Arrowverse Mafia - Day 8

[Jackofhearts2005]

Somebody. Anybody.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

So, I'm also bothered by the apparent lack of talk about Creature this game.

Yeah, this is scum

Wow

Such OMGUS

Very deflecting

Wow

[Jackofhearts2005]

“What’s Creature’s scum meta, Jack?”

Well he hasn’t been modkilled yet.

[Sloonei]

“What’s Creature’s scum meta, Jack?”

Well he hasn’t been modkilled yet.

Ha ha ha

[Sloonei]

I see that nutella is leading the wagon. I had planned to ISO her next to spite her for saying she doesn’t care about my ISOs, and also because I can’t decide if this an authentic tunnel she’s in or some sort of knockoff, cheap shady labor tunnil.

[Sloonei]

But you see I am tired and watching baseball right now. I’ll get to it soon.

[Epignosis]

But you see I am tired and watching baseball right now. I’ll get to it soon.

What game?

[Sloonei]

But you see I am tired and watching baseball right now. I’ll get to it soon.

What game?

Sox/Astros

Put money on Devers.

[Epignosis]

But you see I am tired and watching baseball right now. I’ll get to it soon.

What game?

Sox/Astros

Put money on Devers.

Bold. Peacock is solid/

[Sloonei]

But you see I am tired and watching baseball right now. I’ll get to it soon.

What game?

Sox/Astros

Put money on Devers.

Bold. Peacock is solid/

Devers is hitting .360 this month and all of it is hard contact.

[MacDougall]

Take baseball talk to the bedroom fellas. This is a mafia thread.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[Sloonei]

Is nutella bad?

I already ISO'd her on Day 0. Here is the post, so I don't have to repeat anything here.

Spoiler: show

@Ultra what does your scum hunting look like? What types of games are you used to playing, mechanics/setup-wise? What kind of pizza did you get earlier?

This is, like, the opposite of what I saw last game.

Also hi guys

What did you see last game?

Ultra has hesitant to interact with the thread, which is why I voted him D1. He spoke mostly to Nova, who was answering whatever was thrown his way. Some weird dependent thing.

This game, Ultra has already made a hot take and claimed that he's going to flex on the thread (not hesitant), and you're buzzing him with questions as if he needs the help. (Where Nova was just whatever about it)

Enough for an early townread on Ultra. Not sure what to think of all your questions yet. Feels kinda like fluff, but it's also something you do with new players.

Yeah basically this.

Yeah

Her first on-topic post is a co-sign of speed's town read on Ultra. Okay.

She then engages in a lot of conversation about why Operation Felicity Claim would not work in this game. Okay.
Questions Epi's Matahari scum read. Okay.

Throws a wet blanket on my attempt to generate discussion about speedchuck. Okay.

Gimme a read on a player right now.

Everyone who starts with M is mafia.
[/quote]This might constitute salad. She explained the reads. I talked about them in my previous ISO. They weren't the best. I'll also note this time around that she criticized MafiaMenace for focusing too much on mechanics, but there is a disproportionate amount of mechanics talk in nutella's own posts thus far. I've yet to see anything in here that is dripping with town juices.

This game is unfolding as a perfect day 0 and injecting gimmicky projects into it is anti-town.

GTH is the perfect game for a supertown deepwolf type to call for. It makes them look busy and shows them where the juicy mislynches are.

What would be the more civilian thing to do is read the thread and find who is bad and burn them alive for it.

Boom. Yeah. I'm mindmelding with you too much rn, you must be a pretty deep wolf

nutella has insisted that my proposal to run a Day 0 GTH exercise was scummy as can be. I don't know if I buy the authenticity of that. She does have at least some precedent to make the argument, seeing as she was just partnered with Jay in the Scrimmage and he wielded the exercise as a tool to control things in that game. But I had never ever encountered any arguments against this thing until I brought it up in this game, and nutella latched onto it tightly. Eh.

Well yeah no I agree with you on that. Maybe this wasn't clear but I suspect him for focusing on mechanics as a reason in itself, not just because of specific things I saw as scummy. Even if I didn't have those little pings (which like you said are pretty circumstantial) I suspect him for the mechanics talk as a general trend.

This seems like potential backed-into-a-corner-word-salad of an explanation

could you elaborate on this in a clear matter

When I originally stated my reason for suspecting MM I said it was because he was focusing on mechanics and that there were parts of that discussion which specifically pinged me. Even disregarding the small specific pings, which both he and Lux dismissed as weak and I concede that they were, I still suspect him for the main reason of generally focusing on mechanics. That make sense?

I still don't like the low hanging fruit "Talking about mechanics" scum read.

If Day 1 started right now my vote would be on nutella.

Your suspicions are gravitating around people focusing too much on mechanics and I don’t see you as a driving force in the thread. You’re reacting rather than creating. It feels safe.

They're not. People have made me talk most about my MM suspicion but it is the weakest of the three, and the others are not mechanics-related.

I always react more than create. You know that. I still have original reads to the extent that I normally would at this stage. Your reason is empty. This is a poopybarf read.

In retrospect, I agree with Day 0 Sloonei. I've seen nothing proactive or inspired from nutella. She's taking half-hearted swings at meatballs over the center of the plate. From this point on I'm gonna try to do this ISO in baseball metaphors.

But seriously @Sloonei Mata is my top suspect right now. Her iso is crap.

Minor League quality read. This was the busiest Day 0 we've had in ages and nutella's top scum read was a person with 3 posts. Yuck.

Sloonei is really overeager about his suspicion of me, he's latching onto everything I say as suspicious in whatever way he can twist it to be. I think he's scum who's really excited to be in a multiball game and taking advantage of the fact that he can still hunt to do it excessively to look town

You know why you’re scum? Cause you’ve accused like four people of being scum and you don’t sound like you believe any of those players are actually bad.

I strongly suspect mata. I less strongly suspect mm and sloonei. I don't really suspect mac anymore. Also that's not even a reasonable argument as I literally just pointed out scum can also have legitimate suspicions in this game lol.

Nutella looks like an American League pitcher at the plate with these reads. I don't see any real effort on her part to promote them. She just repeats them when pushed. Her swings are half-hearted at best. I still do not see any fire in her. And I also don't think matahari had provided enough content to be "strongly" read as anything at this time.

ok, responding to sloonei's post in order

1) not sure what you mean about "downplaying pressure" in the first point. that's just how I felt about you at the time, don't overthink it
2) what? of all the posts in my iso to pick out, you pick a one-off acknowledgment of sprityo that didn't really mean anything. I'm not sure how you got the idea I was implying I suspected him or something, it was just a joke. Like yeah it was a little rib at the fact he hadn't produced much content yet but I think you're overthinking again.
3) I don't think they're lhf. I can see why you'd feel that way about MM, which was my weakest of those suspicions, but mata wasn't really. That was an original read and you better believe it. She's not "in the same category as sprityo" at all wtf that's absolute bull.
4) And how do you expect me to react to suspicion?
5) llama thing is dumb. I'm not scum and you can cross those buns and take them to the bakery.
6) I don't feel like I'm exaggerating your suspicion, that's how it feels to me. and sure I was townreading you until some others, mostly mac, put some pressure on you that I liked the sound of and I didn't AT ALL like how you reacted to that pressure. is there something wrong with my reads evolving due to developing thread content? you are pulling this out of your ass and you know it

I am emphasizing point 6 here because nutella suggests that her read on me at the time was genuine and that she did not like my response to pressure "AT ALL", but I've seen her do 0 things that involve my response to said pressure. I've seen her do 0 things to attempt to read me at all. She has, to and since this point, just reiterated that I'm bad at certain intervals. I've not gotten the sense that she's actually making an effort to develop a read on the player called Sloonei. [Baseball metaphor]

I've absolutely been bold, rude, and in your face this game and how dare you suggest otherwise

This is not true. nutella looks like a scared kid making his Big League debut out here. Afraid to make errors.

well on the one hand I kind of like your lux case, on the other hand I don't like the way you pulled it out of nowhere when the phase officially started after dismissing your suspicion of me. So probably you're both scum

"Sloonei makes a good case, but on the other hand I'd rather concoct a reason to disagree with him without actually challenging him in any meaningful way."

I've reached page 3 of nutella's ISO and have not found one post that displays the typical civilian fire I'm used to from her.

Like yeah I realize I was one of the people saying that before but...nah. We're better than that. No arbitrarily ascribing passes to active slooneis. Nothing is stopping us from just voting for him. He doesn't hold some mystical power over the lynch.

....well it does put me in the lead now but whatev

nutella lead the charge to lynch me on Day 1 after I told Daisy I wasn't going to be lynched. What bothered me about this push was that nutella was not pushing it because of any particular case on me, she was pushing it because she wanted to prove that I could be lynched. If anything, though, this might be the closest I've come in this ISO to reading her as town. This does like passionate, she does seem to care about this push. I just think it's for a very bad reason. And yes, I know she has pushed a suspicion against me all game long previously, but she's not making this push from any of those positions. She's making it from the position that "Sloonei is not unlynchable" and "we are better than that." I would certainly hope that we are better than this.

And then... holy crap, she's been quieter than me since the end of Day 1.

This and this represent some of nutella's thoughts on Matahari Day 2. Actually these are most of her thoughts. She had already voted for Mata, and acknowledges both sides of the argument RE: her behavior, but evidently stays put on the "mata is bad" side of the line, and doesn't really do much else to promote that lynch the rest of the day.
What she does focus on, however, is limply calling for Sloonei to be lynched. Again. No vote was cast. No arguments were presented. No pressure was put on anyone. Minimal acknowledgment was made of the Sabie wagon.

Damn lame result. Even more strongly points to a bad sloonei though imo.

That's the general tone of all her posts since the middle of Day 2. "Sloonei is bad." Over. And Over. And over. nutella has done nothing with this suspicion but bat it around in the air like a beachball making its way through the bleachers of a packed stadium.

Nutella, do town things. Even if I'm your target. Nothing in this ISO looks even remotely inspired. You are coasting through this game. Change that.

[Sloonei]

In answer to my own rhetorical question: Yeah, I think nutella is bad.

[Funnygurl555]

i'm gonna finally read this game (i was super tired last night, and then slept the whole day... i think i took too many sleeping pills)

yeet yeet time to get some WOLVES

also @jackofhearts will do

@creature actually, no. and i hope i can show you why

[Funnygurl555]

before i do do you guys have a multiquote function? i'm gonna need it if ya do

[Sloonei]

Digging for answers to these questions:

Was there anyone who was part of the Matahari wagon that didn't seem interested in moving it forward?

Wilgy provides a unique argument in Matahari's favor early. Good look.
Epi provides an argument which can be taken as a strong case against Mata. I give him credit for presenting a fresh idea, at least.
Lux deflects the anti-Mata slant of Epi's argument.
nutella votes. Nothing new is brought to the table.
Epi provides a counter-argument against my suspicion of Mata. Good look.
Lux continues to defend Mata. Kind of good look, with the caveat that mafia can defend lynchable civilians for retroactive town cred.
Lux again. No one is more anti-Mata lynch early on Day 2 than Lux. For the purposes of this exercise, I'll check that off as a positive.
Mac wants nutella to explain her vote. Good look.
nutella reiterates a point about Matahari to strengthen the case. This is the exact type of post I am looking for in this exercise. Bad look.
nutella waffles. As my ISO points out, this would be the end of nutella's Mata commentary for Day 2. I award her no credit.
DDL refutes Mata directly. Eh. Then he votes. This is also exactly what I'm looking for here. Bad look.
Ultra wants to talk about Matahari. I could go either way on that. I don't believe I delivered on my end of this exchange. Ball: dropped.
Lux[/url responds to Mata in a way that does not indicate a read one way or the other.
[url=http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1773&start=2400#p541065]Lux engages directly with Mata again. Good look.

Who looks worst in this light: nutella, and DDL to a lesser extent. But mostly nutella. Camped on Matahari and made no effort to develop a read on her or anyone during the phase.

Was there anyone who actively or aggressively resisted the Sabie wagon?

sprit introduces us all to Suspect Sabie with an unannounced vote.
Jack provides Very Light token resistance. But then he's on board shortly after. We now have A Wagon.
nutella says what. I don't blame her.
nutella says ???. I still don't blame her.
Ultra thinks Sabie made a bad post.
Creature and Mac disagree.
Ultra articulates his read. Ultra is not sabie's teammate.
Lux distrusts the Sabie wagon.
Epi expresses more measured doubt about it.
Lux votes for sprityo. Lux looks very good in Question 1, less good in Question 2.
Long Con votes Sabie late in the day.

Who looks worst in this light: Luxurious. She was the most vocal opponent to sprityo. No one but Jack was fully on board, but most everyone else at least considered sprit's angle. Lux just threw dirt at him and pushed other suspects (Dragomir mostly). Also, Dragomir himself was pushing other suspects (Ultra and nutella) around the time sprit came in, but I wouldn't argue for a strong connection there.

So... the people I already suspected come out looking worst in this exercise. Lux looked very good for her Mata treatment, though, and resisting sprityo for giving us nothing to work with is understandable. But Lux's reaction was a bit too harsh. But then I have to wonder if she'd resist that strongly if she was sabie's partner.

I'd vote nutella at this point, but I don't like lopsided polls before the end of the day.

[Sloonei]

i'm gonna finally read this game (i was super tired last night, and then slept the whole day... i think i took too many sleeping pills)

yeet yeet time to get some WOLVES

also @jackofhearts will do

@creature actually, no. and i hope i can show you why

Reading the whole thing might not be the most effective method of integrating yourself into the game at this point. There's a lot of words in there. I don't want to stop you if you have the time and attention span for that, but I don't think it's always necessary to try to read every single post in every game. Do what you gotta do and don't be afraid to toss out thoughts as they come to you. Welcome aboard.

before i do do you guys have a multiquote function? i'm gonna need it if ya do

Yes, but it's kind of complicated and not the best. You can quote things directly from the Post Reply page by scrolling down to the bottom and viewing recent posts under the "Topic review: Arrowverse Mafia" heading.

An easier method is just having a second tab open to Copy & Paste posts into that you'd like to quote.

[Sloonei]

i should proofread my big posts before i hit submit.

[Luxurious]

“I can think of no incentive for speedsters to kill sabie”

Like okay maybe if it wasnt you Sloonei saying that I would believe it but

With the day 0 discussion about cults and then deathstroke and then the out of place push by sprityo with little else but “trust me I got this”

Like obviously scum is gonna want an extra kill they cant control out of their way, especially one that cant win with them

So like, i kinda doubt you wouldnt have figured that out yourself

Mafia team: “Hey let’s kill the player most likely to be lynched or taken out by the town vigilante next.”

Just lynch me if you’re gonna react this way to all my posts.

I like the irony that you kept insisting day 2 that scum make mistakes but only if they make mistakes in a way you’re comfortable with

[Sloonei]

“I can think of no incentive for speedsters to kill sabie”

Like okay maybe if it wasnt you Sloonei saying that I would believe it but

With the day 0 discussion about cults and then deathstroke and then the out of place push by sprityo with little else but “trust me I got this”

Like obviously scum is gonna want an extra kill they cant control out of their way, especially one that cant win with them

So like, i kinda doubt you wouldnt have figured that out yourself

Mafia team: “Hey let’s kill the player most likely to be lynched or taken out by the town vigilante next.”

Just lynch me if you’re gonna react this way to all my posts.

I like the irony that you kept insisting day 2 that scum make mistakes but only if they make mistakes in a way you’re comfortable with

Mafia make mistakes in that they sometimes slip up or make inauthentic posts or overlook things.
Mafia do not make mistakes by killing the last player they should kill.

I already explained this point anyway.
Talk about something else.

[Luxurious]

“I can think of no incentive for speedsters to kill sabie”

Like okay maybe if it wasnt you Sloonei saying that I would believe it but

With the day 0 discussion about cults and then deathstroke and then the out of place push by sprityo with little else but “trust me I got this”

Like obviously scum is gonna want an extra kill they cant control out of their way, especially one that cant win with them

So like, i kinda doubt you wouldnt have figured that out yourself

When you have a team of 2, you will take sk shots that will likely hit other players.

Sloonei didn’t want Sabie dead. So maybe he’s in the LoA but surely not the group that killed Sabie.

The speedsters might have targeted the sker I’d say, you were calling the shots.

Why???

[Funnygurl555]

i'm gonna finally read this game (i was super tired last night, and then slept the whole day... i think i took too many sleeping pills)

yeet yeet time to get some WOLVES

also @jackofhearts will do

@creature actually, no. and i hope i can show you why

Reading the whole thing might not be the most effective method of integrating yourself into the game at this point. There's a lot of words in there. I don't want to stop you if you have the time and attention span for that, but I don't think it's always necessary to try to read every single post in every game. Do what you gotta do and don't be afraid to toss out thoughts as they come to you. Welcome aboard.

before i do do you guys have a multiquote function? i'm gonna need it if ya do

Yes, but it's kind of complicated and not the best. You can quote things directly from the Post Reply page by scrolling down to the bottom and viewing recent posts under the "Topic review: Arrowverse Mafia" heading.

An easier method is just having a second tab open to Copy & Paste posts into that you'd like to quote.

alright, thanks sloonei!

and i'll read what i can. i just feel like i need as much context as possible, especially since i haven't played with any of you

[Luxurious]

“I can think of no incentive for speedsters to kill sabie”

Like okay maybe if it wasnt you Sloonei saying that I would believe it but

With the day 0 discussion about cults and then deathstroke and then the out of place push by sprityo with little else but “trust me I got this”

Like obviously scum is gonna want an extra kill they cant control out of their way, especially one that cant win with them

So like, i kinda doubt you wouldnt have figured that out yourself

Mafia team: “Hey let’s kill the player most likely to be lynched or taken out by the town vigilante next.”

Just lynch me if you’re gonna react this way to all my posts.

I like the irony that you kept insisting day 2 that scum make mistakes but only if they make mistakes in a way you’re comfortable with

Mafia make mistakes in that they sometimes slip up or make inauthentic posts or overlook things.
Mafia do not make mistakes by killing the last player they should kill.

I already explained this point anyway.
Talk about something else.

The issue here is more of the fact that you kept brushing my ideas off because

Yeah they do! All the time! And your inability to even consider the other possibility of these things occurring see: Town doing weird things that look and are scummy and then taking the low hanging fruit instead. Or scum making stupid kills.

Does not sit well with me

Anyway I’m responding to notifications so I’ll look for this when I’m done

[Sloonei]

“I can think of no incentive for speedsters to kill sabie”

Like okay maybe if it wasnt you Sloonei saying that I would believe it but

With the day 0 discussion about cults and then deathstroke and then the out of place push by sprityo with little else but “trust me I got this”

Like obviously scum is gonna want an extra kill they cant control out of their way, especially one that cant win with them

So like, i kinda doubt you wouldnt have figured that out yourself

Mafia team: “Hey let’s kill the player most likely to be lynched or taken out by the town vigilante next.”

Just lynch me if you’re gonna react this way to all my posts.

I like the irony that you kept insisting day 2 that scum make mistakes but only if they make mistakes in a way you’re comfortable with

Mafia make mistakes in that they sometimes slip up or make inauthentic posts or overlook things.
Mafia do not make mistakes by killing the last player they should kill.

I already explained this point anyway.
Talk about something else.

The issue here is more of the fact that you kept brushing my ideas off because

Yeah they do! All the time! And your inability to even consider the other possibility of these things occurring see: Town doing weird things that look and are scummy and then taking the low hanging fruit instead. Or scum making stupid kills.

Does not sit well with me

Anyway I’m responding to notifications so I’ll look for this when I’m done

The mafia team did not kill Sabie. That is my point. You'll get there soon enough.

[Luxurious]

Please put more votes on inactives and tie them up while we discuss the Day.

I mean the fact that they acted last night and made the kill they did kinda has a frame of mind for this but at the same time I wouldnt say they were like

Inactive enough to just not show up day 2? Like they were probably itt at some point during the day phase

Also why the switch from Spacedaisy to the substitute then?

[Luxurious]

Ugh autocorrect

“if say” not “I’d say”

Oh okay this makes more sense

[Luxurious]

Thea Queen
She may start out as Oliver's spoiled little sister, but she proves to be quite deadly under the right circumstances. The first time she is targeted for a night kill, it rebounds on the killer.

This is what I was referring to when I said I could see no incentive for the Speedsters to target Sabie. I would guess that she targeted Thea and hit herself instead.

So now I have to wonder whether Lux is completely full of baloney for shading me the way that she did. I'll circle back to that once I've sat on it a bit more. Just putting a pin in this while I go look at other things.

Considering how this game is I feel like we would’ve seen her in the flavor?

Because from how i read it it sounded like the 3-way scuffle was: Sabie, Speedster, Oliver Queen

The only other person named was Wells but that one i kinda blew off since i couldnt figure out what exactly was being said about it.

But i get the feeling you would know more about how this site does night kill results? Like is something like that common since it was a passive it just didnt get mentioned?

[sprityo]

if at all possible given the lack of content from those dead, in the world where it's cooler, sabie, and the last mafia

who is mystery man/woman number 3?

[Sloonei]

Thea Queen
She may start out as Oliver's spoiled little sister, but she proves to be quite deadly under the right circumstances. The first time she is targeted for a night kill, it rebounds on the killer.

This is what I was referring to when I said I could see no incentive for the Speedsters to target Sabie. I would guess that she targeted Thea and hit herself instead.

So now I have to wonder whether Lux is completely full of baloney for shading me the way that she did. I'll circle back to that once I've sat on it a bit more. Just putting a pin in this while I go look at other things.

Considering how this game is I feel like we would’ve seen her in the flavor?

Because from how i read it it sounded like the 3-way scuffle was: Sabie, Speedster, Oliver Queen

The only other person named was Wells but that one i kinda blew off since i couldnt figure out what exactly was being said about it.

But i get the feeling you would know more about how this site does night kill results? Like is something like that common since it was a passive it just didnt get mentioned?

I don't read the host write ups as anything more than flavor. I don't think there's clues in them.

[sprityo]

Thea Queen
She may start out as Oliver's spoiled little sister, but she proves to be quite deadly under the right circumstances. The first time she is targeted for a night kill, it rebounds on the killer.

This is what I was referring to when I said I could see no incentive for the Speedsters to target Sabie. I would guess that she targeted Thea and hit herself instead.

So now I have to wonder whether Lux is completely full of baloney for shading me the way that she did. I'll circle back to that once I've sat on it a bit more. Just putting a pin in this while I go look at other things.

Considering how this game is I feel like we would’ve seen her in the flavor?

Because from how i read it it sounded like the 3-way scuffle was: Sabie, Speedster, Oliver Queen

The only other person named was Wells but that one i kinda blew off since i couldnt figure out what exactly was being said about it.

But i get the feeling you would know more about how this site does night kill results? Like is something like that common since it was a passive it just didnt get mentioned?

I don't read the host write ups as anything more than flavor. I don't think there's clues in them.

^^^^ yeah, im not a big fan of making flavor, relevant to a role if my setup isnt revealing said role

[Luxurious]

Returning to Lux. @sprityo tell me what you think about these posts:

THANK YOU, jesus now i can get off my grandstand with this act

the downside is now i have to start playing

Upside

Odd that she was killed by the town vig AND the mafia team. I can think of no incentive for the speedsters to want to kill sabie.

I dont believe that tbh

“I can think of no incentive for speedsters to kill sabie”

Like okay maybe if it wasnt you Sloonei saying that I would believe it but

With the day 0 discussion about cults and then deathstroke and then the out of place push by sprityo with little else but “trust me I got this”

Like obviously scum is gonna want an extra kill they cant control out of their way, especially one that cant win with them

So like, i kinda doubt you wouldnt have figured that out yourself

If we treat Sabie's death as accidentally self-inflicted, how do we then treat Lux's hardcore belittling of my suggestion that Sabie makes no sense as a speedster kill target?

"The mob is rising" against me, to quote Long Con. This shade from Lux hit me as absolutely preposterous at the time, but it seems we've entered a phase where it's okay to throw shade at every word that I say. Is Lux just nefariously piling onto that so she can potentially remove my voice from the thread, or at least discredit it? Or is this a sincere read from her?

Lol

[Sloonei]

if at all possible given the lack of content from those dead, in the world where it's cooler, sabie, and the last mafia

who is mystery man/woman number 3?

There's a lot of people I could see filling that role, but I'm not confident enough to name anyone just yet. Interactive ISOs will be on the menu tomorrow.

[Luxurious]

Thea Queen
She may start out as Oliver's spoiled little sister, but she proves to be quite deadly under the right circumstances. The first time she is targeted for a night kill, it rebounds on the killer.

This is what I was referring to when I said I could see no incentive for the Speedsters to target Sabie. I would guess that she targeted Thea and hit herself instead.

So now I have to wonder whether Lux is completely full of baloney for shading me the way that she did. I'll circle back to that once I've sat on it a bit more. Just putting a pin in this while I go look at other things.

Considering how this game is I feel like we would’ve seen her in the flavor?

Because from how i read it it sounded like the 3-way scuffle was: Sabie, Speedster, Oliver Queen

The only other person named was Wells but that one i kinda blew off since i couldnt figure out what exactly was being said about it.

But i get the feeling you would know more about how this site does night kill results? Like is something like that common since it was a passive it just didnt get mentioned?

I don't read the host write ups as anything more than flavor. I don't think there's clues in them.

^^^^ yeah, im not a big fan of making flavor, relevant to a role if my setup isnt revealing said role

I hate flavor clues this was just the bare bones of people I absolutely know acted last night and taking it at face value.

But alright I’ll drop it considering it seems to match up well with your idea

[Funnygurl555]

page 2 and i'm already townreading myself.

amazing

[Luxurious]

Thea Queen
She may start out as Oliver's spoiled little sister, but she proves to be quite deadly under the right circumstances. The first time she is targeted for a night kill, it rebounds on the killer.

This is what I was referring to when I said I could see no incentive for the Speedsters to target Sabie. I would guess that she targeted Thea and hit herself instead.

So now I have to wonder whether Lux is completely full of baloney for shading me the way that she did. I'll circle back to that once I've sat on it a bit more. Just putting a pin in this while I go look at other things.

Ohh huh. That makes sense I guess.

anyway I don't care for your pointless high-effort iso posts today. creature is probably your teammate lol

This post sucks

Like i dont care for them either but it still looks like he’s making efforts even if they are all against me.

And the tack on of creature at the end feels opportunistic

[Luxurious]

Also, sabie12 didn't show up to be dead in OP.

What makes her town in your eyes considering you didnt think she died

[Luxurious]

Idk sloonei i have a very back and forth read on you because half of it is tinfoil

The other half is baseball metaphors

[Sloonei]

Idk sloonei i have a very back and forth read on you because half of it is tinfoil

The other half is baseball metaphors

I really tried to knock it out of the park with those.

[Jackofhearts2005]

if at all possible given the lack of content from those dead, in the world where it's cooler, sabie, and the last mafia

who is mystery man/woman number 3?

Nutella, Epi both make sense in that world.

[Funnygurl555]

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nutella's a wolf

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

[Sloonei]

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nutella's a wolf

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

why?

[Funnygurl555]

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nutella's a wolf

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

not participating yet still commenting in thread. she voiced a really thin defense of matahari ("huh?") when someone voiced suspicions

[Sloonei]

if at all possible given the lack of content from those dead, in the world where it's cooler, sabie, and the last mafia

who is mystery man/woman number 3?

Nutella, Epi both make sense in that world.

That Sabie was the one performing the kill last night would suggest that she was maybe regarded as the more expendable of the two, and/or that her remaining partner is in a safer position/had more to lose by sticking their neck out for the kill.

That can be just about anyone, really. But these two would fit the bill, I suppose. I don't think Epi is a speedster though.

[Jackofhearts2005]

if at all possible given the lack of content from those dead, in the world where it's cooler, sabie, and the last mafia

who is mystery man/woman number 3?

Nutella, Epi both make sense in that world.

That Sabie was the one performing the kill last night would suggest that she was maybe regarded as the more expendable of the two, and/or that her remaining partner is in a safer position/had more to lose by sticking their neck out for the kill.

That can be just about anyone, really. But these two would fit the bill, I suppose. I don't think Epi is a speedster though.

Imagine Epi is Savitar. He goes back and forth on his willingness to lynch Cooler but can’t stop the late switch onto him. He’s annoyed that Sabie wasn’t around to end the day. Sprityo and Jack try to lynch Sabie and Epi doesn’t follow because he doesn’t have confidence in them (even though we’re both obviously town). Convenient!

Sabie makes the kill (as the more expendable role and the more in danger player) and it reflects back to her and she gets vig killed.

Now, Epi is alone and now, he wants to lynch quiet players who won’t defend themselves. The Cooler lynch really did go through because Thawne wasn’t around. But Thawne is dead.

Why do you think Epi is not a speedster?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m not certain about that, though. I’m certain Nutella is bad and that’s where I’m voting.

[Sloonei]

if at all possible given the lack of content from those dead, in the world where it's cooler, sabie, and the last mafia

who is mystery man/woman number 3?

Nutella, Epi both make sense in that world.

That Sabie was the one performing the kill last night would suggest that she was maybe regarded as the more expendable of the two, and/or that her remaining partner is in a safer position/had more to lose by sticking their neck out for the kill.

That can be just about anyone, really. But these two would fit the bill, I suppose. I don't think Epi is a speedster though.

Imagine Epi is Savitar. He goes back and forth on his willingness to lynch Cooler but can’t stop the late switch onto him. He’s annoyed that Sabie wasn’t around to end the day. Sprityo and Jack try to lynch Sabie and Epi doesn’t follow because he doesn’t have confidence in them (even though we’re both obviously town). Convenient!

Sabie makes the kill (as the more expendable role and the more in danger player) and it reflects back to her and she gets vig killed.

Now, Epi is alone and now, he wants to lynch quiet players who won’t defend themselves. The Cooler lynch really did go through because Thawne wasn’t around. But Thawne is dead.

Why do you think Epi is not a speedster?

I think the way he's gone on about the reverse flash is not something he would do if he was a member of the team that has the ability. He also has backed off the inactives push more recently.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If Nutella is unlynchable Liam Neison, I’m gonna be kinda annoyed.

[Jackofhearts2005]

if at all possible given the lack of content from those dead, in the world where it's cooler, sabie, and the last mafia

who is mystery man/woman number 3?

Nutella, Epi both make sense in that world.

That Sabie was the one performing the kill last night would suggest that she was maybe regarded as the more expendable of the two, and/or that her remaining partner is in a safer position/had more to lose by sticking their neck out for the kill.

That can be just about anyone, really. But these two would fit the bill, I suppose. I don't think Epi is a speedster though.

Imagine Epi is Savitar. He goes back and forth on his willingness to lynch Cooler but can’t stop the late switch onto him. He’s annoyed that Sabie wasn’t around to end the day. Sprityo and Jack try to lynch Sabie and Epi doesn’t follow because he doesn’t have confidence in them (even though we’re both obviously town). Convenient!

Sabie makes the kill (as the more expendable role and the more in danger player) and it reflects back to her and she gets vig killed.

Now, Epi is alone and now, he wants to lynch quiet players who won’t defend themselves. The Cooler lynch really did go through because Thawne wasn’t around. But Thawne is dead.

Why do you think Epi is not a speedster?

I think the way he's gone on about the reverse flash is not something he would do if he was a member of the team that has the ability. He also has backed off the inactives push more recently.

If everyone assumes that ability is still in the game but Epi knows it isn’t, it’s a wonderful little goose chase to lead the town on. You’re giving him credit for hunting for a thing baddie Epi would know doesn’t exist and anyone hunting for it is not going to look at Epi.

[Sloonei]

if at all possible given the lack of content from those dead, in the world where it's cooler, sabie, and the last mafia

who is mystery man/woman number 3?

Nutella, Epi both make sense in that world.

That Sabie was the one performing the kill last night would suggest that she was maybe regarded as the more expendable of the two, and/or that her remaining partner is in a safer position/had more to lose by sticking their neck out for the kill.

That can be just about anyone, really. But these two would fit the bill, I suppose. I don't think Epi is a speedster though.

Imagine Epi is Savitar. He goes back and forth on his willingness to lynch Cooler but can’t stop the late switch onto him. He’s annoyed that Sabie wasn’t around to end the day. Sprityo and Jack try to lynch Sabie and Epi doesn’t follow because he doesn’t have confidence in them (even though we’re both obviously town). Convenient!

Sabie makes the kill (as the more expendable role and the more in danger player) and it reflects back to her and she gets vig killed.

Now, Epi is alone and now, he wants to lynch quiet players who won’t defend themselves. The Cooler lynch really did go through because Thawne wasn’t around. But Thawne is dead.

Why do you think Epi is not a speedster?

I think the way he's gone on about the reverse flash is not something he would do if he was a member of the team that has the ability. He also has backed off the inactives push more recently.

If everyone assumes that ability is still in the game but Epi knows it isn’t, it’s a wonderful little goose chase to lead the town on. You’re giving him credit for hunting for a thing baddie Epi would know doesn’t exist and anyone hunting for it is not going to look at Epi.

I'm going back to yesterday as well. He has been pushing this since early Day 2. I don't think he'd be doing that if he was a member of that team.