Inception [END]

[MacDougall]

You got something stressing you out, Mac?

[Evenstar]

@Pawn Lelouch
@Lady LambdaDelta

Hey, the game's started. Give me your feels on nutella and mac.

Soul reading town for both.

Creature + Jack if T/W is always scum Jack imo, but leaning T/T rn. Creature is reminding me of town Creature from that game I try to repress.

Is it Color Wheel?

Yeppers.

Got any more content for me, Pawn?

[Evenstar]

You got something stressing you out, Mac?

But do you?

[MacDougall]

It’s for that reason alone I steer clear of mac because I don’t have the energy to go against him

(I tried once and it killed me internally)

I'd be interested what our alignments were in that game. If it's the one I am thinking of you were Mafia and I was town. Why should I be easy to case when I am town?

[MacDougall]

You got something stressing you out, Mac?

But do you?

No. I am the physical embodiment of all that is calm.

[Evenstar]

You got something stressing you out, Mac?

Mac actually doesn’t have that thick of skin, his job is just easy because of and when he’s accused his entire energy focus goes into rebuking it no matter his alignment

Well, I guess you'd have more meta on him than me...

[Evenstar]

You got something stressing you out, Mac?

But do you?

No. I am the physical embodiment of all that is calm.

But are you scum?

[Master Radishes]

Someone give me a new convo to join in on.

What are your opinions on Drago, 112 and Iaafr?

Thank you.

Drago - haven't paid much attention to, to be honest; have no reason to either SR or TR them so far from what I have noticed
112 - I've played with 112 about 100 times (literally) so I've seen it all from them; my intial lean is town, but I'll need to see how they progress into future rounds to be certain
iiafr - as mentioned to someone else earlier, he feels so similar to who I interacted with in spec chat that I feel that is his default setting, and therefore more likely to be town. I've not played with him before so don't know his scum game, but even his sudden read changes just feel right based on non-game-related 'meta' as it were

[MacDougall]

You got something stressing you out, Mac?

But do you?

No. I am the physical embodiment of all that is calm.

But are you scum?

No. This is the 2nd time you have asked this asinine question. It's really lame questioning Evenstar and I expect better of you. Go find wolves.

[Master Radishes]

Follow-up to my last response to Eva:

I've not followed 112-gate because I was distracted by Elephant, but my sense of it is very much that it's NAI for 112, and like I say I didn't really pay attention to Drago

[Evenstar]

And while I'm at it:

[mention]Pawn Lelouch[/mention]: Are you scum?

[mention]Master Radishes[/mention]: Got any scum reads?

and now I'm off to the mall

[Pawn Lelouch]

@Pawn Lelouch
@Lady LambdaDelta

Hey, the game's started. Give me your feels on nutella and mac.

Soul reading town for both.

Creature + Jack if T/W is always scum Jack imo, but leaning T/T rn. Creature is reminding me of town Creature from that game I try to repress.

Which game was this, Pawn? If you have a tell to read Creature by, I sure as hell haven't spotted it. Care to point it out to me?

Color Wheel Team Mafia. It's that one where it was Wyatt, Rosen, and myself on one of the scum teams. When elections were going on at the time and I actually forgot I was playing for my second round through due to lack of sleep and a overfocus.

And I'll admit I'm not quite sure how to articulate it. Just a combination of it being a striking exact example of how he had been playing and reading through Anni where he was scum and strikingly different in his approach if I had to guess.

My issue is that this isn't enough for me to normally give even a town lean like I have on him now. And I'm trying to figure out why my gut is pushing this one so hard.

[MacDougall]

Evenstar: Lame sus on Mac
Mac: Your sus is lame. Here is why.
Evenstar: Yes but r u scum?
Mac:

[Pawn Lelouch]

@Evenstar

so far you are an easy townread to me (actually the easiest), which makes me nervous only because I don't think you are easy to read in general. and in finals when you were town you were a townread, yes, but not an easy or pure one, just like a "I think eva is always like this and it's not scummy" one.

that said, the effortlessness of your savage-tone posting, and the fact that your conversation with Drogo, while meaningless shitposting, actually led you to have a read on him by the end, feels like v easytown to me.

should I be nervous about this read y or y not? :P

Yeah, you should be nervous. You're probably reading "not stressed out by champs" as "town" here: as Pawn would tell you, I'm never certain anything D1.

Keep watching me; generally I slip somewhere in my tapdancing by D3/4 if I'm scum. (Like in WC1 with my hotdogs thing.)

By D2 for close observation and D3/4 for more casual observation imo.

[Master Radishes]

And while I'm at it:

@Pawn Lelouch: Are you scum?

@Master Radishes: Got any scum reads?

and now I'm off to the mall

Mmm...I don't think so? I struggle with big games, and generally concentrate on 'clearing' a few names first so I can re-focus my attention. If I have time (I won't) I'll probably go back and re-read some things, but I don't do well in the uncertainty of D1s; I rely more on 'looking back' after a flip or two.

[Pawn Lelouch]

Man, so many town reads being handed out like candy over here, there's gotta be some TMI underneath them.

Oh totes. The question is who is truthful and who is TMIing. Considering like half of the players have posted at least some reads by now. And that is something that will take a bit to figure out frankly due to needing more data points and associatives to work with. So it can be a concern but not one that should be at the forefront of your mind until at least D1 starts.

[vanity.]

huh. there's a lot of posts. give me a moment to skim through stuff

[vanity.]

juliet's play pings me as wolfy so far. thoughts?

so what pings you exactly?

i know this was a billion years ago but what was pinging me was basically just actively taking a role of not gamesolving and specifically greeting. but that was just my primitive thought at the time.

[vanity.]

also 112 jumping onto me calling iaafr 3p was interesting

i didn't even necessarily believe it, and i was joking the post before. i just threw it out there sorta as a meme and uhhh... i don't know where i'm going with this. 112 bandwagoning onto it somewhat doesn't necessarily feel wolfy though. if something pinged them about iaafr then cool.

[Dragomir]

hey drago

am I scum, and why

You? Bad? Sure, you can be my bad girl anytime.

[Pawn Lelouch]

@Pawn Lelouch
@Lady LambdaDelta

Hey, the game's started. Give me your feels on nutella and mac.

Soul reading town for both.

Creature + Jack if T/W is always scum Jack imo, but leaning T/T rn. Creature is reminding me of town Creature from that game I try to repress.

Is it Color Wheel?

Yeppers.

Got any more content for me, Pawn?

Gimme a bit. Still making my way through this thread and catching up.

[Pawn Lelouch]

And while I'm at it:

@Pawn Lelouch: Are you scum?

@Master Radishes: Got any scum reads?

and now I'm off to the mall

1, no I am sadly not scum. I wanted to break my recent town streak but that didn't come to fruition.

2, I still maintain that this isn't that strong of a question line, since it is more of a way to gauge a player's personality rather than actually getting a proper alignment read out of it. And a player's personality naturally comes out during a game regardless. So if you have nothing else to post at the time it can be okay, but most of the time I view it as more of a timewaster than something actually hlpful.

[Evenstar]

hey drago

am I scum, and why

You? Bad? Sure, you can be my bad girl anytime.

oh fuck off

[Master Radishes]

Actual strong townreads based on tone:
vanity
Eva
nutella
Spiny Creature
iaafr

[nutella]

@nutella how is Evenstar FOSing me for pulling up past games to try to read Jack spicy at all? I believe she thinks it was something but you jumping on her read is lazy and weird.

I thought she made some pretty good points. You feel kinda off, and the fact that you went hunting for meta backup on something this early is only part of it.

People keep saying this sorta vague stuff about me and it's starting to bother me. What about me "feels off"? If you don't explain it I can't do anything about it. It's just frustrating. How is hunting for meta this early relevant when it's for something as specific as trying to correlate Jack's alignment when he snap townreads Creature? Should I have waited til day 4 to do it? Garbage tier shit.

... "suspected for the wrong reasons"?

Huh?

Feels a lot like "what can I do to get townread by you." There are what, two people suspecting you? Town Mac has thicker skin than this.

+1

[Master Radishes]

Oh, and maybe Creature, but it's possible I'm confusing the two creatures.

[Hyena]

Hey guys, I was busy the entirety of yesterday and forgot to check in here briefly, but all you missed was me saying hello and kill Lexi forthwith.

That is all, I’m going back to driving now. Someone wake me up at like D6

smh look at someone thinking he may be alive D6. How do you know this sir?

Cause I’m fucking prescient.

Naw cause I’m gonna be too low energy for scum to bother killing tbh

For a second, I read prescient as "president", and, like, I didn't remember ever placing a vote to elect Nanook. o:

[Hyena]

Also, I think Evenstar and Mac are scum and that they are distancing from each other. :3

[Hyena]

hey drago

am I scum, and why

You? Bad? Sure, you can be my bad girl anytime.

oh fuck off

lol

[Hyena]

Dragomir was the one who actually confronted me about liking too many people, right? If so, I like them.

[Master Radishes]

I also don't think scum!Benson jumps into my conversation with Elephant to softly defend me (it was more so shading Elephant, but) based on our shared history together. I think scum!Benson leaves that convo alone if anything.

But he and I vibe hard when towning together and I haven't gotten there yet, so we'll wait and see.

[Dragomir]

hey drago

am I scum, and why

You? Bad? Sure, you can be my bad girl anytime.

oh fuck off

[Hyena]

@Pawn Lelouch
@Lady LambdaDelta

Hey, the game's started. Give me your feels on nutella and mac.

Soul reading town for both.

Creature + Jack if T/W is always scum Jack imo, but leaning T/T rn. Creature is reminding me of town Creature from that game I try to repress.

I'm soulreading you as scum.

[Dragomir]

Dragomir was the one who actually confronted me about liking too many people, right? If so, I like them.

What? Why?

[Dragomir]

Also, I think Evenstar and Mac are scum and that they are distancing from each other. :3

Hoho, I'd like to see an elaboration on this.

[Pawn Lelouch]

@Pawn Lelouch
@Lady LambdaDelta

Hey, the game's started. Give me your feels on nutella and mac.

Soul reading town for both.

Creature + Jack if T/W is always scum Jack imo, but leaning T/T rn. Creature is reminding me of town Creature from that game I try to repress.

I'm soulreading you as scum.

Well my mind and soul are scummy so you're right tbh.

[Evenstar]

Pawn, the damn thing keep wanting to insert pings everywhere on my phone so I'm not quoting the post

1: Cool.

2: Frankly, I think you're misuunderstanding the purpose of the question.

What's your read on Mac, by the way?

[vanity.]

iaafr and i are not seeing eye to eye from what i've been reading.

it's gonna be one of those games

[Hyena]

Also, I think Evenstar and Mac are scum and that they are distancing from each other. :3

Hoho, I'd like to see an elaboration on this.

Because neither one of them are serious trying to solve me right now, nor are they allowing me to solve them. I feel like Mac in particular doesn't want to interact with me at all. He's SCAAAAARED~! Even though she denied it earlier, Evenstar tried to pocket me earlier.

[Master Radishes]

@Pawn Lelouch
@Lady LambdaDelta

Hey, the game's started. Give me your feels on nutella and mac.

Soul reading town for both.

Creature + Jack if T/W is always scum Jack imo, but leaning T/T rn. Creature is reminding me of town Creature from that game I try to repress.

I'm soulreading you as scum.

Well my mind and soul are scummy so you're right tbh.

I was just noticing you're the 666th member on this forum.

[Hyena]

iaafr and i are not seeing eye to eye from what i've been reading.

it's gonna be one of those games

Hi, Vanity. Are you town this game?

[Hyena]

@Pawn Lelouch
@Lady LambdaDelta

Hey, the game's started. Give me your feels on nutella and mac.

Soul reading town for both.

Creature + Jack if T/W is always scum Jack imo, but leaning T/T rn. Creature is reminding me of town Creature from that game I try to repress.

I'm soulreading you as scum.

Well my mind and soul are scummy so you're right tbh.

Fite me.

[Elephant]

Is it conspicuous? I think there are a lot of players absent from my list. Someone said this earlier, but with so many players in the game and it being only Day 0, it's impossible to keep track of everyone.

I haven't noticed Mac for better or for worse so far. He always posts a lot, from what I've seen. Doesn't mean he's contributing to gamesolving.


Question for you, Pachyderm: do you always have such a passive tone to your posts?

I am not convinced that the premise of your question is correct. Maybe you are confusing politeness and passivity?

Politeness is a form of passivity.

I wouldn't say your engagement level is passive, but the tone of your posts comes across as such. "Should that concern me?"; "Any light you could shed on these issues would be welcome"; etc = passive phrasing.

I just want to know if this is what I can expect from you so I can put it aside when forming a read.

Your manner of thought is alien to me, Master Radishes. Despite being concerned with "reads", you do not appear to actually take notice of what I wrote. You open your post by contradicting my implied assertion that passiveness and politeness are not identical, and then act as if that contradictory statement would remove my objection to your question, which it did not. In addition, I am unable to imagine how an expectation of "passivity" (or the absence of this expectation) would impact your ability to "form a read"; if you could educate me in this respect, I'd be much obliged.

On phone now, so not going to bother breaking up your post into relevant sections, but:
(a) What did you write that I didn't take notice of?
(b) We're now arguing over the semantics of 'passive' which seems NAI.
(c) Players have different posting styles, but I often associate passivity (as I define it) with scuminess. This is not a hard rule, however, and some people just have a tone to their posts I struggle to look past. There's a player on my home forum I scum read every single game and am usually wrong about, and it's because he posts in a manner I find similar to yours.

You have asked me a question that was unclear to me. After I drew your attention to that, you have not clarified (still!), but instead asserted that it wasn't unclear. Predictably, that led us nowhere. What you seem to be saying is that you would like to read "passivity" as scummy, but that it isn't really working out for you, which begs the question why you keep doing it. I still have no idea how the expectation of passivity can shape your read. Basically, you've been blocking my attempts to find out how you do solving in this game, which foils my attempt at townreading you. Why would you behave like this as town? (This is a genuine question!)

For now, I suggest that we revisit my original question: do you find it in character for MacDougall to ignore his absence on your reads list, or does it strike you as unusual? I understand you are somewhat familiar with him, is that correct?

I considered being smarmy and annoying here, because you are clearly being deliberately obtuse. But in general I like your schtick, so let's give this one more go.

(i) I assert that you have a particular tone to your posts that is 'unusual' compared to most other players;
(ii) I termed that tone 'passive' based on a certain manner of phrasing within your posts;
(iii) We disagreed on what a 'passive' tone is;
(iv) My explanation for why I asked you this question was because I use tone-reading to help form my scumreads, and I tend to correlate passivity (as I define it, which is to say as I find how you seem to post) with scumminess;
(v) However, at the same time I acknowledged that certain types of players, e.g. one on my home site, just always post in a style that I tend to scumread, and I suspect you are one of those types of players, hence my initial question to you.

As to your question, I am not familiar with Mac beyond spectating some Champs games, and I [/i]have[/] already responded to your point about this.

At this point, I shall become smarmy and annoying if you want to continue this conversation. It is going absolutely nowhere and is not conducive to solving the game for me.

I don't usually adhere to this manner of writing, however, I committed to it when I signed up for this game, which you might be able to verify by looking at the sign-up thread and my posts there; but since I do not understand what exactly constitutes the quality which you are looking for, I'm not certain whether you'll find it in those posts. I can reassure you that if you scumread me off my writing style, you'd be wrong, but obviously you're unlikely to trust my self-assessment.

I'm still wondering how you thought that a line of questioning that amounts to "do you always post like this, or only when you are scum" was going to work out, and how well you can pull off a "smarmy and annoying" response, so, please, attempt an answer if your fancy strikes you!

[Hyena]

Dragomir was the one who actually confronted me about liking too many people, right? If so, I like them.

What? Why?

Because I feel it. The other person who mentioned it didn't really confront me about it, so I don't like them.

[vanity.]

iaafr and i are not seeing eye to eye from what i've been reading.

it's gonna be one of those games

Hi, Vanity. Are you town this game?

indeed. i have a couple of strong townreads but trying to just finish up the rest of the pages i got.

for what it's worth i've gotten no read on you so far.

[Hyena]

Master Radishes, why are you messing with my friend Elephant? :[ That's not allowed right now.

[Hyena]

iaafr and i are not seeing eye to eye from what i've been reading.

it's gonna be one of those games

Hi, Vanity. Are you town this game?

indeed. i have a couple of strong townreads but trying to just finish up the rest of the pages i got.

for what it's worth i've gotten no read on you so far.

I believe you. And that's fine. I'll become obvious town later. <3

[vanity.]

iaafr

creature
dragomir
michelle
sprityo
benson

evenstar
hyena

null line

112
macdougall
jackofhearts
nutella

i am townreading 3 of your wolves.

[Evenstar]

Also, I think Evenstar and Mac are scum and that they are distancing from each other. :3

Hoho, I'd like to see an elaboration on this.

Because neither one of them are serious trying to solve me right now, nor are they allowing me to solve them. I feel like Mac in particular doesn't want to interact with me at all. He's SCAAAAARED~! Even though she denied it earlier, Evenstar tried to pocket me earlier.

Did I or did I not peg you as exactly town hyena in that demons anonymous game?

[Master Radishes]

I don't usually adhere to this manner of writing, however, I committed to it when I signed up for this game, which you might be able to verify by looking at the sign-up thread and my posts there; but since I do not understand what exactly constitutes the quality which you are looking for, I'm not certain whether you'll find it in those posts. I can reassure you that if you scumread me off my writing style, you'd be wrong, but obviously you're unlikely to trust my self-assessment.

I'm still wondering how you thought that a line of questioning that amounts to "do you always post like this, or only when you are scum" was going to work out, and how well you can pull off a "smarmy and annoying" response, so, please, attempt an answer if your fancy strikes you!

That's all I was after. Thank you.

It was not intended to be a defining point of my read on you. It ballooned into something much bigger than it should have been. But I'm not opposed to asking players I'm unfamiliar with to self-assess game (or, in this instance, style of writing) as a means of gaining insight into how they play. Weirder things than self-reflection have led to reads in the past.



I can't really do smarmy and annoying anyway - that was an empty threat.