Dogs vs. Cats [END]

[MacDougall]

Worthy of thought.

Rej lynched by a single vote on day 1.

Flipped wolf on his wagon.

Why did Speedchuck not just vote for LC?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Tbh I just think it's 100% between nutella and Jay.

Tell me why the hell I killed TSP. Come on dude. It doesn't make any sense. This isn't even the moral question of Turnip Head, it's just obvious. Clear your way through the generic bullshit WIFOM and think about it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think the case against LC is poor. This isn’t uncertainty or doubt like with Rej D1, it’s just a perception that the case is *bad*. Rej’s voting behavior makes very little sense if LC is his teammate.

Dragomir could be for the refused vote. Rej waited around for a different wagon to blossom though, and it ended up being LC by no manipulation of his own. He plopped his vote on there without a care. The whole “it was coordinated distancing” spiel does not hold water for me.

I also think LC is behaving like a civilian.

hmmmmm......

ugh. I guess it doesn't make sense as to why Rej would place a vote on a teammate that late in the day. If that was the wagon he decides to go on but not on Dragomir or Mac despite him voicing his suspicion on them... In that case, I would like to look at Dragomir again. I had a neutral read but dismissed it due to meta reading off of his posts.

I might be overthinking that its some 4d chess play with Rej and LC.

I also think this post looks fake.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i guess ill vote drago and see if jay wants to break the tie

That’s a preferable counterwagon.

I’m still content to keep my vote right on you, mister.

fair enough but i doubt you'd risk an avoidable mislynch

i dont think tony is gonna show up anytime soon

don't like this so much. "an avoidable mislynch" implies that you would know JJJ is town despite asking earlier if you should vote JJJ or not. hmm. Unless I'm interpreting this wrong.

The other posts aren't that great either. Do you find Drago scummy? Or is this just a bait for JJJ.

I end up becoming unsure of LC so I did a no vote as a placement before I can look more on my lunch break.

[VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine

And that fake-looking post sets Fayt up for this one.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Worthy of thought.

Rej lynched by a single vote on day 1.

Flipped wolf on his wagon.

Why did Speedchuck not just vote for LC?

At a certain point, flopping back to the counterwagon will just get you roasted (similar to Beck if not exactly). Even if he should have done that, I wouldn't be surprised by hesitation.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Civilians blow leads because they don't do their homework. Let's keep it moving gang. I would really appreciate feedback on everything I've said about Fayt whenever time permits. I am also open to and will consider any other cases anyone makes against anyone.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]nutella[/mention] it'd be ideal if you could attempt to explain some of your reads to [mention]Dom[/mention]. I realize that being all explanatory isn't really your gig, and I support that. Dom's questions warrant a thoughtful reply though, and if you're both dogs (as I suspect) he's gonna have a hard time seeing it without something more.

[Dom]

I don't love Fayt's vote on sprityo. But I have one question-- who is Fayt and what should I know about them?

[nutella]

....that's not a response.

You took issue with me being that flippant.

Have a backbone or don't.

Then give me actual points to respond to. So far you've just suggested that I never expressed suspicion of people in my PoE, which is provably untrue. I've been suspicious of LC and speed for much of the game, I went back a bit on LC yesterday but that doesn't change the fact he's in my PoE. You're also mischaracterizing my sprit vote. I just felt it was my best option at the time. I was wrong.

[nutella]

Worthy of thought.

Rej lynched by a single vote on day 1.

Flipped wolf on his wagon.

Why did Speedchuck not just vote for LC?

Fair.

[nutella]

@nutella it'd be ideal if you could attempt to explain some of your reads to @Dom. I realize that being all explanatory isn't really your gig, and I support that. Dom's questions warrant a thoughtful reply though, and if you're both dogs (as I suspect) he's gonna have a hard time seeing it without something more.

Much of my poe is just poe in that I had reason to townread everyone else, but I have expressed actual issues with everyone in it as well. Dom just hasn't read my posts.

[nutella]

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

[Dom]

Jay-- is this gaslighting?

[Dom]

The last time nutella told me I didn't read her posts she was a cult leader.

[Dom]

I read her posts, nutella just doesn't like me and her posts suck.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay-- is this gaslighting?

I think it’s misunderstanding. I haven’t viewed nutella’s reads as being unexplained/inexplicable. It’s just a matter of context with her. She’s rarely the sort to go on about some read in detail.

[Dom]

Listen if nutella wants to give an actual response to not having any meat to her suspicions despite being the player critizing me for the same thing-- I'm welcome to it.

I'm going out. lol bye suckers.

[Dom]

Jay-- is this gaslighting?

I think it’s misunderstanding. I haven’t viewed nutella’s reads as being unexplained/inexplicable. It’s just a matter of context with her. She’s rarely the sort to go on about some read in detail.

Yet I'm expected to give excruciating detail for every breath I take.

Yeah fuck that.

[Dom]

I'll add a sassy smiley face just to piss all of you off.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay-- is this gaslighting?

I think it’s misunderstanding. I haven’t viewed nutella’s reads as being unexplained/inexplicable. It’s just a matter of context with her. She’s rarely the sort to go on about some read in detail.

Yet I'm expected to give excruciating detail for every breath I take.

Yeah fuck that.

I don’t expect that from you either really. You’re both pretty concise.

[Epignosis]

I've read nothing since the last time I was here.

Can drago and Rej both be bad?

This looks on the nose.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Important notice for you role checker types out there:

Any dog check is now meaningless (Maine Coon).

And cat check is now confirmed dog (pinscher).

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well ho-lee sweet hell we’re all over the place.

[nutella]

The last time nutella told me I didn't read her posts she was a cult leader.

That's not really fair. I hadn't even recruited anyone when I died. I basically played like a civilian.

[nutella]

I highly resent suspicion that is based on comparison to a game where I was not scum. Had no teammates and did not play remotely like scum.

[nutella]

*That* is gaslighting.

[Epignosis]

Well ho-lee sweet hell we’re all over the place.

Like dogs.

[Long Con]

Worthy of thought.

Rej lynched by a single vote on day 1.

Flipped wolf on his wagon.

Why did Speedchuck not just vote for LC?

It looks like speedchuck was gone from the thread before the LC thing really became viable.

[nutella]

Jay-- is this gaslighting?

I think it’s misunderstanding. I haven’t viewed nutella’s reads as being unexplained/inexplicable. It’s just a matter of context with her. She’s rarely the sort to go on about some read in detail.

Yet I'm expected to give excruciating detail for every breath I take.

Yeah fuck that.

The problem was you only suspected one person and didn't change at all into the second day.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Really think it’s Fayt. All my indicators point to the same person.

[nutella]

Really think it’s Fayt. All my indicators point to the same person.

I should at least allow her into my PoE. I just had such a strongly authentic toneread on her but other factors can counter that.

[nutella]

I'm feeling it's LC.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m going to be out of signal range for a whiletonight. Keep this puppy moving (OMG do you GET IT). I feel about like this right now:

60% Fayt
25% Dragomir
10% Michelle
5% Other

[nutella]

In no universe is it Dragomir. Yesterday's votes would have gone pretty differently if so.

[Epignosis]

I don't know what yesterday's votes looked like.

[Long Con]

I'm feeling it's LC.

It's not me, nut.

[nutella]

Drago is always town here. Michelle is ALWAYS town here. Mac, Epi, or Nova could theoretically be pulling the wool over my eyes but I've mindmelded with them too many times to not want to think about that unless I have no other choice. It's within LC, Fayt, Jay, and Dom. Fayt is the only overlap I have with Jay's list so that's the most logical option I suppose, but my gut is weakest there and if Jay is scum then, well.

[nutella]

If nobody else is feeling an LC vote I can go along with a fayt lynch today and if that's wrong Jay will be in trouble. But then if I do *that* and then if it turns out I was right about LC all along it'll feel bad lol

[nutella]

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] I promise it's not me. Should we just go ahead and lynch Jay?

[nutella]

Really not a fan of how he is being even more hamfisted about not having killed Tony than he was about TH. I hate thinking about wifom stuff like that but it's like.... too convenient.

[nutella]

Wow, that was unexpected and awesome. RIP TSP and sprityo.

However this is a lot worse at face value than Jay's immediate reaction which felt more genuine.


Ughhh

[Long Con]

Wow, that was unexpected and awesome. RIP TSP and sprityo.

However this is a lot worse at face value than Jay's immediate reaction which felt more genuine.


Ughhh

[nutella]

So I've iso'ed Speed and most of his posts were about Jay. I'm trying to make of what their interaction is and it's kinda hard. Though, I'll say this. That conversation about speed calling Jay's "tell me more" post "ew" feels like a bunch of horseshit to me. Got all kinds of fakey fakey shit in it.

This whole nightkill analysis based on character, devotion to the site and out-of-game closeness to TH is kinda angleshooty.

I know I can't condemn it, as I got caught up in it and the Mac/JJJ go has changed my perception a great deal, but I thought I'd put that out there.

Water them changes of perception, sonny?

Mac is town.

JJJ is lower on my townlist, and only not at the bottom because I've never actually seen this kind of angleshooting not be true. It's a scummy practice, town or mafia, but it usually works and is reliable.

It's not about emotional manipulation, as I mentioned in Phenon: Origins. It's a different kind of pragmatic and cold, one that you'd apparently stake honor on.

I welcome examples or corrections. I feel JJJ as scum, but as Mac called Epi earlier, I'm a sucker for character calls.

There's also this post, speed is wishy washy as hell on how to read Jay. He's hesitating on town reading him but also scum reading him, thus he's at the bottom of the town list. Bad look for Jay imo.

There's something else I got. Speed interacted with Jay A LOT. 90% of his posts were about him. There was barely any of that much content with him and Rej and they were buddies. Make of this what you will. I don't know how speed usually interacts with his buddies.
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This is a cool find. I'll look into their interactions more but this treatment of Jay from speed smells like cat poop.

[nutella]

Wow, that was unexpected and awesome. RIP TSP and sprityo.

However this is a lot worse at face value than Jay's immediate reaction which felt more genuine.


Ughhh

Eh?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I can actually clear myself (as much as one can in a setup like this). I just ask that people listen to what I say when I explain this later. It will involve numerous posts so I want my computer.

[Long Con]

Wow, that was unexpected and awesome. RIP TSP and sprityo.

However this is a lot worse at face value than Jay's immediate reaction which felt more genuine.


Ughhh

Eh?

Just made me laugh... your "Ughhh", and just the fact that you would read into that post at all.

[novaselinenever]

[VOTE: Dom] aubergine

Do you think Dom kills Turnip Head?

Yes.

[nutella]

Wow, that was unexpected and awesome. RIP TSP and sprityo.

However this is a lot worse at face value than Jay's immediate reaction which felt more genuine.


Ughhh

Eh?

Just made me laugh... your "Ughhh", and just the fact that you would read into that post at all.

Reactions to mafia flips have caught mafia many a time. You know this very well. Why are you laughing

[novaselinenever]

That kind of night kill analysis is pretty shit

[nutella]

[VOTE: Dom] aubergine

Do you think Dom kills Turnip Head?

Yes.

Tell me moooore