Inception [Inception Phase 4]

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Who threatens the subconscious mind?

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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

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Evenstar wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:03 pm iaafr, Pawn Lelouch
help me out here, what am I doing wrong
this PoE sucks but I can't seem to see the game a different way
Honestly I agree with the core of it. Since it seems too damn simple but I can't come up with anything else.

I'm never going after you or iaafr. So 6 slots and I am ultimately 3 tiering this since I don't think anyone else here is on the same level of cleared as you two.

Epi, Jack, Sprityo, Dom, Radishes, Colin.

So while Epi has some emotions in terms of annoyance it's not that much and frankly isn't a town tell. Most people would be annoyed in that scenario so it is hard NAI. Then the rabbit push is very eh. I'm honestly unsure if I want him in bottom or middle still, but I guess I'll drop him in for now.

I can agree that Jack has looked better in regards to trying to remove out the current POE and actually participating. Most of them are kinda fluffy but I like his approach to Radishes and there was decent insight when he commented on Michelle.

Dom just has baseless aggression and that's it.

Radishes is weird for me. He has similar thought processes but timings and amount of work make it possible that he's trying to pocket me. So there's sus there but I'm not hitting him today imo.

Colin has some flailing but again, there's nothing actually clearing here. It's enough that he isn't the option today but that's it.

Maybe it's just me but there wasn't anything supremely clearing about the emotional outburst. I get why you're reading him town off it, it could be enough to bump if there was more but he still doesn't have the best look in thread. At the very least since we need 3 I don't see enough to move him to the middle.

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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

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notice how radishes is the only entry there that truly looks like "town but with paranoia" other than maybe jack bit still
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iaafr wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:03 pm notice how radishes is the only entry there that truly looks like "town but with paranoia" other than maybe jack bit still
Yeah. Again, most of them haven't really cleared themselves or have mixed/outright bad ISOs.

It makes it annoying to solve.
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iaafr wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:05 pm my actual worldview = all syndicate = scum and they need to get my lynched somehow as part of their wincon so yea im not saner than you if we're going by conventional sensibilities here
I promise you that focusing on what should be tinfoil is doing you no favors regardless of your alignment.
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You basically keep repeating that you don’t want to work with like half the people here and then you wonder why anyone is scumreading you.

I’d post a Jackie Chan brain is full of fuck picture here but free Hong Kong and fuck Jackie Chan, too.
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:12 pm I’d post a Jackie Chan brain is full of fuck picture here but free Hong Kong and fuck Jackie Chan, too.
Respect. :srsnod:
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:12 pm You basically keep repeating that you don’t want to work with like half the people here and then you wonder why anyone is scumreading you.

I’d post a Jackie Chan brain is full of fuck picture here but free Hong Kong and fuck Jackie Chan, too.
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

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I said im not responding to people's incorrect pushes that's kinda different man
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and Ive been trying to work with people like with the spiny clearing evenstar people but all the syndicate players would rather talk about why I could apparently still be scum
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iaafr wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:14 pm I said im not responding to people's incorrect pushes that's kinda different man
As a fun little game, why don’t you iso yourself and see how often this happens.

Nobody: ...
You: I bet all the Syndicate players are scum.
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:18 pm
iaafr wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:14 pm I said im not responding to people's incorrect pushes that's kinda different man
As a fun little game, why don’t you iso yourself and see how often this happens.

Nobody: ...
You: I bet all the Syndicate players are scum.
hey if I literally think I have the spiciest gamesolve that might be true I'm going to say it
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y'all can act like it's a dumb tinfoil and I'll keep acting like y'all's susses of me are dumb tinfoils cuz from where I'm standing I believe in the latter far more
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iaafr wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:23 pm y'all can act like it's a dumb tinfoil and I'll keep acting like y'all's susses of me are dumb tinfoils cuz from where I'm standing I believe in the latter far more
you gotta sell, rabbit

if you want to convince people you have to show them how they're wrong, not just insist they are
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Evenstar wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:26 pm
iaafr wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:23 pm y'all can act like it's a dumb tinfoil and I'll keep acting like y'all's susses of me are dumb tinfoils cuz from where I'm standing I believe in the latter far more
you gotta sell, rabbit

if you want to convince people you have to show them how they're wrong, not just insist they are
but none of them appear receptive to my way of townreading myself and just want me to defend against accusations in ways where I'd normally be quoting d1 posts

and if I think they're all scum and all the actual town are townreading me I can be satisfied with this gamestate
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

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iaafr wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:28 pm
Evenstar wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:26 pm
iaafr wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:23 pm y'all can act like it's a dumb tinfoil and I'll keep acting like y'all's susses of me are dumb tinfoils cuz from where I'm standing I believe in the latter far more
you gotta sell, rabbit

if you want to convince people you have to show them how they're wrong, not just insist they are
but none of them appear receptive to my way of townreading myself and just want me to defend against accusations in ways where I'd normally be quoting d1 posts

and if I think they're all scum and all the actual town are townreading me I can be satisfied with this gamestate
when have you ever played a mafia game that was that convenient
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I'm genuinely like pretty lost on what people want me to do here

I keep telling you I'd be making cases if I could

"working with people" is something I do when people case each other in ways that are appealing to me and I still haven't fully read this day because I caught a glimpse of Dom's push on me and it made me wanna do nothing

I'm good with rolling with pawns tier list pretty much and seeing what happens next
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

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Eva wrote:talk to me about my rederivation of this shitty, shitty PoE

which of my assumptions are wrong
Walk me through how Rabbit being a double voter makes Rabbit town or why a town double voter wouldn’t have voted the scumread he “obviously” secretly had.

I don’t get it.
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I'm not confident to the point where I'd bet money but I'd rather just advance to the next phase with these reads than second guess myself trying to sort these guys
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

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iaafr wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:30 pm I'm genuinely like pretty lost on what people want me to do here
Literally anything but homesite reads.
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Evenstar wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:29 pm
iaafr wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:28 pm
Evenstar wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:26 pm
iaafr wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:23 pm y'all can act like it's a dumb tinfoil and I'll keep acting like y'all's susses of me are dumb tinfoils cuz from where I'm standing I believe in the latter far more
you gotta sell, rabbit

if you want to convince people you have to show them how they're wrong, not just insist they are
but none of them appear receptive to my way of townreading myself and just want me to defend against accusations in ways where I'd normally be quoting d1 posts

and if I think they're all scum and all the actual town are townreading me I can be satisfied with this gamestate
when have you ever played a mafia game that was that convenient
Once I played a game that allowed claiming but the host said it wouldn’t help us win but then we massclaimed and won really easily. Does that count?
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

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you're implying it's due to Homesite

no it's because all of you are pushing me in a way I don't buy and don't respect the clears that I think should be obvious
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:31 pm
Eva wrote:talk to me about my rederivation of this shitty, shitty PoE

which of my assumptions are wrong
Walk me through how Rabbit being a double voter makes Rabbit town or why a town double voter wouldn’t have voted the scumread he “obviously” secretly had.

I don’t get it.
I admit this is a weak point in my case for Iaafr, but I am ok with it and still think he's town

Do you have further reasons to scumread him?
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

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Holy cow this game has thousands of post in this forum. It's great to see everyone so engaged! On the downside, there's no way I can keep up with that many posts.

There has been a lot of good gameplay so far, but a couple of clashes as well. I'm not talking to anyone in particular, but I'd like to take a chance and remind everyone that this is a game. A contentious, competitive game full of strained relationships between complete strangers, deception in spades, and aggressive discourse... but a game nonetheless.

That's the nature of the game.

It's understandable if some players get on your nerves, or if playstyles butt heads, or if the setup isn't quite what you'd dreamed it to be. But this is a game, and I ask that, if you get to the point where you aren't enjoying yourself (or might be causing someone else to rage at their keyboard) that you step back, take a deep breath, and spend five minutes looking at kitten gifs. If you still have a serious grievance afterward, related to the attitude of the players or personal attacks, please PM me.

Just a reminder, that's all. Thanks.
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it's not Homesite reads it just so happens that everybody who is legitimately scummy to me all happen to be regulars here
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

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Evenstar wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:31 pm
Eva wrote:talk to me about my rederivation of this shitty, shitty PoE

which of my assumptions are wrong
Walk me through how Rabbit being a double voter makes Rabbit town or why a town double voter wouldn’t have voted the scumread he “obviously” secretly had.

I don’t get it.
I admit this is a weak point in my case for Iaafr, but I am ok with it and still think he's town

Do you have further reasons to scumread him?
I feel like I’m getting a lot of “fair point, Jack, but I’m just gonna keep the reads I have” today. :rolleyes:
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pushing on why I still could be scum rather than pushing on why I am is scummy, especially when I'm town
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I'm literally falling asleep at my keyboard here

I blame faylight savings time

yeah I think i should sleep on this

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iaafr wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:40 pm pushing on why I still could be scum rather than pushing on why I am is scummy, especially when I'm town
What if I pretend I think everyone not from the Syndicate is scum so I don’t have to listen to you?
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Literally Eva asked me which of her assumptions was wrong.
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go ahead I haven't been criticizing your play like you have mine aside from the endless sussing of me
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:39 pm
Evenstar wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:31 pm
Eva wrote:talk to me about my rederivation of this shitty, shitty PoE

which of my assumptions are wrong
Walk me through how Rabbit being a double voter makes Rabbit town or why a town double voter wouldn’t have voted the scumread he “obviously” secretly had.

I don’t get it.
I admit this is a weak point in my case for Iaafr, but I am ok with it and still think he's town

Do you have further reasons to scumread him?
I feel like I’m getting a lot of “fair point, Jack, but I’m just gonna keep the reads I have” today. :rolleyes:
I was responding to this which seems to imply Eva should be reading me scum because one of her admittedly numerous reasons to read me town might be questionable
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:39 pm
Evenstar wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:31 pm
Eva wrote:talk to me about my rederivation of this shitty, shitty PoE

which of my assumptions are wrong
Walk me through how Rabbit being a double voter makes Rabbit town or why a town double voter wouldn’t have voted the scumread he “obviously” secretly had.

I don’t get it.
I admit this is a weak point in my case for Iaafr, but I am ok with it and still think he's town

Do you have further reasons to scumread him?
I feel like I’m getting a lot of “fair point, Jack, but I’m just gonna keep the reads I have” today. :rolleyes:
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as it stands even if I'm wrong on all syndicate being scum my reads are probably still more accurate than anybody considering me, so...
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iaafr wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:04 pm as it stands even if I'm wrong on all syndicate being scum my reads are probably still more accurate than anybody considering me, so...
And you're sheeping my reads so I accept this statement. :slick:
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it's not a real sheep those bottom 3 independently pinged me most too
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I still have work to do tonight, but I am free for a few conscientious hours.
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

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Evenstar wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:11 pm
iaafr wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:06 pm
Evenstar wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:05 pm
iaafr wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:02 pm
Evenstar wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:01 pm ... I think it would be astonishing if a player like Grapefruit had a scumgame like mine. That's what I think, on careful review. Epi is town. And if he's not, he deserves to win.
where did grapefruit come from wtf
epi feels analytical like grapefruit21 or pawn IMO

but if he's scum he's faking a ton of emotions

these two things don't seem to jibe
which of his emotions are town-perspective and cant be genuine scum perspective emotions and/or genuine emotions sublimated into ones that pretend to be town
No, that's not the point

the point is that I think he's naturally an observer-type or analyst-type player, and therefore it's hard for him to fake emotion and he'll prefer not to do it

then there's like four pages of very heated emotions today

I don't think the emotions themselves are unfakable, if that was Hyena doing that I would lynch it instantly

but I feel like Epi specifically would have a difficult time doing that

Jackofhearts2005 you're a syndi, am I right about Epi's character here or am I blowing smoke?
Epi’s emotions don’t seem to change with alignment. I’m not the best at catching scum Epi. I do on occasion recognize town Epi and this feels like town Epi.

In particular, he cares a lot about this game and while town Epi doesn’t always fit that bill, the shits he gives feel productive and real if that makes sense.
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

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sprityo wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:04 pm
Epignosis wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:03 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:51 am Jack, Epi, sprit: what do you think of Dom’s play so far? I have been waffling and never played him enough to get a good handle anyway.
I have no issue with Dom presently. I just realized I evidently missed Dom in the book I compiled. I don't know how that happened.

Nobody else seemed to notice either. :ponder:
he didnt exist until about an hour or so ago :p
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(This is a reference, not a claim.)
To what?
iaafr wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:36 pm I have a pretty good case on Eva and she has a pretty good case on me for being mech town

how are you guys still even thinking about me
...this is just a lie... there's been a pretty decent sized hole blown in her mechanical reason for you being good and it is hard to believe she earnestly missed it.


Epignosis wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:52 pm
iaafr wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:38 pm talking about me in any capacity as a potential vote for this day is a scumclaim at this point

if you can't see why as town you need to reread my posts and Eva's posts
You're the only one talking about you. ;)
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:16 pm
Evenstar wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:11 pm
iaafr wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:06 pm
Evenstar wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:05 pm
iaafr wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:02 pm
Evenstar wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:01 pm ... I think it would be astonishing if a player like Grapefruit had a scumgame like mine. That's what I think, on careful review. Epi is town. And if he's not, he deserves to win.
where did grapefruit come from wtf
epi feels analytical like grapefruit21 or pawn IMO

but if he's scum he's faking a ton of emotions

these two things don't seem to jibe
which of his emotions are town-perspective and cant be genuine scum perspective emotions and/or genuine emotions sublimated into ones that pretend to be town
No, that's not the point

the point is that I think he's naturally an observer-type or analyst-type player, and therefore it's hard for him to fake emotion and he'll prefer not to do it

then there's like four pages of very heated emotions today

I don't think the emotions themselves are unfakable, if that was Hyena doing that I would lynch it instantly

but I feel like Epi specifically would have a difficult time doing that

Jackofhearts2005 you're a syndi, am I right about Epi's character here or am I blowing smoke?
Epi’s emotions don’t seem to change with alignment. I’m not the best at catching scum Epi. I do on occasion recognize town Epi and this feels like town Epi.

In particular, he cares a lot about this game and while town Epi doesn’t always fit that bill, the shits he gives feel productive and real if that makes sense.
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I’m probably putting Dom in my bottom three and removing...Radishes? Maybe.

You’d think since basically everyone but Dom and Epi have iaafr as locktiwn, someone could convince me I’m wrong but 🤷🏻‍♂️
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iaafr, I'm townreading myself. If you can't understand why I'm good, go and read my posts and Dom's posts.
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Damn, I felt silly even writing that in jest.
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man I overate
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Dom wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:35 pm I’ll do my best to mason with you later *noogies*

(This is a reference, not a claim.)
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:27 pm I’m probably putting Dom in my bottom three and removing...Radishes? Maybe.

You’d think since basically everyone but Dom and Epi have iaafr as locktiwn, someone could convince me I’m wrong but 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Epignosis wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:28 pm iaafr, I'm townreading myself.
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