Inception [Inception Phase 4]

[iaafr]

bye

[Pawn Lelouch]

pawn pelase talk to me

One sec, finding my list from the walrus and then I can actually analyze posts.

[Epignosis]

this is legitimately emotionally distressing

I am asking you a question, and you don't seem willing to answer it. I cannot assess your thought process otherwise. If you think I am being dishonest, then fine- accuse me. Instead you've decided to ignore me. I can't work with that.

[Epignosis]

To put it another way, if you are a civilian, you have no reason to be emotionally distressed. The worst thing that happens is you get lynched and you get to stick your tongue out at the people who fucked up. This is a game.

That you are trying to claim that my simple questions are "legitimately emotionally distressing" only cements in my mind that you have a guilty conscience. If you are a civilian, and you believe I am one as well, then the only logical thing for you to do is work with me, answer my questions, and help me understand you (and by all means, ask me questions).

[Pawn Lelouch]

pawn lelouch

is epignosis being fair to me right now?

He is heavily overemphasizing the lack of a vote on D1. Yeah, it wasn't ideal that you didn't put one on Drago to clinch it but unvoting 112 is still a push towards that, and notably one you had been hinting at for a damn good while. I even called you out on it when you said "completely unexpected betrayal" with everyone expected it, since you had been doing blatant hinting.

And even with that initial waver, everything else within the game has been pure town you. Since the beginning of D1.

And yeah, Epi hasn't seen a fair bit of your playstyle for some context, but it's not a overall scummy set of posts even without that. So I do think that the overemphasis that he's been placing is a fair bit too much.

And while I'm enjoying the game I do consider it bastard and somewhat disorienting. I agree with you on that and think Epi not considering it as such is a case of just trying to defend his friends over the truth. Since if this isn't considered bastard over here, I do hate to see what would be considered as such.

[iaafr]

i feel like im getting gaslighted by these accusations and i feel like youre interrogating me in an extremely abrasive guilty-until-proven-innocent way

which ok is a philosophy but can you stop?

i dont want to get myself out of your suspect pool

[iaafr]

like im legitimately mad i didnt get to defend boo's slot

[iaafr]

every push on me feels dumb

[iaafr]

i dont know why 112 isnt here to help me feel sane even if shes scum lol hahahahahah

[iaafr]

benson was actually my d1 rock and i dont get ot talk to him

[Pawn Lelouch]

Like, the most potentially sus thing that I could see would be how you, ES, and myself all have the same bottom 3 with the order being ES, myself, and then you, with the argument that this is either two scum buddying a townie or a scum player faking a read list to consenus players.

But even then I wouldn't have them down there if I didn't consider them the most sus players in the game right now, so while that thought process could technically have merit, it's not one worth discussing as of right now.

[Pawn Lelouch]

Like, the most potentially sus thing that I could see would be how you, ES, and myself all have the same bottom 3 with the order being ES, myself, and then you, with the argument that this is either two scum buddying a townie or a scum player faking a read list to consenus players.

But even then I wouldn't have them down there if I didn't consider them the most sus players in the game right now, so while that thought process could technically have merit, it's not one worth discussing as of right now.

And those would apply suspicions between all 3 of us, not just focused on you.

[Jackofhearts2005]

i still think pushes on me are lazy and if you really try to get in my head my thoughts are clearly real

Yeah your whole “I obviously knew Drago was bad and that’s why I decided to not vote for him or voice that suspicion at all” and “maybe a specific half the player base are scum as a joke” things ring true in particular. It’s everything else you say that comes across as a little fake.

[Epignosis]

pawn lelouch

is epignosis being fair to me right now?

He is heavily overemphasizing the lack of a vote on D1. Yeah, it wasn't ideal that you didn't put one on Drago to clinch it but unvoting 112 is still a push towards that, and notably one you had been hinting at for a damn good while. I even called you out on it when you said "completely unexpected betrayal" with everyone expected it, since you had been doing blatant hinting.

And even with that initial waver, everything else within the game has been pure town you. Since the beginning of D1.

And yeah, Epi hasn't seen a fair bit of your playstyle for some context, but it's not a overall scummy set of posts even without that. So I do think that the overemphasis that he's been placing is a fair bit too much.

And while I'm enjoying the game I do consider it bastard and somewhat disorienting. I agree with you on that and think Epi not considering it as such is a case of just trying to defend his friends over the truth. Since if this isn't considered bastard over here, I do hate to see what would be considered as such.

I am not being unfair. I am asking questions. I am stating concerns. If iaafr can't handle that, then I don't know what to do.

As for this setup, I'm reserving judgment. Anyway, either play it or get replaced. Stop complaining about it. That's for anybody.

[iaafr]

i still think pushes on me are lazy and if you really try to get in my head my thoughts are clearly real

Yeah your whole “I obviously knew Drago was bad and that’s why I decided to not vote for him or voice that suspicion at all” and “maybe a specific half the player base are scum as a joke” things ring true in particular. It’s everything else you say that comes across as a little fake.

thats fine

i dont see anybody acting like their reads will change so lets just stop talking about them

[iaafr]

how am i supposed to do work

the phases keep disappearing and theres no new flip except boo who i should get decent cred for cuz i townread them in a pretty organic way but i cant pull up the d2 post showing that

[iaafr]

how am i supposed to do work

the phases keep disappearing and theres no new flip except boo who i should get decent cred for cuz i townread them in a pretty organic way but i cant pull up the d2 post showing that

[Jackofhearts2005]

so yeah thats where i stand right now idk ill make reads when people DO SHIT

But not votes. Hmm.

i voted last phase

That’s exactly what someone who didn’t vote would say.

[Epignosis]

every push on me feels dumb

I am trying to understand what is going on in your brain. You are a candidate to get my vote because I can understand things elsewhere. If you shut down and don't explain your thought process to me, I have no choice but to assume you are mafia. That is all. To that end, I need an answer to this:

its like you cant even imagine i believed what i believed

and i cant even pull up the posts from d1 to provide what i believe is evidence of my signaling of how the lynch would go

and im saying i was right

jesus christ

I am saying I have this:

"i signalled over and over i didnt actually want to lynch 112 d1"

coming from someone who didn't vote to save 112 when it was very close.

Truly you can't expect me to let that pass.

[iaafr]

any suggestions on how to advance the gamestate in a meaningful way?

[Jackofhearts2005]

i still think pushes on me are lazy and if you really try to get in my head my thoughts are clearly real

Yeah your whole “I obviously knew Drago was bad and that’s why I decided to not vote for him or voice that suspicion at all” and “maybe a specific half the player base are scum as a joke” things ring true in particular. It’s everything else you say that comes across as a little fake.

thats fine

i dont see anybody acting like their reads will change so lets just stop talking about them

[iaafr]

so yeah thats where i stand right now idk ill make reads when people DO SHIT

But not votes. Hmm.

i voted last phase

That’s exactly what someone who didn’t vote would say.

i sware on me mum i voted

[Epignosis]

Come on! Don't be so fragile! It's a game on the Internet! Just roll with it.

[iaafr]

honestly the only option here is to keep trolling the game to find enjoyment so fair warning thats whats about to happen

[Epignosis]

Stop defending yourselves! Accuse somebody! Move boxes! Do anything!

[iaafr]

i am fragile by nature and i cannot find a straightforward way to enjoy this gamestate as a town player. apologies.

[Epignosis]

honestly the only option here is to keep trolling the game to find enjoyment so fair warning thats whats about to happen

No, that's not what's about to happen.

[iaafr]

but the posts are gone i cant even iso dom to show how he just did a really bad tunnel on me and hardly anything else

[Epignosis]

i am fragile by nature and i cannot find a straightforward way to enjoy this gamestate as a town player. apologies.

So why do you play Mafia?

[Pawn Lelouch]

but the posts are gone i cant even iso dom to show how he just did a really bad tunnel on me and hardly anything else

I remember it. It was one of the more prominent parts of D2 tbh.

[Epignosis]

but the posts are gone i cant even iso dom to show how he just did a really bad tunnel on me and hardly anything else

I told everyone to copy and paste posts that might be important to them. Did anybody do that?

[iaafr]

i like scumhunting by reading threads and convincing people with cases on later days of the game like this day

except the gamethreads all gone n stuff so

[Epignosis]

i like scumhunting by reading threads and convincing people with cases on later days of the game like this day

except the gamethreads all gone n stuff so

What did you contribute Day 2 when I posted stuff on everyone? Had quotes and all.

[iaafr]

cant reread d1 with flips.

cant reread d2 and have no new flips other than boo, which was an accident

my whole system is gone

and youre scum because youre attacking me over sympathizing with this as a huge roadblock in playing mafia

[iaafr]

yeah but what am i supposed to do now

normally i wouldnt be defenidng myself but i feel forced into it because youre here grilling me and i cant go back and start scumhunting and ignoring you like i normally would

[Jackofhearts2005]

any suggestions on how to advance the gamestate in a meaningful way?

I got half a mind to ask to be sent back to a level where we can publicly vote. It’s funny that I have 3 votes but since I’m never lynched or nightkilled, I don’t actually need the extras.

How’s about we discuss specific players for specific amounts of time. Then do that several times through the day.

I feel like my hands are tied not being able to discuss players one at a time is a pain in the ass.

[Epignosis]

cant reread d1 with flips.

cant reread d2 and have no new flips other than boo, which was an accident

my whole system is gone

and youre scum because youre attacking me over sympathizing with this as a huge roadblock in playing mafia

Sympathizing with you doesn't accomplish anything. Asking you questions does.

[iaafr]

the funniest thing is i did do work n1 and read a lot of isos

i just didnt prep posts like you did

[Epignosis]

Jack, iaafr, ColinisCool

[Jackofhearts2005]

any suggestions on how to advance the gamestate in a meaningful way?

I got half a mind to ask to be sent back to a level where we can publicly vote. It’s funny that I have 3 lives but since I’m never lynched or nightkilled, I don’t actually need the extras.

How’s about we discuss specific players for specific amounts of time. Then do that several times through the day.

I feel like my hands are tied not being able to discuss players one at a time is a pain in the ass.

Ebwop

[iaafr]

and youre able to accuse me of lying because i can only bring up stuff ic ant prove because i cant go back in gamethreads n stuff HOLY SHIT THIS IS SO FUCKING TROLL DUDE HOW DO YOU NOT GET HOW TROLL THIS IS

[Epignosis]

the funniest thing is i did do work n1 and read a lot of isos

i just didnt prep posts like you did

Lesson learned.

Why are you afraid of some of my questions?

[iaafr]

epignosis, dom, colin

[iaafr]

the funniest thing is i did do work n1 and read a lot of isos

i just didnt prep posts like you did

Lesson learned.

Why are you afraid of some of my questions?

see the emotional intelligence book might help you realize im not afraid im annoyed and i have no patience to defend myself and i already told you i dont care if you scumread me

[Jackofhearts2005]

so yeah thats where i stand right now idk ill make reads when people DO SHIT

But not votes. Hmm.

i voted last phase

That’s exactly what someone who didn’t vote would say.

i sware on me mum i voted

[iaafr]

HOW DO YOU NOT REALIZE HOW FRUSTRATING IT IS NOT TO BE ABLE TO PLAY A DAY THREE LIKE ID PLAY ANY NORMAL DAY THREE WHICH IS QUOTE OPSTS FROM A DAY ONE AND DAY TWO THAT HAVE CONTINUITY

[iaafr]

done.

[iaafr]

epignosis is absolutely outed and im going to say im not voting him ill vote in an different pool of three

does that work

hope it does

[Jackofhearts2005]

HOW DO YOU NOT REALIZE HOW FRUSTRATING IT IS NOT TO BE ABLE TO PLAY A DAY THREE LIKE ID PLAY ANY NORMAL DAY THREE WHICH IS QUOTE OPSTS FROM A DAY ONE AND DAY TWO THAT HAVE CONTINUITY

[Epignosis]

and youre able to accuse me of lying because i can only bring up stuff ic ant prove because i cant go back in gamethreads n stuff HOLY SHIT THIS IS SO FUCKING TROLL DUDE HOW DO YOU NOT GET HOW TROLL THIS IS

If this is directed at me, I have only brought up things you have said yourself in here as well as your vote record. You do not need Day 1's thread to answer.

its like you cant even imagine i believed what i believed

and i cant even pull up the posts from d1 to provide what i believe is evidence of my signaling of how the lynch would go

and im saying i was right

jesus christ

I am saying I have this:

"i signalled over and over i didnt actually want to lynch 112 d1"

coming from someone who didn't vote to save 112 when it was very close.

Truly you can't expect me to let that pass.

1. I am granting you this. You don't need to point to it. I am accepting it as truth.

2. You didn't vote to save 112. That's demonstrably true.

So why did you not vote Dragomir when you wanted to save 112?