Inception [Inception Phase 4]

[ColinIsCool]

[10] Dragomir - Benson, nutella, vanity., Long Con, Master Radishes, Hyena, Trustworthy Liberal, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Pawn Lelouch, juliets
[7] 112 - Creature, Evenstar, TonyStarkPrime, novaselinenever, Elephant, Epignosis, Jackofhearts2005
[3] Evenstar - Texas Cloverleaf, sprityo, Quin
[2] Hyena - Dom, Michelle
[2] No Lynch - iaafr, boo
[1] Epignosis - MacDougall
[1] MacDougall - Dragomir
[1] nutella - Lady LambdaDelta
[1] Trustworthy Liberal - 112
No Vote: ColinIsCool, [Player #30 who im not gonna look up]

And if I just toss in my strong reads from D1 in two more colors...

[10] Dragomir - Benson, nutella, vanity., Long Con, Master Radishes, Hyena, Trustworthy Liberal, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Pawn Lelouch, juliets
[7] 112 - Creature, Evenstar, TonyStarkPrime, novaselinenever, Elephant, Epignosis, Jackofhearts2005
[3] Evenstar - Texas Cloverleaf, sprityo, Quin
[2] Hyena - Dom, Michelle
[2] No Lynch - iaafr, boo
[1] Epignosis - MacDougall
[1] MacDougall - Dragomir
[1] nutella - Lady LambdaDelta
[1] Trustworthy Liberal - 112
No Vote: ColinIsCool, [Player #30 who im not gonna look up]

... yeah, I like these reads.

Pardon me but what the fuck does this mean

same kind of two-color readslist Sprityo did, just with pink/dark blue for scum/town reads from Day 1
the wagon formation here looks good to me

Ok. What’s light blue?

[ColinIsCool]

investigatives can't claim in this setup!!!!! the biggest potential payoff of a godfather is a single slot hard defending for no apparent reason!!!

Syndicate regulars are very good about using their investigative roles to get mafia lynched even with no claiming. It's ingrained in our systems.

@MacDougall Confirm or deny?

Not Mac but I can confirm. Lots of tricky folks in these parts and the cop often leaves posts that are meant to make a lot more sense if they die so we know they’re the cop.

[Jackofhearts2005]

they lacked the qualities of a townsperson boom gotem #cased

[Jackofhearts2005]

investigatives can't claim in this setup!!!!! the biggest potential payoff of a godfather is a single slot hard defending for no apparent reason!!!

Syndicate regulars are very good about using their investigative roles to get mafia lynched even with no claiming. It's ingrained in our systems.

Lol except for me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

im actually going to just confidently assume im completely correct on the entire game until a flip proves me wrong

Tbf my hard bottom two are syndicate members so I have no issue with lynching in that area till we get proven wrong.

current bottom 3? because my memorys bad today

Nova + Dom bottom 2. Third is a 3 way tie between Rej replacement, LLD, and Sprit.

I think you forgot DF.

Why are these players scummy?

[Evenstar]

[10] Dragomir - Benson, nutella, vanity., Long Con, Master Radishes, Hyena, Trustworthy Liberal, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Pawn Lelouch, juliets
[7] 112 - Creature, Evenstar, TonyStarkPrime, novaselinenever, Elephant, Epignosis, Jackofhearts2005
[3] Evenstar - Texas Cloverleaf, sprityo, Quin
[2] Hyena - Dom, Michelle
[2] No Lynch - iaafr, boo
[1] Epignosis - MacDougall
[1] MacDougall - Dragomir
[1] nutella - Lady LambdaDelta
[1] Trustworthy Liberal - 112
No Vote: ColinIsCool, [Player #30 who im not gonna look up]

And if I just toss in my strong reads from D1 in two more colors...

[10] Dragomir - Benson, nutella, vanity., Long Con, Master Radishes, Hyena, Trustworthy Liberal, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Pawn Lelouch, juliets
[7] 112 - Creature, Evenstar, TonyStarkPrime, novaselinenever, Elephant, Epignosis, Jackofhearts2005
[3] Evenstar - Texas Cloverleaf, sprityo, Quin
[2] Hyena - Dom, Michelle
[2] No Lynch - iaafr, boo
[1] Epignosis - MacDougall
[1] MacDougall - Dragomir
[1] nutella - Lady LambdaDelta
[1] Trustworthy Liberal - 112
No Vote: ColinIsCool, [Player #30 who im not gonna look up]

... yeah, I like these reads.

Pardon me but what the fuck does this mean

same kind of two-color readslist Sprityo did, just with pink/dark blue for scum/town reads from Day 1
the wagon formation here looks good to me

Ok. What’s light blue?

town from today
orange is scum from today

[Evenstar]

investigatives can't claim in this setup!!!!! the biggest potential payoff of a godfather is a single slot hard defending for no apparent reason!!!

Syndicate regulars are very good about using their investigative roles to get mafia lynched even with no claiming. It's ingrained in our systems.

@MacDougall Confirm or deny?

Not Mac but I can confirm. Lots of tricky folks in these parts and the cop often leaves posts that are meant to make a lot more sense if they die so we know they’re the cop.

oh wait this kind of extensive breadcrumbing is kosher?

[ColinIsCool]

investigatives can't claim in this setup!!!!! the biggest potential payoff of a godfather is a single slot hard defending for no apparent reason!!!

Syndicate regulars are very good about using their investigative roles to get mafia lynched even with no claiming. It's ingrained in our systems.

@MacDougall Confirm or deny?

Not Mac but I can confirm. Lots of tricky folks in these parts and the cop often leaves posts that are meant to make a lot more sense if they die so we know they’re the cop.

oh wait this kind of extensive breadcrumbing is kosher?

Within the parameters of the rules, sure.

[Evenstar]

investigatives can't claim in this setup!!!!! the biggest potential payoff of a godfather is a single slot hard defending for no apparent reason!!!

Syndicate regulars are very good about using their investigative roles to get mafia lynched even with no claiming. It's ingrained in our systems.

@MacDougall Confirm or deny?

Not Mac but I can confirm. Lots of tricky folks in these parts and the cop often leaves posts that are meant to make a lot more sense if they die so we know they’re the cop.

oh wait this kind of extensive breadcrumbing is kosher?

Within the parameters of the rules, sure.

????

sorry I just don't have the intuitive feel for this 'cause I've never played here before

can you, like, give examples of legit crumbs?

[Jackofhearts2005]

112 town because guest 1

Dom scum because regular 1

Epignosis scum because regular 2

Evenstar town because guest 2

iaafr town because guest 3

Jackofhearts2005 scum because regular 3

Lady LambdaDelta town because guest 4

MacDougall scum because regular 4

Master Radishes town because guest 5

Michelle town because guest 6

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME town because guest 7

novaselinenever scum because regular 5

Pawn Lelouch town because guest 8

Quin scum because regular 6

Rej / ColinIsCool scum because regular 7

sprityo scum because regular 8

thats uhhhhhh 8-8?

4-4-8?

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]
[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

So are ya’ll gonna just call the game now or what?

[Jackofhearts2005]

does anybody wanna have a galaxy brain read contest?

What if your life is basically The Truman Show and we are all scum along with your “family,” “friends,” and everyone you’ve ever met.

[ColinIsCool]

investigatives can't claim in this setup!!!!! the biggest potential payoff of a godfather is a single slot hard defending for no apparent reason!!!

Syndicate regulars are very good about using their investigative roles to get mafia lynched even with no claiming. It's ingrained in our systems.

@MacDougall Confirm or deny?

Not Mac but I can confirm. Lots of tricky folks in these parts and the cop often leaves posts that are meant to make a lot more sense if they die so we know they’re the cop.

oh wait this kind of extensive breadcrumbing is kosher?

Within the parameters of the rules, sure.

????

sorry I just don't have the intuitive feel for this 'cause I've never played here before

can you, like, give examples of legit crumbs?

Offering reads (assuming they’re allowed) that the town can then discuss. In a game called Easter Mafia, Marmot made a point to interact with the people he investigated with a certain phrase so he could point to it later.

[Evenstar]

Syndicate regulars are very good about using their investigative roles to get mafia lynched even with no claiming. It's ingrained in our systems.

@MacDougall Confirm or deny?

Not Mac but I can confirm. Lots of tricky folks in these parts and the cop often leaves posts that are meant to make a lot more sense if they die so we know they’re the cop.

oh wait this kind of extensive breadcrumbing is kosher?

Within the parameters of the rules, sure.

????

sorry I just don't have the intuitive feel for this 'cause I've never played here before

can you, like, give examples of legit crumbs?

Offering reads (assuming they’re allowed) that the town can then discuss. In a game called Easter Mafia, Marmot made a point to interact with the people he investigated with a certain phrase so he could point to it later.

... so heavy tunnels with no clear reason are just habitually assumed to be mech-motivated?

hyena must be laughing his head off right now

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Michelle

612 and 615 should give you an idea of why I suspect Radishes.

This is not a real reason, this is "look at these posts I think they're bad." Point at actual specific things you thought were "dishonest."

612 is a Radish posts where he quotes a post of mine where I point out a specific thing that I think it dishonest it also provides context for MY post, 615, where I point out a specific thing that I think is dishonest.

Michelle: Tyt answering my question.
Jack: I already did right here.

i don't consider that an answer. You are avoiding my question. I don't really want to read Radishes with my question for you. I want to read you and see how you formed your oppinion. Because it's your alignament i need to solve while talking to you.
The fact you are so unaware about my reasons and you're beating around the bush is not good.

I’m sorry you don’t really want to read the posts where I answered your questions directly.

[Evenstar]

does anybody wanna have a galaxy brain read contest?

What if your life is basically The Truman Show and we are all scum along with your “family,” “friends,” and everyone you’ve ever met.

[mention]Coliniscool[/mention] is this guy scum or does he just always play like this
Mac says he always plays like this but I want a second opinion

[Jackofhearts2005]

@michelle are you 3p

nah.

This is exactly what a 3p would say.

[ColinIsCool]

... so heavy tunnels with no clear reason are just habitually assumed to be mech-motivated?

hyena must be laughing his head off right now

I didn’t say that.

The cop finds things out. They convey information as best as they can to guide the rest of the town, whether that be as a player or post-mortem.

That’s it.

[Evenstar]

... so heavy tunnels with no clear reason are just habitually assumed to be mech-motivated?

hyena must be laughing his head off right now

I didn’t say that.

The cop finds things out. They convey information as best as they can to guide the rest of the town, whether that be as a player or post-mortem.

That’s it.

dead people can't talk though? How did that easter mafia thing work if the guy could only point out the softs after the game was over?

[Jackofhearts2005]

112 town because guest 1

Dom scum because regular 1

Epignosis scum because regular 2

Evenstar town because guest 2

iaafr town because guest 3

Jackofhearts2005 scum because regular 3

Lady LambdaDelta town because guest 4

MacDougall scum because regular 4

Master Radishes town because guest 5

Michelle town because guest 6

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME town because guest 7

novaselinenever scum because regular 5

Pawn Lelouch town because guest 8

Quin scum because regular 6

Rej / ColinIsCool scum because regular 7

sprityo scum because regular 8

thats uhhhhhh 8-8?

4-4-8?

This will be the last time I acknowledge this theory as it is utterly ridiculous and doing nothing more than making a Us van Them mentality that we don’t need. Rather why don’t you go through individually and tell me why each person is scum and then I might consider it. Not a big fan of baseless accusations, in fact it’s a pet peeve of mine

Is this a bad time to point out all my scumreads are on guests?

[ColinIsCool]

... so heavy tunnels with no clear reason are just habitually assumed to be mech-motivated?

hyena must be laughing his head off right now

I didn’t say that.

The cop finds things out. They convey information as best as they can to guide the rest of the town, whether that be as a player or post-mortem.

That’s it.

dead people can't talk though? How did that easter mafia thing work if the guy could only point out the softs after the game was over?

There was claiming in that game actually but a clever user theoretically could have noticed because the phrase was so out there, something like “Wanna get rabbit soup?”

[Evenstar]

... so heavy tunnels with no clear reason are just habitually assumed to be mech-motivated?

hyena must be laughing his head off right now

I didn’t say that.

The cop finds things out. They convey information as best as they can to guide the rest of the town, whether that be as a player or post-mortem.

That’s it.

dead people can't talk though? How did that easter mafia thing work if the guy could only point out the softs after the game was over?

There was claiming in that game actually but a clever user theoretically could have noticed because the phrase was so out there, something like “Wanna get rabbit soup?”

That's pretty cheeky, honestly. I like it.

[Evenstar]

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention]
Can I get your opinions of Jack, Nova and Epi?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I honestly think the line between “claiming” and “legal breadcrumbs” is reeeeeal blurry. I probably stepped right over it in ASOUE and when I copped a wolf with 3 posts in...MK?, I wasn’t able to put forth a believable case on him.

Day anticlaim and/or all claiming allowed with hidden setup and safeclaims really eliminates that blur and I prefer it, especially when I actually rand cop or whatever.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]iaafr[/mention]

Remind me why you think individual Syndicate players besides Epi look scummy?

Like you, Pawn, 112 and Radishes have all expressed that your suspicions mostly lie on Syndicate regulars.

I don’t have any Syndicate regulars in my scumpool. What am I missing?

[Evenstar]

investigatives can't claim in this setup!!!!! the biggest potential payoff of a godfather is a single slot hard defending for no apparent reason!!!

Oh, really? Hm. Yeah that’s fair then.

pls spell out why you thought godfather was important role before

Because the Godfather role typically has big protections that other scum don’t — protections that enable them to survive longer. Fooling cops is one but there are often more like being unkillable to some extent. I guess I don’t know if there was more to it than that but I have been assuming there had been, which would make them valuable, which would make them unlikely to be the last-minute-lynch-pile target from teammates.

... So Colin, what are you doing here?

[ColinIsCool]

@ColinIsCool
Can I get your opinions of Jack, Nova and Epi?

Jack I have never ever been able to read and I certainly won’t start now. He’s a weird mix of helpful and chaotic.

Nova in my scumpile alongside LDL (saw some good by Epi maybe calling them out) and I guess Quin but not really cause he’s not even here and idk.

Epi in my townpile with Mac and Radishes.

[ColinIsCool]

investigatives can't claim in this setup!!!!! the biggest potential payoff of a godfather is a single slot hard defending for no apparent reason!!!

Oh, really? Hm. Yeah that’s fair then.

pls spell out why you thought godfather was important role before

Because the Godfather role typically has big protections that other scum don’t — protections that enable them to survive longer. Fooling cops is one but there are often more like being unkillable to some extent. I guess I don’t know if there was more to it than that but I have been assuming there had been, which would make them valuable, which would make them unlikely to be the last-minute-lynch-pile target from teammates.

... So Colin, what are you doing here?

Answering a question.

[ColinIsCool]

Actually whoever keeps pushing the “all Syndicate members are scum” theory can be in my scumpile because, c’mon, really

[Evenstar]

@ColinIsCool
Can I get your opinions of Jack, Nova and Epi?

Jack I have never ever been able to read and I certainly won’t start now. He’s a weird mix of helpful and chaotic.

Nova in my scumpile alongside LDL (saw some good by Epi maybe calling them out) and I guess Quin but not really cause he’s not even here and idk.

Epi in my townpile with Mac and Radishes.

Speaking of LLD, do you think her annoyance with the game is genuine? I personally was really ticked about the new ruleset, but now that I'm actually playing with it I'm starting to warm up to it a bit.

[Michelle]

@michelle are you 3p

nah.

This is exactly what a 3p would say.

nah

[Jackofhearts2005]

@michelle are you 3p

nah.

This is exactly what a 3p would say.

nah

She said it again!

[Michelle]

@Michelle

612 and 615 should give you an idea of why I suspect Radishes.

This is not a real reason, this is "look at these posts I think they're bad." Point at actual specific things you thought were "dishonest."

612 is a Radish posts where he quotes a post of mine where I point out a specific thing that I think it dishonest it also provides context for MY post, 615, where I point out a specific thing that I think is dishonest.

Michelle: Tyt answering my question.
Jack: I already did right here.

i don't consider that an answer. You are avoiding my question. I don't really want to read Radishes with my question for you. I want to read you and see how you formed your oppinion. Because it's your alignament i need to solve while talking to you.
The fact you are so unaware about my reasons and you're beating around the bush is not good.

I’m sorry you don’t really want to read the posts where I answered your questions directly.

do you mind to requote that post?

[Michelle]

@michelle are you 3p

nah.

This is exactly what a 3p would say.

nah

She said it again!

You can't read me it's official. Let's see if I can red you

[Michelle]

@iaafr

Remind me why you think individual Syndicate players besides Epi look scummy?

Like you, Pawn, 112 and Radishes have all expressed that your suspicions mostly lie on Syndicate regulars.

I don’t have any Syndicate regulars in my scumpool. What am I missing?

the mirror?

[Michelle]

@michelle are you 3p

nah.

This is exactly what a 3p would say.

nah

She said it again!

You can't read me it's official. Let's see if I can read you

ebwop

android wants to red you i search reasons to TR you. Maybe android wants to play too

[Jackofhearts2005]

@michelle are you 3p

nah.

This is exactly what a 3p would say.

nah

She said it again!

You can't read me it's official. Let's see if I can red you

I’m aware. You can’t. It’s a problem.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don’t really think you’re 3p for the record. I was jokingly going along with the whole “Syndicate regulars are all scum” thing.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]Michelle[/mention] lol okay. Here is why I scumread Radishes.

Spoiler: show

... man, I really wonder what chaos is currently occurring in the other thread

The majority of players just vanished
Did someone die? Multiple someones? Were we announced as having moved or did we just vanish with no explanation?

Are there scum there? Are there scum here? Probably there are scum in both places, but idek what the point of... oh, duh, the voting rules and the power thing, those are relevant. Ok. And the scum are Leo and Co, so... they have to progress through the levels somehow? Did they set this up? Probably there's some limitation on what they can do...

Yeah I got nothing. I super want to see how this shit works behind the scenes.

Given that multiple levels exist and there were three in the movie, I think we can bet that this'll happen again tonight - some of us will move to a new thread, some of us will [whatever happened to the other 13 players]

is there even another thread

there is super probably another thread

that or we're on a ridiculous clock and half of us are dead, but I don't think the GM would do that to us

This is stupid and I should table it for now, I'm just making myself paranoid because "what if we're in here with an 8-man scum team", which... yeah lol not happening

Stop doing that thing where you sow chaos please. There's no evidence of another thread, there's certainly no 8-person scum team in here, there certainly are some scum in here, and anyway it doesn't matter because we have a game to play.

You think Jay invited a bunch of new players for a 30 player game and then killed like 10+ players with no flips on N1?

It’s a reasonable assumption.

Baseless accusation.

The underlined was poorly worded. I didn't mean to state outright I believed the other players didn't have another thread - I think that makes sense - but I meant it had no bearing on us, here, now.

But Evenstar was wildly speculating in a way that did not help solve the game, only monger doubt. I know she has a rep for chaos-posting regardless of alignment, but this was not a great post from town!Eva either.

Smear campaign.

got it thanks.
thoughts on Radishes?

His pushes on Epi and Eva seem dishonest to me.

Like about as dishonest as ifaar and 112.

What does 'dishonest' even mean here? You may disagree, but my rationale was clearly laid out.

Smear campaign.

Epi, Eva, Jack, Nova

^contains scum, maybe even more than one

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Why? I townread everyone in this pile except Nova, who I don’t really have a read on.

That's based on who voted against Drago and who is in this group. I hesitate to be more specific about which ones I'm leaning more towards.

So level one. Cool cool.

Yeah, sure, 'level one' if you want to call it that. Why are you assuming we need to go to level gazillion to solve this game? 'Level one' is just a condescending way of dismissing what I might term a 'tried and true' method.

Smear campaign.

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Jack, this is the most intensity you've shown all game, after floating through D1 with little impact on the evolving discussion of that round, beyond a brief foray into the nutella/Eva dichotomy. Nagl 4 u, imo.

“Poorly worded” implication that Eva was “chaos posting” and therefore scum. Talk about a smear campaign.

We’ve gone over your post on Eva. I didn’t like your post(s) on Epi where he did long interactive isos and came to some sort of conclusion about the alignment of each player. I think they make Epi look really good and since the D1 thread is now gone, those posts are basically allowing me to develop reads on players I paid no attention to D1 or who posted in the 10 or so pages I missed.

Here’s what you have to say about it though.

Damn, I'm seeing why Epi has a rep

this is good casework

I can't remember him actually doing this before lol

How do you feel about an scum!Epignosis world?

He's burying the thread in mountains of quotes and if you actually read some of his thoughts on them they're lacking.

I also wasn't a fan of his EoD voting behaviour - he was a counter-wagon for awhile (rather than 112) but never voted for Drago even for self-preservation.

Talk about a smear campaign.

I called your reads level 1 because you admitted they’re basically pure wagonomics and there’s nothing more to say about them. I don’t take it back.

[Evenstar]

[mention]Michelle[/mention], what's your opinion regarding the value of a godfather? If you're working on the theory that Dragomir was bussed, does that mean 112 is scum? I don't get your world right now and I want to examine it more closely.

[Michelle]

I don’t really think you’re 3p for the record. I was jokingly going along with the whole “Syndicate regulars are all scum” thing.

were are my quote/s? I
I was taking a nap, the sun made my house warm and lighty and i fell asleep 2 hours ago.
woke up recently and i will search them later if you are lazy

[Michelle]

thanks Jack that's sweet from you

[Evenstar]

thanks Jack that's sweet from you

by the way nice avatar

Musashi from Vagabond, yeah?

[ColinIsCool]

@ColinIsCool
Can I get your opinions of Jack, Nova and Epi?

Jack I have never ever been able to read and I certainly won’t start now. He’s a weird mix of helpful and chaotic.

Nova in my scumpile alongside LDL (saw some good by Epi maybe calling them out) and I guess Quin but not really cause he’s not even here and idk.

Epi in my townpile with Mac and Radishes.

Speaking of LLD, do you think her annoyance with the game is genuine? I personally was really ticked about the new ruleset, but now that I'm actually playing with it I'm starting to warm up to it a bit.

It seemed genuine in the moment as I read but stepping back a little — and framed the way Epi framed it — it felt a bit over-the-top. Like if you’re actually mad I’d think you’d just walk away for a while.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If I squinted, I could see Michelle and Eva as scum for getting mad at me about my Radish posts without actually reading them and go all in an exact opposite galaxy brain read from Rabbit’s.

[Evenstar]

@ColinIsCool
Can I get your opinions of Jack, Nova and Epi?

Jack I have never ever been able to read and I certainly won’t start now. He’s a weird mix of helpful and chaotic.

Nova in my scumpile alongside LDL (saw some good by Epi maybe calling them out) and I guess Quin but not really cause he’s not even here and idk.

Epi in my townpile with Mac and Radishes.

Speaking of LLD, do you think her annoyance with the game is genuine? I personally was really ticked about the new ruleset, but now that I'm actually playing with it I'm starting to warm up to it a bit.

It seemed genuine in the moment as I read but stepping back a little — and framed the way Epi framed it — it felt a bit over-the-top. Like if you’re actually mad I’d think you’d just walk away for a while.

Hmmm.

[Evenstar]

If I squinted, I could see Michelle and Eva as scum for getting mad at me about my Radish posts without actually reading them and go all in an exact opposite galaxy brain read from Rabbit’s.

[Evenstar]

If I squinted, I could see Michelle and Eva as scum for getting mad at me about my Radish posts without actually reading them and go all in an exact opposite galaxy brain read from Rabbit’s.

Isn't Michelle one of yours??

[Jackofhearts2005]

If I squinted, I could see Michelle and Eva as scum for getting mad at me about my Radish posts without actually reading them and go all in an exact opposite galaxy brain read from Rabbit’s.

Isn't Michelle one of yours??

She’s third party for playing here a few times and MU a lot.

[Evenstar]

[Evenstar]

If I squinted, I could see Michelle and Eva as scum for getting mad at me about my Radish posts without actually reading them and go all in an exact opposite galaxy brain read from Rabbit’s.

Isn't Michelle one of yours??

She’s third party for playing here a few times and MU a lot.

I see, I see.