Inception [END]

[Evenstar]

eva do you still think im scum btw

yes

[iaafr]

eva do you still think im scum btw

yes

ok yea im good with lynching you today

[iaafr]

in fact im just gonna leave my vote there and afk the rest of the day

[VOTE: evenstar] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hey Nanook, where the fuck are you? Stop hiding behind Mac and start playing the game.

This is on topic though? Why the green?

And to answer your earlier question I'm still null+ on Mac.

Hi Pawn. I see you're still around and close-reading despite your last post being two hours ago. Care to share any of your insights, or are you just gonna float through the rest of the day taking convenient potshots?

Mac is comfy though.

I mean I can sheep you instead if you want. Who should I be voting for?

[nutella]

1. I didn't defend Jack for no apparent reason. I have observed jack FPS read Creature town before and initially thought that it might be a scumtell so I went to check whether it was from a scum game but found it was an indy game.
2. I fully expected this game to be chill. Several people said they were gonna phone it in and have fun. I didn't anticipate getting attacked for being relaxed and was not mentally prepared for it. I prepared myself for the champs games. Those are not my usual mode at all. I rarely if ever top post in games on here. Also I have been phone posting and it's been the weekend and I've been trying to enjoy my beers, bbq and pool time while playing. I was frustrated because people were suspecting me for irrational reason on day 0 when I didn't want to have to take this game seriously. I can't help myself sometimes though.
3. I ... don't think this is actually true?
4. How does this make me scum? You are making such basic reads. I can vote for whoever I want, whenever I want. All that matters is where my vote ends up. This is why i think you are bad. You are not considering your opinions, you are just making them.

Hmmmmm.

[VOTE: Hyena] aubergine

Hyena's town tho


......maybe you are bad after all :\

[nutella]

I have now flipped on mac and eva wheeeeee

[Epignosis]

Wait, my vote is bad. I didn't actually read Epignosis's ISO, and I actually like their process of finding 112 civ.

So, like
[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

The thread has gotten away from me, I need to try and understand what is happening with you Hyena. You voted Epi, unvoted him, then voted him again, then this. If you never read Epi's ISO and you liked his process on 112 why did you ever vote for him?

Because I remember people scumreading them but didn't remember anything they had said, so I wanted to 1. get him to engage with me, and 2. see how others reacted to the vote. 112 asked me if she could trust me, which felt kinda weird, and Evenstar eventually voted with me, though I think she'd do that as either alignment. I don't remember any other reactions.

You didn't want me to engage with you. I wasn't even around. I just happened to be in the thread while my turkey was in the oven. I just happened to vote you for no reason whatsoever. You called it "fight."

You also did not leave your vote on me long enough to see how others would react.

You are exuding bullshit. You are mafia.

[iaafr]

its funny how you guys use bad for scum because

idk on other sites im from calling people bad [at playing town] is pretty common so lol it reads that way to me at first

[Benson]

Looked at the ISO: 112 has way too few hot-takes/60. That's a lynching imo

I'm intrigued by how much you two have been at each other's throats. Both of you have said things to the effect of "we can spot each other when we're both town" and the opposite of that has happened, which makes me think one of you is likely bad. I have leaned 112 based on some prior reasons and because I saw her as a deepwolf in wc1 whereas I'm unfamiliar with you.

From your perspective I can understand this. However, I'd caution that it's probably too early to be definitively suggesting that one of us has to be bad based on how we've interacted. I wouldn't be surprised if 112 pops in tomorrow and starts calling me a villa.

[Long Con]

Is a villa a villain, or a vanilla?

[iaafr]

Is a villa a villain, or a vanilla?

villager as opposed to wolf

means simply alignment = good

villager : wolf :: town : mafia :: good : bad

[Long Con]

Is a villa a villain, or a vanilla?

villager as opposed to wolf

means simply alignment = good

villager : wolf :: town : mafia :: good : bad

Thanks, I'm familiar with "villager", just not the short form.

[Epignosis]

Evenstar, Dragomir, Epignosis, Benson

What are three epic fantasy names and one mediocre sitcom?

[Benson]

full disclosure i think eva is town but i kinda wanna just pl her on my perception that she keeps tunneling town (me, mac, hyena) and is going to continue to do so and form stubborn uncompromising reads that i disagree with etc

probably wont end up staying on this vote but theres no good wagons yet

eh maybe i sit on 112 for now

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

I confused about what you're saying here

[iaafr]

full disclosure i think eva is town but i kinda wanna just pl her on my perception that she keeps tunneling town (me, mac, hyena) and is going to continue to do so and form stubborn uncompromising reads that i disagree with etc

probably wont end up staying on this vote but theres no good wagons yet

eh maybe i sit on 112 for now

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

I confused about what you're saying here

PL stands for policy lynch

as in I'll lynch a townread because I dislike what they're doing to the gamestate and they keep tunneling my townreads

[iaafr]

and me, mainly, and I still don't understand why and it's annoying

she called me incoherent scum when I'm like somewhat coherent town and now I have a chip on my shoulder and i want her dead.

[nutella]

oh yeah heres the bonding exercise / thought experiment i wanted to start yesterday

@everyone

1. who is your top townread and why
2. of your top townreads reads, which do you agree with most? why? do you trust that read more than you trust your own townread of them?
3. @ your top townread with the reads of theirs that you agree with and disagree with to facilitate working among mutual townreads

im feeling dead inside so im not starting off

i wont be offended if nobody does this, i just thought it was a kinda cool idea

1. probably you because your reads are organic and you're not afraid to just stream of consciousness them/flip flop which I vibe with
2. you townread creature and I agree with that, he and epi are my other very strong townreads along with you
3. I disagreed with a handful of your other reads but to be honest I don't really know which of your reads are even current rn bc you have changed them a fair amount

[Benson]

full disclosure i think eva is town but i kinda wanna just pl her on my perception that she keeps tunneling town (me, mac, hyena) and is going to continue to do so and form stubborn uncompromising reads that i disagree with etc

probably wont end up staying on this vote but theres no good wagons yet

eh maybe i sit on 112 for now

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

I confused about what you're saying here

PL stands for policy lynch

as in I'll lynch a townread because I dislike what they're doing to the gamestate and they keep tunneling my townreads

Oh right. I should've figure that out lol.

[Evenstar]

damn it I'm wrong about either Iaafr or benson and I'm not sure which

[iaafr]

damn it I'm wrong about either Iaafr or benson and I'm not sure which

both probs

[Evenstar]

[mention]Nutella[/mention] talk to me about town!Iaafr, I'm not seeing it

[Epignosis]

I have hit the wall. I'll be more coherent in the morning but here are some thoughts running around in my head -

- I still lean town on Mac.
- I'm seeing a completely different Eva than the one I saw in WC1 though I only picked up starting mid day 2 in that game. I don't think one of she or Mac has to be scum in this game.
- I am leading town on Drago, I'm sure I can point out some reasons why but it will have to wait until tomorrow, though obviously I don't agree with his vote on Mac.
- Seems like one of 112 or Benson must be scum since they both say they accurately read each other and they both say the other is bad. I guess they could both be scum but I doubt it. Right now I have a clearer picture of 112 as town.
- Not understanding the votes for Epi except what hyena explained about his vote. Will look more closely at this in the morning.
- Reserving judgement on iaafr and hyena, I've been back and forth on both. Also reserving judgement on LC, he has fooled me SO many times but I know his weekends are usually taken up with family things and the food truck
- Reading sprityo as town after his last post.

I'm sure I will have other thoughts in the morning, there are just so many people to form opinions about.

Epi if you still need a favor just ping me in a post and I'll try to accommodate in the morning.

oh wow tons of linki - I'll have to read it tomorrow.

It's simple:

When I'm at work, I'm not going to be able to read, and there's no way I'm going to be able to keep up at this ungodly rate of nonsense.

If you would give me a simple summary- no need to be elaborate- and maybe link me to a few pertinent things each Day phase so that I can function and have some idea of a sound vote, that would go a long way for me.

No worries if you can't, but thank you much if you can.

[Evenstar]

[mention]iaafr[/mention] You got a strong argument for why Benson is town, or are you just trying to dunk on my reads?

[iaafr]

im just always baffled when i get tunneled like this because i hardly see any scum with a playstyle that matches my towngame and i feel like ive been mostly transparent with most of my thoughts and my confidence levels are shaky like theyre supposed to be and i clearly dont have tmi and wtf honestly

also no, i dont have a strong argument for why benson is town other than them feeling generally solvy and liking the posts i said i liked (their first readspost, their post saying they dont actually have a confident scumread on 112, their post saying they wouldnt be surprised if 112 came in townreading them tomorrow, etc)

[iaafr]

at least long_con's reasons are little wording things that make sense

which tbh maybe makes him more likely scum lmao but w/e im not gonna try to push longcon idc enough

[iaafr]

@iaafr You got a strong argument for why Benson is town, or are you just trying to dunk on my reads?

also this post annoys me because i have a clear progression on benson and if im in your top 3 suspicions you should probably be paying attention to my posts?

i even made posts about letting benson stay in towncircle on the last page

so its clearly not just trying to dunk on your reads and its kind of insulting that you even suggest that

[Epignosis]

I am presently married to my Hyena vote. nutella, explain why that and I should get a divorce.

[iaafr]

btw of the scumreads of evas that i disagree with, hyena is the one where want to admit i could be wrong, but i thought the townvibes i got from him were really strong, so i dont want to be wrong

[Evenstar]

@iaafr You got a strong argument for why Benson is town, or are you just trying to dunk on my reads?

also this post annoys me because i have a clear progression on benson and if im in your top 3 suspicions you should probably be paying attention to my posts?

i even made posts about letting benson stay in towncircle on the last page

so its clearly not just trying to dunk on your reads and its kind of insulting that you even suggest that

enh, fair

I should probably step away from the game for a bit, I've been posting more or less continuously for like 12 hours now

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yawn, already feeling depressed

Have a beer.

Man, Target’s beer selection is garbage. It’s not even November and not a single Oktoberfest in the store. Got some Voodoo Ranger IPA instead.

[Epignosis]

So story time.

Once upon a time, I was The Syndicate Mafia Universe representative.

I called out a member of the mafia for using quite the same language Hyena has been using. The name was EngagedEnglish or EnglishEngine or something like that. I nailed him simply because of his words.

I backed off because he was a stranger to me, and I doubted myself. I was killed and the mafia won.

I'm not doing that again. Hyena is guilty. I see the same telltale linguistic tics.

[iaafr]

i'll lend a science vote then

ill decide whether i believe in it later on

[VOTE: hyena] aubergine

[Epignosis]

Yawn, already feeling depressed

Have a beer.

Man, Target’s beer selection is garbage. It’s not even November and not a single Oktoberfest in the store. Got some Voodoo Ranger IPA instead.

And Jack should be lynched for going to Target for a beer run.

[Epignosis]

I object to an Evenstar lynch.

[iaafr]

still dont trust nutella, all things considered, after a bong rip

[iaafr]

she is incapable of producing independent thoughts

an alarmingly high proportion of her takes are about clearly extant dichotomies/trichotomies and a lot of it feels fencesitty or "im currently leaning this way" with no apparent drive to get to a conclusion on her own

she feels disconnected and disengaged in a scummy way

the thing she seems to feel strongly about are probably TMI

[iaafr]

also like i said, scum tend to townread my playstyle and she townread me in the way scum tend to townread me for

"probably you because your reads are organic and you're not afraid to just stream of consciousness them/flip flop which I vibe with"

[iaafr]

but it rly could just be me mindmelding with 112s personality rather than alignment and not doing so with mac and nutella etc

but uh 112s personality here is like my town personality and the timing of that question of that read on nutella and mac was like

its a question id have already asked in this gamestate if i were in a more tryhard/contentforcey mentality

i don't understand the purpose of 112 saying that thing in the first place

i make posts to psych myself up sometimes like when i actually feel like im gonna have a good town game

idk

i relate to the sentiment and find it towny

mmmm fair enough

contrast this reaction with all the town who found that post of mine weird

because it was weird

[MacDougall]

49ers

[Epignosis]

49ers

I don't know that position.

[iaafr]

"iiafr townish. In fact, aside from disagreeing with half his reads, I'm ready to follow him to the ends of the subconscious and beyond."

This gets first place in the fakest opinion ever

Not sure I agree with you but eager to see where this goes.

this is a really scummy post reacting to mac incorrectly sussing radishes for a correct read on me

anyway ready to vote her and lead the wagon and clear everybody on it except the bussers

nutella is scum

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

[Long Con]

she is incapable of producing independent thoughts

an alarmingly high proportion of her takes are about clearly extant dichotomies/trichotomies and a lot of it feels fencesitty or "im currently leaning this way" with no apparent drive to get to a conclusion on her own

she feels disconnected and disengaged in a scummy way

the thing she seems to feel strongly about are probably TMI

I do like this read though. I could vote for nutella. This read feels more real than a lot of the candy you give out. Bong rip is nice too. I'm gonna go for a before-bed joint.

[iaafr]

most of nutellas posts are just limp and the strong ones stand out as too confident for no reason

i dont see a town undercurrent

[Long Con]

"iiafr townish. In fact, aside from disagreeing with half his reads, I'm ready to follow him to the ends of the subconscious and beyond."

This gets first place in the fakest opinion ever

Not sure I agree with you but eager to see where this goes.

this is a really scummy post reacting to mac incorrectly sussing radishes for a correct read on me

anyway ready to vote her and lead the wagon and clear everybody on it except the bussers

nutella is scum

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Let's give it a whirl. [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

[iaafr]

long con is locktown for this reaction

[MacDougall]

[mention]juliets[/mention] aren't you a Panthers fan?[ Commiserations if so./OT]

[Evenstar]

State of the reads before I go:
Hyena was super town and then he did that bullshit with Epi and then he was scummy for a bit and then he started getting back to his old self again. I have no idea what to think. Don't think I lynch here today.
112 is hard to read, but feels more abrasive and yelly in this game than in previous ones. They could be scum.
Benson is being hard scumread by 112 and 112 is hard scumreading them back. I also don't like their attitude, but their recent ibteractions with Iaafr are making me feel like I could be misreading them. Needs investigation.
Mac is definitely off, but on review I think that might just be hosting stress 'cause this is his invitational. Reserving judgment for now.
Dango Dango Daizoku or whatever is a creep but he's a town creep, there's just no reason he'd deliberately antagonize me so much if he was scum.
Iaafr is still feeling scummy to me, but their recent interactions are better. Want to see more.
Nutella is town.
Nanook and Lexi are hiding and it's making me scumread both of them. Come play the fricking game, people.
Pawn is null because Pawn is always null D1.
I can't read creature but I trust the thread consensus that he's town.
Spiny Creature is just town. I will fight anybody who says otherwise.
Elephant is intimidating as hell. Slight townlean becauae he's been asking good questions, but I am absolutely not confident in that.
Epi's looking good now that he's checked into the thread. Would lynch Hyena over Epi any day rn.
Jackofhearts is just sorta there, I don't feel like he's contributed much
Juliets feels town but I have a hard time pointing to specific contributions by her
Same with Michelle
Haven't seen enough of Long Con to form a real impression
Rej is bad at mafia and may also be bad mafia
Sprityo is probably town
TonyStark feels scummy
No read on vanity yet.

If I were to not return, where would I want my vote to be at EoD...

[VOTE: NanookTheConqueror] aubergine

Where'd you put the player who was in finals?

[iaafr]

why is nutella town, eva

[MacDougall]

I find the progression from Evenstar is scum and I am voting her and going afk, to Nutella is scum and I am voting her and leading the wagon to valhalla sketchy.

[iaafr]

eva is scum?

epignosis is scum?

still all possible