Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:06 pm
I'll begin with JJJ grievances.
JJJ, obviously you voted LC when you had so much issue with Rej, while Rej called LC a "gamble." That makes no sense to me.
I had issues with both. I wasn't confident in either. As the day ended I looked at the thread and interpreted what I saw. I saw a player who has said some confusing things (Rej) for whom English is not a first language. Qualifying why that content is confusing with the language barrier in mind is something I have to try to do, and in the end it did not inspire confidence in me that "Yes, Rej is bad." Moreover, the Rej and Dragomir wagons had been sitting there stale for a while, and I didn't get the impression anyone was interested in preventing the former save Michelle. Long Con's actions at the very end of the day, which I'll talk about later in this thing, gave me a bad impression and so I voted for him. I'd been wanting a different wagon, and he ended up my choice.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:06 pmThis is bullshit.
JJJ Mr. 200 posts does not lynch a low poster
and a new person at that on Day 1. You're so sweet and kind to Michelle (who, though not very new, called Rej good), but you are ready to ruin Fayt Day 1?
Never mind the "At this rate I am frankly inclined to lynch a low poster."
"At this rate" and "frankly inclined" are reasons enough to vote for you (which I'll go ahead and do). There's been thirteen pages. There is no reason to fuck with a low poster lynch when there's so much going on in the thread (that you yourself take credit for). "Frankly inclined" are bullshit words.
Instead you went for Long Con, whom I feel you had no rights to vote for.
I was not ready to ruin Fayt Day 1. I stated that I don't like to lynch newcomers on their first day here. I don't abjectly refuse to do it if I cannot come up with a better idea. I ended up coming up with a better idea -- or at least I felt like it was a better idea when the deadline struck.
I don't care about the prepositional or adverb phrases. Do with those whatever you want. I am verbose.
Long Con himself was a low poster. He may not have seemed like one because of name recognition, but he was.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:06 pmThis was approximately three hours before the deadline. By this point, as I recall, Dragomir and Rej were neck and neck. You were, again, as I recall, looking for another wagon (you found one in Fayt, I think). Correct whatever is wrong. "Immediate judgement" is your bread and butter. I do not believe you suspected Long Con over this.
Yes, I called Long Con green in some rainbow lists. I don't care. I called Dragomir red in one of those and changed my mind. I hurl out a thousand stances per game, and they change often.
My change of heart on Dragomir was an important component of the transition you're observing. I thought Dragomir looked like a civilian, and that meant that somewhere among his numerous early accusers there may be an opportunist. I went looking for one, and found gripes with both nutella and Long Con. I felt the former adequately answered my gripes and the latter did not. Long Con was a suspect. Regarding "immediate judgment" -- I understand your perspective. I think the difference here is nuanced and probably not easy to see for people who don't live inside my head. I do make immediate judgments often in games; the difference lies with the sense of finality. My judgments, especially in the earliest stages of play, are not static and can be entirely reversed on a dime. I do it all the time, sometimes to my own detriment.
I didn't get the impression that Long Con was genuinely trying to learn something about Dragomir by way of his accusation. Instead I felt it was an accusation full stop, and it was an unfounded shitty accusation at that. So I beefed.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:06 pmnova's words were not enough to sway you "right now." Why wasn't what nova had to say good enough? You sound like you need an excuse to keep your vote on Long Con meanwhile seeking a reason to keep your vote on him.
This is not convincing.
Yes. Long Con's entry into this game was not something that I am going to exonerate him for -- not even right now. In a moment like this, my ability to do anything with what nova said to me is limited to essentially this:
nova's read is worth consideration solely because I read nova as a civilian and he is a quality player.
That means something, but it doesn't mean everything. I often give players civilian credit that you find disagreeable, Epignosis, and sometimes you're right. I expect you probably take what I say into consideration, but it doesn't decide your actions on its own. This kind of thing happens in every game.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:06 pmThis is a good post provided you are not Rej's teammate.
A minute later though?
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Bleh indeed.
Your team sucks at coordinating things. Almost like herding...cats.
Perhaps that's the best evidence in my favor. My mafia teams are always great in coordination because I'm a part of them.
I had gripes with Rej. I had gripes with Long Con. I had gripes with other people. No single gripe, regardless of who is featured in a post that I am griping, entirely dictates my vote. You note that I have 200 posts -- consider what that means for my mindset. I have a lot going on in that noggin' of mine, to include but not limited to Rej saying some goofy shit about a gamble.
I said "bleh" because I seriously didn't feel any confidence when I voted Rej. I'd been looking for a better option that wasn't Dragomir, and at least in that moment I stuck the vote on him. I like to feel better about the votes that I place than I felt about that vote. As it turns out Rej was a cat, but I don't know that shit until the day is over.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:06 pmLC voted Rej, so JJJ asked about Dragomir's alignment. Twice. What purpose does this serve other than to get LC rethinking his Rej vote?
This, to me, is mafia JJJ dancing.
Mac, I changed my mind. I have massive problems with JJJ. He is not a civilian. And no, I haven't read his essays.
Correction for the sake of clarity: I asked about Dragomir once and Rej once. I asked Long Con these things precisely because I did not know what was going to happen when the deadline hit. Rej was leading the poll, and I wanted to be set up as well as I could be entering Day 2
no matter how Rej would flip. Long Con had been planted on Dragomir all day, and eventually he swapped to Rej -- his own counterwagon. I wanted him to say out loud that he suspected Rej himself and/or he was primarily interested in self-preservation. I also wanted him to talk about Dragomir, the player he moved his vote
from. If Rej had flipped civilian, these are data points I would be more interested in today. I like to be prepared, and I try to set the table accordingly.
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