Persona 5 Mafia [Game End]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I will literally lynch myself on Day 2 if y'all can't get over this shit. It's a rare day when things get this dire, but I genuinely don't see how the civilians can win this game if they cannot get me out of their heads. I absolutely hate to be in this position in a game with what figures to be very few mislynches available, but I am seriously at a loss. If I can't get through to anyone no matter how hard I try, then my presence here is a problem.

dude I feel like you say this all the time (idk if there's a pattern to if you say it as scum more but that's not my point) and it's complete and total garbage. if you're town I think we are more than capable of getting through to lynching the real bad guys without having to lynch you first. it may be with a lot of resistance and arguing, but I mean look at how d1 went, I and Jack were pretty set on lynching you but ended up not doing it. that could happen one more time and we could win the game. if you're scum, the game (presumably) ends if we lynch you anyway. so what's the point of saying shit like this? it's rude tbh, and pretty arrogant too, to assume we can't "get over" a misguided suspicion or that we even have to in order to win the game. I fucking hate when you say this stuff.

I could probably count the number of times I have ever felt like "lynch myself" may be necessary on one hand. I know I annoy the shit out of you on many levels in every game, but this isn't one of them. It barely ever happens. I have been heavily suspected before, but I rarely feel like this.

I am saying that this isn't a slight on any of you. I genuinely understand the suspicion. I just don't want to be a giant distraction that prevents other good players from finding the answers when I know I'm not the answer.

I also believe that you're all capable of getting me right. Like, I never said otherwise. Being associated with these asinine mindsets is also offensive to me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also, some of that kind of shit is better suited for a PM to the MoD.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Like, if the presence of a popular misguided suspicion in the thread that never comes to fruition as a lynch spells doom for town, then town would never win games. You're just being all self-important about it.

I'm being self-aware about it. You might find it "arrogant", but suspicions of me tend to devour more threadspace than suspicions of other people. It's not because "I'm awesome" or "I'm the best player" or whatever other shit you're assuming is in my head -- it's because I have 400 posts and my footprints are on every page.

[nutella]

Like, if the presence of a popular misguided suspicion in the thread that never comes to fruition as a lynch spells doom for town, then town would never win games. You're just being all self-important about it.

I'm being self-aware about it. You might find it "arrogant", but suspicions of me tend to devour more threadspace than suspicions of other people. It's not because "I'm awesome" or "I'm the best player" or whatever other shit you're assuming is in my head -- it's because I have 400 posts and my footprints are on every page.

Man you really don't understand how I think.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Creature's early posts were authentic af, and sprit's were meh at best

I'd also agree with this general assertion (though I'd remove the "af"). Still, I think that trend has flipped as the game has proceeded. Creature hasn't made an authentic-sounding post in a long while in my opinion. sprityo has seemed okay in limited appearances.

[nutella]

Also you're completely missing my point especially in 1449.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Like, if the presence of a popular misguided suspicion in the thread that never comes to fruition as a lynch spells doom for town, then town would never win games. You're just being all self-important about it.

I'm being self-aware about it. You might find it "arrogant", but suspicions of me tend to devour more threadspace than suspicions of other people. It's not because "I'm awesome" or "I'm the best player" or whatever other shit you're assuming is in my head -- it's because I have 400 posts and my footprints are on every page.

Man you really don't understand how I think.

Likewise

[nutella]

We don't have to get over our suspicion of you. I don't care if it takes up thread space. Incorrect suspicions take up thread space all the time. We can still win the damn game. Go to sleep.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

We don't have to get over our suspicion of you. I don't care if it takes up thread space. Incorrect suspicions take up thread space all the time. We can still win the damn game. Go to sleep.

If I didn't think we could win I would have gone to sleep hours ago.

[MacDougall]

We don't have to get over our suspicion of you. I don't care if it takes up thread space. Incorrect suspicions take up thread space all the time. We can still win the damn game. Go to sleep.

I understand you and empathise but I think you need to understand that Jay has to deal with things in his way and he does so all the time and expecting otherwise is folly.

[sprityo]

Too much blathering.

Get to the point

I want long con or creature lynched tomorrow

Any other option doesn’t seem nearly as viable

Like how no one thought tony was town, or almost no one.

Who are the opposition to thinking LC/Creature are town? Everyone else at least has some modicum of townness about them. It’s like a pseudo GTH

[sprityo]

I worded that wrong, in my rush to use big words

Who thinks they are town, and if so why? (Especially Nutella who has a vested interest in creature for some odd reason that I can’t recall seeing earlier)

[MacDougall]

Too much blathering.

Get to the point

I want long con or creature lynched tomorrow

Any other option doesn’t seem nearly as viable

Like how no one thought tony was town, or almost no one.

Who are the opposition to thinking LC/Creature are town? Everyone else at least has some modicum of townness about them. It’s like a pseudo GTH

So rather than converse with each other we should just shut up and lynch the low poster and the no poster?

Sounds heaps fun.

[Creature]

Spoiler: there's a busser

[Creature]

Is authentic a new buzzword?

[Dragomir]

You are welcome to continue to gamesolve alongside replying to and dealing with fair suspicion. I do believe that is the fundamental essence of the game. Defend yourself from suspicion and make your own? No? Not sure why you needing to do so should stun you into absurd freak outs. Is it because you feel like you are beyond reproach?

I keep seeing that I am not doing things and it is driving me nuts.

I have gamesolved my ass off all night and I feel pretty good about where I sit. I have gamesolved so much that I genuinely don't know what more to gamesolve right now.

On the basis of Tony interactions, voting behavior, face value gut reads, and activity in this night phase I have a clear POE pool: Creature, Epignosis, sprityo, and Long Con. I would tend to order them accordingly, though sprityo and Long Con might as well be interchangeable. Everyone else I can provide a strong reason to read as a civilian.

I feel like I have solved the game. My ability to pursue alternatives is wrapped in theories about possible bussers -- it's all highly speculative, and my feeling is that Rej would be the best bet in that universe.

You are obviously doing things and I don't think anyone would say it's as simple as that you are not. I think you are being suspected a little more than usual because there are some idiosyncrasies to your approach this time, and everyone here is very used to heavy amounts of Jay ergo we have preconceived notions of what to expect from you that are not entirely being met. I will add that it's not fair for me to be as blunt in my appraisal as I was before. I do in fact know how you feel, very much so, it is a cross I also constantly bear. And yours is a complex emotional response that is natural for players like us when civilian. "Why are you scum reading me ffs I am so obviously town", when in fact it is very obvious to everyone else that you are not obviously town even though you probably are.

Of major concern, always, is that I'd go as far as to say that you probably replicate that very emotional response on purpose because you know that it gets people off your back, even when you are a civ, perhaps especially when you are a civ. I do it, so I am sure you also do it. Given that fact, it's impossible for me, and probably many others you play with consistently to ever really truly believe it.

All that aside, it is simply the fact that you are always within your Mafia range that has you perennially tinfoiled. It has been this way for years. I sympathise but it is always the case. It's like a midday move we've already seen so many times before. It's a routine process of the simulation. Jay gets tinfoiled. News at 11.

Truly, the only way prolific players like you and I ever convince other civilians to drop tinfoil is by virtue of destroying wolves (I belabour the plural) with what are CLEARLY our own cases. Which you haven't satisfied yet here obviously. This is the heart of why I warded people against lynching you yesterday. You solve yourself, the same way I do. If we are alive in the late game and we haven't wrecked wolves, we are usually wolves.

Never thought I'd see the day where townies do appeal to motion fallacies.

[Creature]

Like how no one thought tony was town, or almost no one.

At some point I thought he was town although I didn't remember.

I think he's just treated differently because the one game he was townread he happened to be scum.

Everyone else at least has some modicum of townness about them.

Indicates the scum is among the most active.

[Creature]

Too much blathering.

Get to the point

I want long con or creature lynched tomorrow

Any other option doesn’t seem nearly as viable

Like how no one thought tony was town, or almost no one.

Who are the opposition to thinking LC/Creature are town? Everyone else at least has some modicum of townness about them. It’s like a pseudo GTH

So rather than converse with each other we should just shut up and lynch the low poster and the no poster?

Sounds heaps fun.

Yah that post was bad

Most likely we're just two mislynches

[Creature]

Oh right, sprityo voted nobody and is acting hypocritical.

Probably town though.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sorry I bugged out last night. Got caught up cleaning the house for the exterminator (pantry moths that like bathrooms and under couches instead of pantries and the last company got them 95% gone but we’re aiming for 100%) and reading The Boys, which is not a good comic but I’m too invested in it to not get to the end now.

Find Tony’s buddy then?

[Jackofhearts2005]

TonyStarkPrime, could you gimme some quick gun-to-head reads on everyone?

-Creature
-Dragomir
-Epignosis
-Jackofhearts2005
-JaggedJimmyJay
-Long Con
-MacDougall
-nutella
-Rej
-sprityo

Since you asked
town
scum
sort out
sort out
sort out
sort out
town unless with Nutella
scum
scum
town

I have no current interest in reading the top three sort outs and LC has no posts

“But that’s not the point of GTH”
“Well I gave you three scum so I guess town town town but I legitimately have very few thoughts”

The red sticks out. That's Mac and nutella Tony is drawing attention to. That's a variant on a mafia trick I've used (although it's poorly executed). If TSP and Mac are bad together, then nutella's reveal solidifies Mac's goodness. If TSP and nutella are bad together, it solidifies nutella's goodness.

MacDougall and nutella are my present suspects.

While I want to leave myself open to reevaluating reads based on my idea of town playerx, I don’t think I’ll flip reads over this wine.

I can see this being a real thought from Epi though.

[Jackofhearts2005]

That’s not a typo. Player X. Like my idea of townie Nutella or townie Mac.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If The Boys is not worth reading, Highlander Laddie is really not worth reading. Hughie is far and away my favorite character in the series with Annie as a close second or third but it’s just real mundane next to the rest of the series.

And it’s like “of course you like Hughie, ya dumbo. He’s the everyman in a comic about a bunch of jerks killing bigger jerks that are expies for popular superheroes. He has a heart of gold and terrible luck and he’s one of the only people in the series that is ever nice to anyone. This is how-to-create-sympathy-for-a-character-101.”

And it’s also like “oh you go 6 issues without anyone getting brutally murdered and the antagonists are just regular gangsters instead of nazi Wonder Man or rapist Flash and suddenly you’re bored.”

Don’t read The Boys. I hear the show is alright though.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Tony got bussed. I'm sold. He's waving flags at his accusers and trying to mask which one did it.

I can get behind this theory

Later...

Sprityo: Or maybe it was a player who wasn’t around.

Cool cool.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Tony got bussed. I'm sold. He's waving flags at his accusers and trying to mask which one did it.

Jay’s late vote aside, my problem is that the Tony wagon is exactly all my townreads before Tony flipped.

I agree Tony went into antispew somewhere around the point he voted for Jay.

How did Tony's lynch change things for you with regard to other people? If that's your meaning.

For my townreads? It didn't.

[Dragomir]

I'm finna get to explaining my read on Rej soon. Just not now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So I was thinking over the Mafia game while enjoying a nice shower as I am often wont to do, and I found myself stuck in a particular place:

Even within my POE, I have seen glimmers of things that look like civilians (Epignosis, Creature, and sprityo). I cannot pretend that lynching them would be something that gives me immense confidence, particularly with busser tinfoil ever-present. However, there's a direction that will all tend to point, when everyone seems like they can be fine.

Long Con.

[Dragomir]

So I was thinking over the Mafia game while enjoying a nice shower as I am often wont to do, and I found myself stuck in a particular place:

Even within my POE, I have seen glimmers of things that look like civilians (Epignosis, Creature, and sprityo). I cannot pretend that lynching them would be something that gives me immense confidence, particularly with busser tinfoil ever-present. However, there's a direction that will all tend to point, when everyone seems like they can be fine.

Long Con.

What about him?

[nutella]

I worded that wrong, in my rush to use big words

Who thinks they are town, and if so why? (Especially Nutella who has a vested interest in creature for some odd reason that I can’t recall seeing earlier)

Creature has been tragic mislynch bait on this site so far. I played a game with him on MU and I feel like I "get" him just a little bit more, and I am reasonably confident he is town here. I could be completely wrong but it's a feeling I don't want to set aside lightly.

[nutella]

Is authentic a new buzzword?

Very much not new

[Rej]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

Are you always acting like this when people throw shades on you? In the last vanilla oriented game I played I suspected towns jailor as vanilla the whole game.
We won it together when he suspected me and jailed me while no kill happened. We just got our balls together.

I see nothing wrong with suspecting a person that is highly confident they are town. You overact alot if its about suspicion on you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So I was thinking over the Mafia game while enjoying a nice shower as I am often wont to do, and I found myself stuck in a particular place:

Even within my POE, I have seen glimmers of things that look like civilians (Epignosis, Creature, and sprityo). I cannot pretend that lynching them would be something that gives me immense confidence, particularly with busser tinfoil ever-present. However, there's a direction that will all tend to point, when everyone seems like they can be fine.

Long Con.

What about him?

He's the only player remaining for whom I can identify nothing of any potentially civilian orientation. There's no reason it can't just be him.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay

Are you always acting like this when people throw shades on you? In the last vanilla oriented game I played I suspected towns jailor as vanilla the whole game.
We won it together when he suspected me and jailed me while no kill happened. We just got our balls together.

I see nothing wrong with suspecting a person that is highly confident they are town. You overact alot if its about suspicion on you.

I do what I do for reasons.

[nutella]

So I was thinking over the Mafia game while enjoying a nice shower as I am often wont to do, and I found myself stuck in a particular place:

Even within my POE, I have seen glimmers of things that look like civilians (Epignosis, Creature, and sprityo). I cannot pretend that lynching them would be something that gives me immense confidence, particularly with busser tinfoil ever-present. However, there's a direction that will all tend to point, when everyone seems like they can be fine.

Long Con.

What about him?

He's the only player remaining for whom I can identify nothing of any potentially civilian orientation. There's no reason it can't just be him.

What about his plea that lynching him would be a bad idea?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So I was thinking over the Mafia game while enjoying a nice shower as I am often wont to do, and I found myself stuck in a particular place:

Even within my POE, I have seen glimmers of things that look like civilians (Epignosis, Creature, and sprityo). I cannot pretend that lynching them would be something that gives me immense confidence, particularly with busser tinfoil ever-present. However, there's a direction that will all tend to point, when everyone seems like they can be fine.

Long Con.

What about him?

He's the only player remaining for whom I can identify nothing of any potentially civilian orientation. There's no reason it can't just be him.

What about his plea that lynching him would be a bad idea?

Ope, I guess that's that.

(it's meaningless to me, especially considering his next post)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Did Tony seem like a player at EOD who had the support of a teammate? He was kinda just screwing off there after all.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

a person that is highly confident they are town.

I chuckled

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Spoiler: there's a busser

who

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Exercise: imagine we have somehow confirmed with the most advanced Mafia technology on the market that there was indeed a busser in the Day 1 lynch.

Please rank the Tony voters in order of most-to-least likely busser based on whatever criteria you feel is most important.

If you don't think it was a busser, oh well. We need to cover all the bases, eh?

[speedchuck]

DAY 2

[mention]Long Con[/mention] has been killed! He was Ann Takamaki, vanilla town.

Day 2 has begun!

It will last 48 hours.

[speedchuck]

If a significant number of players have an issue with the off-schedule end time, I can remove it and add 5 hours to the day. I would have to end the poll manually in that case, but such is life.

[Rej]

Poor Long Con, why mafia killed him off when they could order a mislynch on him if they played well.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yeah, Long Con was in pretty much everyone's POE. No idea why he would have been shot.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Exercise: imagine we have somehow confirmed with the most advanced Mafia technology on the market that there was indeed a busser in the Day 1 lynch.

Please rank the Tony voters in order of most-to-least likely busser based on whatever criteria you feel is most important.

If you don't think it was a busser, oh well. We need to cover all the bases, eh?

Jay -> Rej -> Nutella -> Mac -> Drago

[Jackofhearts2005]

So I was thinking over the Mafia game while enjoying a nice shower as I am often wont to do, and I found myself stuck in a particular place:

Even within my POE, I have seen glimmers of things that look like civilians (Epignosis, Creature, and sprityo). I cannot pretend that lynching them would be something that gives me immense confidence, particularly with busser tinfoil ever-present. However, there's a direction that will all tend to point, when everyone seems like they can be fine.

Long Con.

What about him?

He's the only player remaining for whom I can identify nothing of any potentially civilian orientation. There's no reason it can't just be him.

If Jay killed LC after posting this, that's really funny and really good wine.

[nutella]

"How's that? Hehehe..."

[nutella]

So I was thinking over the Mafia game while enjoying a nice shower as I am often wont to do, and I found myself stuck in a particular place:

Even within my POE, I have seen glimmers of things that look like civilians (Epignosis, Creature, and sprityo). I cannot pretend that lynching them would be something that gives me immense confidence, particularly with busser tinfoil ever-present. However, there's a direction that will all tend to point, when everyone seems like they can be fine.

Long Con.

What about him?

He's the only player remaining for whom I can identify nothing of any potentially civilian orientation. There's no reason it can't just be him.

If Jay killed LC after posting this, that's really funny and really good wine.

"This effin' rocks!"

[Jackofhearts2005]

So I was thinking over the Mafia game while enjoying a nice shower as I am often wont to do, and I found myself stuck in a particular place:

Even within my POE, I have seen glimmers of things that look like civilians (Epignosis, Creature, and sprityo). I cannot pretend that lynching them would be something that gives me immense confidence, particularly with busser tinfoil ever-present. However, there's a direction that will all tend to point, when everyone seems like they can be fine.

Long Con.

What about him?

He's the only player remaining for whom I can identify nothing of any potentially civilian orientation. There's no reason it can't just be him.

If Jay killed LC after posting this, that's really funny and really good wine.

"This effin' rocks!"

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Okay then.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If a significant number of players have an issue with the off-schedule end time, I can remove it and add 5 hours to the day. I would have to end the poll manually in that case, but such is life.

Whatever's most convenient for you, chucakroo. 5 hours would be fine with me.