Inception [END]

[Jackofhearts2005]

Is Benson still looking for Elephant seeds or what?

https://www.bcseeds.com/product/elephant-bud/

Okay thanks.

[Epignosis]

i actually do think epignosis is scum now and i keep mindmelding with 112

112 is locktwon forever

and i trust 112 m

[VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

How can you "mindmeld" over something that isn't true?

Well, I guess that's how cults are formed. Never mind.

[Benson]

Master Radishes has poor thread presence this day

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I think if we try hard enough we can make this a 6 way tie.

Who would you suggest for falling within that group?

No low posters. (e.g. Rej, Nova, DFar, etc.) I want to see people voting on people who have been active.

Note for future: if hyena is scum, very likely a partner in the low posters.

Frankly like 1/5 of the game is low posters. And with a game this size there is almost a guarantee that one of them is.

I'd almost bet two low posters are with a scum Hyena. My only hesitation there is that he could be purposefully baiting for this as scum.

Idk if he’s scum or not but yeah if he is I’d say partners in the low posters.

But let’s focus on getting drago dead first.

[Pawn Lelouch]

I think if we try hard enough we can make this a 6 way tie.

Who would you suggest for falling within that group?

No low posters. (e.g. Rej, Nova, DFar, etc.) I want to see people voting on people who have been active.

Note for future: if hyena is scum, very likely a partner in the low posters.

Frankly like 1/5 of the game is low posters. And with a game this size there is almost a guarantee that one of them is.

I'd almost bet two low posters are with a scum Hyena. My only hesitation there is that he could be purposefully baiting for this as scum.

You're that sure Hyena's scum? How much do you know him outside this game?

I'm not sure, since I've slowly warmed to null -. This was more a thought of what I'd do as scum, try and create false associative and stir up wine in case I ever flip.

And seen his play in WC1 and his qualifier game. That's about it really.

[Epignosis]

wagonomics/gut says creature and vanity are the wrongtowns on my wagon and epi is the wolf looking to either capitalize or safely sit on a wagon that won't really manifest.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Tough crowd.

More just questioning putting Nancy Pelosi in there considering the age gap with everyone else there.

I don’t remember where I saw it but there was a really funny copy pasta about a guy seducing Nancy Pelosi and her wanting to be told far left policy positions or factoids during sex. Plus, I’ve gotten more tribalistic in this environment. There are two more reasons but we’re not that close.

[juliets]

I just went back and looked at Dragomir and though I saw him as town early in the game, he has as others have said completely disappeared. The last time he posted was yesterday morning. I'm also not wild about his vote sitting on Mac (same for LC but he has at least been around the last day).

[mention]iaafr[/mention] I know you have been pointing at Drago for while now, what else are you seeing about him that causes you to read him scum? Anyone else voting Drago please chime in.

[Texas Cloverleaf]

Tough crowd.

I thought it was funny dw

[iaafr]

Master Radishes has poor thread presence this day

yeah nuts sus on radishes yesterday made me start rethinking him

maybe theres something there idk

[Benson]

I asked this before but does anyone from this forum know if Drago has the propensity to slank like this as wolf?

[Hyena]

@Trustworthy Liberal
You should place a vote. :P

That goes for @DFaraday , @novaselinenever , and @Rej, too, even though they haven't been active.

Hyena if you remember i am very reluctent to vote every since it got me killed in my first forum game thats why am ready the Dragomir person first

I remember, and I understand. Take your time, but also, don't wait until the last moment to vote. That's all I ask. :P

[Jackofhearts2005]

I asked this before but does anyone from this forum know if Drago has the propensity to slank like this as wolf?

Idk.

Drago is always town and Rej is always a wolf and Drago always catches him.

We’re in uncharted territory here.

[Pawn Lelouch]

Tough crowd.

More just questioning putting Nancy Pelosi in there considering the age gap with everyone else there.

I don’t remember where I saw it but there was a really funny copy pasta about a guy seducing Nancy Pelosi and her wanting to be told far left policy positions or factoids during sex. Plus, I’ve gotten more tribalistic in this environment. There are two more reasons but we’re not that close.

Okay yeah, I can respect that reasoning.

[Benson]

I asked this before but does anyone from this forum know if Drago has the propensity to slank like this as wolf?

Idk.

Drago is always town and Rej is always a wolf and Drago always catches him.

We’re in uncharted territory here.

How do you know that scenario isn't the case and Drago just hasn't seen enough to catch him yet?

[nutella]

I asked this before but does anyone from this forum know if Drago has the propensity to slank like this as wolf?

He definitely freaked and tried to defend a lot more when I tried to lynch him last game and he was town. Could be he's busy irl but I expect more from him as town for sure.

[Benson]

Gonna put on my Elephant trunk for a sec and say I notice Juliets' vote is still on TSP even though she said she'd move it.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hm ok I actually think hyena is >rand town now

[Epignosis]

To answer Elephant's question: "why did you really select Hyena to be your first push?"

He was there at the same time I was. And to be clear, it wasn't a push. It was my first suspicion. It is now a suspicion that lingers in the back of my mind for now.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I asked this before but does anyone from this forum know if Drago has the propensity to slank like this as wolf?

Idk.

Drago is always town and Rej is always a wolf and Drago always catches him.

We’re in uncharted territory here.

How do you know that scenario isn't the case and Drago just hasn't seen enough to catch him yet?

I guess I don’t.

Kirby is probably the most memorable Drago town game without scum Rej. He was pretty quiet but basically won the game singlehandedly for the townies in lylo.

[novaselinenever]

wait is this one of those tricks the hosts are playing on us?? is this one of the ~~*unorthodox*~~ elements? is nova a plant?!

Btw anyone think I was onto something here?? He popped in once and dropped assertions that sprit and epi are bad with no explanation. Are we bring incepted? @novaselinenever are you the inceptor???

Whaaaaat?

[novaselinenever]

@Trustworthy Liberal
You should place a vote. :P

That goes for @DFaraday , @novaselinenever , and @Rej, too, even though they haven't been active.

Who should I vote for you reckon?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Holy shit I thought you were an urban legend!

[nutella]

Like I said earlier, I usually find Drago as a pretty strong townread early on when he's town (even when I mislynched him I had been townreading him for the first few days) and I haven't gotten that feeling at all here so my gut says he's likely scum.

[juliets]

Gonna put on my Elephant trunk for a sec and say I notice Juliets' vote is still on TSP even though she said she'd move it.

I will move to Drago to get it off of Tony but I'm still researching Drago and may need to move it again.

[nutella]

wait is this one of those tricks the hosts are playing on us?? is this one of the ~~*unorthodox*~~ elements? is nova a plant?!

Btw anyone think I was onto something here?? He popped in once and dropped assertions that sprit and epi are bad with no explanation. Are we bring incepted? @novaselinenever are you the inceptor???

Whaaaaat?

Lol hi

[juliets]

Like I said earlier, I usually find Drago as a pretty strong townread early on when he's town (even when I mislynched him I had been townreading him for the first few days) and I haven't gotten that feeling at all here so my gut says he's likely scum.

Thanks nutella, I missed when you said that.

[boo]

Hey everyone, I haven't had time to get remotely caught up yet, so just going with [VOTE: no lynch] aubergine for today. Will get caught up this evening and write some thoughts up tomorrow some time hopefully.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hey everyone, I haven't had time to get remotely caught up yet, so just going with [VOTE: no lynch] aubergine for today. Will get caught up this evening and write some thoughts up tomorrow some time hopefully.

Wait are you in this game?

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Okay just finshed Dragomir's ISO don't see multy quotes so heres my thoughts on him

-Seemed to go alittle far with evenstar (not alignment indicative)
-Made a case on 112 based off characters claims saying that a town wouldn't play that way but the case became empty due to random characters
-Not a lot of depth short anwsers threw shade on Mac leaving his vote there before leaving
-hasn't posted in thread since early yesterday morning (my time atleast)

Don't think this is enough to call him 100% scum but i don't think he has been pushing a town presence would love if he could come back and post a little. I know this is ironic coming from me but atleast am here now.


Conclusion
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Scum lean on him based off what he did push when he was fairly active so willing to lynch this today, him missing for a long period doesn't make him look any better either.

(someone tell me the command for voting i didn't see it when i looked sorry for being a bother)

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Alrighty guys I have to focus on work now.

Thank you so much for pushing drago with me, please finish the push and bring it home, I believe in you, etc. etc.

[Pawn Lelouch]

Hey everyone, I haven't had time to get remotely caught up yet, so just going with [VOTE: no lynch] aubergine for today. Will get caught up this evening and write some thoughts up tomorrow some time hopefully.

Wait are you in this game?

Subbed in for Spiny, remember?

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Hey everyone, I haven't had time to get remotely caught up yet, so just going with [VOTE: no lynch] aubergine for today. Will get caught up this evening and write some thoughts up tomorrow some time hopefully.

Wait are you in this game?

Replacement saw it on page 1

for Spiny i think

[Pawn Lelouch]

Okay just finshed Dragomir's ISO don't see multy quotes so heres my thoughts on him

-Seemed to go alittle far with evenstar (not alignment indicative)
-Made a case on 112 based off characters claims saying that a town wouldn't play that way but the case became empty due to random characters
-Not a lot of depth short anwsers threw shade on Mac leaving his vote there before leaving
-hasn't posted in thread since early yesterday morning (my time atleast)

Don't think this is enough to call him 100% scum but i don't think he has been pushing a town presence would love if he could come back and post a little. I know this is ironic coming from me but atleast am here now.


Conclusion
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Scum lean on him based off what he did push when he was fairly active so willing to lynch this today, him missing for a long period doesn't make him look any better either.

(someone tell me the command for voting i didn't see it when i looked sorry for being a bother)

Go to the editor section when you're writing a post. There should be a button that says vote. Click it and then type the name within the brackets.

Then make sure to vote that person in the poll as well.

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Found it

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

Another Monica Gif

Spoiler: show

[MacDougall]

list of potential somewhat deepwolves i dont trust who fit together somewhat:

pawn/epignosis/hyena

I feel this

[Master Radishes]

Master Radishes has poor thread presence this day

I know you're town because you're intent on sussing me even though you have to stretch to justify it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hope that gif wasn’t a spoiler.

[Elephant]

[big snip]
Post 5: Conversations with Juliets. This is where I think he's definitely planting the seeds. He's going about it in the nicest way possibly, but he's quietly tearing apart Juliet's ISO on TSP and her follow up to said ISO. I suppose in retrospect this could be some tactical scumhunting method from Elephant.

Spoiler: show

Hi Elephant!

I'm reading through your posts right now, and mind-melded with you on one of them.

I don't feel like I've done anything scummy but both Dom and Epi feel like my ISO on Tony was OOC in that I am not usually that accusatory. I have to believe them because I've played with both for a long, long time. You'll see my responses to them in my ISO.

TSP who I have played one game with and I was bad says I remind him of that game but he admits thats a weak meta read.

I have a question for you too - why does 112 find you scummy?

I believe the questions you put to Tony in your ISO of him were worth asking. When I read a player, I try to determine their intentions: why did they write that? Would they have written that as town? as scum? The motivations for the points you observed were unclear, so it was good to ask about them. Tony answered you 25 minutes later, here. My impression is that he gives fairly townish motivations for the posts that pinged you. I did not see a reaction to Tony's reply in your ISO. Why did you not comment on his answer?

I was embarrassed that I had viewed several of his posts as serious when they were really jokes so I didn't feel like there was a lot for me to say to him. I should have responded though, it's rude not to acknowledge that he took the time to answer. I'll go back and take another look at his reply when I'm finished with my group.

I can certainly empathize with your feeling of embarrassment: you felt you were being more accusatory than you were comfortable with, and had been deflated. With a proper "accusatory" mindset, you would have realized that your questions were justified, and kept questioning some of the answers without embarrassment.
I see that you did not unvote Tony, and are still voting him. Why did you still scumread him after this answer?
You had been accused of being unusally accusatory; did that play a role in your decision not to double down?

I will re-visit that Tony vote today when I re-visit his reply to me. By double down do you mean did the accusatory accusations cause me to not say "I see your answers but still think you are scum"?

Also, have you read Eva yet? I just read her and my head is spinning. I'd appreciate your opinion if you have one at this point.

I've got to take a break and get ready for an appointment I have.

Please don't understand this as me giving you advice, I'm certain you don't need any help playing mafia. My thought is that some of Tony's answers can be questioned. For example, you accused him of hiding four reads in a "summary". Tony answered, "It’s literally just a joke summary for Michelle". It still has four reads in it that are getting passed of as a joke, so you could go and look at the page in question: would a bona fide "joke summary" characterize these players for their alignment, in the same way that "Elephant: elephant" characterizes my contributions? If you can see that, his answer is valid; if you can't see it, it might not be, and deserves further questioning.
I do hope for an explanation why Tony's answers satisfy you, but you still read him as mafia. I'm happy to hear you'll be re-visiting Tony and provide that.

I am watching Evenstar from the gallery, so to speak. I consider myself unable to read her off her antics, and therefore I am content to sit back and enjoy the fireworks exploding around her. As a benefit, this attitude nicely avoids the "my head is spinning" sensation that you just experienced.

[/spoiler]

There's less substance to the whole thing than I had hoped but whatever. It's a gut suspicion anyways.

"he's quietly tearing apart Juliet's ISO on TSP" -- "I believe the questions you put to Tony in your ISO of him were worth asking." & "The motivations for the points you observed were unclear, so it was good to ask about them."
"he's quietly tearing apart ... her follow up to said ISO." -- there was no follow-up. Not following through on lines of questioning is a scum tell for me. I accepted Juliet's explanation for her lack of follow-up, because it was consistent with the mindset she explained she had. This means nobody can use "Juliets did not follow through on that ISO" as a "mislynch seed", because Juliet explained it, and she explained it because I asked her.

I cut the other items because we had already discussed most, and I have nothing new to add.

I do disagree with you on the utility of naked pressure votes. I feel they do much less than a reasoned vote, and scum can hide behind them precisely because townies also use them. But I don't think anyone can set up a mislynch with an argument of "uses naked pressure votes", precisely because many (most?) players don't see them as scummy.

[MacDougall]

I kinda wanna lynch Epi now. He has his usual hubris with little of the backup and I think him talking about how certain people shouldn't be day 1 lynches is his way of fucking with our minds into putting him into that category.

[Pawn Lelouch]

Hope that gif wasn’t a spoiler.

Small bit. Just don't watch them tbh. Easy way to avoid spoilers.

[MacDougall]

And thus the triad is broken and I can freely place my vote. Out of TL, Michelle, and Drago, Drago is by far the scummiest imo.

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

Thank you, thank you.

[Hyena]

Hey [mention]boo[/mention] can you do me a huuuuge favor?

I know you haven't read much of any of the game, but I'd appreciate it if you voted 112 to help me tie them up with Drago. If you don't feel comfortable doing that, that's fine. Just let me know.

[Benson]

Master Radishes has poor thread presence this day

I know you're town because you're intent on sussing me even though you have to stretch to justify it.

You always say stuff like this when you're a wolf and I'm town.

[Hyena]

And thus the triad is broken and I can freely place my vote. Out of TL, Michelle, and Drago, Drago is by far the scummiest imo.

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

Thank you, thank you.

;D

[MacDougall]

Wait I’m getting my way? Yippee!

This is creepy

[Hyena]

list of potential somewhat deepwolves i dont trust who fit together somewhat:

pawn/epignosis/hyena

I feel this

Are we gonna banter now? :P

[juliets]

oh I forgot

[VOTE: Dragonmir] aubergine

[Texas Cloverleaf]

How long is it until deadline

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Subconscious Phase 1 ends when the poll expires at 6:00 PM EST. This is in approximately 44 minutes.