Inception [END]

[Benson]

@112 at what point did you stop suspecting me?

Benson, son of Ben. May I offer you a Creature lynch as a starter?

I have almost no opinion on him. I'll do an ISO in a sec.
I do share the sentiment that the 5-6 people villa-reading him does NOT mean he's spewed town in a game this big.

[Benson]

Does anyone remember all the players that gave Creature town reads early on? I'm too lazy to search it.

[MacDougall]

Jack was one. I kinda sheeped it. Don't remember who else. Maybe Evenstar?

[iaafr]

the ones that were conspicuous were jackofhearts + nutella

i forget who else

[nutella]

Aight let's try this. So many names

Epignosis
Hyena
Creature

112
Benson
iaafr
MacDougall

Master Radishes
Michelle
vanity.

Evenstar
Jackofhearts2005
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

DFaraday
Dom
Quin
sprityo
Texas Cloverleaf

Elephant
Lady Lambdadelta
Long Con
novaselinenever
Pawn Lelouch
Spiny Creature
Trustworthy Liberal
TonyStarkPrime

Dragomir
juliets
Rej

......This was hard. Much of this subject to change.

[VOTE: rej] aubergine

[nutella]

My problem with Creature is that I have no actual reason to offer a read. He's blendy, and he became even blendier as soon as he started getting locktown clears. I hate that. Civs are meant to get active when they get locktown clears imo.

Fair enough. He should do more things.

[nutella]

Jack was one. I kinda sheeped it. Don't remember who else. Maybe Evenstar?

I was one.

[Benson]

Jack was one. I kinda sheeped it. Don't remember who else. Maybe Evenstar?

Thanks. I remember Evenstar came in afterwards saying that Creature was spewed town *because* of all the early town reads.

[iaafr]

what has rej posted

[nutella]

what has rej posted

like 2 or 3 wordvomits of hot garbage iirc

[MacDougall]

[mention]nutella[/mention] you have Juliets as bottom group eh? Talk to me.

[Elephant]

Yeah you guys should D1 a new player cause they’ll be harder to read!

Wait....

Epignosis then?

Fine with me. I'm not bad, but there's no way I'm going to keep up with this.

I am awake and picking up where I left off last night. [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine for trying reverse pysychology, and a revenge vote on Hyena. Looking at the poll, I anticipate my vote may change during the next 600 posts of catching up.

LIke, why say the last part? Wolves so often feel the need to tack on additional information about hwo they are going to vote.

I mention not being caught up because I want to be transparent about the state of my mind, and I see the need for transparency since the original votes on Epignosis have gone elsewhere, and I have not. I had hoped to avoid ill-considered cases on me. Judge for yourself how successful that was.

actually, let's just cut off the infected part while it's early.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

You have no case and no investigation, merely pressure. Why do you do it?

Unfortunately I can't find any more votes in that "expand view" feature, although I know iaafr was just sheeping 112, and Nanook seems to have a blank vote. I'll go back to catching up until someone actually quotes or mentions me, ok?

[iaafr]

Just skimmed again through million of posts and forgot half of the content.
I will just relax as I rly have a bad day today and I wasted my energy into carrying home the Cats/Dogs game with Novas and Speedchuck

Here some crappy GTH reads to satisfy your hunger:

Nutella - good
Michelle - good
Sprityo - good
the guy with the rabbit avatar - good

Just skimmed again through million of posts and forgot half of the content.
I will just relax as I rly have a bad day today and I wasted my energy into carrying home the Cats/Dogs game with Novas and Speedchuck

Here some crappy GTH reads to satisfy your hunger:

Nutella - good
Michelle - good
Sprityo - good
the guy with the rabbit avatar - good

I have no clue who this guy is but this entrance instantly makes me hate him

You leave Rej alone he’s a nice person and I like his emojis.

thank you


@Evenstar
2 options you really are scum and you just mention my obviously scummy behaviour to set up something going on against me
or you are a honest civillian who saw my bad play and simply questions me, but then still harshly puts a bad read on me because of a fucking D0 ISO.
Youu will be surprised, my D0 Iso really is bullshit.

So which option?

@Michelle
I think you have some too high expectations of me, I didn't meant to cause confusion with bullcrap-reads.
I skimmed through and I still have 4 pages to read, but I highly think you are a civillian who is putting much effort into game.

I didn't sign up here to give my 100% effort and catch up 1000 posts twice each to ensure I got everything + doing ISOs.

I am glad I rolled a pedestrian role to hang up in the civillisation so don't mind me too much, I will try to play clean and fun.

Since my min effort + new faces I am not able to generate reads on wolves, feel free to slaughter me or integrate me into towncore.

I will go sleep for now and I will catch up alot tomorrow...rly alot I feel, anyway good night, and tag me if anything.

i like these posts lmao

[nutella]

@nutella you have Juliets as bottom group eh? Talk to me.

Eh idk. It's fuzzy. Some of the people in the big group above that could be roughly at the same level as her, just "I'm not really getting any good vibes here"/something intangible rubbed me the wrong way.

[Benson]

Yeah you guys should D1 a new player cause they’ll be harder to read!

Wait....

Epignosis then?

Fine with me. I'm not bad, but there's no way I'm going to keep up with this.

I am awake and picking up where I left off last night. [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine for trying reverse pysychology, and a revenge vote on Hyena. Looking at the poll, I anticipate my vote may change during the next 600 posts of catching up.

LIke, why say the last part? Wolves so often feel the need to tack on additional information about hwo they are going to vote.

I mention not being caught up because I want to be transparent about the state of my mind, and I see the need for transparency since the original votes on Epignosis have gone elsewhere, and I have not. I had hoped to avoid ill-considered cases on me. Judge for yourself how successful that was.

actually, let's just cut off the infected part while it's early.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

You have no case and no investigation, merely pressure. Why do you do it?

Unfortunately I can't find any more votes in that "expand view" feature, although I know iaafr was just sheeping 112, and Nanook seems to have a blank vote. I'll go back to catching up until someone actually quotes or mentions me, ok?

Yeah, all fair.

This wasn't directed at me but I think votes for merely pressure are acceptable strategies.

[Benson]

I can't bring myself to get serious about a Creature wagon today when a) he doesn't really leave a good or bad impression on me; and b) people from this site, who know him better than i do, were calling him villa right off the bat.

[Benson]

Do we expect a lot of people to get shot tonight?

[nutella]

Fair enough iaafr, he has a carefree attitude that I can understand liking. Having played with him a few times I think he tends to look scummy all the time (he was scum in the last game I played with him so I may have some bias in the read, but I remember thinking he has looked sketchy as town too so it's hard to be sure tbf) The part that came off worst to me was this:

Since my min effort + new faces I am not able to generate reads on wolves, feel free to slaughter me or integrate me into towncore.

Like... ick what is that. "Imma not try so either lynch me or worship me"...or something?

[nutella]

Or maybe I'm misreading that? I honestly have no clue. That's part of why I don't like it.

[Master Radishes]

Good morning. Still catching up, but:

@Benson you are scum right? Popping in and out to share your two cents. You're hiding something bucko.

He's had a lot more interactive content than you so far tbh. Lots of juicy meaty meta discussion between him and 112 and Radish. One of those three is probably scum, maybe him, but lack of content is not a valid reason to suspect him.

Take our meta reads with a big grain of salt. The three of us have literally played about 100 games with each other over the last 7+ years. We've seen it all from each other, and fooled each other enough times that we're all paranoid at this stage of the game.

My impression of the other two has been that they felt more comfortable easing into this game by paying attention to each other/me. It's not necessarily indicative that one is scum.

[iaafr]

still cant bring myself to fully trust nutella/112

[nutella]

I'm going to sleep now, looking forward to reading 12 more pages when I wake up

[Elephant]

Yeah you guys should D1 a new player cause they’ll be harder to read!

Wait....

Epignosis then?

Fine with me. I'm not bad, but there's no way I'm going to keep up with this.

I am awake and picking up where I left off last night. [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine for trying reverse pysychology, and a revenge vote on Hyena. Looking at the poll, I anticipate my vote may change during the next 600 posts of catching up.

LIke, why say the last part? Wolves so often feel the need to tack on additional information about hwo they are going to vote.

I mention not being caught up because I want to be transparent about the state of my mind, and I see the need for transparency since the original votes on Epignosis have gone elsewhere, and I have not. I had hoped to avoid ill-considered cases on me. Judge for yourself how successful that was.

actually, let's just cut off the infected part while it's early.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

You have no case and no investigation, merely pressure. Why do you do it?

Unfortunately I can't find any more votes in that "expand view" feature, although I know iaafr was just sheeping 112, and Nanook seems to have a blank vote. I'll go back to catching up until someone actually quotes or mentions me, ok?

Yeah, all fair.

This wasn't directed at me but I think votes for merely pressure are acceptable strategies.

I do not understand how mere pressure is a strategy if it has no goal. If there is no goal, how can you have a strategy?
A blank vote says, "I scumread this person, but I do not want to investigate them, engage them, or convince anyone else, and while I feel this scum read is important, I will not share my thought process". It is like playing the game and not playing it, simultaneously.

[Master Radishes]

I'm confused, because I think I saw at least two others say they liked this post, but:

God DAMNIT

I hate reading 10 pages solely in my phone

It’s not even reading as much as it is trying to take in every single thread I can

Since nothing new is really being made


So here’s what I saw:
-creature is town/spewing/TMIing or whatever the hell. I don’t care, I’ve never liked how creature plays aka the pity/pessimist card and I never see what people see in him that’s town

-evenstar’s entire progression against make was one accusation, that just compiled on itself with honestly little to no content to back it up and anyone who jumped on it should be considered scum. What it means if evenstar, scumlean. I’m sure Mac will sort things out. He’s a big boy

-112 and benson have some kinda beef, that’s none of my problem

-vanity feels the need to vote for me (but I already addressed that earlier

-iaafr exists but that’s all I know. As opposed to everyone else who might exist, I know they made at least something noteworthy to catch my eye, don’t ask what it was because I don’t remember

-and people just plop 2 votes on epi like a steaming turd I guess some things don’t change


In conclusion, I side with Mac and won’t consider him a viable lynch candidate at this time. [VOTE: Evenstar] aubergine

Are there...are there any actual thoughts in here?

-creature is town/spewing/TMIing or whatever the hell. I don’t care, I’ve never liked how creature plays aka the pity/pessimist card and I never see what people see in him that’s town

I'm not entirely sure where sprityo ended on Creature. Town? Not town?

-112 and benson have some kinda beef, that’s none of my problem

So...then why comment?

-vanity feels the need to vote for me (but I already addressed that earlier

Standard 'something related to me' additional comment; also adds nothing.

-evenstar’s entire progression against make was one accusation, that just compiled on itself with honestly little to no content to back it up and anyone who jumped on it should be considered scum. What it means if evenstar, scumlean. I’m sure Mac will sort things out. He’s a big boy
...
In conclusion, I side with Mac and won’t consider him a viable lynch candidate at this time. [VOTE: Evenstar] aubergine

I feel the phrase 'in conclusion' has been misused here. He's just snuggling into Mac's pocket to ride out the argument without seeming to fencesit.

[VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine

[iaafr]

i could see it.

my townread on him was probably for stupid reasons.

[Michelle]

my last post is in page 16 and now we are in page 37 -_-
And D1 started this is cool ^^

going to work and catch up idk when, today is the busiest day at work :/

@ me if needed

[iaafr]

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

i trust master radishes more than i trust 112 and that post he quoted looks worse than any elephant post

[nutella]

sprityo is also very frequent mislynch bait on this site as he will have you know. I didn't like the post either and want more from him, but I'm not about to throw a vote on him

[nutella]

Ugh I'm not really feeling the rej vote either though. Maybe I should try someone in my big lighter orange blob.

[VOTE: pawn lelouch] aubergine

do something memorable

[nutella]

actually going to sleep now but I also want to hear more thoughts on spiny. I didn't like her spat with hyena but her argument there was kinda justified, she just also ignored some other points. Eva seems confident she's town. Anyone else who's played with her have input?

[nutella]

She was scum in wc2 right? I only read like 3 pages of d1 of that game and called her out as scum. So maybe I should trust my gut there, might have been for similar reasons.

[112]

MR GOAT

[Elephant]

[mention]Benson[/mention] [mention]Master Radishes[/mention]
Could you please give me your opinions on iaafr and 112? I have read up to 1500, and you seem connected. It has also caught my attention that three of you have recently voted me, and from the 1500 mindset, this occurence feels strange.

[Elephant]

@Benson @Master Radishes
Could you please give me your opinions on iaafr and 112? I have read up to 1500, and you seem connected. It has also caught my attention that three of you have recently voted me, and from the 1500 mindset, this occurence feels strange.

Please quote or mention, I am still catching up!

[Elephant]

Yeah you guys should D1 a new player cause they’ll be harder to read!

Wait....

Epignosis then?

Fine with me. I'm not bad, but there's no way I'm going to keep up with this.

I am awake and picking up where I left off last night. [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine for trying reverse pysychology, and a revenge vote on Hyena. Looking at the poll, I anticipate my vote may change during the next 600 posts of catching up.

I took longer too catch up than I can afford.

[Elephant]

we must kill the elephant before his dark spiritual energies corrupt our souls

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[Creature]

Damn, I fell asleep somehow

[Creature]

Rej is my spirit animal

So your spirit animal is a sloth?

[Creature]

Evenstar, Dragomir, Epignosis, Benson

I could jive with this as a scum list despite towncircling 2 of these people.

consider this post official betrayal of my own towncircle and signal of intent to vote somewhere in here possibly

Which two are in your town circle?

dragomir and Benson but they both pinged me since I put them in there so I've been having doubts

my day 1 reads end up being every possible read in the game but I'll be right at some point

I see I have fallen off?

[Creature]

Imagine not having checked in yet and seeing this many pages.

Go to the last page and spam until someone interacts with you.

[Creature]

Still stuck at page 29

Guess I'll just make irrelevant comments before taking actual stances

[Creature]

this games too big man can we skip to d5

What about we just pile on some wagon and meme the rest of the day?

[Creature]

1494 is interesting

Hyena and Spiny Creature have interacted a lot and I feel like they're most likely TvS or SvS

[TonyStarkPrime]

@TonyStarkPrime I am voting for you. Do you know why?

No clue

[TonyStarkPrime]

[VOTE: Juliets] aubergine
No new reason, just coasting on my one scum read from the players I’m almost familiar with

CMV: this is the worst vote in the game so far.

I do even think there was the slightest of follow-up

No currently no follow up I don’t think

[Creature]

So story time.

Once upon a time, I was The Syndicate Mafia Universe representative.

I called out a member of the mafia for using quite the same language Hyena has been using. The name was EngagedEnglish or EnglishEngine or something like that. I nailed him simply because of his words.

I backed off because he was a stranger to me, and I doubted myself. I was killed and the mafia won.

I'm not doing that again. Hyena is guilty. I see the same telltale linguistic tics.

Are you referring to the Russian language?

[Creature]

49ers

I don't know that position.

Fortnite

[Creature]

I'll probably already move my vote:

[VOTE: Hyena] aubergine

[Creature]

Comment on it while you can

[Elephant]

I really wanted to have a fun game here and being insulted and tunneled doesn't really jive with that so I'm gonna just post gifs and be cheerleader til the wheels fall off. If you accuse me for the foreseeable future I will reply with wet fart noises.

The farts were boring because they were not your own.

Think I figured out how to vote, guessing it’s thay poll. That’s kinda janky but I can get with it.

I RNGed 5 so I voted dom because he’s 5th down. #ElliStyleReadsAreRandom

Nanook creates the impression that he is by himself with his emphasis on being "self sufficient": he figured out the poll, but not the vote tags, and by this we see that he did not have help, and therefore presumably no access to scum chat. But the vote tags are really the most obvious part of voting, since players have been using them in the thread, and it's apparent how they work if you quote someone. As a townclear, it feels forced.
I am surprised that Nanook has voted me before I even posted this.

Yawn, already feeling depressed

Have a beer.

I don't have any.

Fates worse than death.

Talk to me about Hyena.

I don't remember if I had previously stated a read on them, but they're NAGL rn

I don't know what that means. I'm old.

NAGL = Not a Good Look

And hell, might as well do this, he's been pinging me for a bit after all~

[VOTE: Hyena] aubergine

What exactly pinged you about Hyena, [mention]Pawn Lelouch[/mention] ?

i already think radishes is town, if he's the one who gave that read

esp if benson is town, from the way radishes kinda reinforced the townread of benson when i was starting to doubt it

no reason to stop me from turning on benson at all if radishes scum benson town

Before my dishonestly infects too many thoughts I should confess that I don't have a hard scum read on 112 or anything like that. But I'm suspicious and paranoid because she really hasn't' delivered the insight I expect so far.

i find this post very towny so yea benson stays in my towncircle probs

I don't like this.

@Benson you are scum right? Popping in and out to share your two cents. You're hiding something bucko.

He's had a lot more interactive content than you so far tbh. Lots of juicy meaty meta discussion between him and 112 and Radish. One of those three is probably scum, maybe him, but lack of content is not a valid reason to suspect him.

Your "one of these three" conditional is interesting, can you support it? Since I believe that Master Radishes is aligned with Benson, and likely to be town, should I investigate 112? Your 1804 reads list these three as town. Can you recall why you reconsidered?

Looked at the ISO: 112 has way too few hot-takes/60. That's a lynching imo

I'm intrigued by how much you two have been at each other's throats. Both of you have said things to the effect of "we can spot each other when we're both town" and the opposite of that has happened, which makes me think one of you is likely bad. I have leaned 112 based on some prior reasons and because I saw her as a deepwolf in wc1 whereas I'm unfamiliar with you.

This looks like a partial answer to my question above.

in fact im just gonna leave my vote there and afk the rest of the day

[VOTE: evenstar] aubergine

You have promised apathy before, but not delivered on it.

full disclosure i think eva is town but i kinda wanna just pl her on my perception that she keeps tunneling town (me, mac, hyena) and is going to continue to do so and form stubborn uncompromising reads that i disagree with etc

probably wont end up staying on this vote but theres no good wagons yet

eh maybe i sit on 112 for now

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

I confused about what you're saying here

PL stands for policy lynch

as in I'll lynch a townread because I dislike what they're doing to the gamestate and they keep tunneling my townreads

"I'll lynch a townread" does not bode well. Have you observed Evenstar tunneling as town before?

still dont trust nutella, all things considered, after a bong rip

I agree that nutella is a puzzle piece that deserves to be placed next to Radishes, Benson, 112, and iaafr. Her shade is currently town to me.

most of nutellas posts are just limp and the strong ones stand out as too confident for no reason

i dont see a town undercurrent

I see it, and I wonder how you missed it.

So story time.

Once upon a time, I was The Syndicate Mafia Universe representative.

I called out a member of the mafia for using quite the same language Hyena has been using. The name was EngagedEnglish or EnglishEngine or something like that. I nailed him simply because of his words.

I backed off because he was a stranger to me, and I doubted myself. I was killed and the mafia won.

I'm not doing that again. Hyena is guilty. I see the same telltale linguistic tics.

@Epignosis , could you please elaborate? I would like a detailed assessment, because then I can check the Mafia Universe Championship Wildcard game 1 for the occurrence of the same tics. Since Hyena played as town there, this should substantiate or disprove your case.
(1626 has nutella asking the same, I like that. But Epignosis refused to answer.)

I do think nutella is town though. Maybe she is and Evenstar is just a genius?

its hard to think of evenstar as a genius while being tunneled incorrectly by her

also why do you think nutella is town

I haven't really seen any reason to scum read her. She has been here a lot, sharing her thoughts... She and I have seen a few things the same way. I feel like I have a pretty good Nutella radar. Prone to tinfoil and tunnelling but generally quite good.

Something to remember is by a someone pushing you doesn't mean they are always a wolf they could just have a what they feel is a case or train of thought towards you with it.

If you think someone is making a case against you as town when they are town you should keep that read of them and push thought why what you said is A towny and B why they are/could be a town for pushing said case

I'm not sure why you are quoting me here?

Case i say the previous message this set about it as i made my post as i enter in here and didn't wanna mess around with trying to remove your part so figured it was easier and more convenient then messing a bunch of stuff up

I..... what. Is this English?

Witness Trustworthy Liberal roleplay the subconscious aspect of confusion.