Inception [Inception Phase 4]

[Evenstar]

I've got half an hour before I head off to the university for that midterm, so anybody who wants to talk to me before I vanish for like four hours should do so now

[Evenstar]

I wanna know what @Quin thinks about all this?

he's pretty tired and regretful of not keeping up but unashamedly thinks he'll do better once more of you are dead

but not you mac, you should live

quin pushed tsp in a not aligned way imo so I have him clear assuming tsp scum

this post is really interesting

also I did a quick iso of quin because people reminded me they exist

yeah, this can die

ideally vig it though

[Evenstar]

I wanna know what @Quin thinks about all this?

he's pretty tired and regretful of not keeping up but unashamedly thinks he'll do better once more of you are dead

but not you mac, you should live

quin pushed tsp in a not aligned way imo so I have him clear assuming tsp scum

this post is really interesting

also I did a quick iso of quin because people reminded me they exist

yeah, this can die

ideally vig it though

jsyk these are their only two posts today

[Jackofhearts2005]

I've got half an hour before I head off to the university for that midterm, so anybody who wants to talk to me before I vanish for like four hours should do so now

What a coincidence. I am a professor.

Spoiler: show

[Evenstar]

I've got half an hour before I head off to the university for that midterm, so anybody who wants to talk to me before I vanish for like four hours should do so now

What a coincidence. I am a professor.

Spoiler: show

LOL

You got a name for me to add on FEH?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I've got half an hour before I head off to the university for that midterm, so anybody who wants to talk to me before I vanish for like four hours should do so now

What a coincidence. I am a professor.

Spoiler: show

LOL

You got a name for me to add on FEH?

I quit the grind in favor of different grind.

[Pawn Lelouch]

I've got half an hour before I head off to the university for that midterm, so anybody who wants to talk to me before I vanish for like four hours should do so now

What a coincidence. I am a professor.

Spoiler: show

LOL

You got a name for me to add on FEH?

I quit the grind in favor of different grind.

Worth it for the character collection tbh. Way better grind than FGO too

[Jackofhearts2005]

I've got half an hour before I head off to the university for that midterm, so anybody who wants to talk to me before I vanish for like four hours should do so now

What a coincidence. I am a professor.

Spoiler: show

LOL

You got a name for me to add on FEH?

I quit the grind in favor of different grind.

Worth it for the character collection tbh. Way better grind than FGO too

For sure. I’m finding FFOO to be my speed. Really, both F/GO and FEH have too many alts, which annoy me for no good reason.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also, super hard to take the story seriously when it’s a battle for the fate of the multiverse bit we’re always taking time outs to do Easter egg hunts or have a grand prix.

[Evenstar]

well, off to that midterm now

see y'all

[Pawn Lelouch]

I've got half an hour before I head off to the university for that midterm, so anybody who wants to talk to me before I vanish for like four hours should do so now

What a coincidence. I am a professor.

Spoiler: show

LOL

You got a name for me to add on FEH?

I quit the grind in favor of different grind.

Worth it for the character collection tbh. Way better grind than FGO too

For sure. I’m finding FFOO to be my speed. Really, both F/GO and FEH have too many alts, which annoy me for no good reason.

Camilla is kinda absurd, yeah.

And while I would love to try GBF, technically I'm in a FI and so can't let myself get spoiled on anyone or anything. So that's a no go unfortunately.

[Michelle]

@Michelle, what's your opinion regarding the value of a godfather? If you're working on the theory that Dragomir was bussed, does that mean 112 is scum? I don't get your world right now and I want to examine it more closely.

it very much depends on setup, but a role madness with forbidden claims should have a powetful godfather with maybe hidden mechanics.

112s AI doesn't matter and i don't want to speculate about a read i don't have yet

[Evenstar]

Michelle, what's your opinion regarding the value of a godfather? If you're working on the theory that Dragomir was bussed, does that mean 112 is scum? I don't get your world right now and I want to examine it more closely.

it very much depends on setup, but a role madness with forbidden claims should have a powetful godfather with maybe hidden mechanics.

112s AI doesn't matter and i don't want to speculate about a read i don't have yet

... does the Syndicate do roles that only partially flip on death often? Especially in an environment where the mechanics are already depriving Town of information?

Yeah, I don't buy that this is a real thought. Not being willing to comment on 112 when a page ago you were annoyed at me for "not having a settled read of you" - something that wasn't even true, by the way, I think you're scum - is also a bad look.

[Evenstar]

(phone posting at uni, have about an hour until exam, fingers crossed)

[sprityo]

I've got half an hour before I head off to the university for that midterm, so anybody who wants to talk to me before I vanish for like four hours should do so now

What a coincidence. I am a professor.

Spoiler: show

LOL

You got a name for me to add on FEH?

I quit the grind in favor of different grind.

Worth it for the character collection tbh. Way better grind than FGO too

The FGO grind ain’t bad, 200+ logins in and I haven’t paid s penny, and they’re giving it 70 free prisms this week for the anime event

[Evenstar]

[mention]sprityo[/mention], since I see you lurking there. Michelle did raise a decent point earlier: why do you read her as scum but not Dom?

[sprityo]

Michelle, what's your opinion regarding the value of a godfather? If you're working on the theory that Dragomir was bussed, does that mean 112 is scum? I don't get your world right now and I want to examine it more closely.

it very much depends on setup, but a role madness with forbidden claims should have a powetful godfather with maybe hidden mechanics.

112s AI doesn't matter and i don't want to speculate about a read i don't have yet

... does the Syndicate do roles that only partially flip on death often? Especially in an environment where the mechanics are already depriving Town of information?

Yeah, I don't buy that this is a real thought. Not being willing to comment on 112 when a page ago you were annoyed at me for "not having a settled read of you" - something that wasn't even true, by the way, I think you're scum - is also a bad look.

Depends

It’s more common in Open Setups where the roles are already known but they have secrets

Usually these secrets are revealed upon death

[Evenstar]

Michelle, what's your opinion regarding the value of a godfather? If you're working on the theory that Dragomir was bussed, does that mean 112 is scum? I don't get your world right now and I want to examine it more closely.

it very much depends on setup, but a role madness with forbidden claims should have a powetful godfather with maybe hidden mechanics.

112s AI doesn't matter and i don't want to speculate about a read i don't have yet

... does the Syndicate do roles that only partially flip on death often? Especially in an environment where the mechanics are already depriving Town of information?

Yeah, I don't buy that this is a real thought. Not being willing to comment on 112 when a page ago you were annoyed at me for "not having a settled read of you" - something that wasn't even true, by the way, I think you're scum - is also a bad look.

Depends

It’s more common in Open Setups where the roles are already known but they have secrets

Usually these secrets are revealed upon death

Do you think it's likely in this setup?

[sprityo]

sprityo, since I see you lurking there. Michelle did raise a decent point earlier: why do you read her as scum but not Dom?

I’m not lurking I just got online

Dom is someone I fear more than mac. That and he’s mac’s double with the difference being mac will goof off sometimes

Dom is a player who will give the truth, the rude truth, and overall someone who hasn’t said anything I believe to be BS since he started making posts.

Michelle I can’t think of anything she’s said that’s been memorable, nothing to stick in my mind per day. Maybe I’m not looking, maybe it’s because it wasn’t anything important

[sprityo]

Michelle, what's your opinion regarding the value of a godfather? If you're working on the theory that Dragomir was bussed, does that mean 112 is scum? I don't get your world right now and I want to examine it more closely.

it very much depends on setup, but a role madness with forbidden claims should have a powetful godfather with maybe hidden mechanics.

112s AI doesn't matter and i don't want to speculate about a read i don't have yet

... does the Syndicate do roles that only partially flip on death often? Especially in an environment where the mechanics are already depriving Town of information?

Yeah, I don't buy that this is a real thought. Not being willing to comment on 112 when a page ago you were annoyed at me for "not having a settled read of you" - something that wasn't even true, by the way, I think you're scum - is also a bad look.

Depends

It’s more common in Open Setups where the roles are already known but they have secrets

Usually these secrets are revealed upon death

Do you think it's likely in this setup?

That secrets are revealed on death? Yes I do. There are minimal closed setups on this site and I think I’m the only host to have secrets that are not revealed upon death.

That’s just my experience, with new crazy setups you can never just assume things. There isn’t a status quo.

[Master Radishes]

@iaafr

Remind me why you think individual Syndicate players besides Epi look scummy?

Like you, Pawn, 112 and Radishes have all expressed that your suspicions mostly lie on Syndicate regulars.

I don’t have any Syndicate regulars in my scumpool. What am I missing?

To clarify, I said most were on my PoE; I didn't say I was scumreading them all. Most are simply null, this in the PoE.

[Master Radishes]

Does anyone else feel like we, as a group, are doing a poor job of actually scumhunting today? A lot of the discussion has been only tangentially helpful in rooting out the mafia amongst us.

I know we can't narrow down to a couple wagons as we approach EoD, but we can still ISO and build cases and such.

[Master Radishes]

We've got several low posters, replacements catching up, Mac dealing with sick children, Nook refusing to engage, Pawn without a laptop, LLD flipping out...

Who's left who wants to play with me?

(Although I'll be in and out over the next few hours myself.)

[Pawn Lelouch]

Does anyone else feel like we, as a group, are doing a poor job of actually scumhunting today? A lot of the discussion has been only tangentially helpful in rooting out the mafia amongst us.

I know we can't narrow down to a couple wagons as we approach EoD, but we can still ISO and build cases and such.

Like in all seriousness so many people have basically low/no posted that we can't actually do anything to truly ISO them, especially due to the lack of a D1 thread and the vote coordination restrictions.

So there are so many people that have to be auto nulled/null- that we can't effectively scum hunt with all of the negative space. So it's been largely focused on jokes and honestly town building.

It's just that people are heavily conflicted on who make up town and it's been more of an unsaid undercurrent rather than something explicitly stated.

[Master Radishes]

Does anyone else feel like we, as a group, are doing a poor job of actually scumhunting today? A lot of the discussion has been only tangentially helpful in rooting out the mafia amongst us.

I know we can't narrow down to a couple wagons as we approach EoD, but we can still ISO and build cases and such.

Like in all seriousness so many people have basically low/no posted that we can't actually do anything to truly ISO them, especially due to the lack of a D1 thread and the vote coordination restrictions.

So there are so many people that have to be auto nulled/null- that we can't effectively scum hunt with all of the negative space. So it's been largely focused on jokes and honestly town building.

It's just that people are heavily conflicted on who make up town and it's been more of an unsaid undercurrent rather than something explicitly stated.

Yeah, that.

You're good at saying things.

[Master Radishes]

But this is a scum's dream gamestate - we can't effectively coordinate a town vote, and all votes are secret, so the 3-4 mafia likely to be in here can stuff the vote privately. (I'm assuming they still have day chat.) Like, if we don't try to coordinate at all, we could spread the votes across a wide range and then the scum could vote as a bloc and force out a consensus town read.


My interpretation of the restrictions placed upon us would allow for us to make a list of relatively consensus townreads*, which we acknowledge are suboptimal lynch candidates, which could thereby help reduce the potential lynchees to a smaller pooler that we agree would be the optimal lynch candidates.


*I realise this is easier said than done, but hypoethetically if I SR Evenstar and few others do, I'm unlikely to vote for her if I suspect no one else is going to; I'd rather vote strategically for another SR I have that others also share.

[Pawn Lelouch]

And as it is, I believe it should be fairly obvious who my most thread consensus vote option of my bottom 5 is, considering how I divided them in a group of two and a group of 3.

[Master Radishes]

I would be very unlikely to vote for Rabbit, Mac, Michelle, Nanook, or Pawn today. (I have a deepwolf suspicion or two in that pool, but am nonetheless very unlikely to vote there today.)

As a general principle I don't support voting for low-posters without just cause, and as such would also be unlikely to vote for Quin, and likely Dom. (Nova is an exception due to my vote analysis.) I could be open about Dom if someone paints me a good case.

[Master Radishes]

And as it is, I believe it should be fairly obvious who my most thread consensus vote option of my bottom 5 is, considering how I divided them in a group of two and a group of 3.

Yeah, this is what I'm getting at. I'm just working from the top down because I feel my reads are not widely shared.

[Pawn Lelouch]

But to reiterate my scum read bottom group is Dom, Nova, Quin, with my upper group as Rej/Colin, LLD, Sprit.

You, Epi, iaafr, Mac, ES, 112 as my null+ or higher groups. Michelle and Jack are my nulls.

[Master Radishes]

I would be very unlikely to vote for Rabbit, Mac, Michelle, Nanook, or Pawn today. (I have a deepwolf suspicion or two in that pool, but am nonetheless very unlikely to vote there today.)

As a general principle I don't support voting for low-posters without just cause, and as such would also be unlikely to vote for Quin, and likely Dom. (Nova is an exception due to my vote analysis.) I could be open about Dom if someone paints me a good case.

And LLD falls under the same category as Dom.

But I think Sprit and Colin could be on the table; I really need to ISO them or something, though.

[Master Radishes]

But to reiterate my scum read bottom group is Dom, Nova, Quin, with my upper group as Rej/Colin, LLD, Sprit.

You, Epi, iaafr, Mac, ES, 112 as my null+ or higher groups. Michelle and Jack are my nulls.

This is...safe. (Did someone say that to you earlier, or was that about something else?) Is this just sort-by-postcount here?

I don't agree with Quin, though. Have they posted a single thing? Not a good vote as it doesn't really solve anything for us going forward, regardless of flip.

[novaselinenever]

also, where the heck is novaselinenever

Hey I'm here now

[novaselinenever]

Been a pretty wild couple of days

[novaselinenever]

I have a feeling my head is about to roll this phase lol, that's super lame

[novaselinenever]

D3 was supposed to be supa town nova

[Master Radishes]

I have a feeling my head is about to roll this phase lol, that's super lame

At the end of last day, you voted 112 last minute (well, 7 mins left) without any justification I spotted, nor any real build up to it I spotted. Drago then flipped red. This therefore looks like you were possibly trying to prevent a scum getting lynched.

So let me ask: why did you vote 112?

[novaselinenever]

The all the TS regulars are scum theory is so fucking on point, I think I had a post D1 asking why the fuck most of them are being scummy lol.

Alas it's not completely right, since I'm a good old townie

[novaselinenever]

Or am I the exception to the rule

[Jackofhearts2005]

The problem with that is if I say “I won’t vote Rabbit because they are not consensus scum” then I have to take a third scumread and act like it is equal to my other bottom two.

[Pawn Lelouch]

But to reiterate my scum read bottom group is Dom, Nova, Quin, with my upper group as Rej/Colin, LLD, Sprit.

You, Epi, iaafr, Mac, ES, 112 as my null+ or higher groups. Michelle and Jack are my nulls.

This is...safe. (Did someone say that to you earlier, or was that about something else?) Is this just sort-by-postcount here?

I don't agree with Quin, though. Have they posted a single thing? Not a good vote as it doesn't really solve anything for us going forward, regardless of flip.

Iaafr has called me out about being fencesitty + too evenkeeled. And yeah, it's safe but that's because it's also me just trying to look at this methodically.

Also forgot Nook and he's in the townie group for me. I'm currently TRing Nook and Eva just from general playstyle and personality as well as votes. I vibe with iaafr way too hard when he pretty clearly hasn't tried to pocket me so I'm slotting him in town.

112 is pure wine based on vote movements that I never want to drink tonight and I am willing to trust iaafr to an extent here.

I was already TRing you D1 and EOD votes help you out. You've been a little bit off in regards to shutting out other thread speculation due to it's likely long term effects, but otherwise I've largely agreed with you and can see thought processes from your end.

Epi is a self resolve and someone we never hit today and I've just been soul reading Mac since early D1.

Michelle I've never been able to read and Jack is this really weird case of having conflicting points warring hard enough to keep him there.

All the others are actively scummy or are just slanking hard, and while I don't like hitting slankers due to lack of info, sometimes it really is that simple and there is nothing actually bouying them up to be higher than that.

[Jackofhearts2005]

A wild Nova appears.

[novaselinenever]

I have a feeling my head is about to roll this phase lol, that's super lame

At the end of last day, you voted 112 last minute (well, 7 mins left) without any justification I spotted, nor any real build up to it I spotted. Drago then flipped red. This therefore looks like you were possibly trying to prevent a scum getting lynched.

So let me ask: why did you vote 112?

'Cause I wanted them lynched over Drago, more comfortable town read between the two or whatnot (also had 112 as likely with my post saying I bought what they were saying which is why I was looking for a third wagon (Epi) before deciding between the two). I entered the thread with an hour left and hand't read much, I was thinking Drago was just being his dumb self and being wagoned, it always happens when he's town.

[Pawn Lelouch]

A wild Nova appears.

People call him out publicly and then he appears. As expected.

[Jackofhearts2005]

This may be the first time it is ever useful to play gth.

[novaselinenever]

I'd have thrown his ass back to the shadow realm if we were teamed lol. My EoD is so fucking sloppy and dumb, that I'm surprised people are suspected me for it. It's dumb village stuff I promise, especially one that's swamped

[Jackofhearts2005]

A wild Nova appears.

People call him out publicly and then he appears. As expected.

With like a 12 hour delay.

I don’t think it’s related.

[112]

these are strange days

[112]

er, dreams i guess

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

We've got several low posters, replacements catching up, Mac dealing with sick children, Nook refusing to engage, Pawn without a laptop, LLD flipping out...

Who's left who wants to play with me?

(Although I'll be in and out over the next few hours myself.)

I don’t think I’ve refused to engage for the most part, I just haven’t been doing it proactively? If you’ve got questions or whatever I’m about to take a much needed nap but I can answer before or after.