Persona 5 Mafia [Game End]

[Dragomir]

People spend the whole game telling me I am faking my effort

I try something new that requires effort

FAKE EFFORT

JJJ cannot believe it *pikachu meme*

Perfectly reasonable, sensible, not silly at all.

The thing is...you don't go anywhere with that stuff that you make up. You just put it out there for nothing. Sure it may require effort but the effort is wasteful if it amounts to nothing.

[nutella]

Jay why tf are you still trying to defend the idea that Rej is suspicious

Are you a scrap of used saran wrap bc you're transparent garbage.

You have absolutely no idea how to read me.

This has been your only defense this entire game. "Nah you eedjits this is my civ meta obviously!" Very convincing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I can say that the analyses I am putting together now relate directly to this notion of "Plinko" we discussed. I do think there's potential in the idea, but it cannot be reliably assessed without looking closely. So I'm looking closely. I have never done this before, so I am not going to jump to conclusions until I have some idea of how players look in comparison. I don't know and cannot really infer what specific details mean until I can see how they're arranged within the roster.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay why tf are you still trying to defend the idea that Rej is suspicious

Are you a scrap of used saran wrap bc you're transparent garbage.

You have absolutely no idea how to read me.

This has been your only defense this entire game. "Nah you eedjits this is my civ meta obviously!" Very convincing.

Defending myself is pointless. Y'all don't listen. I'm just going to do my work and hope that civilians don't do dumb shit.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

People spend the whole game telling me I am faking my effort

I try something new that requires effort

FAKE EFFORT

JJJ cannot believe it *pikachu meme*

Perfectly reasonable, sensible, not silly at all.

The thing is...you don't go anywhere with that stuff that you make up. You just put it out there for nothing. Sure it may require effort but the effort is wasteful if it amounts to nothing.

I'm not even finished yet. I'm doing everyone.

[nutella]

I can say that the analyses I am putting together now relate directly to this notion of "Plinko" we discussed. I do think there's potential in the idea, but it cannot be reliably assessed without looking closely. So I'm looking closely. I have never done this before, so I am not going to jump to conclusions until I have some idea of how players look in comparison. I don't know and cannot really infer what specific details mean until I can see how they're arranged within the roster.

I have little interest in the "plinko" concept, if I'm understanding it correctly (and if I'm not I don't care anyway). I think that the construction of a deterministic-finite-automaton-like series of lynch candidates based on if-then statements is a trap that townies can fall into as easily as it can be used by scum.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I can say that the analyses I am putting together now relate directly to this notion of "Plinko" we discussed. I do think there's potential in the idea, but it cannot be reliably assessed without looking closely. So I'm looking closely. I have never done this before, so I am not going to jump to conclusions until I have some idea of how players look in comparison. I don't know and cannot really infer what specific details mean until I can see how they're arranged within the roster.

I have little interest in the "plinko" concept, if I'm understanding it correctly (and if I'm not I don't care anyway). I think that the construction of a deterministic-finite-automaton-like series of lynch candidates based on if-then statements is a trap that townies can fall into as easily as it can be used by scum.

I think townies can do things that look like that. Townies also do things that don't look like that. Mafia do things that look like that. Mafia struggle a lot more than townies to do things that don't look like that.

The last sentence there is the core of the theory that interests me. If it doesn't interest you then I don't care. I'm giving it a shot.

[TonyStarkPrime]

so I'm probably not going to get anyone to come with me on a nutella or drago lynch so 3rd on the list is Rej.
Someone tell me why I'm wrong that that's a perfectly fine option here.

[TonyStarkPrime]

one defense: seems highly unlikely that rej and nutella are w/w

[Jackofhearts2005]

Rej's tinfoil is crazy and totally out there and I can't imagine he'd be thinking on that many levels if he's not town.

Evenstar

Did plenty of scummy things before and after her crazy out there posts, unlike Rej.

[Jackofhearts2005]

People spend the whole game telling me I am faking my effort

I try something new that requires effort

FAKE EFFORT

JJJ cannot believe it *pikachu meme*

Perfectly reasonable, sensible, not silly at all.

The thing is...you don't go anywhere with that stuff that you make up. You just put it out there for nothing. Sure it may require effort but the effort is wasteful if it amounts to nothing.

Right. Which doesn’t do anything at all for town Jay’s wincon but he still wants credit for it.

Cause he’s scum.

[Dragomir]

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] do you think Rej and I are buddies?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Reads progressions for Dragomir

on Creature: Town read when town-hunting | Asks me why Creature isn't in my naw list | Sees potential for TSP/Creature team | How is Creature authentic? | Pretty sure this makes Creature town
on Epignosis: no read found
on Jack: Not liking Jack | No town read | Narrowed down to Jack and TSP | Seems to be looking for a replacement for Jack as a scum read? | Worried about Jack
on JJJ: Thinks JJJ is scum | Looking for arguments to help understand why I'm scum (and Epi) | Not impressed by my effort | Town for JJJ when hunting for town | Hates my Mac ISO | Likes my Rej ISO | Suggests my shifting reads are a good sign | Feels my efforts lead nowhere
on Long Con: Town just cause | What are we supposed to conclude about an inactive
on MacDougall: No town read on Mac | Support for Mac against me | Thinking about Mac/JJJ team
on nutella: Supports nutella against me | Could get behind my gripes at nutella | nutella contradiction | Really bad post | She looks much better than before | Town for nutella | Supports nutella against TSP
on Rej: Suspicion emoji | Complimentary of Rej | Town for Rej | Senses Rej is town | Likes my ISO with some Rej gripes | Defends Rej against Epi | And me
on sprityo: Town for sprityo | Potential replacement scum read | Can't read him
on Tony: Not liking TSP | Supports Rej against TSP | He's half-assing reads | Narrowed to Jack and TSP | Vote | Only positive thing about TSP | Pontential Creature/TSP team

Static reads: Jack, Long Con, Rej, TSP
Moving reads: Creature, JJJ, MacDougall, nutella, sprityo
Non-reads: Epignosis

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Right. Which doesn’t do anything at all for town Jay’s wincon but he still wants credit for it.

Cause he’s scum.

The fact that you think I want or expect credit for this shit tells me that you're not even reading this game anymore dude.

Y'all.

Don't.

Listen.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Reads progressions for Epignosis

I'm not linking posts anymore. Takes too much time.

on Creature: No clear opinion | Blank on Creature | Suspicious of Creature and recommends lynch
on Dragomir: Christian McCaffery | Stands by that take
on Jack: Not reading posts but feeling is positive
on JJJ: Teammates with nutella | Not going after him so bad | I don't lynch him D1 unless he goofs | Denies scum reading me
on Long Con: no read found
on MacDougall: Doesn't buy host-as-suspect/would lynch | Not moved by my turn in Mac's favor
on nutella: My teammate | Not allowed to read her or something
on Rej: Will have to revisit | Suspects Rej/teammate of Mac | Vote | Rej more his speed for lynch | Acting like a politician
on sprityo: Will have to revisit | Second-biggest civilian read | Honest and shoot-from-the-hip
on Tony: Fun that people are voting him out of the gate | Will have to revisit | Doesn't find him suspicious and wouldn't lynch him D1 | Didn't say he trusts him/wants to keep analyst alive

Static reads: Creature, Dragomir, Jack, MacDougall, nutella, Rej, sprityo, Tony
Moving reads: JJJ
Non-reads: Long Con

[Dragomir]

I posted reads on Epi.

[Rej]

[mention]nutella[/mention] if JJJ is scum who could be his buddy? and why? do you see Epi x JJJ as combination?

I found nothing to add in the last posts, I don't like how I am being tunneld while other options are also viable.

I am sure scum could be between Mac, Epi, TSP and JJJ

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] can I also receive a read progression?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I posted reads on Epi.

I didn't see them on a scan, so please point the way. I believe you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JaggedJimmyJay can I also receive a read progression?

Everyone will.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

I don't want to lynch Dragomir.

I'm moving my vote to an empty wagon until I'm finished with my work.

[Dragomir]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]
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[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay
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Thank you. Call it a static read.

[Dragomir]

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

I don't want to lynch Dragomir.

I'm moving my vote to an empty wagon until I'm finished with my work.

You can vote for nobody you know. It's an option on the poll.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

I don't want to lynch Dragomir.

I'm moving my vote to an empty wagon until I'm finished with my work.

You can vote for nobody you know. It's an option on the poll.

Oh yeah cool.

[VOTE: Nobody] aubergine

[Dragomir]

Jay, there are times that you make think that you're scum and there are times that you make me think that you're town. What do you think I should do to reach a conclusion on you?

[sprityo]

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

I don't want to lynch Dragomir.

I'm moving my vote to an empty wagon until I'm finished with my work.

You can vote for nobody you know. It's an option on the poll.

Oh yeah cool.

[VOTE: Nobody] aubergine

I just noticed this as well and hooh boy, let me drop a nice vote on Nobody

[Dragomir]

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

I don't want to lynch Dragomir.

I'm moving my vote to an empty wagon until I'm finished with my work.

You can vote for nobody you know. It's an option on the poll.

Oh yeah cool.

[VOTE: Nobody] aubergine

I just noticed this as well and hooh boy, let me drop a nice vote on Nobody

Why? What happened to Mac?

[sprityo]

Jay, there are times that you make think that you're scum and there are times that you make me think that you're town. What do you think I should do to reach a conclusion on you?

You're asking him to tell you what you should think?



linki: voting to tie is always better than sitting on a vote i dont have enough to back up

[sprityo]

Realistically, i can't actually tell when mac is scum because his approach is 9/10 the same in every game (which makes him a good player no doubt)

but having my vote where it was allowed for a more conducive voting environment, it's served its purpose and I now should back off of it and put the pressure elsewhere

either by adding to the tie or breaking another

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay, there are times that you make think that you're scum and there are times that you make me think that you're town. What do you think I should do to reach a conclusion on you?

I think you more than anyone else in this game are likely to be affected by what happened in our previous game together. You trusted me and I was a bad guy. Shit happens. It's natural then that you're going to be hyper-conscious of everything that I do in this game. It's a big reason why I think you're a civilian. Just be aware of that potential bias and be mindful of it as you assess me here. It will influence every judgment you make of what I am doing here.

I'm a civilian, and I am not at all like I was in that game. If you step back and take an objective look I think you can see that.

[Rej]

Jay, there are times that you make think that you're scum and there are times that you make me think that you're town. What do you think I should do to reach a conclusion on you?

Just mark him orange

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Reads progressions for Jack

on Creature: Defended Creature against Mac | And against me
on Dragomir: Townreads him | Likes his aggression against me | Town on reads list | Projecting towniness
on Epignosis: Defends Epi against me | Not featured in reads list | Epi is boring | Would vote Epi/Tony over Rej
on JJJ: Jay is a wolf | How does it feel to get caught D0 | There's a ton here. I don't believe he has read me any other way than mafia to this point. Correct me Jack if needed.
on Long Con: Not teamed with me
on MacDougall: Wants to know why Mac scumread the host | Didn't say it was suspicious | Town leans eventually | Townlean on reads list | Bases that on speedchuck thing and Mac's read on me
on nutella: Hot take town read | Doesn't think she's teamed with me | Town read on her in reads list
on Rej: Townlean in reads list | For looking comfortable | Would vote Tony/Epi over Rej
on sprityo: Wishes he knew how to read him | In the POE
on Tony: Suspicion emoji | Wishes he knew how to read him | In the POE | Thinks a post sounds fake | Would vote Tony/Epi over Rej

Static reads: Creature, Dragomir, JJJ, MacDougall, nutella, Rej, Tony
Moving reads: Epignosis
Non-reads: Long Con, sprityo

[Epignosis]

Lose your voice Jay?

I might be looking to stream defenses against Miami and offenses against Cincinnati.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Reads progressions for MacDougall

on Creature: Is null and doesn't like it | Creature isn't contributing to game solving
on Dragomir: Pretty comfortable with him
on Epignosis: Way to disrupt | Maybe Epi is on to something with nutella/JJJ | Defends Epignosis against me/nutella | Epi seems fine | Calls Epi/JJJ votes "interesting af"
on Jack: Credits Jack in interaction with me | Pretty comfortable with him |
on JJJ: Doesn't like my rainbow | Holy shit you're really mafia | Suggests I'm angling his mislynch | Says I am lying/in bad faith in our argument | Voting Jay and probably leaving it there | Voted with me after the spat but no new read stated
on Long Con: No read found
on nutella: Asks about nutella's frustration | Cracking up usually a civ tell | Doesn't like nutella humoring my rainbow | Very comfortable with her
on Rej: Gives him a town point for read on him | Pretty comfortable with him | Rej pocketed him with kind words
on sprityo: Mafia with Tony and the host | Emoji tell | Not making it past D1 | Teamed with me | Lame troll | Vote because his reads are not pro-town | Doesn't care about anything other than fighting Mac | Not contributing to game solving
on Tony: Mafia with sprityo and the host | Mafia with me and sprityo | Not civ

Static reads: Creature, Dragomir, Epignosis, Jack, JJJ, Rej, sprityo, Tony
Moving reads: nutella
Non-reads: Long Con

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Lose your voice Jay?

I might be looking to stream defenses against Miami and offenses against Cincinnati.

We suck as much as goal-line Panthers playcalling.

[Epignosis]

One issue I still have with @TonyStarkPrime is what seems to me like a lack of progression in his reads. I am not sure any of them have truly budged since their genesis. Rej is the closest thing to a shift, and that's only barely a thing.

Scum just timed the lynch on me very well, I was going to bed. Coincidence.

I go back to the theory that Epignosis is scum and trying to make me look bad should rather be an inside job by scum. Atleast I maintained to be discussion topic for some parts of the previous pages and that is good, because it shows that my previous posts had effect.

Glad I can vote Epignosis without it to account as OMGUS vote, all my suspiciouns since D0 can be proven in this single vote:

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Yes, I'm sure the mafia discussed your bedtime in chat.

If you aren't worth my vote, who is? My mind is open.

Because if I shouldn't be voting for you, then you shouldn't be voting for me.

[Epignosis]

Lose your voice Jay?

I might be looking to stream defenses against Miami and offenses against Cincinnati.

We suck as much as goal-line Panthers playcalling.

It's true.

[Epignosis]

Moved my vote to Creature because.

[Rej]

One issue I still have with @TonyStarkPrime is what seems to me like a lack of progression in his reads. I am not sure any of them have truly budged since their genesis. Rej is the closest thing to a shift, and that's only barely a thing.

Scum just timed the lynch on me very well, I was going to bed. Coincidence.

I go back to the theory that Epignosis is scum and trying to make me look bad should rather be an inside job by scum. Atleast I maintained to be discussion topic for some parts of the previous pages and that is good, because it shows that my previous posts had effect.

Glad I can vote Epignosis without it to account as OMGUS vote, all my suspiciouns since D0 can be proven in this single vote:

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Yes, I'm sure the mafia discussed your bedtime in chat.

If you aren't worth my vote, who is? My mind is open.

Because if I shouldn't be voting for you, then you shouldn't be voting for me.

I have to obtain another tinfoil to move my vote, let me have a closer look at the Creature wagon.

[Dragomir]

Jay, there are times that you make think that you're scum and there are times that you make me think that you're town. What do you think I should do to reach a conclusion on you?

Just mark him orange

Orange makes him in my scum reads. I don't want to unless I'm sure or leaning it.

[Dragomir]

Jay, there are times that you make think that you're scum and there are times that you make me think that you're town. What do you think I should do to reach a conclusion on you?

I think you more than anyone else in this game are likely to be affected by what happened in our previous game together. You trusted me and I was a bad guy. Shit happens. It's natural then that you're going to be hyper-conscious of everything that I do in this game. It's a big reason why I think you're a civilian. Just be aware of that potential bias and be mindful of it as you assess me here. It will influence every judgment you make of what I am doing here.

I'm a civilian, and I am not at all like I was in that game. If you step back and take an objective look I think you can see that.

Thank you for your answer.

[Dragomir]

Lose your voice Jay?

I might be looking to stream defenses against Miami and offenses against Cincinnati.

We suck as much as goal-line Panthers playcalling.

Shots fired

What team is your favorite?

[Epignosis]

So I don't have to go back and look:

Spoiler: show

Who needs their heart changed?

Poll runs till Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:56 pmPlease note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.
You may select 1 option

Creature
2
17%


Voters: Epignosis, MacDougall

Dragomir
0
No votes


Voters: None

Epignosis
2
17%


Voters: Rej, Creature

Jackofhearts2005
0
No votes


Voters: None

JaggedJimmyJay
2
17%


Voters: Jackofhearts2005, nutella

Long Con
0
No votes


Voters: None

MacDougall
0
No votes


Voters: None

nutella
0
No votes


Voters: None

Rej
1
8%


Voters: TonyStarkPrime

sprityo
0
No votes


Voters: None

TonyStarkPrime
1
8%


Voters: Dragomir

Nobody
2
17%


Voters: sprityo, JaggedJimmyJay

Principal Kobayakawa (host/mod/non)
2
17%


Voters: speedchuck, Sloonei


Total votes: 12

[Dragomir]

[mention]nutella[/mention] join me on TSP. Jay is town. [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] I think you should let go of your Jay vote. Would you care to join the TSP wagon?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

nutella reads progression

on Creature: He can be in the towncore | Agrees with my reads/Creature green | Potentially teamed with me | Again solidified town
on Dragomir: Agrees with my green read | He's pure | Defends him against Tony
on Epignosis: Agrees with my orange read | Epi's confidence in reading her is a red flag | Other factors make her view Epi as sketchy | Epi or sprityo alternative votes to TSP or me | Vote
on Jack: Hot take Tony/Jack w/w | Agrees with my orange read | Jack is a yes man | Marination | Psycholinguistic credit thing
on JJJ: Making up bullshit | You're bad this is bad I hate it | Other factors lead her to Jay more likely town | Watch your drool | Saran wrap
on Long Con: No read found
on MacDougall: He can be in the towncore | Fuzzy feelings | Agrees with my green read | Subscribes to newsletter | Defends against sprityo |
on Rej: Immediate impression is fine | Too tinfoil to be mafia | Hard defense against me
on sprityo: Agrees with my orange read | Likely teammate of Tony | Mac vote is nasty | Potential alternate vote to me/Tony
on Tony: Hot take Tony/Jack w/w | Agrees with my orange read | Down for consensus vote on Tony | Occam's Razor points to Tony/sprityo

Static reads: Creature, Dragomir, Epignosis, MacDougall, Rej, sprityo, Tony
Moving reads: Jack, JJJ
Non-reads: Long Con

[TonyStarkPrime]

@nutella join me on TSP. Jay is town. @Jackofhearts2005 I think you should let go of your Jay vote. Would you care to join the TSP wagon?

[TonyStarkPrime]

hmm so probably not drago/JJJ but maybe drago/epi or drago/creature
I just need to make a table

[TonyStarkPrime]

Drago/Jack feels right I think that's it someone write it down

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Drago/Jack feels right I think that's it someone write it down

Why Jack?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Creature
Dragomir
Rej
sprityo
MacDougall

nutella
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005
JaggedJimmyJay
TonyStarkPrime

really rough D0 colourchart

When and why did you decide Dragomir is town?