Fallout: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game (END)

[TonyStarkPrime]

I would recruit Sloonei every day of the week

No offence, Mac but your impact on the game so far has been undeniably considerable. Your presence has been pretty consistently frequent and your posts have been provocative. You’re making a lot of waves. That’d be just the kind of player any Mafia team would want to convert.

Anyway, let me ask you. Your vote is currently on Sabie. Come EoD, and it becomes a tie between Creature and Sloonei, what do you do? Take a stance on one of them (and if so, which one) or sit on your hands? I’m just curious.

None taken.

Why is it becoming a tie between them?

It is, as far as I can tell, currently a tie between them.

[ColinIsCool]

I don’t think I’ll vote Sloonei but the Creature wagon has almost no justification that I can find. Why are your votes there, voters?

[TonyStarkPrime]

To answer Glorf’s question for Mac (cause it almost applies to me too) I’d sit on my hands. I think they’re both the wrong lynch for town and I don’t vote for causes I don’t believe in (At the end of the day). If I had to had to pick I’d vote for Sloonei because I trust the people on his case more.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’ve been scum with sprityo and he’s a fair amount more calculated. I won’t vote him.

Okay, so if not Sloonei, Sprityo, or Creature who’s your target? Or don’t know yet?

[ColinIsCool]

I’ve been scum with sprityo and he’s a fair amount more calculated. I won’t vote him.

Okay, so if not Sloonei, Sprityo, or Creature who’s your target? Or don’t know yet?

Sabie, Jack or Dragomir.

Sabie I do feel sympathy for but she hasn’t done anything since the lynch to indicate being town to me and while the info we’d get might be bunk because Epi pretty much saved her in some peoples’ eyes it’d be more informative than the other two.

Jack I can pretty easily see as a mafioso letting the town pick each other apart in a low activity game. The only thing he has going for him is the rationale that he would have voted as scum which is not really that much.

Dragomir isn’t here (right?) even though I did see them on yesterday so it’d be a lotto drawing but it would give us some more time to establish lines of inquiry against suspects and we don’t have to deal with that slot come endgame.

I dunno, pretty uninspiring takes all around but my sleuthing ain’t what it used to be.

[ColinIsCool]

I’m out for the day. [VOTE: SABIE] aubergine

[birdwithteeth11]

Alright, so I have no caught up any since I have subbed back in. I'm going to attempt to do so as much as I can this afternoon. No guarantee that I will, and if I can't I won't be voting in the lynch.

[birdwithteeth11]

Sloonei could have actually created a real lynch but instead spun onto BWT to make a 4 way tie. Loss of civilian read is necessitated.

I felt the best about a bwt lynch.

You're gonna have to express why mate. Because from where I sit BWT was by no metric the best d1 lynch.

I actually understand why the other two got votes more than him.

I remember someone saying that people voting BWT on day 1 are always bad too. Maybe LC?

I can neither confirm nor deny this. But I do have a very long track record of Day 1 mislynches. Take that for what you shall.

[sprityo]

Does anyone have a problem with lynching creature, does anyone have a problem with lynching sloonei, does anyone have a problem lynching Jack?

And why

[birdwithteeth11]

Sloonei could have actually created a real lynch but instead spun onto BWT to make a 4 way tie. Loss of civilian read is necessitated.

I felt the best about a bwt lynch.

You're gonna have to express why mate. Because from where I sit BWT was by no metric the best d1 lynch.

I actually understand why the other two got votes more than him.

I remember someone saying that people voting BWT on day 1 are always bad too. Maybe LC?

My read on sabie is that she is just sabie. She gets mislynched for the things you accused her of fairly often. I expressed this several times during the day.

I wasn't voting Jack on Day 1 for being a doofus. That's dumb.

There is no strong reason to read sprityo one way or the other.

Some of birdwithteeth's posts struck me as light, fluffy things which I would associate with mafia members trying not to offend anyone on Day 1.

So I should have come out guns blazing on Day 1 with nothing to go on instead?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Does anyone have a problem with lynching creature, does anyone have a problem with lynching sloonei, does anyone have a problem lynching Jack?

And why

I have a problem lynching creature and Jack.

I don’t think the case against Creature goes any further than “he keeps complaining but he’s not actually doing anything” which first off no one’s really doing anything it’s not like creatures done less than half the other players.

I just like Jack.

[Sloonei]

Does anyone have a problem with lynching creature, does anyone have a problem with lynching sloonei, does anyone have a problem lynching Jack?

And why

Epignosis has a problem with lynching sloonei, for one.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Does anyone have a problem with lynching sprityo?

And why

[birdwithteeth11]

I chose to vote for the player I had the strongest suspicion against.

So you criticize me for not having strong suspicions on Day 1, but then base your own not having strong suspicions on Day 1 as the reason for voting for someone for not having strong suspicions on Day 1?

Wt actual f?

[Sloonei]

I chose to vote for the player I had the strongest suspicion against.

So you criticize me for not having strong suspicions on Day 1, but then base your own not having strong suspicions on Day 1 as the reason for voting for someone for not having strong suspicions on Day 1?

Wt actual f?

That is not what I criticized the player called birdwithteeth for. I suspected the player called birdwithteeth for making posts that felt light and non-combative. I was wrong about this.

And even if I did suspect you for having no strong suspects while not having any myself:

Spoiler: show

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'd recruit Epi because he's funny in BTSC but that ship already sailed in that I'm not mafia and also he's not mafia.

Or Tony or Mac or LC. So basically most of my townreads.

Discuss!

Epi or Sloonei based on phase zero activity. Maybe LC. I feel like Jack would be too obvious for me and you’d posted like 4 times so I’d be scared.

It was a ruse to not get recruited!

Spoiler: show

Not really but maybe it had that effect.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Does anyone have a problem with lynching creature, does anyone have a problem with lynching sloonei, does anyone have a problem lynching Jack?

And why

Yes because he's meta cleared.

No.

Yes because he's me.

[Sloonei]

I'm gonna do some ISOs. I begin this exercise having no clue about anything. So far I've only really been able to identify reasons to town read people. Coming up with suspects has been harder than usual. I am apparently a suspect in some eyes for this, but those people obviously aren't doing any better than I am so whatever, good for them. Or they're lying. I don't know.

Colin's name comes first alphabetically, so here's some stuff about him:

Caught up — I really liked Mac's post re: sabie. I also agree that Creature and Mac look like good town people for coming in and stirring things up a little.

I'd like to give sabie a chance to respond and offer an alternative before voting her, though, because while it's not cutthroat, I don't like that list of all the games she got murked in ...

His first game-relevant post. Supports Mac's case on sabie, vaguely town-reads Mac and Creature. Then he walks back the sabie suspicion just a hair. While I would not have disagreed with a word of this post at the time, it is a very safe post. No fresh takes are offered here.

The Bird person did not register to me at all on a read through so lemme check that out too.

I don't see anything worthy of condemnation in bird's posts.

I don't see anything worthy of condemnation in bird's posts.

Did you see anything worthy of commendation?

They seemed to be replying to things naturally and not in any way that aroused my suspicion.

Okay. Colin opposed the birdwithteeth suspicion. But did he oppose the birdwithteeth lynch?

@ColinIsCool besides sabie, is there a player you think deserves suspicion right now?

Long Con, maybe? It seems like he's been kind of ... surfacey, when he usually isn't. That's just the first one to come to my mind.

A vague and tentative suspicion against Long Con. I don't feel like it's clear what Colin sees that is different in LC this game. I don't see him going any further than this anywhere in his posts.

Why are we not voting out the no-show? [VOTE: DRAGOMIR] aubergine

A vote for an absentee. Cool. While uninspiring on the surface, I don't think this was an unfair vote on Day 1 in this game. There were no strong suspects. A shot in the dark at a no-show wouldn't have been much different, and we would have saved ourselves the hassle of dealing with an empty player slot.

Why are we not voting out the no-show? [VOTE: DRAGOMIR] aubergine

I seem to recall Dragomir had to drop out of two games simultaneously recently because of internet troubles?

Which players are suspicious enough to vote for over a player that's a shot in the dark?

I guess I'd vote Long Con because I don't like his ratio of content : not-content. I don't think others would follow me there though.

Jack's ISO is like Long Con's but with an even lower ratio so I can dig it.

Especially over Epignosis. What?

[VOTE: JACK] aubergine

[VOTE: SPRITYO] aubergine

Why?

Tbh everything I have to say about Long Con I have said. I don’t think he’s been in since the lynch so it’s the same feeling.

Colin had typed like two sentences about Long Con. That's not a lot.

Colin talk to me about LC and vice versa

I’m lazy, so I’m not going to.

Also, this post is a bit sketchy. Why wasn't your answer that you already talked about me? Was the case so fake that you forgot to pretend it was real?

I'm poking fun at Mac being a meanie to me. Why are you so obsessed with me?

For the record, this vociferous no-u-ing I'm getting actually makes me feel a little better about LC. His thinking here doesn't make sense but even less so if he's mafia and I'm the hill he wants to die on.

Starts walking back that suspicion.

I am anticipating some remark from somebody or another about how I'm not taking this game seriously enough/putting forth an effort/how I'm lazy so let this serve as a sort of lodestar for anyone trying to read me.

I don't have a lot of time to do ISOs and deep dives and things like that anymore. I'm going to sheep and I'm going to probably only post little posts. I post my thoughts as they come to me. I don't think anything through so what you see is pure unadulterated Colin brain activity, for better or worse.

Yesterday's lynch had no suspect I really felt was a slam dunk. With regards to the sabie case, it was solid, but so were all the other ones where I lynched her and I was wrong. I can't read her.

And I'll admit that I also wanted to keep her around because she doesn't get a chance to play, and that's a shame. If that makes me bad, then go ahead and lynch me for it.

Hmmmmmmmm none of this explains why he voted for sprityo, didn't really push for or defend any lynch options, or why he had a background scum read on LC. I believe Colin when he says he's a busy person. It does not tell me anything about his alignment.

And what does it not being day 2 have to do with anything? Is there some duration trigger that needs to expire before I'm allowed to play properly?

Also how does me having bizarre energy manifest in you choosing to ignore me as opposed to scum reading me?

But alas you're probs gonna just ignore these valid points and get town read for it because "civs".

I'm going to ignore your comments to me for the rest of the game because there is no way you're scum if you come in this hot and shit on that lynch yesterday to the extent that you have if you aren't sincere about it. If you are lying, then you're wet blanketing the whole game in a really unnecessary fashion and I wouldn't want to play with you. If you're allowed to not address any concerns about you for the duration, then other people are allowed to ignore things too.

To clarify, by "bizarre energy" I mean that you are obviously mad and I don't really get it. It's like you're only seeing red. Don't know if you got pissed off in another game or something or if something is going on IRL for you but it's not worth me trying to combat so I'm not going to.

I am certain this is bordering on the kind of non-gameplay-conflict-whatever stuff Jay wants to avoid in the thread so I'm not going to continue it further, seriously. The only reason I'm writing this post is because you've brought reads into it and I suppose explaining my thinking once in a while is useful after all.

Colin's exchange with Mac might tell me something about his alignment, though. I feel like Colin is genuinely worked up in some way or another by Mac's aggression toward him, and I feel like his stance here can come from an exasperated civilian. Scum Colin might naturally feel more guilty, and might give Macdougall a longer leash here because he knows that he is right. But town Colin might just want to swat away the buzzing Macsquito in his ear. Maybe. The alternative is that ColinIsScum is just feigning agitation.

Sprityo, do you have any suspected Super Mutants?

Pivots back to sprityo.

Okay we’ve got 40some hours here here are the avenues that I think we should be pursuing

Creature
Colin
Sabie
sprityo

As you’ll note I sorted them by the letters their names start with.

To these four — who’s mafia? Give me names.
As far as everyone else goes, out of these four who is the most likely to be town?
I don’t have much time tonight to talk but if anyone has ideas I’ll take em.

To rank that list (worst to best) sabie, Creature, sprityo, Colin. I’m not a huge fan of that list per se.

Outside of that list I don’t think it’s you, Mac, or Long Con. Everyone else is fair game.

Creature is suddenly "worse than sprityo". I do believe this is Colin's first mention of Creature anywhere in this game. He had previously voted for sprit. I'd like to know where this stance came from.
sabie is also worse than both sprit and Creature, which is an interesting development. It could indicate civilian Colin though, as he's been transparently inconsistent with his reads here.

I’ve been scum with sprityo and he’s a fair amount more calculated. I won’t vote him.

Hey Colin, hey, just a quick question here. Hey. If this is the case then why did you vote for sprit on Day 1?

What’s the deal with Creature? I don’t like his take on player salad but I haven’t been pinged so far.

See above.

I’ve been scum with sprityo and he’s a fair amount more calculated. I won’t vote him.

Okay, so if not Sloonei, Sprityo, or Creature who’s your target? Or don’t know yet?

Sabie, Jack or Dragomir.

Sabie I do feel sympathy for but she hasn’t done anything since the lynch to indicate being town to me and while the info we’d get might be bunk because Epi pretty much saved her in some peoples’ eyes it’d be more informative than the other two.

Jack I can pretty easily see as a mafioso letting the town pick each other apart in a low activity game. The only thing he has going for him is the rationale that he would have voted as scum which is not really that much.

Dragomir isn’t here (right?) even though I did see them on yesterday so it’d be a lotto drawing but it would give us some more time to establish lines of inquiry against suspects and we don’t have to deal with that slot come endgame.

I dunno, pretty uninspiring takes all around but my sleuthing ain’t what it used to be.

This is the best justification for Jack suspicion that I've seen all game. Jack's MO of late has been to screw around early in games and turn it on a bit later. This game got off to a slow start. Mafia Jack can just fart around all of Days 1 & 2 while town sits on its collective hands and no one will bat an eye, because obviously scum jack would make more of an effort than this.

I have questions and concerns about Colin but also a handful of points that I like. I've decided to do away with the "Scum Colin would be doing more things" argument because we can say the same thing about pretty much everyone in this game so it feels detrimental at this point. See the Jack argument directly above this paragraph.

I'll choose to emphasize the negative points rather than the positive because this game needs some drama to push it forward:
ColinIsCool

[birdwithteeth11]

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine let's see how this feels

Wait wait wait what I did not see this the first time

I somehow missed this as well. Nice catch.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine let's see how this feels

Wait wait wait what I did not see this the first time

I somehow missed this as well. Nice catch.

What does that tell you?

[birdwithteeth11]

Colin talk to me about LC and vice versa

I’m lazy, so I’m not going to.

Refusing to respond when requested to do so.

Blaming your Day 1 lynch on other players.

That's a fantastic track record there, sir.

Linki: Either that you were trying to come off as indecisive as a cover for Day 1, or that you were throwing shit at the wall to see what stuck.

[birdwithteeth11]

Mac’s town

Most obvious read of the game so far.

[Sloonei]

Linki: Either that you were trying to come off as indecisive as a cover for Day 1, or that you were throwing shit at the wall to see what stuck.

Which is more likely?

[birdwithteeth11]

This became boring too soon.

Day 1 creature: I don’t like this too boring
Day 2 creature: I don’t like this it got boring

The night 1 kill reads to me as a very active candidate that the mafia team is trying to eliminate. So the stifling worthwhile discussion route might be in play here?

[birdwithteeth11]

Okay we’ve got 40some hours here here are the avenues that I think we should be pursuing

Creature
Colin
Sabie
sprityo

As you’ll note I sorted them by the letters their names start with.

To these four — who’s mafia? Give me names.
As far as everyone else goes, out of these four who is the most likely to be town?
I don’t have much time tonight to talk but if anyone has ideas I’ll take em.

My current order from least good to most good:

Colin
Creature
Sabie/sprityo

[TonyStarkPrime]

This became boring too soon.

Day 1 creature: I don’t like this too boring
Day 2 creature: I don’t like this it got boring

The night 1 kill reads to me as a very active candidate that the mafia team is trying to eliminate. So the stifling worthwhile discussion route might be in play here?

Interesting idea. Can you elaborate?

[birdwithteeth11]

Nobody wants to discuss the elephant in the room?

I don’t have any strong recollection of Sabie from the games that I may have played with her long ago. Do you really believe that she (as Mafia) would use real life as an excuse to avoid scrutiny here? I’ll confess, Epi’s post kinda put me off voting her. I can understand how someone who frequently gets mis-lynched early in these games feels. Personally, I’m in two minds about her. I get real life is getting in the way for her but I don’t really think the pace of this game is necessarily that bad... it would be nice to see a little more from her.

Okay I'll change my angle on Sabie.

Maybe she is not inherently mafia for what I am accusing her of.

But is she a civ?

Because right now I am civ reading almost everyone (LC, Sloonei, Creature, TSP, Jack, you, even townpinged by Colin now) and the other option is lynching a no show over her because we feel sorry for her for getting lynched and killed a lot.

So in my view the question is;

Functional, useful, info gather Sabie lynch, or
Lynching one of the no shows

I'm going to leave it up to the board of directors here because apparently I am "angry" and emitting a "bizarre energy" or some shit.

This is an option I'm not opposed to if your current reads are still this strong. The best weapon the town can gather early on in the game is info. And if you feel the most info is gained from lynching someone who is basically a non-participant, than by all means go that route.

[Sloonei]

Creature is up next.

As a side project, I'm gonna keep a running tally of two things during this ISO. First, how many times has Creature complained about the pace/activity level in the game? Second, how many times has Creature done something to help improve the pace/activity level of the game. I'll also do some normal analysis.

Complaints (15):

Spoiler: show

Not really liking how this game started

Not really liking how this game started

Tell me about your ideal game-start.

First it wouldn't take a whole day for there to have new posts.

Even that Better Off Ted game where town flaked to death had a better start than this.

I think early game activity is pretty determinant to a town victory (see Arrowverse) and the lack of it is usually a bad sign.

It feels like the most significant case we'll ever get this game is some sort of player salad that obviously is wrong tell af.

Wow sabie is such a wise lynch

Town's lack of creativity here is so worrisome

Town's lack of creativity here is so worrisome

You don't say.

If sabie is the best they can consider, I am right.

Yawn

[VOTE: birthdaywithteeth] aubergine

Well it's close to end of day so I think my biggest suspicion is on Jack.

This is another lack of creativity.

I don't like lynching anyone 24 hours after the game has started, tbh.

We could wait until it's one hour away from deadline to start solving the game alternatively.

Not really liking how this game started

This became boring too soon.

You know, if we keep being this discoordinated it's gonna be pretty easy for the supermutants to pick whatever wagon they want.

and that's what is happening.

Productivity (15):

Spoiler: show

3. You're scum and we just want to let you know we know that.

Sloonei playing the sphinx is also nagl.

think I'll just come up with Sloonei as a townread.

@Sloonei Yes, lots! I agree with most of it to be honest. I don’t know that I’d be quite so keen to pronounce Creature as Town (I’m not saying that I think otherwise, I just don’t think his posts necessarily scream Town as you seem to suggest there). I also find myself contemplating more deeply the prospective alignments of birdwithteeth, Long Con and Sprityo. What really caught my attention though was your comment in respect of JackofHearts and particularly how it aligns to the comments made by Sabie12. I am working under an assumption that you my friend are firm Town for me. I know it’s early in the game but the fact that your view on him matches Sabie’s and that he’s been undeniably ‘thin’ in both the quantity and depths of his posts so far this game are prompting me to consider my vote with more care.

Actually you're somewhat right.

The people townreading me right now is pretty suspicious.

As of right now I don't know for sure. I have such a hard time making reads day 1. The exchange between creature and epi was interesting but I thought that about creature and another player before and everyone was like oh that's not weird and they weren't bad so I don't know. Could they be teammates? Maybe but I feel like they wouldn't be that obvious about it.

Ugh, not sure I like this.

I feel mildly good about him his indifference toward my vote for him last night.

Is indifference supposed to be a town tell?

Wolfjack puts more effort I guess, so he can be town

Sloonei's switch to birdwithteeth looks bad now

Any reason to townread Colin?

I have at least two (2) town reads on this page.

Who, and why?

It's more fun if you guess.

Mac and Creature.

What you all think?

but yeah, I think Colin is scum this game

Probably not Glorf either.

Definitely not Glorf.

So did scum plan to push me to save sabie12 now?

Player salad:

Creature - Town
TonyStarkPrime - Town
Sloonei - Scum suspect
MacDougall - Town
Long Con - Town
ColinIsCool - Scum suspect
Glorfindel - Town
Jackofhearts2005 - Probtown
sabie12 - Scum suspect
sprityo - Scum suspect
Oreki - Scum suspect
Dragomir - Scum suspect

I'm fine lynching Sloonei considering she's being pretty antitown if town.

So we're actually about even here, though a lot of the "productive" posts are just simple statements of reads. The point is that Creature has expended an inordinate amount of energy telling us that we should be doing better without really offering enough content which is designed to help us do better. I do not think this approach benefits anyone.

As for those reads of his...

3. You're scum and we just want to let you know we know that.

This post was directed at Epi, and as we now know the initial suspicion was off base. That doesn't mean a whole lot. Playas gotta start somewhere, and an inaccurate read on shticky Epignosis isn't the worst thing in the world. Though I will note that Shticky Epignosis made himself an extremely easy target (probably intentionally) for bad guys looking for low hanging fruit.

Sloonei playing the sphinx is also nagl.

think I'll just come up with Sloonei as a townread.

I'd like to know why this early progression on my exists. First my "sphinx" approach was "not a good look." Why? Shortly after I was dubbed a civilian. Why?

@Sloonei Yes, lots! I agree with most of it to be honest. I don’t know that I’d be quite so keen to pronounce Creature as Town (I’m not saying that I think otherwise, I just don’t think his posts necessarily scream Town as you seem to suggest there). I also find myself contemplating more deeply the prospective alignments of birdwithteeth, Long Con and Sprityo. What really caught my attention though was your comment in respect of JackofHearts and particularly how it aligns to the comments made by Sabie12. I am working under an assumption that you my friend are firm Town for me. I know it’s early in the game but the fact that your view on him matches Sabie’s and that he’s been undeniably ‘thin’ in both the quantity and depths of his posts so far this game are prompting me to consider my vote with more care.

Actually you're somewhat right.

The people townreading me right now is pretty suspicious.
[/quote]I don't know why this read exists either. I think I spent a large part of Arrowverse begging Creature to explain his reads, but he seldom ever did. He was scum in that game. I've apparently never seen town Creature.

As of right now I don't know for sure. I have such a hard time making reads day 1. The exchange between creature and epi was interesting but I thought that about creature and another player before and everyone was like oh that's not weird and they weren't bad so I don't know. Could they be teammates? Maybe but I feel like they wouldn't be that obvious about it.

Ugh, not sure I like this.
[/quote]A "not sure I like this" regarding Sabie. I don't know why it exists.

Wolfjack puts more effort I guess, so he can be town

A town read on Jack. I actually do know why this one exists.

but yeah, I think Colin is scum this game

A scum read on Colin. I'm back to not knowing why things exist.

Player salad:

Creature - Town
TonyStarkPrime - Town
Sloonei - Scum suspect
MacDougall - Town
Long Con - Town
ColinIsCool - Scum suspect
Glorfindel - Town
Jackofhearts2005 - Probtown
sabie12 - Scum suspect
sprityo - Scum suspect
Oreki - Scum suspect
Dragomir - Scum suspect

This is not player salad.
Creature's list of suspects are me, colin, sabie, and the inactive/quiet players. So it's basically my "basic rainbow" but with our own two names swapped and Colin thrown into the red pile for... reasons undetermined.

I'm fine lynching Sloonei considering she's being pretty antitown if town.

First, I am a red-blooded American male. Second, in what instances and in what ways am I being antitown in this game? This is garbage. Cite your sources.

I've only ever seen scum Creature. It looked a lot like this, but with less complaining about the pace of the game. Because that game was moving at lightspeed. Jack says that Creature has exceeded his scum meta here, but this is an exact replica of what I saw in Arrowverse. A few reads exist here and there, but absolutely none of them are justified. I gave Creature a town read initially because his attitude of "We need to do better" seemed like a brazen start to the game. That town read diminished because he hasn't really done anything else.

Creature's a suspect here, but I am struggling to make a substantial case because there is not much substance in these posts.

[birdwithteeth11]

Just so we're all aware of the crucial dynamic at play in the early stages here, this scum role exists:

Once during the game during Phase 0 (no later, if you do not submit the action on time it will be wasted), you may select a player to apprehend and dip. That player will undergo the process of mutation in three stages:

Stage 1: During the day phase following being dipped (Day 1), the player will experience a huge increase in physical size and strength. He or she will be immune to two votes in the poll that day.
Stage 2: During the night phase following being dipped (Night 1), the player will lose command of their emotional and rational faculties, becoming wild and enraged. His or her night action will target randomly, unbeknownst to him or her.
Stage 3: At the start of the day phase following Stage 2 (Day 2), the player will have fully transformed into a supermutant. He or she will be ready to serve The Master as a member of your faction included in your BTSC. That player's original abilities will not be retained

A player who was town on Day 1 will be mafia on Day 2. They did not target BWT because neither of the votes against him would have counted yesterday if that was the case.

I know the person I would pick for this little surprise.

[End Dialogue]

Epignosis...

Did you pick me LC?

1. If I'm bad and picked you, voting you might expose you, which would be counterproductive.
2. Maybe...
3. You'd be a liability! Anyway, I think it would be prudent to consider the way the votes moved around Day 1 to see if any clues can be found on this matter.

4. You'll find out in the morning!

my strange take on this is that no mafioso would post this with half an hour before the revelation that Epi had died.

Overall conclusion: He's town.

No guarantee. LC is brazen enough to try it.

[Sloonei]

Jay said in his Day 1 training presentation to throw votes around with gay abandon so here you go...

Epi, you’re it! Go!

Glorf's approach to Day 1 was to transparently follow the JJJ Method as much as he could. His first move was to chuck a vote at Epi. He would later explain/follow it up with this:

I threw it at Epi to see how he and everyone would react. I do find his response perplexing. He totally brushed it off (which is perfectly fine because he too, is a highly competent player likely familiar with what I’m doing) but from past experience of him, I think I’d have expected something more umm, confronting/condescending/sarcastic? Then again, it’s been a long time and we’ve probably both mellowed some since then.

I don't object to any of this. One could say that Glorf is waffling, but I don't think that's out of character or indicative of anything bad on his part. Seems more like Glorf's just considering all the possibilities here.

The rest of that post:

Other than that, there’s not that much to go on... Creature seems a little disoriented. TonyStark seems very helpful. Long Con seems his OK, coming at me for reasons that are part silly (me not having an avatar) and part ill-informed (which given my subsequent post explaining my approach to this game he should now not be).

I don't know what is to be made of Creature's seeming disorientation. I also am not sure why the behavior he's describing in Long Con is "OK".

Glorfindel seems to be making an effort to follow Jimmy's guide and be like a super civ. Could be an effort to make sure they seem as civ as possible when maybe they aren't.

I ‘seem’ to be making an effort to follow Jay’s guide on how to Town? You aren’t certain of that when I’ve made it crystal clear for everyone to see that that is PRECISELY what I’m doing this game? Interesting Might be time to move my vote...

I can see the sentiment behind this chin-scratch. Sabie's attempt to shade Glorf feels arbitrary and underwhelming here, like she wanted to redirect attention somewhere but couldn't really find a viable route.

Also I don’t like gambling it scares me.

I hear you, my friend but isn’t life a gamble? Every breath you take is a roll of the dice. You can’t know from one minute to the next how things will play out. Sure, you can live under the illusion that you have things under control but do you REALLY? I don’t mean to come off as anyway depressive - I’m just pointing out there’s no need to fear something that is a reality for all of us, all the time.

Civilian.

Mafia Sabie says in the post that Epi quoted above that she has a lot of experience with JackofHearts and that in that game she thought that he was Town on the basis that he was posting “lots of random stuff” and that when he’s Mafia, he is more “calm and reserved”. I find it interesting that she is making the same reference this game but framing* JackofHearts in the context of the paucity of his posts this game.

*I’ve not used this word in a way that suggests any deliberate attempt to mislead.

sabie12: I’m sorry, I understand your position and I’d hate to mislynch you but please understand that there is no malice at all in my vote on you, I’m simply applying my best judgement to what I’ve read here. I’m open to being convinced otherwise and I would certainly be interested at this stage to hear more from you in respect of your suspicions of JackofHearts.

The thought process feels too genuine here for me to think that this is anything but Civilian Glorfindel. He's apparently carefully studied the differences between town and scum sabie from past games and is applying that knowledge to a particular moment in this game without really pouncing too aggressively on his suspect. A+ post.

The most consistent suspects I see in Glorf's ISO are sabie, Jack, Colin, and Creature. [mention]Glorfindel[/mention] care to talk about those four in more detail? What are your primary concerns about each of them? Can you make an argument for any of them to be civilians?

glorf's town

[Sloonei]

Non-joke Jack posts

Lol Creature was my townread too.

Okay. He's talked about his Creature meta read a bit. He did last game too. He was wrong and I disagree with the premise on which he's expressed for town-reading Creature.

Epi Creature w/w I see.

I mean, this is probably a joke but I'm including it anyway because

Yeeeeah. Colin is maphier.

Sloonei can be maphier too.

Sloonei can be maphier too.

Colin and sloonei w/w?

I didn't get that vibe when I looked at Colin's vote reasoning. Sheeping and buddying his own teammate?

Why? @ all of these posts.

Since I don’t have any reads, I’ll just steal Epi’s.

Jack totally had reads.

Okay we’ve got 40some hours here here are the avenues that I think we should be pursuing

Creature
Colin
Sabie
sprityo

As you’ll note I sorted them by the letters their names start with.

To these four — who’s mafia? Give me names.
As far as everyone else goes, out of these four who is the most likely to be town?
I don’t have much time tonight to talk but if anyone has ideas I’ll take em.

Creature is town. Colin idk. The other two I haven’t interacted with? So also idk.

Why are we all town reading Creature?

He’s outside of his wolf range.

No he's not.

[VOTE: ColinisCool] aubergine

Why?

To recap Colin has gone from a suspect to "idk" to vote recipient, all without explanation.

Jack was the one who called my rainbow "the most basic", to which I say He then also went on a weird tangent about hypocrisy and was yelling at me for some reason:

Yeah that's about the most basic rainbow you could ever have. Not my favorite reaction either.

It's completely formulaic.

I get credit for this cause I called out the Glor/Creature meta hypocrisy.

Spoiler: show

Say the thing, Sloonei.

If you disagree with any of the explanations I gave, say so. If you're going to point at the colorful names and say they don't satisfy you then you're not really doing anything.

Say the thing, you hypocrite.

I have no idea how any of this relates to anything else that was happening in the thread at the moment.

Since then he's raised the question of "who did mafia recruit?"

I can't do a whole lot with Jack's ISO. I think he's objectively wrong to meta-clear Creature. I can't trace his Colin suspicion at all. His vote is on me because my rainbow list wasn't adventurous enough. But I don't know if I see a clear indication anywhere that this is a dishonest performance from Jack. It's been uninspiring so far, but I don't have any clear reason to say that's due to him trying to hide anything or push anything nefarious. If there's a criticism to be made, it's that he's fueling the relatively low activity level of the thread by just farting around. But that's not a very convincing argument. Jack gets the slightest townread possible.

[Creature]

Is anyone towny here?

[sabie12]

I'm sorry all I see people are saying I'm a nonpaticipant and I dont mean to be but I have a lot going on. I want to be here for end of day but I can't guarantee I will be because of my work schedule. If I have to put a vote somewhere I feel worse about creature than I do sloonei. Sloonei is putting together cases and provoking conversation. I feel like creature has yet to put forth as much effort into the game while also complaining the game is too boring. If he felt like he wanted to change things or had stronger feelings elsewhere he could have day 1 but didnt. I'm putting my vote there now. [VOTE: creature] aubergine



If my meeting gets out early I will try to be here for end of day if I can. Again I apologize for not being here as much as I could be.

[sprityo]

Does anyone have a problem with lynching creature, does anyone have a problem with lynching sloonei, does anyone have a problem lynching Jack?

And why

Epignosis has a problem with lynching sloonei, for one.

hm, you make a compelling argument

[Creature]

That's already three suspects voting me yet no one's doing anything.

[Creature]

Also, that's definitely not how I've played on Arrowverse, where I got pretty comfortable posting earlier because of the activity but soon got frozen and unable to do anything while the thread was still active af.

[Creature]

there is not much substance in these posts.

I don't write walls and the more you can explain a read the least reliable it is.

[Creature]

I had Better Off Ted for reference btw

[Creature]

Why? Shortly after I was dubbed a civilian. Why?

Thought you not being as hype as you were that other game was town indicative.

[sprityo]

Does anyone have a problem with lynching creature, does anyone have a problem with lynching sloonei, does anyone have a problem lynching Jack?

And why

I have a problem lynching creature and Jack.

I don’t think the case against Creature goes any further than “he keeps complaining but he’s not actually doing anything” which first off no one’s really doing anything it’s not like creatures done less than half the other players.

I just like Jack.

Fair point.

I like jack too, doesn’t mean I don’t want to lynch him?

And what of sloonei?

———


Anyone else want to toss their hat in, cause the more reasons we can have our in the open, the more we can discuss

[Creature]

I think I spent a large part of Arrowverse begging Creature to explain his reads, but he seldom ever did. He was scum in that game.

I do that in my town games too. I'll just give you a post or a line to you make something out of it.

[Creature]

A "not sure I like this" regarding Sabie. I don't know why it exists.

Maybe someone can make something out of it?

[sprityo]

Me personally. I just don’t like what creature has posted thus far.

Sloon is giving me bad gut heeby jeebies

And like someone said before, jack is just coasting and hasn’t been involved to the standard I expect from him

[Creature]

A scum read on Colin. I'm back to not knowing why things exist.

He seems very shy/on the sidelines this game

[Creature]

And like someone said before, jack is just coasting and hasn’t been involved to the standard I expect from him

Jack's scumgame isn't like that though

[sprityo]

Also I’m breaking my promise to ensure a lynch,

[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

Because ties make everything better

[sprityo]

Yes, but I think jack is a smart guy who would totally pull something like that

There’s only a couple metas of people I recognize

Like jay and glorf are always town

And mac is a headstrong towny

[Creature]

Second, in what instances and in what ways am I being antitown in this game? This is garbage. Cite your sources.

Let me see: fmpov your vote is on town and you're also refusing to do anything else other than voteparking on me. So yeah, I have reasons to believe you're being antitown rn even if not that blatant.

[sprityo]

And [mention]speedchuck[/mention] is always mafia

[Sloonei]

no one's doing anything.