Inception [END]

[Creature]

I have no fucking idea what is happening lol

[vanity.]

also iaafr is never a fucking wolf this game in the first place lol

maybe 3p but he was hard volume cleared on d1 and he knows it.

[nutella]

you have to have your own reasons for scumreading me nutella. so do tell.

I do believe I have. It has a lot to do with how eod3 went. And some of your tone, not the defeated part just a general lack of actual towniness, plus going back to d1 a constant defense that you aren't your full town self while also defending here with "I wouldn't have done x as scum"-- it's contradictory and hollow. "Hollow" is a good summary of your play imo. Your only actual stance is that elephant is scum and you have refused to acknowledge evidence he's not. It's extremely scummy that you are only focused on that.

[nutella]

And [mention]vanity.[/mention] you calling iaafr 3p is what I started with on seeing potential distancing

[Creature]

like what are the legitimate reasons for why i'm a wolf? i still don't understand. because of my pessimistic attitude? because i sporadically decide to not play the game? actually what?

if you want to get me out of the game because you don't like me, then that's fine. i have no qualms over that. if my lynch is a net positive for the game health, then lynch away.

Dunno

Now I'm afraid of you being scum and I being the Pariah for town

[nutella]

[mention]vanity.[/mention] elephant and juliets seem to basically vouch for each other afaict. It's not just town reads, it's something stronger. Your denial of that makes it seem like it's an inconvenience to you and you are trying to railroad past it to keep elephant in the spotlight. Not productive.

[Creature]

though I still think you're town

[Creature]

no one this game has defeated me. if anything how defeated me it's the game's length and somewhat my mental state. i know, that's vain, but that's how it is.

Hardy har har

I used to have him as an avatar

[Creature]

I feel like I'm still tainted with his personality

[vanity.]

you have to have your own reasons for scumreading me nutella. so do tell.

I do believe I have. It has a lot to do with how eod3 went. And some of your tone, not the defeated part just a general lack of actual towniness, plus going back to d1 a constant defense that you aren't your full town self while also defending here with "I wouldn't have done x as scum"-- it's contradictory and hollow. "Hollow" is a good summary of your play imo. Your only actual stance is that elephant is scum and you have refused to acknowledge evidence he's not. It's extremely scummy that you are only focused on that.

what evidence is there that elephant is town? hello???? what am i missing? is he like green peeked or something? because if he is, then someone made an illegal play.

and my game on d1 and my game now is much different. way more shit has happened that is legitimately indicative of my alignment that i've been trying to tell you. i might not be super obviously a villager, but that still doesn't mean i'm not one. i have done towny things on d2, d3, and today. there's nothing contradictory there, i'm just not in my super zoned in town game, and why the fuck do i need to be? this just seems like a silly, super experimental game. i'm not going to tryhard, definitely not now lol.

i know that some people village read me pretty well based on tone, but you should've went back to how you were reading me. tone isn't a consistent way to read me based on some other games i have been in.

[nutella]

also iaafr is never a fucking wolf this game in the first place lol

maybe 3p but he was hard volume cleared on d1 and he knows it.

Okay. Fine.

[Creature]

is there a minimum postcount? or can i just hardclaim wolf and just tell you guys to lynch me? i don't care if it's gamethrowing, if it gives you "information" on creature's alignment then maybe my impact on the game can be positive in a way.

It's not that useful info

The others should eat it up and admit my actions don't make sense as scum

Uh what?

unless you think I'm quite the daredevil scum

[Creature]

The most daredevil thing I've done as scum was constantly interacting with like everybody making fun of their reads after being outed as scum in some big MU mash

[Creature]

Can't wait for Jack to be that pesky third party

[Creature]

Can I die?

[vanity.]

@vanity. elephant and juliets seem to basically vouch for each other afaict. It's not just town reads, it's something stronger. Your denial of that makes it seem like it's an inconvenience to you and you are trying to railroad past it to keep elephant in the spotlight. Not productive.

okay and how is juliets necessarily a villager? that i suppose i also don't understand. she's done a couple villagery things but i'm still not comfortable with that being a townread mine. also i'm not in the thread all fucking day long, i had no knowledge of this at all. would it change my look at the game state? probably. but i'm not reading everything in the thread so i don't know how you possibly expect me to know that.

[nutella]

is there a minimum postcount? or can i just hardclaim wolf and just tell you guys to lynch me? i don't care if it's gamethrowing, if it gives you "information" on creature's alignment then maybe my impact on the game can be positive in a way.

It's not that useful info

The others should eat it up and admit my actions don't make sense as scum

Uh what?

unless you think I'm quite the daredevil scum

No I legit didn't understand what you were saying. What does "the others should eat it up" refer to

[Creature]

Uh oh guess I'm again without anything to post

[vanity.]

fwiw if there's some sort of alignment correlation between juliets and elephant that they can both confirm then they're probably both town

but then again... i thought we weren't supposed to out any information that we had?

[Creature]

is there a minimum postcount? or can i just hardclaim wolf and just tell you guys to lynch me? i don't care if it's gamethrowing, if it gives you "information" on creature's alignment then maybe my impact on the game can be positive in a way.

It's not that useful info

The others should eat it up and admit my actions don't make sense as scum

Uh what?

unless you think I'm quite the daredevil scum

No I legit didn't understand what you were saying. What does "the others should eat it up" refer to

Uh oh, urban dictionary won't be a good guide for this

Let's say it's "make believe" but in a more aggressive way

[vanity.]

what role would even let juliets and elephant know each other are town? there aren't any masonizers in this game that i know of. this seems out of left field for me.

[nutella]

fwiw if there's some sort of alignment correlation between juliets and elephant that they can both confirm then they're probably both town

but then again... i thought we weren't supposed to out any information that we had?

Idk, nobody has overtly said anything but I think I caught a hint or two that made me believe they're both town.

[nutella]

is there a minimum postcount? or can i just hardclaim wolf and just tell you guys to lynch me? i don't care if it's gamethrowing, if it gives you "information" on creature's alignment then maybe my impact on the game can be positive in a way.

It's not that useful info

The others should eat it up and admit my actions don't make sense as scum

Uh what?

unless you think I'm quite the daredevil scum

No I legit didn't understand what you were saying. What does "the others should eat it up" refer to

Uh oh, urban dictionary won't be a good guide for this

Let's say it's "make believe" but in a more aggressive way

I still don't know what you're talking about. I know what eat it up means. I don't understand the context. Who are the others? What will they eat up?

[nutella]

The Others from Lost?

[vanity.]

fwiw if there's some sort of alignment correlation between juliets and elephant that they can both confirm then they're probably both town

but then again... i thought we weren't supposed to out any information that we had?

Idk, nobody has overtly said anything but I think I caught a hint or two that made me believe they're both town.

then how do you expect anyone else to pick up on that? that's borderline insulting my intelligence.

[nutella]

what role would even let juliets and elephant know each other are town? there aren't any masonizers in this game that i know of. this seems out of left field for me.

I don't understand it either but I'm accepting it for now. If circumstances demand reconsidering I will, but I see it as most likely they are both town for now.

[vanity.]

"a hint or 2"

"C'MON MAN WTF IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THERE'S SOMETHING BETWEEN THEM"

respectfully, get the hell out of here.

[nutella]

fwiw if there's some sort of alignment correlation between juliets and elephant that they can both confirm then they're probably both town

but then again... i thought we weren't supposed to out any information that we had?

Idk, nobody has overtly said anything but I think I caught a hint or two that made me believe they're both town.

then how do you expect anyone else to pick up on that? that's borderline insulting my intelligence.

No, it was stated much more overtly by I think nanook and hyena that they deserve to be in the town core. I guess you just didn't read that part.

[nutella]

"a hint or 2"

"C'MON MAN WTF IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THERE'S SOMETHING BETWEEN THEM"

respectfully, get the hell out of here.

No, you really did miss something. Everyone else accepted that they belong in the towncore together. Some point in d3 I could find it for you. I promise I'm not insulting your intelligence, this actually happened.

[vanity.]

hyena should still be a question mark for everyone

nanook was the jk and just entered the thread, he should have no mechanical knowledge of juliets OR elephant, he wasn't in our group. he died last night.

what information am i actually missing here?

[vanity.]

i'm legit baffled by this lol.

[nutella]

And I asked you about it a few times before in response to your elephant suspicion but i guess you didn't know what I was referring to

[vanity.]

there legitimately is some huge neighborhood going on that i'm not apart of. evenstar might've been onto something in wc1.

[vanity.]

can someone kindly tell me what the independent cop is? this is sorta important.

[nutella]

@Elephant and @Long Con I need the low down on your current thoughts about juliets, asap.

Juliets is locked town for me. I'd rather not elaborate.

Juliets is in the towncore, no questions

If elephant is she is too

[mention]vanity.[/mention] here are a couple of references to it. I don't remember everything else that was said but I suppoooose it's technically possible that juliets is town and elephant is scum thats like buddying her hard but it feels unlikely with other things he has said. I may read back on it more and consider that possibility though.

[nutella]

there legitimately is some huge neighborhood going on that i'm not apart of. evenstar might've been onto something in wc1.

Lmao no.

[nutella]

can someone kindly tell me what the independent cop is? this is sorta important.

No idea.

[juliets]

can someone kindly tell me what the independent cop is? this is sorta important.

Hey vanity, I believe JJJ said in the post about the roles to direct any questions to him or Sloonei. I don't think we're allowed to talk about it in the game thread.

[Creature]

is there a minimum postcount? or can i just hardclaim wolf and just tell you guys to lynch me? i don't care if it's gamethrowing, if it gives you "information" on creature's alignment then maybe my impact on the game can be positive in a way.

It's not that useful info

The others should eat it up and admit my actions don't make sense as scum

Uh what?

unless you think I'm quite the daredevil scum

No I legit didn't understand what you were saying. What does "the others should eat it up" refer to

Uh oh, urban dictionary won't be a good guide for this

Let's say it's "make believe" but in a more aggressive way

I still don't know what you're talking about. I know what eat it up means. I don't understand the context. Who are the others? What will they eat up?

Long Con, probably Elephant and Hyena too

They all say I could be scum

[vanity.]

@Elephant and @Long Con I need the low down on your current thoughts about juliets, asap.

Juliets is locked town for me. I'd rather not elaborate.

Juliets is in the towncore, no questions

If elephant is she is too

@vanity. here are a couple of references to it. I don't remember everything else that was said but I suppoooose it's technically possible that juliets is town and elephant is scum thats like buddying her hard but it feels unlikely with other things he has said. I may read back on it more and consider that possibility though.

um.

maybe i'm reading into this too much but "rather not" doesn't equal "cannot", for starters. so that doesn't necessarily tell me that elephant has role information on juliets' alignment.

another thing is nanook seems to be assuming too much here. again, there's almost no mechanical way for nanook to have mechanical information on elephant's alignment. i think this is a nanook thing where he just gets too sure of himself, i've seen this happen to him in finale with lld.

also if elephant is like... actually the cop, i'd expect he would peek me? i understand there's certain amount of usages for actions but he suspected me on d2. unless he's like a 1-shot cop, i basically never ever believe he's the cop. but i doubt we can actually talk about this too much without getting into legitimate illegal territory

this is super weird for me btw lol. i'd expect that pr information to just be out there rather than having to beat around the bush with it.

[vanity.]

can someone kindly tell me what the independent cop is? this is sorta important.

Hey vanity, I believe JJJ said in the post about the roles to direct any questions to him or Sloonei. I don't think we're allowed to talk about it in the game thread.

1) woops, apologies.
2) no worries, i've answered my own question.

[nutella]

....Holy crap vanity thank you for making me revisit this whole thing. I don't think juliets ever actually vouched for elephant and the way I think this happened could actually be compatible with him being scum that has pocketed her. [mention]juliets[/mention] any thoughts that don't brush up against the rules? Do you think elephant could be scum here?

[nutella]

I feel dumb for blindly believing this tbh lol. You're right that elephant being in the towncore was just based on Nanook's read which may not be reliable.

[Long Con]

It's not that useful info

The others should eat it up and admit my actions don't make sense as scum

Uh what?

unless you think I'm quite the daredevil scum

No I legit didn't understand what you were saying. What does "the others should eat it up" refer to

Uh oh, urban dictionary won't be a good guide for this

Let's say it's "make believe" but in a more aggressive way

I still don't know what you're talking about. I know what eat it up means. I don't understand the context. Who are the others? What will they eat up?

Long Con, probably Elephant and Hyena too

They all say I could be scum

Ok but... like, I don't know if my actions "make sense" as scum or not. My actions are my actions. If I were scum, and I was aware of actions I could take to seem unscummy, then I would probably perform those actions.

The fact that you are acutely aware of just how unscummy your actions should be being received doesn't compute to me.

[nutella]

I'm having an epiphan-t here. Many things make a lot of sense with a scum elephant. I just want the ok from juliets before I vote for him.

[vanity.]

?

in a vacuum i don't think elephant is trying to pocket juliets if elephant is a wolf. at the very least i don't think it's intentional.

also i had another thing to say and completely forgot about it... whatever.

[vanity.]

oh i remember now. nutella, what's the likelihood you think there's a wolf between me and elephant?

[Long Con]

I feel dumb for blindly believing this tbh lol. You're right that elephant being in the towncore was just based on Nanook's read which may not be reliable.

Ok, then I don't get your big vanity turnaround today.

[vanity.]

in other news if it weren't obvious to me already nutella is absolutely town.

[nutella]

oh i remember now. nutella, what's the likelihood you think there's a wolf between me and elephant?

Idk, I don't like making up likelihoods and false dichotomies like that.