Arrowverse Mafia - Day 8

[Long Con]

if it happens right now... I'm going outside to do some work

[Long Con]

I'm going to follow Luffy's lead and vote for Colin. [VOTE: Colin] aubergine

[Sloonei]

I spent a huge chunk of the early portion of this game talking with Dragomir and at no point did I feel like he was fabricating anything. It would be difficult for me to vote for that slot.

[Sloonei]

I spent a huge chunk of the early portion of this game talking with Dragomir and at no point did I feel like he was fabricating anything. It would be difficult for me to vote for that slot.

+ I don't think the theory that he is Sara holds any water.

[Dyslexicon]

I don't mind lynching Colin, probably more for inactivity. Imo saying "I can turn into scum" if you are town is anti-town though, as in not playing to your wincon. But maybe that's just me. It's probably above average to lynch someone who's being inactive given the no kills.

I don't know much about DDL in general. He's around.
[VOTE:
Colin] aubergine

Point to where I said that please?

Lol you didn't, but that's how some interpreted it.

[Dyslexicon]

I could vote Dizzy but I doubt if I can lynch Dizzy.

What does this mean?

[Dyslexicon]

yeah, dyslexicon doesn't look townie, but a rule for me is to not lynch someone the first day they arrive, so i'm not gonna join that wagon

still think ddl is wolfy though. think that guy's gotta go. even his sod d4 play was sketchy

Can you expand how I "don't look townie" in your own words?

[Dyslexicon]

It means I don't think piling up votes on Dizzy will cause him to be lynched.

Oh lol. It will. Pile them on. =P

[Dyslexicon]

I don't have a policy against lynching a replacement right away. Sorry Diz. [VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

That's fine. But what's your reason?

[Dyslexicon]

Well for one, he is really playing the outed baddie who doesn't give a damn.

I do? That is a wrong reading.

[Dyslexicon]

All the assumptions about me are funny. I come in to the game and I understand Creature was suspicious and that's fine. But I don't know what you are expecting of me as town. If I'm being a distraction I'm totally ok being lynched. I only just came into the game, haven't read mostly any of it, so it's not like I feel I have 1) feelings of investment and 2) clear perspectives.

So here's what I see. The red team have all been lynched, and the green team is still alive, and it could be anywhere from one to three. None of the players lynching red team are cleared from that. I know I'm town, lots of people voting me, mostly for Creature replacing out.

So what I would suggest looking at is 1) has anyone changed in activity/pushing from when they were hunting red team?
2) I don't really think all the really specific assumptions and theories about "x is y role" are very helpful. Maybe that's a preference thing. I'd rather just focus on scum/not scum myself.

Sloonei is being a bit cold and dismissive.

Mac is defending me. Don't know why. But I also don't find it suspicious. Doesn't feel like something scum would have to do.

I actually like funnygirl's reaction to me the least. Being fine to lynch me for "not being townie" without explaining that. But not voting me herself. Endorsing it and painting me scum is just as effective when almost everyone is ok with lynching me. So I don't like that.

I think I still like how DDL treated me when I first came in. It looks like he is hunting green team specifically, so probably not green team himself.

[Dyslexicon]

And I didn't fully catch up cause I got carried away.

[Dyslexicon]

I was not aware of Diz playing an outed baddie. Ok. At least a lynch will prove it? I dunno, is it better to lynch a Civ?

Wtf. This is why the assumptions don't help. This is dumb.

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Funnygirl] aubergine

[Dyslexicon]

Long con is probably town. That's an actual read haha

[Dyslexicon]

Wait. Actually. LC, if you think I played as outed scum, why would you NOT vote me? o.o

[Dyslexicon]

Does Jack usually not vote before late in the day?

[Dyslexicon]

Nobody around?

[Sloonei]

Nobody around?

Hello

[Dyslexicon]

Nobody around?

Hello

[Sloonei]

This day feels very lazy. I haven’t done much to fix that. I will soon.

[Sloonei]

Nobody around?

Hello

Yes I do, it’s your player slot I’m iffy about.

[Dyslexicon]

This day feels very lazy. I haven’t done much to fix that. I will soon.

I mean, I would say this - So I'm fine being the lynch of the day. Rather that before I get invested in the game. It doesn't feel like my game. But I would encourage something more than loose assumptions about such and such being a specific role.

Also, I really don't mean to be lazy myself. But I do not have a good grasp on this game, and I would think it's pretty obvious why. I haven't even seen all the players in this game post. So I have what I have.

[Dyslexicon]

I'm going to bed. Good night.

[Sloonei]

This day feels very lazy. I haven’t done much to fix that. I will soon.

I mean, I would say this - So I'm fine being the lynch of the day. Rather that before I get invested in the game. It doesn't feel like my game. But I would encourage something more than loose assumptions about such and such being a specific role.

Also, I really don't mean to be lazy myself. But I do not have a good grasp on this game, and I would think it's pretty obvious why. I haven't even seen all the players in this game post. So I have what I have.

It is difficult for you to get integrated into the game at this stage when no one else is doing anything.

[MacDougall]

Lux has gone from a presence to not one since the demise of the speedsters.

[Long Con]

Wait. Actually. LC, if you think I played as outed scum, why would you NOT vote me? o.o

Because the outed scum in this theory is a currently unlynchable one.

[Sloonei]

What has everyone done since the Speedsters were eliminated?

Creature did not make a post after nutella was lynched. Dyslexicon subbed in at the start of this day phase and started off with a bunch of orientation questions. That makes sense. Dizzy didn't really start sharing reads until earlier today, with a couple votes on Colin and then Ultra, and then eventually this post:

All the assumptions about me are funny. I come in to the game and I understand Creature was suspicious and that's fine. But I don't know what you are expecting of me as town. If I'm being a distraction I'm totally ok being lynched. I only just came into the game, haven't read mostly any of it, so it's not like I feel I have 1) feelings of investment and 2) clear perspectives.

So here's what I see. The red team have all been lynched, and the green team is still alive, and it could be anywhere from one to three. None of the players lynching red team are cleared from that. I know I'm town, lots of people voting me, mostly for Creature replacing out.

So what I would suggest looking at is 1) has anyone changed in activity/pushing from when they were hunting red team?
2) I don't really think all the really specific assumptions and theories about "x is y role" are very helpful. Maybe that's a preference thing. I'd rather just focus on scum/not scum myself.

Sloonei is being a bit cold and dismissive.

Mac is defending me. Don't know why. But I also don't find it suspicious. Doesn't feel like something scum would have to do.

I actually like funnygirl's reaction to me the least. Being fine to lynch me for "not being townie" without explaining that. But not voting me herself. Endorsing it and painting me scum is just as effective when almost everyone is ok with lynching me. So I don't like that.

I think I still like how DDL treated me when I first came in. It looks like he is hunting green team specifically, so probably not green team himself.

Regardless of alignment, DIzzy is in a tough spot here. We're in the mid-to-late stage of this game, loads of activity already in the book, and Creature was the closest thing we had to a consensus top suspect going into the day. It is not hard to read scum in Dizzy's posts today, but I don't want to rush to that judgment too quickly. I admire the effort either way.

DDL

We've now got just the assassins to worry about. They've got anywhere from 1-3 members remaining. If it's more than 1 then one of them is unkillable until we remove the others. If Sara was recruited then we have a scum who began the game as town.

There's also probably still a serial killer.

Chances are at least 2 are alive, since the N1 kill was from the League. Unless we hit gold and one of speed/juliets was league but the probability is looooooooow.

Problem is that waiting to lynch Ra means we give it more time for him to recruit Sara. Meanwhile if we lynch him early we probably run into the wall that is Damien. DF is a smooth bastard.

DDL wasted no time diving into the discussion about the possible configuration of the remaining scum team. I like that well enough, though it's not difficult to imagine scum DDL wanting to get out ahead of the issue. But it's not necessary to make that assumption here. His reads have been a bit all over the place, but I kind of like that. He seems strangely confident that Dyslexicon is Ra's Al Ghul, which I don't get, but otherwise DDL has been pestering people and trying out different suspects here and there. I feel decently about DDL so far today.

DrWilgy
A few joke posts and then this:

I'm between Colin and DDL.

I agree with funny that ddl feels off.

Okay. I am not whelmed.

ColinIsCool

Y’all are wildin’. Pre-reading I thought “Out of the folks voting me, I am more suspicious of DDL.”

Mac is wildin’ in a civvy, tinfoilly way. The others aren’t.

I’m open to lynching Dizzy based on that and the Creature stuff but it feels unsporting.

Colin has not had much to say and mostly has just been swatting away the argument that he's Sara. His vote is on Dizzy based on Creature's meta. I am not whelmed, but I appreciate that he's addressed direct points in the thread with each post.

Epignosis
Epi's been his typical self. He's talking about the issues and seems focused on things. That's not a strong indicator of alignment for him though.

Night 1, the Assassins failed, right?

This post is interesting. If Epi's bad, he's dabbling in hardcore WIFOM. I'd lean in favor of him being good because, I dunno, I just don't think scum bothers to makes such a casual post on the off chance that someone like me picks it up and thinks about it for a second.
He gave us some reads:

I am good with Jack.

I am good with Sloonei.

I am good with Colin, but some things give me pause. If I live I'll try to elaborate there.

I am good with DDL to a lesser extent.

I'm fine with Funnygirl, but my enthusiasm there only goes so much when there are sinister independents afoot.

I'll rethink Ultra.

Everyone else is a question mark.

He hasn't been back around today to work on these reads. I'm sure that he will. I wanna see those things happen. I feel pretty good about Epi today.

posting this just to break up my word wall a little.

[Epignosis]

I'm entering the busiest time of the year. I'm four pages back. I'll do what I can tonight because tomorrow is not looking promising in terms of my availability.

[Epignosis]

Here's something else.

How bout if Space Daisy was Deathstroke, Juliets probably doesn't get killed first. Eh?

I think I agree with this.

[Sloonei]

Jack gave us this juicy tidbit:

This is a shit argument but the last time Creature randed scum, he got himself modkilled on purpose and was temp banned from MU for it. So he shows up here and even though he presumably is not playing any other mafia games, he still replaces out. His MafiaScum profile says he finds being scum to not be fun.

So uh...he didn't want to play anymore because your slot is scum?

Given that he's the only player here who seems to know Creature outside of this game, it's entirely possible this is completely made up and Jack is full of shit. But that would be extremely bizarre. I choose not to believe that. I feel good about Jack for sharing this read. He didn't seem overly thrilled to be sharing a read like this, but I think he decided to share it because he believes in it himself.
But other than that he hasn't really done much to move the thread forward. For shame. He's town tho.

Long Con

Great! Why would a night kill fail? Targeting Deathstroke is one... I'm assuming we have a protector in play? LOL

Just one kill, is that what we expected?

I could read this post as a bit stiff and formulaic after the double failed nightkill, but I do not have to. I'm not overly thrilled by his current vote either:

Wait. Actually. LC, if you think I played as outed scum, why would you NOT vote me? o.o

Because the outed scum in this theory is a currently unlynchable one.

Nowhere in the thread is it confirmed that Dyslexicon is "outted scum". That was an isolated suggestion made by DDL, so for LC to pick it up and run with it is a bit odd.
That said, I feel like scum LC would be more organized than he appears to be if he was coming into a pivotal day like this one. He appears to be playing it fairly loose, and something about that resonates well with me. That said, I want to see more from LC.

Luxurious

Since the legends havent won it looks like my assumption of

“The league of assassins hasnt lost any members or recruited Laura” still remains

Lux forgot the name of the player the Assassins are able to recruit. I don't know if that means anything, but I feel like it's worth noting. Part of me wants to say that a player who is on this team would be extra aware of the name of the role they want to recruit. But I don't believe in this as strongly as I do the point I made about Epi forgetting the Night 1 no-kill. Speaking of which...

We've now got just the assassins to worry about. They've got anywhere from 1-3 members remaining. If it's more than 1 then one of them is unkillable until we remove the others. If Sara was recruited then we have a scum who began the game as town.

There's also probably still a serial killer.

Chances are at least 2 are alive, since the N1 kill was from the League. Unless we hit gold and one of speed/juliets was league but the probability is looooooooow.

Problem is that waiting to lynch Ra means we give it more time for him to recruit Sara. Meanwhile if we lynch him early we probably run into the wall that is Damien. DF is a smooth bastard.

League didnt kill N1

Lux remembers.

Other than that Lux has just kind of defended herself when Epi questioned her on her emphasis on forgetting role names. She's been absent most of the phase. I am particularly underwhelmed by Lux given how vocal she has been, but she doesn't appear to have been here at all today so I'll give her a pass for now. I could still see myself voting here.

Mac
Has been a whirlwind of activity. I think he's been the most active player since the end of Day 3. His reads are all over the place in a good way and I believe his tone. I think he should give us a big rundown of his thoughts on people because that could be a juicy exercise for everybody.

Funnygurl
She's given us a handful of reads, which is good. Hard defended Epi when Mac started eyeballing him right after the nutella flip. She's mostly been fixated on DDL as carry over from ysterday. I'd like to hear her elaborate more on that read. I want to highlight one post in particular though:

yeah, dyslexicon doesn't look townie, but a rule for me is to not lynch someone the first day they arrive, so i'm not gonna join that wagon

still think ddl is wolfy though. think that guy's gotta go. even his sod d4 play was sketchy

I could see a funnygurl/dyslexicon pairing here. It would be a bit bold, but "I don't lynch replacements right away" is a readily available excuse that she can grab onto if they are indeed partners. She then turns backs to DDL but has yet to fully articulate why (at least not today). I don't love these posts.

Spacedaisy & Ultra have combined for 0 posts.

sprityo
has continued to do nothing with his status as a roundly trusted civilian. It would be nice if he joined us all here.

[Sloonei]

Lux, Dizzy, & funnygurl are the names I'd be most inclined to vote for based purely on that exercise.
DDL, Long Con, wilgy, and Colin all leave room to be desired.


At this point I am not-scum reading daisy by virtue of her absence. I don't think she'd allow herself to no-show from a game where she rolled scum, especially as a member of a 2-person team. Ultra's silence is uninspiring, but he has multiple believable excuses for that.

[Sloonei]

Remove DDL from that second list. I was projecting a more general read onto that judgment. Taking this phase in isolation, DDL's alright.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Does Jack usually not vote before late in the day?

I vote when I know where I want my vote. Sometimes that’s immediately. Sometimes, it’s not.

[Sloonei]

I’ve already said this, but I don’t like the Colin wagon. If Dragomir was scum, he’s a very good actor.

I don’t love the DDL votes either, but I could stand to hear more from him before I go on a campaign to defend him.

I might move my vote to Lux or funnygurl soon. I’d be very interesting in hearing other opinions on those two.

[Epignosis]

So I know the setup, but I haven't read the game, and I'm not about to read 70 pages. I'd appreciate it if someone could give a summary. Who is still alive, and what flips have we had and such?

Sprityo is basically confirmed town.

Mac, Sloonei, Jack are consensus townreads but maybe we're just wolves who were good at catching the other wolves.

Epi and DDL think I am scum tbh

I think that Epi has a good scumdar and probably is picking up on something.

[Epignosis]

Who is the lame Season Six Villain?

Poll runs till Wed May 29, 2019 11:14 pmPlease note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.
You may select 1 option

ColinIsCool
3
21%


Voters: Long Con, Dragon D. Luffy, MacDougall

Dragon D Luffy
2
14%


Voters: DrWilgy, Funnygurl555

DrWilgy
0
No votes


Voters: None

Dyslexicon
3
21%


Voters: ColinIsCool, Sloonei, Epignosis

Epignosis
0
No votes


Voters: None

Funnygurl555
1
7%


Voters: Dyslexicon

Jackofhearts2005
0
No votes


Voters: None

Long Con
0
No votes


Voters: None

Luxurious
0
No votes


Voters: None

Macdougall
1
7%


Voters: sprityo

nutella
1
7%


Voters: nutella

Sloonei
0
No votes


Voters: None

Sprityo
0
No votes


Voters: None

Spacedaisy
0
No votes


Voters: None

Ultra
0
No votes


Voters: None

Ricardo Diaz (Host/dead/non)
3
21%


Voters: leetic, JaggedJimmyJay, DFaraday


Total votes: 14

[Sloonei]

Does Jack usually not vote before late in the day?

I vote when I know where I want my vote. Sometimes that’s immediately. Sometimes, it’s not.

Wanna hurl a bunch of reads at me, pal?

[Long Con]

I know you want more from me. You know that my game-focus these days is light, and really should be considered NAI. I am Civ this time, and last time, and in the Ted game that just ended, and I have enjoyed people Civ-reading me because my goal is basically to not get mislynched and hurt the Town. Also to try and at least get a feel for who's bad, and possibly to catch some attitude or turn of a phrase that nets a baddie vote from me. I was able to at least not hinder Cooler and nutella lynches, which was nice.

I might as well say it, what if DDL is the cop and he knows Dizzy is Ra's al Ghul? That's the reason for my latest vote change, and following DDL. I don't expect him to really comment either way on that, because rules... but someone else must be thinking that, no?

[Sloonei]

It’s possible, but I don’t know if I get the sense that DDL has flashed that level of confidence about the read. It’s worth considering. I’d almost be confident enough to start looking for teammate relationships. Maybe that’s the next thing to do.

[Long Con]

Subtlety and forbearance are signs of a quality no-infodumping player.

[Sloonei]

Oh hi Dyslexicon.

I'll have to lynch you at some point, but I hope you have fun until then.

If LC is right, DDL presumably would have checked Creaturecon last night, since he was campaigning to lynch Creature yesterday. The quoted post was DDL’s first of the day. I could see that being a subtle way of saying “I know what you are.”

[DrWilgy]

I just have little further to pursue.

Colin needs to die on premise of dragos actions.

Ddl felt bad and I want to see where that goes.

[Sloonei]

What exactly did people think was suspicious about Dragomir? I keep seeing people reference his response to nutella ISO, but I don’t really see that as a suspicious thing. He was very transparent about the whole thing and communicated his thoughts very clearly. Was there anything else or is it just that?

[DrWilgy]

I didn't even know people were suspecting him for anything in particular. His push on mata wasn't Civ/Civ.

[Sloonei]

I did a quick search for his justification for mata suspicion and I came up with nothing. But now he can’t answer questions about it, so...

[Jackofhearts2005]

Does Jack usually not vote before late in the day?

I vote when I know where I want my vote. Sometimes that’s immediately. Sometimes, it’s not.

Wanna hurl a bunch of reads at me, pal?

It's bothering me that DDL has written off Dizzy as unlynchable. Reeks of reverse TMI like DDL is Ra's and Dizzy is the one he needs to not be lynched. But generally I townread DDL. DDL being "weird" could mean "DDL is the sker." He just seems oddly confident of things but at least one of those things (town Nutella) turned out to be false. He's also softing...something. Should I just townread him for that? That's lazy but shit Syndicaters rarely even falseclaim or falsehint.

I'm real confident in my townreads on you, Mac, Sprityo, FunnyMenace. Pretty confident in Epi, LC. Epi and LC are probably unearned giving my semi recent woeful misreads of them in other games (Epi in flags, LC in...the last several times I've helped mislynch LC). I tend to scumread both of them (especially LC) when they're scum and when they're town so. Yeah. Oh yeah, Epi's been doing some stuff that I don't think he'd do if he was League, like pushing inactives. Cause if he's League, his teammate is likely in the inactives.

I don't like that Lux has dropped off since the speedsters are gone. It's almost too obvious like "Oh there's no non teammates to hunt" but at the same time, didn't she do that same thing Nutella was doing where she scumread you but couldn't say why? Did I make that up?

The Creature case is obvious. I've weighed in on Dizzy's lol reaction to it and what I think it means. If so, that clashes with DDL reverse TMI. So DDL/Creature is probably not w/w.

There's also the Iris notes. I have no idea who is writing those.

Deathstroke is going to be harder to catch because the best SK strategy in this setup imo is to just be supertown. Especially when one mafia is gone. But it's not Sprityo. I don't think it's Daisy because Juliets was the first hit. I don't think it's you or Mac or Funny for tonally town reasons.

I was pretty sold on Drago being town. If he's not a recruitable player, Colin's still that same town player, just faffing about. That doesn't sound like sker either. Sker should be trying to get into the towncore.

I was sure Ultra was town based on his intro but he's been real shy lately. He's in a champs game now? Someone said that IIRC. If that's the case, I should just hang on my early Ultra townread.

So possible leaguers in order of likelihood: Dizzy, Lux, Daisy, Wilgy, Ultra, DDL, Colin.

Possible SKers in order of likelihood: Dizzy/Lux/Wilgy, DDL/Colin/Ultra, LC, Epi

The math says lynch Dizzy or maybe Lux to be nice.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also iirc, DDL tried to make the Creature lynch happen like 6 times.

[Epignosis]

Actually, a good reason to not lynch an inactive is that if they are scum and didn't even perform a night action (not even playing the game) then they are not really an active threat as long as they are gone. Also it's kind of boring.

A good reason to lynch an inactive is that is that person is bad, and didn't perform a Night action, I need that person dead to win.

[Epignosis]

*if that person is bad