Dogs vs. Cats [END]

[speedchuck]

Those who haven't already provided a read on speedchuck are now required by law to do so.

Doggo

[speedchuck]

Also about Rej, he pinged me to see me posting. This is not a scum behaviour and that post, the first i've read, sounded okay. Not a Rej scum read yet either. Ftr anytime i was villager i could read him and he knows it. Scum Rej would not @ me.

Do you have a past with Rej or is this just commenting on general scum behavior, with Rej trying to further conversation instead of letting you stay quiet?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

"Hard to buy speedchuck's progression in this obvious joke."
"How dare speed not buy Dragomir's progression in this obvious joke."

Mine was not a joke at all, so it certainly wasn't an obvious joke. "Tell me more" meaning "expand on your read" meaning "why" seems pretty obvious though.

Yes. I was mitigating your comment because I don't think it excuses the behavior. Meta reads are trash. And Rej just popped an 'interesting' tell a few posts ago, so that's juici. Where should I be moving?

Do you think Rej is bad?

[Rej]

Also about Rej, he pinged me to see me posting. This is not a scum behaviour and that post, the first i've read, sounded okay. Not a Rej scum read yet either. Ftr anytime i was villager i could read him and he knows it. Scum Rej would not @ me.

Do you have a past with Rej or is this just commenting on general scum behavior, with Rej trying to further conversation instead of letting you stay quiet?

I am not good with numbers but she hosted for me and we maybe played 2 or 3 games together. I feel like they were never full games.
So she also saw me from the perspective of host.

[speedchuck]

"Hard to buy speedchuck's progression in this obvious joke."
"How dare speed not buy Dragomir's progression in this obvious joke."

Mine was not a joke at all, so it certainly wasn't an obvious joke. "Tell me more" meaning "expand on your read" meaning "why" seems pretty obvious though.

Ah, 'twas I who was making the joke. Picturing you as a self-important town fetishist getting your gob swiggening, while ignoring the context of your post. (As 'Tell me more' might as well be a catchphrase of yours by now)
It's less funny now that it is biting me.

Yes. I was mitigating your comment because I don't think it excuses the behavior. Meta reads are trash. And Rej just popped an 'interesting' tell a few posts ago, so that's juici. Where should I be moving?

Do you think Rej is bad?

I have moderate suspicion there. Too much to dismiss, but I'm not married to it.

[speedchuck]

Also about Rej, he pinged me to see me posting. This is not a scum behaviour and that post, the first i've read, sounded okay. Not a Rej scum read yet either. Ftr anytime i was villager i could read him and he knows it. Scum Rej would not @ me.

Do you have a past with Rej or is this just commenting on general scum behavior, with Rej trying to further conversation instead of letting you stay quiet?

I am not good with numbers but she hosted for me and we maybe played 2 or 3 games together. I feel like they were never full games.
So she also saw me from the perspective of host.

So have I but I wasn't paying attention. And also you were 3P I think.
So she probably knows you better than I do. Her trash meta read would be better than mine.

[Rej]

wait, Epignosis is also playing?

just looked at Long Con. He went like -> interaction with JJJ/push against Dragomir -> distancing(?)
[mention]Long Con[/mention] did you distance yourself there?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

[novaselinenever]

What's up?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

At this rate I am frankly inclined to lynch a low poster. I've the most active suspicion of Fayt among them. I hate lynching newcomers on Day 1; I'll do what I think is best though. I feel no obligation to keep sprityo or TSP alive either.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

wait, Epignosis is also playing?

just looked at Long Con. He went like -> interaction with JJJ/push against Dragomir -> distancing(?)
Long Con did you distance yourself there?

What do you mean by "distancing" here?

[Rej]

wait, Epignosis is also playing?

just looked at Long Con. He went like -> interaction with JJJ/push against Dragomir -> distancing(?)
Long Con did you distance yourself there?

What do you mean by "distancing" here?

there was a big time span between his last two posts, it could be possible that he gave fuel to the Drago wagon, he also keeps his vote on him and has yet to revisit the cases with new information. this is what you are supposed to do when you place votes and plan to change them.
could be that LC is busy, I also don't know his meta, could be that it's a scumtell, they way he voted and then didn't come back to anything, and he doesn't make it in time to justify probably. the Long Con lynch would be a gamble, but a gamble with justification. you understand me? xd what do you think?

also is TSP a non poster?

[speedchuck]

TSP ISO

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Someone tell me why Long Con is a civilian.

[novaselinenever]

I like Fayt. They seem to be unsure about a lot of things and trying to go through different scenarios and how that would affect their stances. I don't feel like it's some manipulation or with ulterior motives to keep their options open, especially with how they seem to stumble to articulate their thoughts. It strikes me as natural, and not something fabricated.

[speedchuck]

I don't want to lynch Fayt. Their posts imply a great degree of unfamiliarity with this whole mess. Is there something there to scumread aside from discomfort and waffling?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Rej[/mention], as far as I am concerned your vote is on Dragomir right now. You're exploring ideas and asking questions, but the day is over in less than 40 minutes. Who do you want to lynch?

[novaselinenever]

Someone tell me why Long Con is a civilian.

His entrance and D0 were great. He was dancing through the thread lol. Liked the energy and him messing around, felt like someone having fun instead of an anxious scum trying to break the ice with light jokes and fluff to avoid getting down to business and contributing

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have mild concern about Fayt's initial conditional reading of Dragomir and I (in terms of whether we're teammates instead of whether we're dogs or cats in isolation). It's not a remotely confident read. Fayt can have another day to get acclimated with the place.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Someone tell me why Long Con is a civilian.

His entrance and D0 were great. He was dancing through the thread lol. Liked the energy and him messing around, felt like someone having fun instead of an anxious scum trying to break the ice with light jokes and fluff to avoid getting down to business and contributing

Is that good enough right now? I mean I liked the dancing puppy gif, but who cares about that?

[novaselinenever]

I have mild concern about Fayt's initial conditional reading of Dragomir and I (in terms of whether we're teammates instead of whether we're dogs or cats in isolation). It's not a remotely confident read. Fayt can have another day to get acclimated with the place.

What is the concern there? Reads to me like someone who thinks two persons aren't team-compatible with how they interacted with each other.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have mild concern about Fayt's initial conditional reading of Dragomir and I (in terms of whether we're teammates instead of whether we're dogs or cats in isolation). It's not a remotely confident read. Fayt can have another day to get acclimated with the place.

What is the concern there? Reads to me like someone who thinks two persons aren't team-compatible with how they interacted with each other.

Well sure, that's the message they were conveying. The concern I have is that it doesn't actually amount to a read on either of us. If Dragomir is town, I can be mafia. If Dragomir is mafia, I can be town. Or we can both be town. Okay? Pick one. It leaves a lot of avenues open.

[novaselinenever]

Someone tell me why Long Con is a civilian.

His entrance and D0 were great. He was dancing through the thread lol. Liked the energy and him messing around, felt like someone having fun instead of an anxious scum trying to break the ice with light jokes and fluff to avoid getting down to business and contributing

Is that good enough right now? I mean I liked the dancing puppy gif, but who cares about that?

It's more than nothing. His Dragomir thing reads to me like a big no u, reminds me of the Wolf of Flag game where he no u'd me for suspecting him and he was town.

[novaselinenever]

How do you feel about Speedchuck after his response to your iso?

[novaselinenever]

The Dragomir handling and progression is pretty shite

[novaselinenever]

I don't want to lynch Fayt. Their posts imply a great degree of unfamiliarity with this whole mess. Is there something there to scumread aside from discomfort and waffling?

Is the discomfort and waffling something to scumread there?

[novaselinenever]

@Rej Who would you lynch?

[speedchuck]

I don't want to lynch Fayt. Their posts imply a great degree of unfamiliarity with this whole mess. Is there something there to scumread aside from discomfort and waffling?

Is the discomfort and waffling something to scumread there?

Sure, if yer a nob.

Someone new to the forum is going to be unsure and discomforted.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

How do you feel about Speedchuck after his response to your iso?

A bit better. He doesn't seem challenged to involve himself in the hunt when there's fire under his arse.

[novaselinenever]

Also why are you non-voting when you're leading the poll, and the second wagon is someone you suspect?

[Rej]

Rej, as far as I am concerned your vote is on Dragomir right now. You're exploring ideas and asking questions, but the day is over in less than 40 minutes. Who do you want to lynch?

I have my vote nowhere for exactly such a moment. We can agree on doing the Long Con gamble lynch. Else my lynch would be wasted on others I feel, in a sense that we can't get enough votes maybe.
So my vote on Long Con should be bringing us forward.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Gonna take a smoke, gonna check all 5 minute instances.

[Rej]

Also why are you non-voting when you're leading the poll, and the second wagon is someone you suspect?

Because of the heat and excitement

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Rej, as far as I am concerned your vote is on Dragomir right now. You're exploring ideas and asking questions, but the day is over in less than 40 minutes. Who do you want to lynch?

I have my vote nowhere for exactly such a moment. We can agree on doing the Long Con gamble lynch. Else my lynch would be wasted on others I feel, in a sense that we can't get enough votes maybe.
So my vote on Long Con should be bringing us forward.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Gonna take a smoke, gonna check all 5 minute instances.

Why is Long Con a "gamble" lynch any more than whoever? Or the guy you just told me you find suspicious?

[Long Con]

wait, Epignosis is also playing?

just looked at Long Con. He went like -> interaction with JJJ/push against Dragomir -> distancing(?)
@Long Con did you distance yourself there?

I don't recall any distancing from Long Con.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

[Rej]

wait, Epignosis is also playing?

just looked at Long Con. He went like -> interaction with JJJ/push against Dragomir -> distancing(?)
@Long Con did you distance yourself there from further interactions?

I don't recall any distancing from Long Con.

look who is back!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

wait, Epignosis is also playing?

just looked at Long Con. He went like -> interaction with JJJ/push against Dragomir -> distancing(?)
@Long Con did you distance yourself there?

I don't recall any distancing from Long Con.

Please give me a read on absolutely anybody not named Dragomir.

[Rej]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

why that fast move?

[Fayt]

Rej, as far as I am concerned your vote is on Dragomir right now. You're exploring ideas and asking questions, but the day is over in less than 40 minutes. Who do you want to lynch?

I have my vote nowhere for exactly such a moment. We can agree on doing the Long Con gamble lynch. Else my lynch would be wasted on others I feel, in a sense that we can't get enough votes maybe.
So my vote on Long Con should be bringing us forward.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Gonna take a smoke, gonna check all 5 minute instances.

Why not Dragomir? You had a case for him more than Long Con and you call it a gamble for LC so that means you're unsure of him right?

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

I have mild concern about Fayt's initial conditional reading of Dragomir and I (in terms of whether we're teammates instead of whether we're dogs or cats in isolation). It's not a remotely confident read. Fayt can have another day to get acclimated with the place.

What is the concern there? Reads to me like someone who thinks two persons aren't team-compatible with how they interacted with each other.

Well sure, that's the message they were conveying. The concern I have is that it doesn't actually amount to a read on either of us. If Dragomir is town, I can be mafia. If Dragomir is mafia, I can be town. Or we can both be town. Okay? Pick one. It leaves a lot of avenues open.

Perhaps I've said it wrong. I just didn't think you guys were both cats if the event Dragomir flips scum.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

why that fast move?

I'm never lynching Dragomir today.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

bleh [VOTE: Rej] aubergine

[Long Con]

I think Fayt is Civ. I like that point about calling me a "gamble". Sounds like subconscious baddie-speak for "It's going to be a Civ lynch".

[Long Con]

bleh [VOTE: Rej] aubergine

But Michelle says Rej is Civ.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Perhaps I've said it wrong. I just didn't think you guys were both cats if the event Dragomir flips scum.

Right. My point is that this doesn't tell me what you actually think of either Dragomir or myself independently of one another.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

bleh [VOTE: Rej] aubergine

But Michelle says Rej is Civ.

Is this something that is important to you?

[Rej]

Rej, as far as I am concerned your vote is on Dragomir right now. You're exploring ideas and asking questions, but the day is over in less than 40 minutes. Who do you want to lynch?

I have my vote nowhere for exactly such a moment. We can agree on doing the Long Con gamble lynch. Else my lynch would be wasted on others I feel, in a sense that we can't get enough votes maybe.
So my vote on Long Con should be bringing us forward.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Gonna take a smoke, gonna check all 5 minute instances.

Why not Dragomir? You had a case for him more than Long Con and you call it a gamble for LC so that means you're unsure of him right?

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

I have mild concern about Fayt's initial conditional reading of Dragomir and I (in terms of whether we're teammates instead of whether we're dogs or cats in isolation). It's not a remotely confident read. Fayt can have another day to get acclimated with the place.

What is the concern there? Reads to me like someone who thinks two persons aren't team-compatible with how they interacted with each other.

Well sure, that's the message they were conveying. The concern I have is that it doesn't actually amount to a read on either of us. If Dragomir is town, I can be mafia. If Dragomir is mafia, I can be town. Or we can both be town. Okay? Pick one. It leaves a lot of avenues open.

Perhaps I've said it wrong. I just didn't think you guys were both cats if the event Dragomir flips scum.

cuz I hold respect for Dragomir and he was proactive early, even if spilled some shit, he also probably isn't in the mood to do so. I would never obviously save a scummate. if Dragomir had a bad day he would tell his scum mates "yeah it is okay, just vote me, I will be fine".
#metareadsofmillenium

[Michelle]

I am torn between a pressure vote on Michelle/Sprityo and solidifying the lynch on Drago. But if I won't like the flip I will pretty much feel bad.
Another option is voting @Turnip Head because I feel they haven't given enough reads this DP to read them back properly.
Turnip do you have some input on others? Votes have been moved to Speedchuck for example. I didn't like how he voted me so I question @speedchuck if his vote on me is locked?


okay addition after Michelles read on me:
@Michelle I would always @ you, sadly we haven't played much games fully together, I often leave in the early stages. xD
I need more reads from you tho, and I sadly know nothing about your scumplay I feel.

I can't at 11 pm. tomorow morning i'll give you reads. Coincidentally my last full scum game is in this site and you were ml-ed in day 1 but you can read my Iso.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think Fayt is Civ. I like that point about calling me a "gamble". Sounds like subconscious baddie-speak for "It's going to be a Civ lynch".

No.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

[Michelle]

Can someone tell me what's up before i start reading? Is close to my sleep hour and i would prefere direct interaction.

Dragomir and Rej are currently the lead wagons, as you can see. You could start by assessing each of them.

Dragomir
Rej

Decide how you feel. If you'd prefer to vote neither, indicate someone you suspect in their stead.

Also about Rej, he pinged me to see me posting. This is not a scum behaviour and that post, the first i've read, sounded okay. Not a Rej scum read yet either. Ftr anytime i was villager i could read him and he knows it. Scum Rej would not @ me.

Thanks for your input Michelle. At the very least, I think you sound authentic in your report.

Your task would seem to be finding a suspect you like better then.

tomorow morning like i already said