Fallout: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game (END)

[Jackofhearts2005]

Alternatively: Who is Sabie’s favorite player?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Alternatively: Who is Sabie’s favorite player?

FYI this is called “hunting.”

[birdwithteeth11]

Does sabie’s flip change any of this?

Not really. I figured most of her lynch was another lazy civ wagon for the most part.

I'm having trouble making sense of these two sentences together. Your impression of the sabie lynch was that town was just being lazy (seeming to imply you read sabie as town), but the fact that sabie flipped bad does nothing to change your outlook on the game? At least as it pertains to the two players in question?

I honest to God thought her role was a civ one and it didn't register to me. But yes, she was coming off as civ to me.

I don't think it changes how I feel about Colin, but I need to evaluate some things first. Because it might.

[Jackofhearts2005]

birdwithteeth11
2
14%
Voters: Creature, Sloonei

Epignosis
1
7%
Voters: Long Con

Glorfindel
1
7%
Voters: birdwithteeth11

Jackofhearts2005
2
14%
Voters: sabie12, Glorfindel

sabie12
2
14%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime, MacDougall

sprityo
2
14%
Voters: ColinIsCool, Epignosis

Not voting presently
2
14%
Voters: sprityo, Jackofhearts2005

Lol this is the worst EOD.

Scum should have voted anybody unless Sprityo was a wolf. Saves Sabie and if they ever get lynched, it points to a save of 1 wolf in 3 players, 2 of them suspected townies.

If Sprityo is a wolf, he could have self preserved. He’ll Sabie could have self preserved onto BWT or Sprityo.

Was scum just not around at EOD?

[Sloonei]

So mac has given up on defending himself or making cases on people he accuses? Or does that not even need to happen anymore because in games I've played lately it seems like people don't have to bother to give reasons anymore. Every time I think mac is bad because he's given up and doesn't care I end up being wrong so I dont know.

As of right now I don't know for sure. I have such a hard time making reads day 1. The exchange between creature and epi was interesting but I thought that about creature and another player before and everyone was like oh that's not weird and they weren't bad so I don't know. Could they be teammates? Maybe but I feel like they wouldn't be that obvious about it.

I feel like Jack and spirityo are usually more quick to go around making accusations and getting people to talk but have been more cautious this day 1. BWT also was quick to say vote epi but didnt and hasnt said much other than that they didnt know if they checked in.

We have yet to hear from oreki colin and dragomir

I dont think I've ever played with TSP before so I dont have anything to go on. Sloonei and LC seem like they're usual selves at this point.
Glorfindel seems to be making an effort to follow Jimmy's guide and be like a super civ. Could be an effort to make sure they seem as civ as possible when maybe they aren't.

I guess for me my suspicion is towards Jack and spirityo as when civ they usually are more aggressive in scum hunting and posting and this game they seem less so.

I'm sorry I'm not super familiar with glorfindel didnt mean any offense in the accusation just speculating on things. TSP is putting in effort to be involved and producing reads.

I'm not suspecting either of them at this time.

I dont remember playing with either of them before so by saying I dont have a lot to go on I just meant I dont know their playstyle. They're probably doing better than I am at this point.


Mac has gotten me mislynched day 1 before but he was civ just had the wrong idea about me.

I'd like to take a closer look at sabie's first two mentions of Glorfindel. My initial response was that these combined for a very good look for Glorf. Sabie made a pretty big stretch to drop some shade on him in the first post, but then completely walked that back in the follow-up. My impression was that sabie thought glorf could be a good target to frame as a suspect, but that idea was met with backlash and she had to change course. In this scenario, Glorfindel would be a civilian bystander, and sabie's handling of him would be something like a slip. Her initial suspicion was phony and she couldn't back it up, so she hastily got rid of it.

I still feel like this is probably the case, but it's not the only possibility here. Maybe the initial post was meant as a distancing tactic between sabie and glorf. After sitting on it, sabie wasn't comfortable with the position she'd put herself in (or maybe Glorfindel disapproved), and that was what prompted the change of course.

Either way, I feel like this an important development in Sabie's posts. I'm not entirely sure what to make of it myself and want to hear what others have to say.

[Sloonei]

birdwithteeth11
2
14%
Voters: Creature, Sloonei

Epignosis
1
7%
Voters: Long Con

Glorfindel
1
7%
Voters: birdwithteeth11

Jackofhearts2005
2
14%
Voters: sabie12, Glorfindel

sabie12
2
14%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime, MacDougall

sprityo
2
14%
Voters: ColinIsCool, Epignosis

Not voting presently
2
14%
Voters: sprityo, Jackofhearts2005

Lol this is the worst EOD.

Scum should have voted anybody unless Sprityo was a wolf. Saves Sabie and if they ever get lynched, it points to a save of 1 wolf in 3 players, 2 of them suspected townies.

If Sprityo is a wolf, he could have self preserved. He’ll Sabie could have self preserved onto BWT or Sprityo.

Was scum just not around at EOD?

Maybe sabie was okay being bussed.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sabie was around at EOD and “suspected” BWT and Sprityo, who ended the day tied with her at 2 votes each. She voted me to make it a 4 way tie instead of picking who dies between 2 players she suspected.

Jack is town and a prize mislynch but why didn’t she vote BWT or Sprityo? BWT was town.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Wagonomics say Sprityo is bad.

You're welcome.

For D1 and D2.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

Tell me I’m right about Creature’s meta.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei

Tell me I’m right about Creature’s meta.

I've played one game with Creature. He was mafia. He didn't look too dissimilar to this, but I have been reading him as town since approximately 45 seconds before yesterday's deadline.

[Long Con]

Alternatively: Who is Sabie’s favorite player?

No, who was sabie most afraid of?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Alternatively: Who is Sabie’s favorite player?

No, who was sabie most afraid of?

For me, it’s Mike Myers. Most scary things can be avoided but he just goes into seemingly safe suburban houses and kills people. So scary.

Dunno about Sabie though.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Sloonei

Tell me I’m right about Creature’s meta.

I've played one game with Creature. He was mafia. He didn't look too dissimilar to this, but I have been reading him as town since approximately 45 seconds before yesterday's deadline.

He’s posted like twice as much. You may not mislynch him, you fuzzy wuzzy wolf you.

[Sloonei]

A more in-depth interactive sabie ISO

So mac has given up on defending himself or making cases on people he accuses? Or does that not even need to happen anymore because in games I've played lately it seems like people don't have to bother to give reasons anymore. Every time I think mac is bad because he's given up and doesn't care I end up being wrong so I dont know.

As of right now I don't know for sure. I have such a hard time making reads day 1. The exchange between creature and epi was interesting but I thought that about creature and another player before and everyone was like oh that's not weird and they weren't bad so I don't know. Could they be teammates? Maybe but I feel like they wouldn't be that obvious about it.

I feel like Jack and spirityo are usually more quick to go around making accusations and getting people to talk but have been more cautious this day 1. BWT also was quick to say vote epi but didnt and hasnt said much other than that they didnt know if they checked in.

We have yet to hear from oreki colin and dragomir

I dont think I've ever played with TSP before so I dont have anything to go on. Sloonei and LC seem like they're usual selves at this point.
Glorfindel seems to be making an effort to follow Jimmy's guide and be like a super civ. Could be an effort to make sure they seem as civ as possible when maybe they aren't.

I've already talked about this post a handful of times, but it's important. LC and I are her only positive reads. Jack, sprit, and glorfindel have varying degrees of negativity around them, and Mac has the tiniest bit of shade. Everyone else just gets neutral mentions.

Sabie, I see you. Give us your brain thoughts!

My thoughts are really not positive at the moment. Realizing how much I get killed off so quickly really makes me frustrated and upset and this game isnt supposed to make you feel that way. I am terrible at reading people day 1 and whenever I try people think I'm bad even though I'm not which has been just insanely frustrating for me.

Colin asks her for reads and she doesn't really supply them. Noted.

I guess for me my suspicion is towards Jack and spirityo as when civ they usually are more aggressive in scum hunting and posting and this game they seem less so.

I'm sorry I'm not super familiar with glorfindel didnt mean any offense in the accusation just speculating on things. TSP is putting in effort to be involved and producing reads. I'm not suspecting either of them at this time. I dont remember playing with either of them before so by saying I dont have a lot to go on I just meant I dont know their playstyle. They're probably doing better than I am at this point.

Mac has gotten me mislynched day 1 before but he was civ just had the wrong idea about me.

Reiterates the Jack and sprit suspicions. One or neither of them are bad. Idk. Jack is pushing for sprit right now, but that's exactly what he'd be doing if he was bad.

This is where she walks back the Glorfindel suspicion. Mr Stark is also given sabie's stamp of approval here. She besmirches Mac a little without really implicating him. Mac and Tony shared my top tier of town reads before we knew sabie was bad, and her flip only strengthened each of those reads.

If only one of Jack and spirtyo is maf which is it
Make a case
Convince me

What I've found is that when Jack is a civ he goes after people asks questions gets discussion going gets really into it and posts a lot. As a baddie he wasn't like that he was a lot more chill. This game I haven't seen the usual civ Jack so far.


I guess the same could be said of bwt who you have voted for. As he also has not been as active as he was in the previous game where he was civ and has not provided much depth to suspicions and reads thus far this game.

When pressed to choose one or the other between her two suspects, she chooses Jack and then also pivots onto bwt out of nowhere. That part looks particularly opportunistic. I don't know if she's looking for an alternative to her teammate, Jack, or if she's just looking to broaden her horizons now that birdwithteeth is on the menu. Her vote ended up on Jack this day, which goes against the "jack is her teammate" argument.

Well out of the options currently being voted for Im more inclined to go with bwt as they have been voting with no explanation and haven't put forth as much effort as they normally do.
Epi could be bad with his hiding behind the video game speak but I always find him so hard to read.

I've said in multiple games that Jack has a different way of posting when good and bad. Other people also have utilized this knowledge of how people act in games to gauge what alignment people might be. Why does that make me bad? I sometimes feel like I must be speaking a different language because I think what I'm saying makes sense and everyone is always like whaaaaaaaa?? Whenever I post.

Yeah this doesn't look like a bus job. She wants Jack to get got. The vote.

I'm sorry BWT RIP! I agree this lynch was difficult because I felt I had some town reads but I was unsure about some of the less active players. I felt like it was out of character of Jack and spirityo to not be as involved as they usually are hopefully they'll come in and participate more. I'm still iffy on them. I think the shorter than usual day phase may have also caught some people off guard.
And to answer epis question mac has definitely been wrong about me before.

She kind of abandoned sprit for a while, but now that the lynch has passed he's back on the menu. Maybe I do want to lynch him.

I am trying to keep up. I really didnt want to go into my personal real life problems on here because who wants to hear me complain about my life and ruin this game no one. Basic is the boyfriend is very sick and I now work over 10 hour days at a high stress job.

I am trying to keep up. I don't even understand the suspicion on me or where it comes from. I keep trying to make an effort. It's like lately people just decide they want to suspect me and go for it.

Spirityo continues to not provide much of anything on the way of reads. Even after hes been under some suspicion haven't seen him be his usual aggressive self. I was also saying that about Jack but he did at least come back into it. Oreki and dragomir I assume are probably not planning on coming back at this point.

Creature is a hard one to read he came in on end of day and was all over the place with the votes and posting. I'll have to look more at that.

I will be at work for like forever but I'll try to check in. I didn't want to bail on the game. I'm glad for the extra time today. Putting my vote on no vote currently but will check in periodically.

Day 2 and sprit has seeminly leapfrogged Jack as her top suspect. Jack started getting more involved, which took away sabie's argument against him. She throws oreki and dragomir into the paragraph about sprit, and then follows it up with her first mention of Creature. Preliminary good look for Creature; this looks opportunistic.

Today was fun worked forever went to urgent care went to pharmacy finally home.
I get the creature suspicion. When looking at his ISO it's all just like maybe one sentence of random thoughts and changing suspicions. He was saying this game is too boring and people are uncreative with their votes and suspicions without really doing much delving into anything either. His end of day posting was just all over the place amd changing votes without trying to solve anything. He could have broken the tie but also did not.

Spirityo eh I'm still iffy on him. He maybe had some motive to kill epi as epi was kind of calling him out.

The number of people here that wouldn’t lynch Glor if he said “I am town” but who are voting Creature is interesting.

That number appears to be two.

Lol and one is Glor. Awesome.

Unsure what that's all about exactly.
Still think Jack is acting weird but at least he kinda came back in.

I really have to do real life stuff I'm really trying to be here as much as I can.

She quietly jumps on board with the Creature wagon. Opportunism 101. Her line on sprit the whole time has been "he's iffy" and that read hasn't really progressed. I could see them as teammates, but that does not need to be the case.
Part of me wants to read that bottom portion as a soft, indirect defense of Glorfindel.

And that's where we're at. Creature and Mac look pretty good here, as does Jack. sprit is iffy. There are juicy bits involving Glorfindel, but I'm not completely sure which way to lean on those. I'd favor town for now, but those are open to interpretation.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei

Tell me I’m right about Creature’s meta.

I've played one game with Creature. He was mafia. He didn't look too dissimilar to this, but I have been reading him as town since approximately 45 seconds before yesterday's deadline.

He’s posted like twice as much. You may not mislynch him, you fuzzy wuzzy wolf you.

Thanks for ignoring the part where I told you I'm town reading him.

[Jackofhearts2005]

That scene in the newest Halloween movie where Myers is in the house and you hear the baby cry and then he goes through the house and idr if he stops and looks at the baby or not but then he just leaves.

Fucking stupid.

If Myers is supposed to be evil personified, he would have no problem killing a baby. If you don’t want him to kill a baby in your movie, don’t put him in the same house as a baby.

Felt like the scene was written to make the audience go “oh no” and then to make everyone breathe a sigh of relief with no regard to plot or characterization. Basically a jump scare only less prevalent.

Rest of the movie was good though.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Sloonei

Tell me I’m right about Creature’s meta.

I've played one game with Creature. He was mafia. He didn't look too dissimilar to this, but I have been reading him as town since approximately 45 seconds before yesterday's deadline.

He’s posted like twice as much. You may not mislynch him, you fuzzy wuzzy wolf you.

Thanks for ignoring the part where I told you I'm town reading him.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei

Tell me I’m right about Creature’s meta.

I've played one game with Creature. He was mafia. He didn't look too dissimilar to this, but I have been reading him as town since approximately 45 seconds before yesterday's deadline.

He’s posted like twice as much. You may not mislynch him, you fuzzy wuzzy wolf you.

Thanks for ignoring the part where I told you I'm town reading him.

I do not feel like you are even trying to read me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

This game needs ranked choice voting.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Sloonei I did a personal gun to head

Simply a do I like X or not that’s why it’s not a pretty rainbow

What did you not like about all your X's?

They formed an evil league and tried to kill my new boyfriend.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Scott Pilgrim is a good comic!

[birdwithteeth11]

I'm going to go back and look one of sabie's earlier posts and her very last one. I know sloonei looked at this first one earlier but I want to view it myself with fresh eyes.

So mac has given up on defending himself or making cases on people he accuses? Or does that not even need to happen anymore because in games I've played lately it seems like people don't have to bother to give reasons anymore. Every time I think mac is bad because he's given up and doesn't care I end up being wrong so I dont know.

As of right now I don't know for sure. I have such a hard time making reads day 1. The exchange between creature and epi was interesting but I thought that about creature and another player before and everyone was like oh that's not weird and they weren't bad so I don't know. Could they be teammates? Maybe but I feel like they wouldn't be that obvious about it.

I feel like Jack and spirityo are usually more quick to go around making accusations and getting people to talk but have been more cautious this day 1. BWT also was quick to say vote epi but didnt and hasnt said much other than that they didnt know if they checked in.

We have yet to hear from oreki colin and dragomir

I dont think I've ever played with TSP before so I dont have anything to go on. Sloonei and LC seem like they're usual selves at this point.
Glorfindel seems to be making an effort to follow Jimmy's guide and be like a super civ. Could be an effort to make sure they seem as civ as possible when maybe they aren't.

So in terms of people she felt/claimed to feel good about at this point, we have soft feelings on Mac, Sloonei, and LC. Most of the others are either neutral/null or bad. I feel like the natural instinct here would be to bus one teammate/the potential recruit, and cover for the other. Thoughts on this?

I'm sorry all I see people are saying I'm a nonpaticipant and I dont mean to be but I have a lot going on. I want to be here for end of day but I can't guarantee I will be because of my work schedule. If I have to put a vote somewhere I feel worse about creature than I do sloonei. Sloonei is putting together cases and provoking conversation. I feel like creature has yet to put forth as much effort into the game while also complaining the game is too boring. If he felt like he wanted to change things or had stronger feelings elsewhere he could have day 1 but didnt. I'm putting my vote there now. [VOTE: creature] aubergine



If my meeting gets out early I will try to be here for end of day if I can. Again I apologize for not being here as much as I could be.

Her very last post before being lynched, she feels worse about Creature than sloonei. I'm still leaning terrible civ playthrough for Creature, but this really makes me question it a bit. I think I still have an ever-so-slight civ lean on Sloonei though.

So I guess in conclusion, I feel worse about Creature, the same about sloonei and Colin, and I think there's a chance sabie bussed one teammate and is covering for another.

[birdwithteeth11]

So mac has given up on defending himself or making cases on people he accuses? Or does that not even need to happen anymore because in games I've played lately it seems like people don't have to bother to give reasons anymore. Every time I think mac is bad because he's given up and doesn't care I end up being wrong so I dont know.

As of right now I don't know for sure. I have such a hard time making reads day 1. The exchange between creature and epi was interesting but I thought that about creature and another player before and everyone was like oh that's not weird and they weren't bad so I don't know. Could they be teammates? Maybe but I feel like they wouldn't be that obvious about it.

I feel like Jack and spirityo are usually more quick to go around making accusations and getting people to talk but have been more cautious this day 1. BWT also was quick to say vote epi but didnt and hasnt said much other than that they didnt know if they checked in.

We have yet to hear from oreki colin and dragomir

I dont think I've ever played with TSP before so I dont have anything to go on. Sloonei and LC seem like they're usual selves at this point.
Glorfindel seems to be making an effort to follow Jimmy's guide and be like a super civ. Could be an effort to make sure they seem as civ as possible when maybe they aren't.

I guess for me my suspicion is towards Jack and spirityo as when civ they usually are more aggressive in scum hunting and posting and this game they seem less so.

I'm sorry I'm not super familiar with glorfindel didnt mean any offense in the accusation just speculating on things. TSP is putting in effort to be involved and producing reads.

I'm not suspecting either of them at this time.

I dont remember playing with either of them before so by saying I dont have a lot to go on I just meant I dont know their playstyle. They're probably doing better than I am at this point.


Mac has gotten me mislynched day 1 before but he was civ just had the wrong idea about me.

I'd like to take a closer look at sabie's first two mentions of Glorfindel. My initial response was that these combined for a very good look for Glorf. Sabie made a pretty big stretch to drop some shade on him in the first post, but then completely walked that back in the follow-up. My impression was that sabie thought glorf could be a good target to frame as a suspect, but that idea was met with backlash and she had to change course. In this scenario, Glorfindel would be a civilian bystander, and sabie's handling of him would be something like a slip. Her initial suspicion was phony and she couldn't back it up, so she hastily got rid of it.

I still feel like this is probably the case, but it's not the only possibility here. Maybe the initial post was meant as a distancing tactic between sabie and glorf. After sitting on it, sabie wasn't comfortable with the position she'd put herself in (or maybe Glorfindel disapproved), and that was what prompted the change of course.

Either way, I feel like this an important development in Sabie's posts. I'm not entirely sure what to make of it myself and want to hear what others have to say.

Do you think this could be evidence that Glorf is the teammate/recruit that sabie was trying to throw under the bus?

[birdwithteeth11]

Sabie was around at EOD and “suspected” BWT and Sprityo, who ended the day tied with her at 2 votes each. She voted me to make it a 4 way tie instead of picking who dies between 2 players she suspected.

Jack is town and a prize mislynch but why didn’t she vote BWT or Sprityo? BWT was town.

Maybe she was planning to set me/BWT 1.0 up later on. It's the only conclusion that makes any sense to me there.

[birdwithteeth11]

@Sloonei

Tell me I’m right about Creature’s meta.

I've played one game with Creature. He was mafia. He didn't look too dissimilar to this, but I have been reading him as town since approximately 45 seconds before yesterday's deadline.

He’s posted like twice as much. You may not mislynch him, you fuzzy wuzzy wolf you.

Thanks for ignoring the part where I told you I'm town reading him.

I do not feel like you are even trying to read me.

I don't feel like Jack is taking this game that seriously. Can anyone who's played with him before confirm or deny this?

[Sloonei]

So mac has given up on defending himself or making cases on people he accuses? Or does that not even need to happen anymore because in games I've played lately it seems like people don't have to bother to give reasons anymore. Every time I think mac is bad because he's given up and doesn't care I end up being wrong so I dont know.

As of right now I don't know for sure. I have such a hard time making reads day 1. The exchange between creature and epi was interesting but I thought that about creature and another player before and everyone was like oh that's not weird and they weren't bad so I don't know. Could they be teammates? Maybe but I feel like they wouldn't be that obvious about it.

I feel like Jack and spirityo are usually more quick to go around making accusations and getting people to talk but have been more cautious this day 1. BWT also was quick to say vote epi but didnt and hasnt said much other than that they didnt know if they checked in.

We have yet to hear from oreki colin and dragomir

I dont think I've ever played with TSP before so I dont have anything to go on. Sloonei and LC seem like they're usual selves at this point.
Glorfindel seems to be making an effort to follow Jimmy's guide and be like a super civ. Could be an effort to make sure they seem as civ as possible when maybe they aren't.

I guess for me my suspicion is towards Jack and spirityo as when civ they usually are more aggressive in scum hunting and posting and this game they seem less so.

I'm sorry I'm not super familiar with glorfindel didnt mean any offense in the accusation just speculating on things. TSP is putting in effort to be involved and producing reads.

I'm not suspecting either of them at this time.

I dont remember playing with either of them before so by saying I dont have a lot to go on I just meant I dont know their playstyle. They're probably doing better than I am at this point.


Mac has gotten me mislynched day 1 before but he was civ just had the wrong idea about me.

I'd like to take a closer look at sabie's first two mentions of Glorfindel. My initial response was that these combined for a very good look for Glorf. Sabie made a pretty big stretch to drop some shade on him in the first post, but then completely walked that back in the follow-up. My impression was that sabie thought glorf could be a good target to frame as a suspect, but that idea was met with backlash and she had to change course. In this scenario, Glorfindel would be a civilian bystander, and sabie's handling of him would be something like a slip. Her initial suspicion was phony and she couldn't back it up, so she hastily got rid of it.

I still feel like this is probably the case, but it's not the only possibility here. Maybe the initial post was meant as a distancing tactic between sabie and glorf. After sitting on it, sabie wasn't comfortable with the position she'd put herself in (or maybe Glorfindel disapproved), and that was what prompted the change of course.

Either way, I feel like this an important development in Sabie's posts. I'm not entirely sure what to make of it myself and want to hear what others have to say.

Do you think this could be evidence that Glorf is the teammate/recruit that sabie was trying to throw under the bus?

If I were to guess, I’d say it makes more sense for Glorf to be the Master than the recruit here. Sabie’s initial attempt to shade him followed by an abrupt reversal could indicate BTSC between them, where there was a conscious plan at work in one post or the other.

The recruit would have had a two-vote protection on Day 1, but there would have been no reason for the mafia team to call attention to them one way or the other.

[Jackofhearts2005]

my life is completely falling apart so its fitting that I'm dead yall have fun.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Sloonei

Tell me I’m right about Creature’s meta.

I've played one game with Creature. He was mafia. He didn't look too dissimilar to this, but I have been reading him as town since approximately 45 seconds before yesterday's deadline.

He’s posted like twice as much. You may not mislynch him, you fuzzy wuzzy wolf you.

Thanks for ignoring the part where I told you I'm town reading him.

I do not feel like you are even trying to read me.

I don't feel like Jack is taking this game that seriously. Can anyone who's played with him before confirm or deny this?

Lol how dur you.

[TonyStarkPrime]

@Sloonei

Tell me I’m right about Creature’s meta.

I've played one game with Creature. He was mafia. He didn't look too dissimilar to this, but I have been reading him as town since approximately 45 seconds before yesterday's deadline.

He’s posted like twice as much. You may not mislynch him, you fuzzy wuzzy wolf you.

Thanks for ignoring the part where I told you I'm town reading him.

I do not feel like you are even trying to read me.

I don't feel like Jack is taking this game that seriously. Can anyone who's played with him before confirm or deny this?

He’s taking it seriously.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Sabie was around at EOD and “suspected” BWT and Sprityo, who ended the day tied with her at 2 votes each. She voted me to make it a 4 way tie instead of picking who dies between 2 players she suspected.

Jack is town and a prize mislynch but why didn’t she vote BWT or Sprityo? BWT was town.

Maybe she was planning to set me/BWT 1.0 up later on. It's the only conclusion that makes any sense to me there.

Maybe she knew she wasn’t actually in lynch contention? Not sure how but like maybe

[TonyStarkPrime]

Oh apparently my Apple emojis don’t transfer well

[JaggedJimmyJay]

On phone, post has to be shitty.

Long Con killed. He was General Maxson.

It’s Day 3 and you have 24 hours. I’ll give you a poll as soon as I am able. For now use the vote tags.

[Glorfindel]

Spoiler: show

So mac has given up on defending himself or making cases on people he accuses? Or does that not even need to happen anymore because in games I've played lately it seems like people don't have to bother to give reasons anymore. Every time I think mac is bad because he's given up and doesn't care I end up being wrong so I dont know.

As of right now I don't know for sure. I have such a hard time making reads day 1. The exchange between creature and epi was interesting but I thought that about creature and another player before and everyone was like oh that's not weird and they weren't bad so I don't know. Could they be teammates? Maybe but I feel like they wouldn't be that obvious about it.

I feel like Jack and spirityo are usually more quick to go around making accusations and getting people to talk but have been more cautious this day 1. BWT also was quick to say vote epi but didnt and hasnt said much other than that they didnt know if they checked in.

We have yet to hear from oreki colin and dragomir

I dont think I've ever played with TSP before so I dont have anything to go on. Sloonei and LC seem like they're usual selves at this point.
Glorfindel seems to be making an effort to follow Jimmy's guide and be like a super civ. Could be an effort to make sure they seem as civ as possible when maybe they aren't.

I guess for me my suspicion is towards Jack and spirityo as when civ they usually are more aggressive in scum hunting and posting and this game they seem less so.

I'm sorry I'm not super familiar with glorfindel didnt mean any offense in the accusation just speculating on things. TSP is putting in effort to be involved and producing reads.

I'm not suspecting either of them at this time.

I dont remember playing with either of them before so by saying I dont have a lot to go on I just meant I dont know their playstyle. They're probably doing better than I am at this point.


Mac has gotten me mislynched day 1 before but he was civ just had the wrong idea about me.

I'd like to take a closer look at sabie's first two mentions of Glorfindel. My initial response was that these combined for a very good look for Glorf. Sabie made a pretty big stretch to drop some shade on him in the first post, but then completely walked that back in the follow-up. My impression was that sabie thought glorf could be a good target to frame as a suspect, but that idea was met with backlash and she had to change course. In this scenario, Glorfindel would be a civilian bystander, and sabie's handling of him would be something like a slip. Her initial suspicion was phony and she couldn't back it up, so she hastily got rid of it.

I still feel like this is probably the case, but it's not the only possibility here. Maybe the initial post was meant as a distancing tactic between sabie and glorf. After sitting on it, sabie wasn't comfortable with the position she'd put herself in (or maybe Glorfindel disapproved), and that was what prompted the change of course.

Either way, I feel like this an important development in Sabie's posts. I'm not entirely sure what to make of it myself and want to hear what others have to say.

Well, my friend, if you want my opinion on this, I can assure you that your suspicion is unfounded. Talk with me. Ask me stuff. You know my reputation for telling the truth. I will not lie to you.

[birdwithteeth11]

RIP LC!

[VOTE: ColinisCool] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

Alternatively: Who is Sabie’s favorite player?

I think it’s you.

[Sloonei]

[mention]Glorfindel[/mention] if I have a specific concern that you can address regarding your own interactions with sabie, it's found in this post here:

@Sloonei Yes, lots! I agree with most of it to be honest. I don’t know that I’d be quite so keen to pronounce Creature as Town (I’m not saying that I think otherwise, I just don’t think his posts necessarily scream Town as you seem to suggest there). I also find myself contemplating more deeply the prospective alignments of birdwithteeth, Long Con and Sprityo. What really caught my attention though was your comment in respect of JackofHearts and particularly how it aligns to the comments made by Sabie12. I am working under an assumption that you my friend are firm Town for me. I know it’s early in the game but the fact that your view on him matches Sabie’s and that he’s been undeniably ‘thin’ in both the quantity and depths of his posts so far this game are prompting me to consider my vote with more care.

sabie and I may have observed the same characteristic in Jack's play, but my early stance was more favorable toward Jack than sabie's, which was unequivocally negative. I believe my final remark on him was that "goofy jack is usually town jack, but i want to see more from him anyway." You seem to have interpreted this as a confirmation of sabie's allegation that Jack being goofy = Jack being scum, which it was not.

So I guess my question(s) would be: why did you interpret my read and sabie's identically? What was your read on Jack on Days 1 & 2, and how does he look now?

I'd also like to ask about this question you had for Mac yesterday:

No offence, Mac but your impact on the game so far has been undeniably considerable. Your presence has been pretty consistently frequent and your posts have been provocative. You’re making a lot of waves. That’d be just the kind of player any Mafia team would want to convert.

Anyway, let me ask you. Your vote is currently on Sabie. Come EoD, and it becomes a tie between Creature and Sloonei, what do you do? Take a stance on one of them (and if so, which one) or sit on your hands? I’m just curious.

Why were you presenting a hypothetical scenario in which sabie was not in the running to be lynched? She was every bit as much of a suspect, if not more so, than myself for sure, and maybe Creature as well. Why did you frame this particular question at this time?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Sloonei could you stop highlighting stuff in lime green? It doesn’t show well at all in my screen settings.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei could you stop highlighting stuff in lime green? It doesn’t show well at all in my screen settings.

sorry. will make a note of it. i forget that not everyone's on the black background.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Alternatively: Who is Sabie’s favorite player?

I think it’s you.

I like Sabie.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Sloonei could you stop highlighting stuff in lime green? It doesn’t show well at all in my screen settings.

sorry. will make a note of it. i forget that not everyone's on the black background.

John 3:19

[TonyStarkPrime]

Sloonei could you stop highlighting stuff in lime green? It doesn’t show well at all in my screen settings.

sorry. will make a note of it. i forget that not everyone's on the black background.

Thanks it’s no big deal just a very minor quality of life thing for all of us (I’m sure others exist somewhere) who use light background on phone

[Sloonei]

Sloonei could you stop highlighting stuff in lime green? It doesn’t show well at all in my screen settings.

sorry. will make a note of it. i forget that not everyone's on the black background.

John 3:19

*flips through bible*

[Glorfindel]

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@Glorfindel if I have a specific concern that you can address regarding your own interactions with sabie, it's found in this post here:

@Sloonei Yes, lots! I agree with most of it to be honest. I don’t know that I’d be quite so keen to pronounce Creature as Town (I’m not saying that I think otherwise, I just don’t think his posts necessarily scream Town as you seem to suggest there). I also find myself contemplating more deeply the prospective alignments of birdwithteeth, Long Con and Sprityo. What really caught my attention though was your comment in respect of JackofHearts and particularly how it aligns to the comments made by Sabie12. I am working under an assumption that you my friend are firm Town for me. I know it’s early in the game but the fact that your view on him matches Sabie’s and that he’s been undeniably ‘thin’ in both the quantity and depths of his posts so far this game are prompting me to consider my vote with more care.

sabie and I may have observed the same characteristic in Jack's play, but my early stance was more favorable toward Jack than sabie's, which was unequivocally negative. I believe my final remark on him was that "goofy jack is usually town jack, but i want to see more from him anyway." You seem to have interpreted this as a confirmation of sabie's allegation that Jack being goofy = Jack being scum, which it was not.

So I guess my question(s) would be: why did you interpret my read and sabie's identically? What was your read on Jack on Days 1 & 2, and how does he look now?

I'd also like to ask about this question you had for Mac yesterday:

No offence, Mac but your impact on the game so far has been undeniably considerable. Your presence has been pretty consistently frequent and your posts have been provocative. You’re making a lot of waves. That’d be just the kind of player any Mafia team would want to convert.

Anyway, let me ask you. Your vote is currently on Sabie. Come EoD, and it becomes a tie between Creature and Sloonei, what do you do? Take a stance on one of them (and if so, which one) or sit on your hands? I’m just curious.

Why were you presenting a hypothetical scenario in which sabie was not in the running to be lynched? She was every bit as much of a suspect, if not more so, than myself for sure, and maybe Creature as well. Why did you frame this particular question at this time?

@Sloonei: I’m more than happy to address your concerns my friend.

1. Words are important and I fear that you have (presumably inadvertently) misrepresented my remarks in that post of mine that you quoted. I said that what caught my attention was how yours and Sabie’s comments on Jack aligned, not that they were identical. By this, I meant simply that you both clearly found something inherently suspicious in his play worthy of calling out publicly.

2. I bought into the suspicion on Sabie but openly admit that I bought into mot wanting to lynch her based on THAT post of Epi’s and her prestations about being an easy early game mislynch. Believing that my early suspicions of her were errant, I assumed that based on her comments about Jack and your comments about his play this game as sufficient reason to place my vote on him Day 1. I found (and still do) his posts to have an unusually high fluff content which is not what I recall having experienced from playing with him in the past. Yes, I’ll admit that Sabie flipping Mafia makes his Mafia alignment look a lot less likely but doesn’t necessarily rule it out entirely.

3. My question to Mac was (in part) a perhaps clumsy attempt at advancing the game (no, I’m not a player of Jay’s calibre and doubt that I ever will be but please give me credit for trying). Further, the scenario I presented to Mac was far from hypothetical. I think you’ll find that at the time I made that post, you and Creature were the joint lead wagons and the suspicions on Sabie had appeared to have gone cold (following Epi’s post, etc. etc...). I was concerned that our Mafia friends may have been attempting to build momentum to lynch you and wanted to feel Mac out to discern if he was likely to support what (at the time) was looking like a distinct possibility to me.

If I’ve failed to address your concerns, I’m happy to continue this conversation with you for however long it takes for you to see the truth. I’ve been honest in my response to you so I trust you will I understand that if I come off sounding either naive or clueless.

[Glorfindel]

Sloonei could you stop highlighting stuff in lime green? It doesn’t show well at all in my screen settings.

sorry. will make a note of it. i forget that not everyone's on the black background.

I have no problem with it. If you are planning on changing it, perhaps trial a few colours to confirm that they are acceptable to everyone. Perhaps then, we can all use the same colour for highlighting and make the game better for everyone?

[Glorfindel]

EBWOP

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@Glorfindel if I have a specific concern that you can address regarding your own interactions with sabie, it's found in this post here:

@Sloonei Yes, lots! I agree with most of it to be honest. I don’t know that I’d be quite so keen to pronounce Creature as Town (I’m not saying that I think otherwise, I just don’t think his posts necessarily scream Town as you seem to suggest there). I also find myself contemplating more deeply the prospective alignments of birdwithteeth, Long Con and Sprityo. What really caught my attention though was your comment in respect of JackofHearts and particularly how it aligns to the comments made by Sabie12. I am working under an assumption that you my friend are firm Town for me. I know it’s early in the game but the fact that your view on him matches Sabie’s and that he’s been undeniably ‘thin’ in both the quantity and depths of his posts so far this game are prompting me to consider my vote with more care.

sabie and I may have observed the same characteristic in Jack's play, but my early stance was more favorable toward Jack than sabie's, which was unequivocally negative. I believe my final remark on him was that "goofy jack is usually town jack, but i want to see more from him anyway." You seem to have interpreted this as a confirmation of sabie's allegation that Jack being goofy = Jack being scum, which it was not.

So I guess my question(s) would be: why did you interpret my read and sabie's identically? What was your read on Jack on Days 1 & 2, and how does he look now?

I'd also like to ask about this question you had for Mac yesterday:

No offence, Mac but your impact on the game so far has been undeniably considerable. Your presence has been pretty consistently frequent and your posts have been provocative. You’re making a lot of waves. That’d be just the kind of player any Mafia team would want to convert.

Anyway, let me ask you. Your vote is currently on Sabie. Come EoD, and it becomes a tie between Creature and Sloonei, what do you do? Take a stance on one of them (and if so, which one) or sit on your hands? I’m just curious.

Why were you presenting a hypothetical scenario in which sabie was not in the running to be lynched? She was every bit as much of a suspect, if not more so, than myself for sure, and maybe Creature as well. Why did you frame this particular question at this time?

@Sloonei: I’m more than happy to address your concerns my friend.

1. Words are important and I fear that you have (presumably inadvertently) misrepresented my remarks in that post of mine that you quoted. I said that what caught my attention was how yours and Sabie’s comments on Jack aligned, not that they were identical. By this, I meant simply that you both clearly found something inherently suspicious in his play worthy of calling out publicly.

2. I bought into the suspicion on Sabie but openly admit that I bought into not wanting to lynch her based on THAT post of Epi’s and her protestations about being an easy early game mislynch. Believing that my early suspicions of her were errant, I assumed that based on her comments about Jack and your comments about his play this game as sufficient reason to place my vote on him Day 1. I found (and still do) his posts to have an unusually high fluff content which is not what I recall having experienced from playing with him in the past when he was Town. Yes, I’ll admit that Sabie flipping Mafia makes his Mafia alignment look a lot less likely but doesn’t necessarily rule it out entirely.

3. My question to Mac was (in part) a perhaps clumsy attempt at advancing the game (no, I’m not a player of Jay’s calibre and doubt that I ever will be but please give me credit for trying). Further, the scenario I presented to Mac was far from hypothetical. I think you’ll find that at the time I made that post, you and Creature were the joint lead wagons and the suspicions on Sabie had appeared to have gone cold (following Epi’s post, etc. etc...). I was concerned that our Mafia friends may have been attempting to build momentum to lynch you and wanted to feel Mac out to discern if he was likely to support what (at the time) was looking like a distinct possibility to me.

If I’ve failed to address your concerns, I’m happy to continue this conversation with you for however long it takes for you to see the truth. I’ve been honest in my response to you so I trust you will I understand that if I come off sounding either naive or clueless.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei: I’m more than happy to address your concerns my friend.

1. Words are important and I fear that you have (presumably inadvertently) misrepresented my remarks in that post of mine that you quoted. I said that what caught my attention was how yours and Sabie’s comments on Jack aligned, not that they were identical. By this, I meant simply that you both clearly found something inherently suspicious in his play worthy of calling out publicly.

My concern is that I did not intend to frame Jack's behavior as suspicion. What I meant in my original analysis of him was that his play aligns more closely with Town Jack, but that I wanted more from him in spite of this. I don't think it's damning by any means that you interpreted as suspicion in line with what sabie was saying, but it's something I've taken note of.

2. I bought into the suspicion on Sabie but openly admit that I bought into mot wanting to lynch her based on THAT post of Epi’s and her prestations about being an easy early game mislynch. Believing that my early suspicions of her were errant, I assumed that based on her comments about Jack and your comments about his play this game as sufficient reason to place my vote on him Day 1. I found (and still do) his posts to have an unusually high fluff content which is not what I recall having experienced from playing with him in the past. Yes, I’ll admit that Sabie flipping Mafia makes his Mafia alignment look a lot less likely but doesn’t necessarily rule it out entirely.

3. My question to Mac was (in part) a perhaps clumsy attempt at advancing the game (no, I’m not a player of Jay’s calibre and doubt that I ever will be but please give me credit for trying). Further, the scenario I presented to Mac was far from hypothetical. I think you’ll find that at the time I made that post, you and Creature were the joint lead wagons and the suspicions on Sabie had appeared to have gone cold (following Epi’s post, etc. etc...). I was concerned that our Mafia friends may have been attempting to build momentum to lynch you and wanted to feel Mac out to discern if he was likely to support what (at the time) was looking like a distinct possibility to me.

If I’ve failed to address your concerns, I’m happy to continue this conversation with you for however long it takes for you to see the truth. I’ve been honest in my response to you so I trust you will I understand that if I come off sounding either naive or clueless.

I object to none of this.

Who should we be looking at to begin this day?

[Creature]

ColinIsCool - ColinIsNotCool
Creature - Obvtown through EOD2
Dragomir - Useless slot
Glorfindel - Town
Jackofhearts2005 - I might've been too precipitated to townread here
MacDougall - Possible recruit
Oreki / birdwithteeth11 - Been worthless so far
Sloonei - Town
sprityo - Town
TonyStarkPrime - Town

[sprityo]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] for the recruit, when they flip will their recruitment be indicated or will it just show their role?

[Sloonei]

What evidence is there to suggest that Mac was recruited?

[Creature]

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