nitpick about that).

I do not leave teammates in the lurch if I can help it.

The most important thing your team can do Day 1 is survive. The moment there were votes stacked on someone not on my team, that sucker is going down.

And with all the trigger-happy killers afoot, I wouldn't be hoarding that ability either.

[Epignosis]

In the idea of a Cooler/Daisy team Epi

Who is the most likely 3rd member in your eyes? (And why)

I say put the most votes on Spacedaisy until she participates or uses her power.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like if I’m a reverse flash, I never use that ability to just save anyone but the wolf with that ability.

I use it to lynch a townie that is also a threat. Or if I’m sure about a scumread and need the cred (or to discredit the opposing mafia member) and can get the flip right now. Or we’re approaching endgame and we need to keep the team alive. Or a non teammate just switched the leading wagon from a second non teammate to a third non teammate, killing one enemy and framing two enemies as reverse flashes.

I never use it to save an inactive teammate with a cloak in a game with no info dumping or nk flips. Like Cooler fools the cop. Big deal. He doesn’t get confirmed by claim or the cop’s death. He’s a half step above vanilla goon. Savitar (what are you doing in this show?) can at least provide an extra kill.

But I’m not a reverse flash and I use night powers differently than some syndicaters. It’s perfectly reasonable that some Thawnes would have saved Zoom yesterday if they were around and there was a non reverse flash as an alternative lynch.

Those two scenarios point to basically opposite suspect pools. Players who were getting lynched and players who weren’t around.

[Luxurious]

The only thing this discussion makes me think is that neither jack or epi are on that team

[Sloonei]

At least that's my running theory.

I'm at least sure that one of dragomir or matahari are scum. Their interactions are not civ/civ nor are they teammates. Dragomir just makes more sense in regards to what happened yesterday.

What is “not civ/civ” about those interactions?

[Epignosis]

Like if I’m a reverse flash, I never use that ability to just save anyone but the wolf with that ability.

I use it to lynch a townie that is also a threat. Or if I’m sure about a scumread and need the cred (or to discredit the opposing mafia member) and can get the flip right now. Or we’re approaching endgame and we need to keep the team alive. Or a non teammate just switched the leading wagon from a second non teammate to a third non teammate, killing one enemy and framing two enemies as reverse flashes.

I never use it to save an inactive teammate with a cloak in a game with no info dumping or nk flips. Like Cooler fools the cop. Big deal. He doesn’t get confirmed by claim or the cop’s death. He’s a half step above vanilla goon. Savitar (what are you doing in this show?) can at least provide an extra kill.

But I’m not a reverse flash and I use night powers differently than some syndicaters. It’s perfectly reasonable that some Thawnes would have saved Zoom yesterday if they were around and there was a non reverse flash as an alternative lynch.

Those two scenarios point to basically opposite suspect pools. Players who were getting lynched and players who weren’t around.

There are a number of good points here. My goal as mafia is to get my team past Day 1. A Day 1 lynch is a DEATHSTROKE.

Oh wait. No it isn't. Tee hee.

Right JJJ?

Right?

[Epignosis]

Other people behave differently than me, so I have to live with that though.

[Epignosis]

Still, to me that was a missed opportunity. Someone gets two votes and BAM! You cold cock 'em.

[Epignosis]

Then you buy Cooler some more time or hell, get him replaced if he can't play.

[Epignosis]

I wonder if they have Cooler in the cooler.

[Luxurious]

Still, to me that was a missed opportunity. Someone gets two votes and BAM! You cold cock 'em.

That’s under the assumption that the person being voted isnt a teammate

[Sloonei]

I moved my vote to Cooler as a self pres. I had four votes, Cooler had 4, and Lux had 3 or 4.
Sloonei- okay, you get it right sometimes. But you’re wrong about me.
Epig- I hope you change your mind.

Why did you choose cooler over lux?

Her vote was already on me Slooney

A choice was made to vote for Cooler over you or anyone else. I’d like to know why.

[Epignosis]

Still, to me that was a missed opportunity. Someone gets two votes and BAM! You cold cock 'em.

That’s under the assumption that the person being voted isnt a teammate

Correct, which you're not, right?

[Luxurious]

I moved my vote to Cooler as a self pres. I had four votes, Cooler had 4, and Lux had 3 or 4.
Sloonei- okay, you get it right sometimes. But you’re wrong about me.
Epig- I hope you change your mind.

Why did you choose cooler over lux?

Her vote was already on me Slooney

A choice was made to vote for Cooler over you or anyone else. I’d like to know why.

She already said it was self-pres bro

[Luxurious]

Still, to me that was a missed opportunity. Someone gets two votes and BAM! You cold cock 'em.

That’s under the assumption that the person being voted isnt a teammate

Correct, which you're not, right?