Dogs vs. Cats [END]

[MacDougall]

Oops sorry I let my Australian slip for a second.

But seriously, you wait til I drop my shit on you to put that out there? You are being an antagonist Jimbob.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I mean actually, the entire premise that I am the only person who would kill TH, regardless of whether my claim to morality is believed, is quite silly. The most obvious name to tie to that kill is MacDougall. Mac can be a cat.

Oh really cunt?

Yeah. You veered too far from the reasonably out-there theoretical space and into the stupid theoretical space.

[MacDougall]

Agreed with concern about Rej take. Potential TMI on Dragomir.

Why? What about it strikes as TMI?

I'll answer for him. Firstly, you have been actually pretty scummy. So for Rej to defend you is TMI. Rej has no reason to feel like you have been civvy enough to question the people casing him.

Rej is taking the opportunity to gain your trust by dismissing the case as incredulous, which is invariably how you would feel as a civ. In the event of a civilian flip of you he is distanced from the case making of a bad lynch, which is where people first look for wolves (even though it's usually never that simple).

Now, onto Fayt, who we have common ground on.

This post smells like a litter box. Paints quite a big picture of events. "Actually pretty scummy"? Mac is purring like a devil

"Let me tell you eight thousand ways that JJJ would kill TH"

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[MacDougall]

I mean actually, the entire premise that I am the only person who would kill TH, regardless of whether my claim to morality is believed, is quite silly. The most obvious name to tie to that kill is MacDougall. Mac can be a cat.

Oh really cunt?

Yeah. You veered too far from the reasonably out-there theoretical space and into the stupid theoretical space.

Oh do tell me which space was stupid smart guy?

[MacDougall]

There is no universe in which town Jay is misreading me here. More wood for the fire.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oops sorry I let my Australian slip for a second.

But seriously, you wait til I drop my shit on you to put that out there? You are being an antagonist Jimbob.

You killed TH, and in anticipation of the accusation you stepped in front -- and parlayed it into a reason to join the JJJ lynch bonanza. Wet fart.

[MacDougall]

Oops sorry I let my Australian slip for a second.

But seriously, you wait til I drop my shit on you to put that out there? You are being an antagonist Jimbob.

You killed TH, and in anticipation of the accusation you stepped in front -- and parlayed it into a reason to join the JJJ lynch bonanza. Wet fart.

Fuck, right, off, with, that, shit, you, basic, ass, motherfucker.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I mean actually, the entire premise that I am the only person who would kill TH, regardless of whether my claim to morality is believed, is quite silly. The most obvious name to tie to that kill is MacDougall. Mac can be a cat.

Oh really cunt?

Yeah. You veered too far from the reasonably out-there theoretical space and into the stupid theoretical space.

Oh do tell me which space was stupid smart guy?

The first guy to speak out against the dead mafioso was killed. You used that to go after me. It is stupid. If the kill is so "optimal", then it can be assigned to a ton of people.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oops sorry I let my Australian slip for a second.

But seriously, you wait til I drop my shit on you to put that out there? You are being an antagonist Jimbob.

You killed TH, and in anticipation of the accusation you stepped in front -- and parlayed it into a reason to join the JJJ lynch bonanza. Wet fart.

Fuck, right, off, with, that, shit, you, basic, ass, motherfucker.

No. Your read is so terrible that it can't be real.

[MacDougall]

Drago is town

Rej is cat. "I don't understand the case" is scumtell sometimes

You linki'd me and we have the same reason too.

I am ride or die with the turnip this time.

Agreed with concern about Rej take. Potential TMI on Dragomir.

Why? What about it strikes as TMI?

I'll answer for him. Firstly, you have been actually pretty scummy. So for Rej to defend you is TMI. Rej has no reason to feel like you have been civvy enough to question the people casing him.

Rej is taking the opportunity to gain your trust by dismissing the case as incredulous, which is invariably how you would feel as a civ. In the event of a civilian flip of you he is distanced from the case making of a bad lynch, which is where people first look for wolves (even though it's usually never that simple).

Now, onto Fayt, who we have common ground on.

This post smells like a litter box. Paints quite a big picture of events. "Actually pretty scummy"? Mac is purring like a devil

BAD TURNIP HEAD.

I want to solve the game with you, not in spite of you.

*hits TH on the nose with newspaper*

It's not a case of would not. I CAN not kill Turnip Head after making these posts. It is a brick wall of logic. There is no realm in which I can proceed past this point. It's like video game boundary.

[MacDougall]

Oops sorry I let my Australian slip for a second.

But seriously, you wait til I drop my shit on you to put that out there? You are being an antagonist Jimbob.

You killed TH, and in anticipation of the accusation you stepped in front -- and parlayed it into a reason to join the JJJ lynch bonanza. Wet fart.

Fuck, right, off, with, that, shit, you, basic, ass, motherfucker.

No. Your read is so terrible that it can't be real.

You are 100% now taking the piss.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It's not a case of would not. I CAN not kill Turnip Head after making these posts. It is a brick wall of logic. There is no realm in which I can proceed past this point. It's like video game boundary.

Well none of that means any damned thing.

[MacDougall]

I mean actually, the entire premise that I am the only person who would kill TH, regardless of whether my claim to morality is believed, is quite silly. The most obvious name to tie to that kill is MacDougall. Mac can be a cat.

Oh really cunt?

Yeah. You veered too far from the reasonably out-there theoretical space and into the stupid theoretical space.

Oh do tell me which space was stupid smart guy?

The first guy to speak out against the dead mafioso was killed. You used that to go after me. It is stupid. If the kill is so "optimal", then it can be assigned to a ton of people.

Right, let's just shut the fuck up for a second. Like, you in particular.

I was a major proponent of the day 1 wolf lynch and you hard defended the motherfucker just before he flipped.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oops sorry I let my Australian slip for a second.

But seriously, you wait til I drop my shit on you to put that out there? You are being an antagonist Jimbob.

You killed TH, and in anticipation of the accusation you stepped in front -- and parlayed it into a reason to join the JJJ lynch bonanza. Wet fart.

Fuck, right, off, with, that, shit, you, basic, ass, motherfucker.

No. Your read is so terrible that it can't be real.

You are 100% now taking the piss.

If your read is real then it is the single worst read you have made on me in our long and storied time together. MacDougall. Mac Q. Dougall. Marcus Querilus Dougall III. Think about it for eight seconds.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Right, let's just shut the fuck up for a second. Like, you in particular.

I was a major proponent of the day 1 wolf lynch and you hard defended the motherfucker just before he flipped.

Easy to get the gold sticker when you know the answers before class.

[MacDougall]

For those playing at home Jay watched the recent game in which I was emotionally manipulated off my reads by wolves who called be dumb and I subsequently failed to lynch them btw. So if you don't agree that my points against him are bad then perhaps consider that he is using actual knowledge of my weakness against me here.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

For those playing at home Jay watched the recent game in which I was emotionally manipulated off my reads by wolves who called be dumb and I subsequently failed to lynch them btw. So if you don't agree that my points against him are bad then perhaps consider that he is using actual knowledge of my weakness against me here.

I have no desire to emotionally manipulate you or anyone else. I don't think that kind of thing is honorable Mafia play. If you've felt emotionally affected by something I have said, I am genuinely sorry. Your read can be whatever, but I am absolutely serious about this. I play the game above the belt.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Whatever, have we bitched long enough for me to earn a take on sprityo?

[MacDougall]

Quotes from scrimmage wolf chat in which Jay and I lost a teammate on day 1.

To expand: the numbers benefit can be immediately inflated by way of a Day 1 mislynch. As such I will try my best to avoid bussing. I don't care much for it as a strategy anyway barring specific situations that dictate it.

I'm kind of banking on you guys being around at the deadline. I cannot be due to final exams. It'll be the ass crack of dawn for Mac I realize. Ultra I'm not sure where you are. You're in a tight spot to be certain, and like I said: a bus is not my preference. Any alternative I pursue though has to make sense. nova does not. Epi might. Owner might.

This game has so far been a clinic on why Day 1 bussing is not ideal. It can be a rough patch for any mafioso trying to get involved in a game organically, but if you can just get through it -- everything calms down and you're fine. Mac here is a great example -- he isn't even the beneficiary of having voted for Ultra, but he's still in a comfortable position.

These things aren't permanent obviously, and we'll be getting into fights soon enough. Weathering that first day though is a big deal.

So if you're wondering why he was hard defending Rej at the end of the day, consider that it's because that is Jay's literal wolf strategy.

[sprityo]

So Rej grouped me and michelle together based off of our absent-ness?

that's all i got from that

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What really happened EoD 1 was actually close to a carbon copy of the TSP lynch in Persona 5. I started on the right track, got into various other dialogues, and veered off it [barring a mafia LC]. I ended up voting TSP in that game, though my vote was meaningless atop a larger heap. Sometimes I'm a doofus.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And of note in that scrimmage from which you're pulling words, Mac -- despite my real desire to keep us all alive, when it became clear that Ultra was going to be in trouble: I bussed him. I know how to land on the right side of history.

[MacDougall]

For those playing at home Jay watched the recent game in which I was emotionally manipulated off my reads by wolves who called be dumb and I subsequently failed to lynch them btw. So if you don't agree that my points against him are bad then perhaps consider that he is using actual knowledge of my weakness against me here.

I have no desire to emotionally manipulate you or anyone else. I don't think that kind of thing is honorable Mafia play. If you've felt emotionally affected by something I have said, I am genuinely sorry. Your read can be whatever, but I am absolutely serious about this. I play the game above the belt.

My "dumbest case on you ever" is:

1. You defended the dead wolf right before he flipped.
2. You voted with him on the counterwagon.
3. You put a microphone in his face.
4. The TH kill profiles as driven by you and very few others.
5. You posted your insignificant TH/Rej analysis to gain distance cred from the TH kill.
6. You are 100% lying about the fact that you would never kill him. 100% lying.
7. All of the aforementioned and you have the audacity to dismiss it as the stupidest case ever.
8. Now you're OMGUsing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm not interested in a Mac lynch, to be clear to the viewers at home.

[MacDougall]

Whatever, have we bitched long enough for me to earn a take on sprityo?

The only read I have on Sprityo is that he was more active in the other game and flipped civ there. He was choosing that game over this one. I don't know what it means, but I observed it.

[MacDougall]

Fwiw cunt is not an insult Jay so please don't take it as such. It is exchangeable with the word "bro" lol.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My "dumbest case on you ever" is:

1. You defended the dead wolf right before he flipped.
2. You voted with him on the counterwagon.
3. You put a microphone in his face.
4. The TH kill profiles as driven by you and very few others.
5. You posted your insignificant TH/Rej analysis to gain distance cred from the TH kill.
6. You are 100% lying about the fact that you would never kill him. 100% lying.
7. All of the aforementioned and you have the audacity to dismiss it as the stupidest case ever.
8. Now you're OMGUsing.

I was referring exclusively to #4, #5, and #6, the Turnip Head things. Those are very poor. You clearly don't agree. I think something used against me is stupid, go figure.

The previous points are the more obvious infractions that got me into shit with other non-Mac people first.

You're wrong in any event. So it goes.

[MacDougall]

I am not wrong about any of the case. All of those things are absolutely facts. There is no other reason for #5 aside from you hoping to gain some town cred from it and you are 100% lying about 6. TH is a POE kill and you are mister POE. At best you are lying as a townie.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So Rej grouped me and michelle together based off of our absent-ness?

that's all i got from that

I can't do much with this. That's not your fault. I need to know what you think of people.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am not wrong about any of the case. All of those things are absolutely facts. There is no other reason for #5 aside from you hoping to gain some town cred from it and you are 100% lying about 6. TH is a POE kill and you are mister POE. At best you are lying as a townie.

I promise you that I am not lying. If I am to even be generous in this arena, I could say "no I don't think I would do that", because I haven't actually faced the situation. I would not want to kill him, that much is absolutely certain. And yes, I believe that I would outright oppose it. Otherwise I am robbing Turnip Head of a return game and everyone else of Turnip Head. As much of a robot as I might be, I do have a soul. Or whatever that shit is that dictates moral behavior.

I am going to leave this here, because the dialogue has long since failed to be productive.

[MacDougall]

I am not wrong about any of the case. All of those things are absolutely facts. There is no other reason for #5 aside from you hoping to gain some town cred from it and you are 100% lying about 6. TH is a POE kill and you are mister POE. At best you are lying as a townie.

I promise you that I am not lying. If I am to even be generous in this arena, I could say "no I don't think I would do that", because I haven't actually faced the situation. I would not want to kill him, that much is absolutely certain. And yes, I believe that I would outright oppose it. Otherwise I am robbing Turnip Head of a return game and everyone else of Turnip Head. As much of a robot as I might be, I do have a soul. Or whatever that shit is that dictates moral behavior.

I am going to leave this here, because the dialogue has long since failed to be productive.

Solving you is immensely productive. If you are a wolf and you are allowed to skate around being scummy we will lose this game to you as quick as a hiccup.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I do grant though that a Turnip Head kill gives more avenues for analysis than most Night 1 kills do. I don't think Dom did that. I don't think Epignosis did that. It's a question I can ask about anyone I have suspicion for.

speedchuck may have done that.
sprityo could have done that.
Any newcomer could have done that.
I think Long Con would oppose it, though he is mostly absent and may not have the voice.
I don't really know how to answer with nutella.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dragomir could kill him.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't think TSP killed him.

[MacDougall]

Dragomir could kill him.

I repeat, Turnip Head town read Dragomir. If Dragomir just lost a teammate Rej, why would he kill an ally? Not to mention Rej probably spewed him town in the "I don't get the case" post. Which also spews me town tbh. I'm clearing Dragomir off all of that straight up.

Nutella would 100% kill him. She fell victim to Turnip Head's skill in a big way in Firefly. Long Con probably just wants you, me or Epi dead most of the time. Especially you if he is scum and you are town, after that EOD. I don't think newcomers come to the decision to kill TH without help from at least someone who knows him well enough to talk about what a threat he is.

Why are you ruling out TSP?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dragomir could kill him.

I repeat, Turnip Head town read Dragomir. If Dragomir just lost a teammate Rej, why would he kill an ally? Not to mention Rej probably spewed him town in the "I don't get the case" post. Which also spews me town tbh. I'm clearing Dragomir off all of that straight up.

I'd been operating off of the same notion of spew. I think you'd called it NAI earlier? Describe the inside of Mac's brain here.

Nutella would 100% kill him. She fell victim to Turnip Head's skill in a big way in Firefly. Long Con probably just wants you, me or Epi dead most of the time. Especially you if he is scum and you are town, after that EOD. I don't think newcomers come to the decision to kill TH without help from at least someone who knows him well enough to talk about what a threat he is.

[mention]nutella[/mention] can speak for herself here. Off-hand I wouldn't discount her. I think two newcomers could still kill him, but by the raw numbers it's unlikely to be two newcomers anyway so okay.

Why are you ruling out TSP?

Night and day difference from Persona 5. This isn't the same guy. I don't think he killed TH because I don't think he is a cat.

[MacDougall]

Dragomir could kill him.

I repeat, Turnip Head town read Dragomir. If Dragomir just lost a teammate Rej, why would he kill an ally? Not to mention Rej probably spewed him town in the "I don't get the case" post. Which also spews me town tbh. I'm clearing Dragomir off all of that straight up.

I'd been operating off of the same notion of spew. I think you'd called it NAI earlier? Describe the inside of Mac's brain here.

Nutella would 100% kill him. She fell victim to Turnip Head's skill in a big way in Firefly. Long Con probably just wants you, me or Epi dead most of the time. Especially you if he is scum and you are town, after that EOD. I don't think newcomers come to the decision to kill TH without help from at least someone who knows him well enough to talk about what a threat he is.

@nutella can speak for herself here. Off-hand I wouldn't discount her. I think two newcomers could still kill him, but by the raw numbers it's unlikely to be two newcomers anyway so okay.

Why are you ruling out TSP?

Night and day difference from Persona 5. This isn't the same guy. I don't think he killed TH because I don't think he is a cat.

It's NAI on it's own but it's decent supporting evidence. Read "probably" spewed him.

[MacDougall]

Rej, as far as I am concerned your vote is on Dragomir right now. You're exploring ideas and asking questions, but the day is over in less than 40 minutes. Who do you want to lynch?

I have my vote nowhere for exactly such a moment. We can agree on doing the Long Con gamble lynch. Else my lynch would be wasted on others I feel, in a sense that we can't get enough votes maybe.
So my vote on Long Con should be bringing us forward.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Gonna take a smoke, gonna check all 5 minute instances.

Dafuq is this

Rej/LC w/w?

[VOTE: rej] aubergine

I think Fayt is Civ. I like that point about calling me a "gamble". Sounds like subconscious baddie-speak for "It's going to be a Civ lynch".

No.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

....eh?

I think Fayt is Civ. I like that point about calling me a "gamble". Sounds like subconscious baddie-speak for "It's going to be a Civ lynch".

Long Con encourages the Rej wagon right along while he keeps himself cozy on the Dragomir wagon. The thing about "subconscious baddie-speak" just looks like b/s.

hmmmmmmm

ok [VOTE: long con] aubergine

Okay fuck it Nutella can have a vote.

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

[nutella]

Good lord this thread exploded

[nutella]

Dom would be my "darkhorse" pick at the moment. While he didn't sound disingenuous, the objective criteria still stands as something he'll have to answer to. He contributed vocally to some of the suspicion of Rej, but his vote never wavered from Dragomir. He wasn't around late in the day; I do think he was here late enough to begin to reconsider his take on Dragomir at least.

Ugh this complicates things

i hate agreeing with you bc reasons
but i agree with you

I will say that my initial instinct coming into this Day 2 was to vote again for Dragomir. I still have grievances there.

I also agree with this.

I'm going to go ahead and just call you a suspect straight up. We don't need "darkhorse".

I don't like this post.

Hard Agree.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

For the first time in a long time, I am genuinely having fun playing a Mafia game. The zen approach is a keeper.

[nutella]

JJJ just sent me flying from dark horse over my initial catch up post because I agreed that my day one suspect was still my number one suspect.

Discuss.

Notice that Jay never asked me to clarify a damn thing. No elucidiation necessary with me.

Why did he afford Fayt and Dragomir those luxuries?

Lol what on earth


[VOTE: dom] aubergine

[nutella]

....Mac is voting for me? I guess I have a lot to discover in these five pages lol

[nutella]

I don't find Jay to be public enemy number one. I find him to be flimsy in his analysis of myself.

I didn't love his Fayt analysis. I get a very different read of Fayt. Maybe I'm new to her, maybe I'm not.


I have no reason to not suspect Dragomir as a result of the rej lynch. Don't see why that's nuts.

do you have reason to suspect dragomir tho

[nutella]

I don't think Epi's case on Jay holds much water at all. Nothing that was pointed out is outside of Jay's town play. It's still a mild town tick for Epi though. I still think Jay is town.

my thoughts as well

[nutella]

Rej:

"Back to JJJ : I feel you are way too agressive to get a clear civ read from me. I dont know how scum profits from this but we got 2 fast wagons started up. And I feel town does not profit from these wagons. We still have time and need to wait for some replies."

This is a bullshit thing to say. This is one teammate communicating to another.

I'm sorry JJJ, but you got to go.

I don't see it.

[nutella]

Of all the people who were just participatory in that flurry Nova's contributions were the most skewiff. I don't understand what he was trying to do at all.

also agree here, I was happy with nova's contributions d1 but today so far he's done nothing, just made scattered comments all over the place and idk what his actual thoughts are.

[Fayt]

I don't find Jay to be public enemy number one. I find him to be flimsy in his analysis of myself.

I didn't love his Fayt analysis. I get a very different read of Fayt. Maybe I'm new to her, maybe I'm not.


I have no reason to not suspect Dragomir as a result of the rej lynch. Don't see why that's nuts.

huh? What did this mean?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

....Mac is voting for me? I guess I have a lot to discover in these five pages lol

It's been a ride.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I apologize to all of The Syndicate for how much I abuse the and emojis, but they apply to pretty much everything I say.