Dogs vs. Cats [END]

[sprityo]

filthy homestuck reference

I wonder if something is influencing me to think about Homestuck lately.

[Long Con]

Interesting last sentence. It's a good way to look at it. I'd say Dragomir fits that profile well. Maybe Nova?

Those two names do seem a bit blendy in that way perhaps? Is Dom that Cat who is deciding the long game?

Should we look through Epi's suspects?

Probably. But not me, not right now. I'm multitasking and just checking in to converse, not research.

[Dom]

You know what, I'ma vote Jay. I really want to see what he flips. Nothing against you Jay.

Honestly what do we think of this?

[Dom]

Interesting last sentence. It's a good way to look at it. I'd say Dragomir fits that profile well. Maybe Nova?

Should we look through Epi's suspects?

I agre with this. Especially since nova literally has only just been on the dom is bad train with zero development for several days now

[novaselinenever]

I just voted fayt right away because she was the obvious next candidate after Jay's flip and the consensus vig target that didn't happen. I'm not just going for the path of least resistance, I definitely think we need to talk through our other options but I think she is the logical place to start. If you disagree please engage with me on that point. LC did so a bit regarding how yesterday's lynch went, so that is at least something to chew on but it didn't make her look particularly better in my eyes.

What's your take on it?

[novaselinenever]

Also it's not really just EoD, it's basically the whole phase. Like she had given up and accepted her death for the greater good lol.

[novaselinenever]

Interesting last sentence. It's a good way to look at it. I'd say Dragomir fits that profile well. Maybe Nova?

Should we look through Epi's suspects?

I'm town, move along. Thanks!

[novaselinenever]

Epi's suspects were Drago, Fayt and Michelle I believe

[novaselinenever]

Michelle's is someone I've been liking less and less. Felt like she was beating around the bush with Jay in how she was handling him, she talked herself into voting him in a weird way lol.

[novaselinenever]

Interesting last sentence. It's a good way to look at it. I'd say Dragomir fits that profile well. Maybe Nova?

Should we look through Epi's suspects?

I agre with this. Especially since nova literally has only just been on the dom is bad train with zero development for several days now

[novaselinenever]

lolol

[MacDougall]

Michelle's is someone I've been liking less and less. Felt like she was beating around the bush with Jay in how she was handling him, she talked herself into voting him in a weird way lol.

I think I remember thinking something like that about her too.

[mention]Michelle[/mention] speak to me. Show me your inno child.

[nutella]

You know what, I'ma vote Jay. I really want to see what he flips. Nothing against you Jay.

Honestly what do we think of this?

It is weird. If Drago's bad he could have taken advantage of the Jay lynch to buy him another day, and then maybe he was able to block the vig hit on Fayt with the assumption that we'd eat up yet another day lynching Fayt. Ugh I don't want to feel like I'm falling into a trap voting for fayt.

Damn this makes sense though. He was defending Jay like hell (TMI) right up until Jay was actually getting lynched and then he decided to use it to his advantage to steer us wrong.

Fuck it [VOTE: dragomir] aubergine

[nutella]

I just voted fayt right away because she was the obvious next candidate after Jay's flip and the consensus vig target that didn't happen. I'm not just going for the path of least resistance, I definitely think we need to talk through our other options but I think she is the logical place to start. If you disagree please engage with me on that point. LC did so a bit regarding how yesterday's lynch went, so that is at least something to chew on but it didn't make her look particularly better in my eyes.

What's your take on it?

Well it's possible she was legitimately going for the tie plan and hoping Jay would flip bad with the softvote? Right? Idk the whole thing kind of confused me

[nutella]

So I guess I see what LC is going for there if I'm thinking about that correctly?

[nutella]

Also it's not really just EoD, it's basically the whole phase. Like she had given up and accepted her death for the greater good lol.

Sure sure. I don't know. There are so many things that look bad for her, but now that I'm thinking about Drago in the ways I described above, I'm seeing fayt in a more forgiving light.

[nutella]

[mention]Michelle[/mention] where's your head at fam?

[nutella]

[Michelle]

Michelle's is someone I've been liking less and less. Felt like she was beating around the bush with Jay in how she was handling him, she talked herself into voting him in a weird way lol.

I think I remember thinking something like that about her too.

@Michelle speak to me. Show me your inno child.

I was multitabling and with a busy RL. Now is monday morning and i have ahead the busiest day of the week. I will play in the work breaks.

JJJ pissed me off with his Poe thing and finally my nerves prevailed to logic. I am sorry but i am only a human. A dog i mean.
If this is a reason to lynch me i can only shrug.

I would look for the one who has the largest Poe rn because searching for one single scum doesn't mean you can change all the reads and accuse everyone.
From today I dislike the most Nutella for inconsistency. She may be wolfing and i had a question mark since yesterday. She previously pocketed me as wolf and her easy town read on me strikes me now as odd.

Note that i disliked Epi's posts and words and i answered at his posts but didn't push him back because i thought he may be a civ. The NK says i was right and if i was scum why i would let go the chance to omgus while Dragomir had such a jucy case against him? This is all i can bark in my defense.

[Michelle]

@Michelle where's your head at fam?

at you being scum

[Fayt]

I just want to know why he voted for Dom and then switched back immediately. He was originally going for me so I'm a little confused. If he doesn't like ties, why didn't he just go for me then.

[Fayt]

He being dragomir if that wasn't clear

[nutella]

From today I dislike the most Nutella for inconsistency.

Hi nice to meet you.

[nutella]

When you say I pocketed you as a wolf are you referring to the hydra game on mu?

[nutella]

My "easy town read on you" has been consistent for several phases; I have recently begun to doubt it.

[nutella]

Let me go down the list again.
Mac, I trust; if he's bad I have been thoroughly fooled. I will probably only seriously consider lynching him if it comes down to F3, which it better not tbh.
LC, I waffle on and have kept in mind as a possibility but Jay and Mac have stated confidence in his townie tone enough times to influence my view, and he seems to be legitimately trying to solve.
Michelle, I have some paranoia I'm wrong about her but I've had the strongest tone civ read of her almost all game and as far as I remember offhand her interactions with the dead cats / her general presence in previous days has seemed innocent enough.
My gut is telling me Nova vs Dom is town/town.
That leaves Fayt and Drago. Thinking back to yesterday, Fayt seemed to go along with the tie plan, which could indicate she (a) really understood that her slot needed to be solved, and/or (b) despite having townread jay previously, had enough hope that he could be bad and the softvote plan would work; both of these indicate innocence. However, several other data points, such as dead cat interactions and previous treatment of Jay, do not look good on her.
Drago... is a bit of a weird case. Rej's refusal to vote for him, speed's "could they both be bad" line, and a few other things reflect poorly on him; he also hard defended Jay for a while, until he bizarrely solidified Jay's lynch because he "needed to see how he flipped." My current concern about his behavior yesterday is that he saw how the tide turned on Jay and Fayt and saw that the town was desperate to solve both of those slots, and he decided to use that to his advantage to buy him a couple more day phases, and knowing the consensus plan was for the vig to target Fayt, potentially he successfully used his role block on that in order to prolong the focus on Fayt.

Yeah. I'm comfortable with this. Until today I was so reluctant to seriously consider Dragomir, but whatever reasons I had for assuming he was town do not stand up to the strength of this current theory in my mind. He's a sneaky kitty.

[nutella]

Oh my god just thinking of a couple more interactions and everything is clicking into place. It's gotta be drago. Fucking take it to the bank boys.

[Michelle]

When you say I pocketed you as a wolf are you referring to the hydra game on mu?

yes. i don't have other reference

[MacDougall]

If the last wolf concedes I'll give them $10.

[MacDougall]

I will miss day start again. So I'm gonna roll with nut on her Drago hunch ONE TIME. I shall bury her if it's wrong.

[Long Con]

I am also down with the Drago vote. Just the Day 1 lynch is enough to earn a vote, really. Rej pushed the lynch to me and away from Drago.

[Dom]

[VOTE: dragomir] aubergine

if I've been right about this the whole time....

Interesting last sentence. It's a good way to look at it. I'd say Dragomir fits that profile well. Maybe Nova?

Should we look through Epi's suspects?

I agre with this. Especially since nova literally has only just been on the dom is bad train with zero development for several days now

....
except your accusation against me is days old, and no longer has merit.
I've expressed several other positions and voted for jay yesterday.

Get wrecked bro and actually try because you're probably not bad.

[Fayt]

I'm still waiting on what Dragomir has to say.

[novaselinenever]

Michelle's is someone I've been liking less and less. Felt like she was beating around the bush with Jay in how she was handling him, she talked herself into voting him in a weird way lol.

I think I remember thinking something like that about her too.

@Michelle speak to me. Show me your inno child.

I was multitabling and with a busy RL. Now is monday morning and i have ahead the busiest day of the week. I will play in the work breaks.

JJJ pissed me off with his Poe thing and finally my nerves prevailed to logic. I am sorry but i am only a human. A dog i mean.
If this is a reason to lynch me i can only shrug.

I would look for the one who has the largest Poe rn because searching for one single scum doesn't mean you can change all the reads and accuse everyone.
From today I dislike the most Nutella for inconsistency. She may be wolfing and i had a question mark since yesterday. She previously pocketed me as wolf and her easy town read on me strikes me now as odd.

Note that i disliked Epi's posts and words and i answered at his posts but didn't push him back because i thought he may be a civ. The NK says i was right and if i was scum why i would let go the chance to omgus while Dragomir had such a jucy case against him? This is all i can bark in my defense.

What do you mean by that?

[novaselinenever]

That's a weird thing to say lol.

[novaselinenever]

Let me go down the list again.
Mac, I trust; if he's bad I have been thoroughly fooled. I will probably only seriously consider lynching him if it comes down to F3, which it better not tbh.

Ngl Mac's facilitator's role has been giving me the heebie jeebies although still gth good.. Could be a big scam, and like throughout the game I've been feeling just ok/good about him. But there is no definite good thing he did in my mind, a moment where I go "this dude is town" lol. Looking at Jay's legacy posts, he mentioned his play being along these lines.


LC, I waffle on and have kept in mind as a possibility but Jay and Mac have stated confidence in his townie tone enough times to influence my view, and he seems to be legitimately trying to solve.

What have you been waffling on about him?

Michelle, I have some paranoia I'm wrong about her but I've had the strongest tone civ read of her almost all game and as far as I remember offhand her interactions with the dead cats / her general presence in previous days has seemed innocent enough.
My gut is telling me Nova vs Dom is town/town.

I honestly don't feel like I'm wrong about him. He's so full of shit, and has like a fucking shady tone about him. The way he cases is vicious lol. He switches between an extremely agressive tone to messing around, also all his stances are going off of other people's cases. He just like beat people up in a series of posts when he shows up, then dips. It's also mostly superficial stuff like Drago being stubborn , I don't see him digging into their posts or trying to prod them to figure them out.

What's your full present take on him? You mentioned him a couple of times being in your PoE, also asked me about him and you still haven't given me anything.
That leaves Fayt and Drago. Thinking back to yesterday, Fayt seemed to go along with the tie plan, which could indicate she (a) really understood that her slot needed to be solved, and/or (b) despite having townread jay previously, had enough hope that he could be bad and the softvote plan would work; both of these indicate innocence. However, several other data points, such as dead cat interactions and previous treatment of Jay, do not look good on her.
Drago... is a bit of a weird case. Rej's refusal to vote for him, speed's "could they both be bad" line, and a few other things reflect poorly on him; he also hard defended Jay for a while, until he bizarrely solidified Jay's lynch because he "needed to see how he flipped." My current concern about his behavior yesterday is that he saw how the tide turned on Jay and Fayt and saw that the town was desperate to solve both of those slots, and he decided to use that to his advantage to buy him a couple more day phases, and knowing the consensus plan was for the vig to target Fayt, potentially he successfully used his role block on that in order to prolong the focus on Fayt.

Yeah. I'm comfortable with this. Until today I was so reluctant to seriously consider Dragomir, but whatever reasons I had for assuming he was town do not stand up to the strength of this current theory in my mind. He's a sneaky kitty.

I'm torn on Drago, got a pretty decent track record of reading him although I messed up our last game together. Early on seemed like I was seeing scum!drago but I've cooled off since with how he kept double-down and being stubborn af. It's a weird way for scum to act, and he's usually like that as town. He's more cooperative as scum. There is also the Dom stuff who I feel like was using Drago as an easy scum read to fake and like an easy target especially with how everyone was hounding him. One thing that I didn't like is how I feel like he's avoiding me lol, I prodded him a few times for reads and impressions and he never got back to me. It's weird 'cause he's usually talkative with me and we discuss a lot in the thread.

[novaselinenever]

[VOTE: dragomir] aubergine

if I've been right about this the whole time....

Interesting last sentence. It's a good way to look at it. I'd say Dragomir fits that profile well. Maybe Nova?

Should we look through Epi's suspects?

I agre with this. Especially since nova literally has only just been on the dom is bad train with zero development for several days now

....
except your accusation against me is days old, and no longer has merit.
I've expressed several other positions and voted for jay yesterday.

Get wrecked bro and actually try because you're probably not bad.

It's still very much relevant. Expressing other positions and voting elsewhere doesn't absolve you of shit, especially when you haven't done anything about it. Also I commented on your the other thoughts you've shared, it's not just about Drago.

Everything from Day 1, obvi. I'll try and formulate my thoughts when I'm done playing video games fro the night

I'm trying, thanks. How about you actually try? You could, perhaps, start with this. It's something that you haven't done, and I'm not going to stop giving you shit or think about you in another way until you engage me there.

[Michelle]

That's a weird thing to say lol.

yeah, bad wording is my specialty.
I wanted to say i was right he is civ and the NK prooves it. I hope now is understandable.

[Michelle]

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine
the first day wagons needs resolve.

[Dragomir]

You know what, I'ma vote Jay. I really want to see what he flips. Nothing against you Jay.

Honestly what do we think of this?

It is weird. If Drago's bad he could have taken advantage of the Jay lynch to buy him another day, and then maybe he was able to block the vig hit on Fayt with the assumption that we'd eat up yet another day lynching Fayt. Ugh I don't want to feel like I'm falling into a trap voting for fayt.

Damn this makes sense though. He was defending Jay like hell (TMI) right up until Jay was actually getting lynched and then he decided to use it to his advantage to steer us wrong.

Fuck it [VOTE: dragomir] aubergine

Having good reasons to town read someone is not TMI.

[Dragomir]

Dom is bad.

[Dragomir]

It's either Dom or Michelle for me but I need to read back at them to get my best feel.

[Dragomir]

Drago... is a bit of a weird case. Rej's refusal to vote for him, speed's "could they both be bad" line, and a few other things reflect poorly on him; he also hard defended Jay for a while, until he bizarrely solidified Jay's lynch because he "needed to see how he flipped." My current concern about his behavior yesterday is that he saw how the tide turned on Jay and Fayt and saw that the town was desperate to solve both of those slots, and he decided to use that to his advantage to buy him a couple more day phases, and knowing the consensus plan was for the vig to target Fayt, potentially he successfully used his role block on that in order to prolong the focus on Fayt.

@bold that doesn't make any sense at all. How do I buy a couple more DPs by voting up Jay? There was absolutely no point in me voting up Jay as mafia when both wagons would be townies. I just sit back and chill with my Dom vote. Prolong the focus on Fayt? For what? I started town reading him at EoD last DP. Should have been clear I wouldn't try pushing him but instead Dom or Michelle. If anybody I want the focus to be on is one of those two. Man, this lacks all logic in it. Like how did you come up with this?

[Dragomir]

I still fail to understand how you guys can town read Long Con.

[Dragomir]

Hmm.

Hmm what?

Need to reassess somethings.

[Michelle]

It's either Dom or Michelle for me but I need to read back at them to get my best feel.

I want for real to know your ideas.
What i dislike at you is not just the 1st day wagon formation, is also the cases you made, the idea you voted JJJ no matter alignament to see his flip, and an insecure feeling I had after D2. And a slight reservation in playstyle. You are holding yourself back. Just my feeling.
If you are not the last cat you have to explain this very good because you are in the spotlight now.
Pointing at me will not help because i am villager.

[Michelle]

It's either Dom or Michelle for me but I need to read back at them to get my best feel.

your own words sound cool.
How did you come up with this?

[Dragomir]

It's either Dom or Michelle for me but I need to read back at them to get my best feel.

I want for real to know your ideas.
What i dislike at you is not just the 1st day wagon formation, is also the cases you made, the idea you voted JJJ no matter alignament to see his flip, and an insecure feeling I had after D2. And a slight reservation in playstyle. You are holding yourself back. Just my feeling.
If you are not the last cat you have to explain this very good because you are in the spotlight now.
Pointing at me will not help because i am villager.

What does the d1 wagon tell you? How does it make me bad? I keep seeing it used against but I don't understand why.

[Dragomir]

It's either Dom or Michelle for me but I need to read back at them to get my best feel.

your own words sound cool.
How did you come up with this?

Nova's case against Dom is the best case in the entire game. I've been having a bad feeling against you lately.

[Dragomir]

I'm still waiting on what Dragomir has to say.

What do you want me to say?