Inception [Inception Phase 4]

[iaafr]

Isn't thatwhat you're begging us to do?

i would like to see who is willing to do it and how people justify their townreads if not

i dont feel like many of you have any progression on reading pawns slot

[iaafr]

epi has a progression because he posted it d2 but i forgot it

[Epignosis]

what are your strongest reasons for liking pawn?

it doesnt give you pause on me that he strongly likes me and says im never lynch?

I am an adult capable of respecting someone's opinion that might be different than mine.

I am not here to determine those who will agree with me. I'm here to determine those who are lying to me.

[iaafr]

i did not save posts because i felt that would be against the spirit of the game

[Dom]

So.
Sprit keeps emphasizing how much I'm not participating.

I have more posts than he this day period.

[iaafr]

what are your strongest reasons for liking pawn?

it doesnt give you pause on me that he strongly likes me and says im never lynch?

I am an adult capable of respecting someone's opinion that might be different than mine.

I am not here to determine those who will agree with me. I'm here to determine those who are lying to me.

i am town and i have lied in this game for strategic reasons

a lot of how i play is built around making scum act awkwardly around what i do and im trying to figure out which player is acting awkwardly in a scummy way around me

as a town player, you should be willing to consider the world in which i am town. in that world, i am honestly telling you that your perspective on pawn would help me understand whether i should trust him more or not, and help adjust my read on you if you're town.

[Epignosis]

what are your strongest reasons for liking pawn?

it doesnt give you pause on me that he strongly likes me and says im never lynch?

I am an adult capable of respecting someone's opinion that might be different than mine.

I am not here to determine those who will agree with me. I'm here to determine those who are lying to me.

i am town and i have lied in this game for strategic reasons

a lot of how i play is built around making scum act awkwardly around what i do and im trying to figure out which player is acting awkwardly in a scummy way around me

as a town player, you should be willing to consider the world in which i am town. in that world, i am honestly telling you that your perspective on pawn would help me understand whether i should trust him more or not, and help adjust my read on you if you're town.

Did you lie to me?

[iaafr]

i read this game by seeing if peoples thoughts and reads are real and consistent, among other things

if i ask for a read on pawn you should give it because if youre town you should have confidence it would help give me pause on you, who i am currently scumreading and considering voting

[iaafr]

what are your strongest reasons for liking pawn?

it doesnt give you pause on me that he strongly likes me and says im never lynch?

I am an adult capable of respecting someone's opinion that might be different than mine.

I am not here to determine those who will agree with me. I'm here to determine those who are lying to me.

i am town and i have lied in this game for strategic reasons

a lot of how i play is built around making scum act awkwardly around what i do and im trying to figure out which player is acting awkwardly in a scummy way around me

as a town player, you should be willing to consider the world in which i am town. in that world, i am honestly telling you that your perspective on pawn would help me understand whether i should trust him more or not, and help adjust my read on you if you're town.

Did you lie to me?

i have never lied in my life

[Epignosis]

i read this game by seeing if peoples thoughts and reads are real and consistent, among other things

if i ask for a read on pawn you should give it because if youre town you should have confidence it would help give me pause on you, who i am currently scumreading and considering voting

I told you my opinion on Pawn. Why are you belaboring the point?

[iaafr]

the way town players genuinely articulate their reads in their heads should be part of what htey consider their defense for myself

i feel like i should get cred for confidently reading spiny/boo d2 as town but i cant point it out right now how towny i made that read

[iaafr]

i read this game by seeing if peoples thoughts and reads are real and consistent, among other things

if i ask for a read on pawn you should give it because if youre town you should have confidence it would help give me pause on you, who i am currently scumreading and considering voting

I told you my opinion on Pawn. Why are you belaboring the point?

i need your reasons for why you trust him to evaluate whether its real or not

[iaafr]

the way town players genuinely articulate their reads in their heads should be part of what htey consider their defense for myself

i feel like i should get cred for confidently reading spiny/boo d2 as town but i cant point it out right now how towny i made that read

themselves*

[Epignosis]

I am going to focus on my task by temporarily pretending iaafr does not exist. This is temporary. I will circle back to a universe in which iaafr does exist.

[iaafr]

look, i'm playing now, i'm trying to sort your slots once more and i'm re-evaluating.

do your parts by explaining your reads. you're an english teacher, you don't realize what i want is for you to articulate WHY you townread pawn?

[Epignosis]

i read this game by seeing if peoples thoughts and reads are real and consistent, among other things

if i ask for a read on pawn you should give it because if youre town you should have confidence it would help give me pause on you, who i am currently scumreading and considering voting

I told you my opinion on Pawn. Why are you belaboring the point?

i need your reasons for why you trust him to evaluate whether its real or not

I already gave this. Nobody talked about it then.

Pawn LeLouch

Man, so many town reads being handed out like candy over here, there's gotta be some TMI underneath them.

Oh totes. The question is who is truthful and who is TMIing. Considering like half of the players have posted at least some reads by now. And that is something that will take a bit to figure out frankly due to needing more data points and associatives to work with. So it can be a concern but not one that should be at the forefront of your mind until at least D1 starts.

Okay.

Here’s a roughly ordered list from where I’m at now. Will try and write out comments for each person if I can later on but that might need to wait a bit due to school. So here's who I got before I needed to post.

Confirmed Town
Pawn Lelouch

Town
Creature

Town Lean
Master Radishes Love his interaction about Creature’s reaction and hard agree on hating the Sprityo post.
Iaafr
Epignosis
Vanity. His Nook insight is a towny type of insight and I have had that exact view on Michelle before in other games and have had it here already. It just feels like a genuine thought process.
Texas Cloverleaf

Null (+/neutral/-)
Evenstar (+)
MacDougall (+)
Nutella (+)
Spiny Creature(+) Note I am fully admitting to bias here due to the Hyena interactions but I just love her there, and while the content amount is low due to time, the actual content is good imo.

Benson (neutral)
112 (neutral)
Michelle (neutral) I fully admit I just have trouble reading her.
Juliets (Neutral) This is a weird one for me. Since she doesn’t actually have much content that is actually strong. Like she has it, but it all feels fairly shallow. However, I think her reaction to being stilted is real and as someone who is somewhat similar to that I can’t really endorse scum reads based on that due to not finding them accurate, and yes that does seem to be a fair bit of why people are scum reading her. So two conflicting views null out.
Jackofhearts2005 (neutral) Has the Creature read going for him but otherwise everything else is honestly very meh. It exists but that’s about it.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (neutral) There’s a passiveness and wishy washiness that I don’t really associate with town Nook but Vanity raised a really good point regarding him acting like a town who has been burned before which I can see. Two conflicting views null this out essentially.

Trustworthy Liberal (-)
Elephant (-)
Long Con (-)
TonyStarkPrime (-) So TSP has only a few things going on with him. The minor spat with Spiny, the one with me, and the relatively singleminded Juliets push. Spiny is a punctuation read that I find laughable on principle and am ignoring, the one on me I honestly didn't mind outside of his weird last sentence flip where he basically swapped to scum reading me at the end of the paragraph after leading up with town, since that was a strange look. Currently have this as a null - and their current position is currently tied directly to the opposite end as Juliets.

Scum Lean
Sprityo Mostly pure shitpost and the actual content post he put out was basically semi-incoherent when I looked through the ISO. Post #1413 exactly, is enough to drag him to scum lean,
Dragomir

Scum
Hyena
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Basically Don’t Exist yet and thus auto null (-) until more content.

DFaraday
Dom
Lady Lambdadelta
novaselinenever
Quin
Rej

Eh, fuck it. Both Hyena and Dragomir are fairly low, so I'm willing to take out the creep first. Since while I'm pretty damn sure he's one of the people who have been roleplaying their roles like Mac, he's still gross about it.

What makes you think Mac is roleplaying?

... wait, was it that one weird post way back, where Mac was strangely enthusiastic?

It was more of a series of posts from then but pretty much, yeah.

I think it could be hilarious if I started roleplaying mine. OR I could end up looking like Dragomir.

Do you think roleplaying is suspicious?

Not at all. When Dragomir is being a creep though when using what I believe roleplaying as an excuse, even as a bad joke, I don't see a reason to keep him around when he's already in my bottom 3 reads.

This is an early vote against Dragomir. The reasoning behind it isn’t strong, but it’s solid for a Day 1. I’m not really sure why Dragomir was “already in [your] bottom 3” prior to the creepiness, so perhaps you could elaborate on that Pawn.

hey pawn whatup

which reads of yours should I sheep rn

Drago or TSP are probs my top two scum rn. MR, Creature, Vanity town. Also feeling pretty good about Epi and Texas rn.

Okay.

fuckit bros let's kill drago

Let's go.

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

There’s a measure of enthusiasm here, as Pawn voted Dragomir a second time.

And thus the triad is broken and I can freely place my vote. Out of TL, Michelle, and Drago, Drago is by far the scummiest imo.

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

Third time’s a charm…

fuck is Day over

You have 12 minutes. Epi and Drago are main 2 wagons.

Like hell.

Off of vote numbers yeah you two are. Unless 112 has made a big enough resurgence to make it a 3 way competition.

> 112 5 votes

So they have then. 112 + Drago are the main two then.

This might not mean much at first glance, but at the time, I was certainly not a main candidate to be lynched, and I said as much. Why this is significant is that it means Pawn was unconcerned with keeping an eye on the poll in order to manipulate where the votes fell during crunch time.

++++

If I squint hard I could see a Dragomir teammate, but that last point resonates with me.

[iaafr]

I like Pawn. I have no intention of voting there.

this is your idea of an adequate answer to asking why you read him the way you do?

[iaafr]

and you havent re-evaluated him since then?

[iaafr]

you cant make an on the spot summary of why you like him?

[iaafr]

gotta copypaste the work you forged n1?

[Epignosis]

look, i'm playing now, i'm trying to sort your slots once more and i'm re-evaluating.

do your parts by explaining your reads. you're an english teacher, you don't realize what i want is for you to articulate WHY you townread pawn?

Just so everyone at home can keep up, iaafr can evaluate me, but I can't evaluate him, else he goes into ALL CAPS MODE. Fun stuff.

[Epignosis]

I like Pawn. I have no intention of voting there.

this is your idea of an adequate answer to asking why you read him the way you do?

Yes.

[sprityo]

y'all can act like it's a dumb tinfoil and I'll keep acting like y'all's susses of me are dumb tinfoils cuz from where I'm standing I believe in the latter far more

you gotta sell, rabbit

if you want to convince people you have to show them how they're wrong, not just insist they are

but none of them appear receptive to my way of townreading myself and just want me to defend against accusations in ways where I'd normally be quoting d1 posts

and if I think they're all scum and all the actual town are townreading me I can be satisfied with this gamestate

when have you ever played a mafia game that was that convenient

Once I played a game that allowed claiming but the host said it wouldn’t help us win but then we massclaimed and won really easily. Does that count?

[Epignosis]

and you havent re-evaluated him since then?

Nope.

[iaafr]

your way of evaluating me is dumb from my perspective and i have consider it a valid defense to treat it as such

[Epignosis]

you cant make an on the spot summary of why you like him?

Nope.

[Epignosis]

gotta copypaste the work you forged n1?

Yep.

[iaafr]

man my grammar is terrible rn the sleep deprivation is getting to me

[Epignosis]

your way of evaluating me is dumb from my perspective and i have consider it a valid defense to treat it as such

My way of evaluating you was asking you one question.

[Dom]

I like Pawn. I have no intention of voting there.

this is your idea of an adequate answer to asking why you read him the way you do?

Yes.

[iaafr]

your way of evaluating me is dumb from my perspective and i have consider it a valid defense to treat it as such

My way of evaluating you was asking you one question.

and i answered the question honestly and you decided to distrust my answer which is objectively incorrect in this game in which i am town so its a really dumb way of evaluating me if youre town

[Dom]

What's the best is that Epi's post contains way more content than any single rabbit post.

[iaafr]

i am speaking objective truth here

[iaafr]

What's the best is that Epi's post contains way more content than any single rabbit post.

youre the worst poster in this game

[Dom]

Pawn seems fine. I have no reason to suspect him or not suspect him.

[Dom]

What's the best is that Epi's post contains way more content than any single rabbit post.

youre the worst poster in this game

[mention]speedchuck[/mention]

[Epignosis]

your way of evaluating me is dumb from my perspective and i have consider it a valid defense to treat it as such

My way of evaluating you was asking you one question.

and i answered the question honestly and you decided to distrust my answer which is objectively incorrect in this game in which i am town so its a really dumb way of evaluating me if youre town

"Objectively incorrect."

I don't think you know what objectivity means.

You answered the question this way:

stop trying to teach me how to play

i predicted dragomir would end up the lynch that day 100% and i was right

i signalled over and over i didnt actually want to lynch 112 d1

my no lynch meant nothing in the scheme of things because i predicted things correctly

if you see me miss a game-losing vote in the postgame report then you can chastise me but as it stands i did not vote in a way that impeded scum being lynched so stop teaching me how to play in any capacity please

Your answer may well be the truth. If so, I am baffled.

It is not enough for me to call you good.

Therefore, you remain a suspect, especially in this limited environment.

[Dom]

This is wild, man.

[iaafr]

Pawn seems fine. I have no reason to suspect him or not suspect him.

[Dom]

your way of evaluating me is dumb from my perspective and i have consider it a valid defense to treat it as such

My way of evaluating you was asking you one question.

and i answered the question honestly and you decided to distrust my answer which is objectively incorrect in this game in which i am town so its a really dumb way of evaluating me if youre town

"Objectively incorrect."

I don't think you know what objectivity means.

You answered the question this way:

stop trying to teach me how to play

i predicted dragomir would end up the lynch that day 100% and i was right

i signalled over and over i didnt actually want to lynch 112 d1

my no lynch meant nothing in the scheme of things because i predicted things correctly

if you see me miss a game-losing vote in the postgame report then you can chastise me but as it stands i did not vote in a way that impeded scum being lynched so stop teaching me how to play in any capacity please

Your answer may well be the truth. If so, I am baffled.

It is not enough for me to call you good.

Therefore, you remain a suspect, especially in this limited environment.

All game aside-- it's not worth it.

[Epignosis]

i am speaking objective truth here

Is there a non-objective truth?

Objective:

"This chicken has garlic on it."

Subjective:

"This chicken tastes good."

[Epignosis]

Anyway, I'm going to finish my work and then focus on this swamp.

[iaafr]

is this how games are played here everybody fencesits on everybody except rabbit and people keep saying why rabbit could be scum and rabbit has the worst posts

dom you just insulted the contents of my posts and its not the first time youve done so

dont act like the victim

[iaafr]

i make a genuine reads list

with my actual perspective of the game

and you just act like its obviously fake and underwhelming and the worst thing in the game

and im supposed to just be like "ok yeah thats a valid response?" how am i supposed to respond to howve you treated me this game?

[Jackofhearts2005]

sorry my tongue is not as silver as the Elite Company you keep who apparently can regularly convince town that theyre wolves

this is the literal implication i am battling unless you admit you just perspective slipped and just painted yourself as scum which you wont

I convinced a townie I had recruited him into a cult that didn’t exist once. Forever my greatest accomplishment.

[Dom]

*stares in sprityo*

[iaafr]

you spend 90% of d2 tunneling me when the rules say you arent supposed to do that and you make 2 posts about radishes and mac maybe being scum and you do it by acting like my posts are shit

and youre still talking about how my posts have no content compared to epi's like this is going to get you my alignment?

[iaafr]

and i cant even like point out how it looked d2 now

[Dom]

*stares in jack*

[iaafr]

sorry my tongue is not as silver as the Elite Company you keep who apparently can regularly convince town that theyre wolves

this is the literal implication i am battling unless you admit you just perspective slipped and just painted yourself as scum which you wont

I convinced a townie I had recruited him into a cult that didn’t exist once. Forever my greatest accomplishment.

i wouldve fake claimed at least twice in this game by now if i couldve