Inception [END]

[112]

Well that was a trip (quite literally I presume). Cool stuff.

No drugs involved, believe it or not

[MacDougall]

That's not what salad is you pleb

I know but it's something close to it and I thought it was an odd/random collection of names.

It's the players I feel least knowledgeable on. It shouldn't have any meaning to you. We have had different game experiences.

[nutella]

That's not what salad is you pleb

I know but it's something close to it and I thought it was an odd/random collection of names.

It's the players I feel least knowledgeable on. It shouldn't have any meaning to you. We have had different game experiences.

Yeah but they're like from different levels so I assume you have a liiitle more experience with some than others.

[112]

That's not what salad is you pleb

I know but it's something close to it and I thought it was an odd/random collection of names.

It's the players I feel least knowledgeable on. It shouldn't have any meaning to you. We have had different game experiences.

Does town nute normally attack everyone for everything?

[nutella]

Actually four out of five of them are from my group lol ok nvm. Why jack tho

[Pawn Lelouch]

Well that was a trip (quite literally I presume). Cool stuff.

No drugs involved, believe it or not

Yeah, that's the machine in a nutshell alright.

[nutella]

That's not what salad is you pleb

I know but it's something close to it and I thought it was an odd/random collection of names.

It's the players I feel least knowledgeable on. It shouldn't have any meaning to you. We have had different game experiences.

Does town nute normally attack everyone for everything?

How on earth did you (and michelle) see that as an attack?

I teased him a bit with "weird salad but ok" but I was just trying to figure out how he settled on those names bc they seemed weird to me. Not an attack at all. And most of them are from my group which makes sense now that I think about it.

[MacDougall]

Actually four out of five of them are from my group lol ok nvm. Why jack tho

Why what Jack? Are you asking why I don't have a clear read on Jack?

That's a question for Jack.

[MacDougall]

That's not what salad is you pleb

I know but it's something close to it and I thought it was an odd/random collection of names.

It's the players I feel least knowledgeable on. It shouldn't have any meaning to you. We have had different game experiences.

Does town nute normally attack everyone for everything?

If by attack mean drill people for every random unusual NAI thing she thinks remotely needs belabouring I would say yes that is very much exactly what she does.

[nutella]

Actually four out of five of them are from my group lol ok nvm. Why jack tho

Why what Jack? Are you asking why I don't have a clear read on Jack?

That's a question for Jack.

Well, didn't you say earlier you felt gut-bad about him like I do?

Idk that's fine I just found it strange he's on the same level as the people from my thread. You were with jack for at least one more day right

[MacDougall]

That's not what salad is you pleb

I know but it's something close to it and I thought it was an odd/random collection of names.

It's the players I feel least knowledgeable on. It shouldn't have any meaning to you. We have had different game experiences.

Does town nute normally attack everyone for everything?

How on earth did you (and michelle) see that as an attack?

I teased him a bit with "weird salad but ok" but I was just trying to figure out how he settled on those names bc they seemed weird to me. Not an attack at all. And most of them are from my group which makes sense now that I think about it.

I didn't feel attacked fwiw but it was like a random inconsequential thing for you to side eye me for hence my reaction. I notice a lot of non TS players aren't so accustomed to the machine gun style some of us utilise so it could just be that.

[MacDougall]

Actually four out of five of them are from my group lol ok nvm. Why jack tho

Why what Jack? Are you asking why I don't have a clear read on Jack?

That's a question for Jack.

Well, didn't you say earlier you felt gut-bad about him like I do?

Idk that's fine I just found it strange he's on the same level as the people from my thread. You were with jack for at least one more day right

Just one. Yes I do feel gut bad about him. I feel so in a way that is hard to explain ergo I need to explore that more.

[112]

That's not what salad is you pleb

I know but it's something close to it and I thought it was an odd/random collection of names.

It's the players I feel least knowledgeable on. It shouldn't have any meaning to you. We have had different game experiences.

Does town nute normally attack everyone for everything?

How on earth did you (and michelle) see that as an attack?

I teased him a bit with "weird salad but ok" but I was just trying to figure out how he settled on those names bc they seemed weird to me. Not an attack at all. And most of them are from my group which makes sense now that I think about it.

You seem defensive. I was simply asking about your meta before even rendering judgment, and you still find something to criticize there?

[Michelle]

Also- I'm probably way behind everyone- but the eva/MR/Sprityo thing is important to solve.

I've played 100s of games with MR and do not like him here, honestly

Elephant got mislynched Vanity and you ignore him? Please let me know your oppinion on him.

I haven't read any posts from him since I left his environs with a hard scum lean on him d1.

So i guess nothing should have changed there. We can lynch him.

Wasn't aware he mld vanity

this is what i understand after talking with Nutella, he was the one pushing for that lynch.

and she's right, here are some posts from his Iso's I spoilered them

Spoiler: show

ask yourselves this:

i flip. what happens next? think about it from a town flip, a mafia flip, or a 3p flip. what do you guys do?

a) kick something really hard and watch a violent movie
b) job well done, feel good!
c) Lady Luck smiled upon us, we're the best!

this is what a wolf would say. Answer a) is never a compassionate posting from a fellow townie.

why are you bringing up quin's d1 reads elephant? this seems sorta random.

I looked at the voting poll, saw Quin and LLD not on there, and wanted to lay some groundwork for tomorrow. This might be my last chance.

You are safe and sound though.

this is setting a future milslynch because a town who lets ideas for next day is more active and obvious about them.

trying to solve quin's alignment i suppose. i just find it weird that you're trying to iso quin and stuff and go about it unbiasedly but ever since you cased me you never stopped tunneling me.

Quin wasn't very active today, and Lady LD had a single post, I think? They just flew under the radar because we were preoccupied, and somone suggested to lynch inside the "old guard". This is a bit of a prod with view to tomorrow that these guys can't keep slanking. (Well, I haven't gotten to LLD yet.)

Quinn gave me such a townish vibe in the dream that this push for him looks extremely bad for Elephant.
I honestly don't know what to do with my SR on LLD based on that. If it's not bussing then LLD is just lazy town. idk..

Generally talking about theory and wagonomics even if the last is useful if you have a scum flip not only mislynches. This is not game cobtribution is filling the thread with open wolfing.

I need a break but what i've read is strenghtening the read even more.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

[Michelle]

[mention]Pawn Lelouch[/mention] please consider my SR on Elephant and give me your feedback.

[Elephant]

Elephant, it might just be me but you seem a tad more... overwhelmed(???) today with everyone back? Like, I don't feel like you're trying to have as much influence over the thread as you did the past couple days, whereas nutella is still, like, consistently showing her presence here.

I feel as overwhelmed as I was on D0 and D1; please also consider that SoD is midnight for me. I was surprised myself to to see you un-vote and un-use your vote; I took that as a sign that you are somewhat disoriented as well, is that correct? The sane thing to do seems to be to finally find the scum we have been hunting for in our group, since everyone has access to our posts, but we can only see their D0/D1 work.

[Michelle]

[mention]MacDougall[/mention]
[mention]nutella[/mention]
cool down folks, let's not help mafia with this, i TR you both !

[Quin]

10 pages to read, i can do this today.

My mafia reads from previous days Dom, Elephant, probably LLD and I need to read for more.
Town reads Quin, Pawn, probably all others in the last 2 days when we played in 5 except LLD

AMA

odd considering you made a point in the other thread that you couldn't read me without content, which i very clearly did not provide

how's that work?

[Michelle]

10 pages to read, i can do this today.

My mafia reads from previous days Dom, Elephant, probably LLD and I need to read for more.
Town reads Quin, Pawn, probably all others in the last 2 days when we played in 5 except LLD

AMA

odd considering you made a point in the other thread that you couldn't read me without content, which i very clearly did not provide

how's that work?

night rereading and i can quote what gave me the read after searching.

Now that you are here, what do you think about Vanity's mislynch and my scum reads on Elephant and Dom.
Also what in your oppinion could cause Creature's NK?

[Elephant]

Anyway, 112 and Evenstar are the two people I want lynched. 112 to see if D1's wagons were v/w or w/w, and Evenstar just for stuff at EoD1.

Yup. Come at me.

I just said I wanted to hunt in our group. What would a 112 lynch really do for us? Whom would it help solve for you?

Subconscious Phase 1
Consolidated tally, easier to read

[10] Dragomir - Benson, nutella, vanity., Long Con, Master Radishes, Hyena, Trustworthy Liberal, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Pawn Lelouch, juliets
[7] 112 - Creature, Evenstar, TonyStarkPrime, novaselinenever, Elephant, Epignosis, Jackofhearts2005
[3] Evenstar - Texas Cloverleaf, sprityo, Quin
[2] Hyena - Dom, Michelle
[2] No Lynch - iaafr, boo
[1] Epignosis - MacDougall
[1] MacDougall - Dragomir
[1] nutella - Lady LambdaDelta
[1] Trustworthy Liberal - 112

DFaraday and Rej did not vote.

[Michelle]

quoting from closed thread by copy pasting and remake inside quotes is a pain in the ass -_-

Quin
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MacDougall wrote: ↑I wanna know what @Quin thinks about all this?

he's pretty tired and regretful of not keeping up but unashamedly thinks he'll do better once more of you are dead

but not you mac, you should live

Mac is a TR i have. I tried to make reads step by step. If you want him alive you cannot be mafia. Also if you are scumbuddies in the idea i am wrong reading him town then you would word this different.

I thought a lot at why scum would talk like that. I didn't find any. You posted like a honestly busy person.

Please lmk if i am wrong.

[Elephant]

More Evenstar and 112 stuff:

I still believe 112 was mafia as well.

Drago went after them very early in the game. Would he do that to a new teammate he's unfamiliar with?

lol, I remember this interaction and I remember thinking it was "over the top" enough that it could have been a w/w interaction based on the model I have in my head of Eva's playstyle. In this case, I think it would've been an attempt to distance from Dragomir. She also explicitly said that even though she didn't like Dragomir, she didn't want to lynch him yesterday, which was why had her vote on 112.

Interestingly enough, 112's vote was ON Evenstar, so they were both voting each other EoD.

My vote wasn't on Eva. LAL.

You were voting Trustworthy Liberal. You now have 4 days worth of ISO on him accessible, do you still want to lynch him?

[Elephant]

Also- I'm probably way behind everyone- but the eva/MR/Sprityo thing is important to solve.

I've played 100s of games with MR and do not like him here, honestly

Elephant got mislynched Vanity and you ignore him? Please let me know your oppinion on him.

I haven't read any posts from him since I left his environs with a hard scum lean on him d1.

So i guess nothing should have changed there. We can lynch him.

Wasn't aware he mld vanity

this is what i understand after talking with Nutella, he was the one pushing for that lynch.

and she's right, here are some posts from his Iso's I spoilered them

Spoiler: show

ask yourselves this:

i flip. what happens next? think about it from a town flip, a mafia flip, or a 3p flip. what do you guys do?

a) kick something really hard and watch a violent movie
b) job well done, feel good!
c) Lady Luck smiled upon us, we're the best!

this is what a wolf would say. Answer a) is never a compassionate posting from a fellow townie.

why are you bringing up quin's d1 reads elephant? this seems sorta random.

I looked at the voting poll, saw Quin and LLD not on there, and wanted to lay some groundwork for tomorrow. This might be my last chance.

You are safe and sound though.

this is setting a future milslynch because a town who lets ideas for next day is more active and obvious about them.

trying to solve quin's alignment i suppose. i just find it weird that you're trying to iso quin and stuff and go about it unbiasedly but ever since you cased me you never stopped tunneling me.

Quin wasn't very active today, and Lady LD had a single post, I think? They just flew under the radar because we were preoccupied, and somone suggested to lynch inside the "old guard". This is a bit of a prod with view to tomorrow that these guys can't keep slanking. (Well, I haven't gotten to LLD yet.)

Quinn gave me such a townish vibe in the dream that this push for him looks extremely bad for Elephant.
I honestly don't know what to do with my SR on LLD based on that. If it's not bussing then LLD is just lazy town. idk..

Generally talking about theory and wagonomics even if the last is useful if you have a scum flip not only mislynches. This is not game cobtribution is filling the thread with open wolfing.

I need a break but what i've read is strenghtening the read even more.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

It looks like you are scumreading me because
a) I pushed vanity for three days,
b) I feel very frustrated that vanity did not turn out to be the scum lynch we needed,
c) I survived the night,
d) you had more information and a better read on Quin than I do.
Is that correct?

[Master Radishes]

Was it Long Con who switched from 112 to Drago literally last minute in order to secure Drago's lynch? Hyena was also a final minute voter on Drago?

Any scum on Drago were either there early and couldn't get off, or a last minute hammer for cred.



Okay, some catching up to do. Let's go.

[Master Radishes]

This was my case from Limbo:

Spoiler: show

The case against Evenstar

Her tone felt wrong:
--The vast majority of her posts from D2 were very small contributions, very much lacking in scumhunting, and mainly a stream-of-consciousness tone full of ‘…’s and ‘?’s and ‘what if’s. (And adverbs.) For example, her biggest post of D2 was a stream-of-consciousness ‘what if’ rant about the mechanics of the strange new game state and its restrictions. That itself is fine, if it goes anywhere, but her tone was mongering uncertainty, rather than being focused on actually figuring it out. She throws out thoughts about 8 scum in the thread, or no scum, etc – unlikely scenarios that don’t add to mechanics-solving.

--Along the same vein, at other points of the round she speculated on a triple scumwagon on D1 (Epi/112/Drago), entertained notions about what the phrase ‘up a level’ means, suggested forming in-game hydras…things that don’t contribute to discussion. They’re distractions.

--For someone who is known for an in-your-face style and who self-describes her style as pressuring until scum are revealed, she did remarkably little of that. Who did she pressure lately? Pawn? That lasted less than a page and she backed down quickly. In D1 she was a bulldog, but by D2 she was a puppy.


As for her actual content:
--She started D2 going after Pawn although quickly backed off that. She said Pawn ‘gave me bad info at dayend’ about Mac ‘crusading’ the Epi wagon. Pawn basically reaffirmed he believed what he said and Eva…just backed off. And she TRed Pawn the rest of the round. Then, in D3, Jack and I began discussing Pawn very lightly as a read (Jack refused to really discuss anything) and Eva comes in and rips him apart. Pawn responds and Eva…backs off. Like, very easily. Just a ‘okay, that puts my mind at ease, thanks’ sort of reaction (that’s not an actual quote – I didn’t note it down). The fangs retracted very quickly.

--Most of her posts that actually focused on pressuring potential scum in D2 were focused on Jack. And yet Jack only once appeared in her ‘bottom 3’ lists that day, and there was no real push to lynch him at any point. She also never really outright cased him, just said he ‘deserves pressure’ and picks up on a few minor inconsistencies.

--Her reads remained fairly static in D2, with only a couple exceptions. Aside from briefly SRing Pawn, and switching her read on 112 halfway through (which in turn reversed her read of Epi), the most she changed her reads was at the end when she started proposing low posters like Dom and Colin as lynch targets, after ignoring them as she had done up to that point. She kept Nova in her bottom 3, SRed me consistently (but without any real explanation beyond OMGUS), shaded Jack (but rarely openly stateed an SR of him), and avoided serious comment on most others. It really looked like she was playing to slip by unnoticed.

--As we approached the end of D2, Sprit became a last minute choice amongst several of us. Eva began to softly defend Sprit. She even said she hopes to ‘nail’ me if Sprit flipped green. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen someone say that sort of thing and flip green themselves. Also, Sprit was in the same ‘content range’ category as Nova, Dom, and Colin, who she continued to SR.

--She spent a fair chunk of time in the middle of D2 complaining about the lack of voting ability. She said it hinders her style of game (this is fair) and tells me at one point she intends to change that. She then…doesn’t. Like, even into D3, I don’t remember anything notable she did except her Pawn push.

--D3 she’s very blendy, IMO. I actually don’t remember much of what she did. Probably should’ve written some of it down.


Not to mention:
--Her vote in D1 tied Drago with 112 at 8-8 with 3 mins left. We were that close to not lynching a wolf due to her vote. (And, of course, others.)

--The Nook and Pawn (that’s still my assumption) kill choices fit her. They’re players she’s familiar with and will worry could read her correctly.

--Her entrance to this round was…interesting. She votes Sprityo immediately but gives some blah blah about me being the ‘correct lynch’ but she’s assuming she’s wrong. It's illogical. It also feels way too much like she knew *I’m* the one she needs to convince, since I’ve SRed both her and Sprit fairly heavily. She didn't start pressuring me this round until I made it clear I was leaning towards her.

--Her reasoning for me being potential scum has been full of misrememberings (I’ll avoid saying ‘lies’ since she may genuinely misremember.)

Added to that from our Limbo phase, she:
--constantly created narratives about what my intentions were ('you did x to justify y, and then you hastily backtracked...')
--insisted I was lying about trivial matters like whether Jack was SRing me (reminded me of 'BULLSHIT YOU'RE THE VOYEUR' and I even posted that at one point)
--seriously gave me the 'yes, and that's very convenient...' retaliation upon me not being around for certain events because of my timezone
--spent most of the time speculating on every possible combo of scum under the sun, literally hundreds of words that went nowhere and acheived nothing but make her look like she was thinking hard
--followed me immediately when I exaggerated my read on sprit (I wanted to see her reaction when I pretended to back off her and consider sprit; she took the bait and went for 'hmm, yes, and did you also notice that...' type posts)
--didn't stick to her sprit read and try to convince me, but instead switched to me right at :00 once sprit voted me


I'm sure there's more, but yeah.

Lol basically what I'm getting here is that Eva, pawn, and jack are all scum together. Except you think she killed pawn? Whereas I think pawn killed nanook for similar reasons as you think Eva did, and I think both pawn and Eva could be scum together meaning pawn was lynched not nked? Who else left the same time as pawn?

Also you seem to be assuming 112 is town. How confident are you about that?

I don't know that Jack is scum. He's not explaining his reads much, and something about it seems townie to me. Pawn...well, I posted a spicy take on D3 of an Eva/Pawn team.

I don't know that 112 is town. But I don't think it prevents there being a scum attempt to save Drago with >10 minutes left. (And if Eva, somehow, in some way, flips green, LC and Hyena are confirmed scum for securing the Drago lynch, IMO.)

112...well, nothing I see disqualifies a townie there. But that's a read.

[Elephant]

I wonder if mafia had access to all the game threads. If that's the case, they could have seen the people here D2 having doubts about Evenstar and 112 and started pushing those two in preparation for when we all joined back up here.

Didn't you see Epignosis reading here?

[Master Radishes]

Follow-on:

D3 it was Pawn and Colin who left our level. E/S/me weren't clear who was what, because both were in people's bottom 3s by EoD. I favour Colin as the lynch, though, as he doesn't make any sense as an NK.

[Michelle]

Also- I'm probably way behind everyone- but the eva/MR/Sprityo thing is important to solve.

I've played 100s of games with MR and do not like him here, honestly

Elephant got mislynched Vanity and you ignore him? Please let me know your oppinion on him.

I haven't read any posts from him since I left his environs with a hard scum lean on him d1.

So i guess nothing should have changed there. We can lynch him.

Wasn't aware he mld vanity

this is what i understand after talking with Nutella, he was the one pushing for that lynch.

and she's right, here are some posts from his Iso's I spoilered them

Spoiler: show

ask yourselves this:

i flip. what happens next? think about it from a town flip, a mafia flip, or a 3p flip. what do you guys do?

a) kick something really hard and watch a violent movie
b) job well done, feel good!
c) Lady Luck smiled upon us, we're the best!

this is what a wolf would say. Answer a) is never a compassionate posting from a fellow townie.

why are you bringing up quin's d1 reads elephant? this seems sorta random.

I looked at the voting poll, saw Quin and LLD not on there, and wanted to lay some groundwork for tomorrow. This might be my last chance.

You are safe and sound though.

this is setting a future milslynch because a town who lets ideas for next day is more active and obvious about them.

trying to solve quin's alignment i suppose. i just find it weird that you're trying to iso quin and stuff and go about it unbiasedly but ever since you cased me you never stopped tunneling me.

Quin wasn't very active today, and Lady LD had a single post, I think? They just flew under the radar because we were preoccupied, and somone suggested to lynch inside the "old guard". This is a bit of a prod with view to tomorrow that these guys can't keep slanking. (Well, I haven't gotten to LLD yet.)

Quinn gave me such a townish vibe in the dream that this push for him looks extremely bad for Elephant.
I honestly don't know what to do with my SR on LLD based on that. If it's not bussing then LLD is just lazy town. idk..

Generally talking about theory and wagonomics even if the last is useful if you have a scum flip not only mislynches. This is not game cobtribution is filling the thread with open wolfing.

I need a break but what i've read is strenghtening the read even more.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

It looks like you are scumreading me because
a) I pushed vanity for three days,
b) I feel very frustrated that vanity did not turn out to be the scum lynch we needed,
c) I survived the night,
d) you had more information and a better read on Quin than I do.
Is that correct?

no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.


What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?

[Elephant]

I wonder if mafia had access to all the game threads. If that's the case, they could have seen the people here D2 having doubts about Evenstar and 112 and started pushing those two in preparation for when we all joined back up here.

Didn't you see Epignosis reading here?

I should rephrase that. One of us spotted Epignosis as viewing this thread D2. I don't remember who it was, it might have been Hyena. I don't remember what we concluded from it, but the "access" suggestion pinged this recollection.

[Michelle]

Was it Long Con who switched from 112 to Drago literally last minute in order to secure Drago's lynch? Hyena was also a final minute voter on Drago?

Any scum on Drago were either there early and couldn't get off, or a last minute hammer for cred.



Okay, some catching up to do. Let's go.

can we NOT go again against a day 1 mafia voter?
I made the wagons on paper except day 1 and i will post them to be easy annalised later.
Wagonomics may help after at least one more mafia flip.

[Master Radishes]

lol, Eva, why are you shitting on Epi's wall of reads? I thought they were pretty cool. I wish I had seen them sooner. I like Epi a whole lot more today than I did D1. <3

because it's the same wall of reads he's been posting every day since literally the start of D2, and I am salty that this has been good enough to let him pass for town for this entire time

I am town, Pawn is town, Rabbit is town, Epi is scum, Radishes is scum.

Since apparently everybody is copy pasting shit, here's what I happen to have on Radishes from D4 still. Unlike some other people here I did not spend the whole night prepping for this.



[Radishes,] What I mean by "wobbly and inconsistent" is that you don't seem to really believe your own reads.

The fact that your reads have shifted over time is not inherently a bad thing, and in fact too-static reads are often a scumtell: what I take issue with is how your reads have shifted. I expect to be able to understand your reasoning for why certain people are town or scum, since we come from a similar environment and you claim to have some idea how my brain works and how to pitch me a case, but everything you've personally come up with has left me cold.

Exhibit A: Me
You called me scum D2&3 based on my late D1 vote, then said you were having doubts early in D3 and used that to justify accepting Spiny's post as a clear on me. When me and Pawn called you on it, you backtracked hastily. Today you're maintaining that your heavy scumread of me remained strong for the whole day. So what you said about having doubts on D3 was a lie, then?

Exhibit B: Jack
You scumread Jack early in D3, putting him in your bottom 3 IIRC. He remained there for some time, and then I made my post about how the current PoE felt bad and I thought Jack, Colin, Dom, Sprityo were all bad cases and that Jack in particular was ML bait because he has no defenders at all. You seemed vaguely convinced by this and moved off your scumread, but returned to it later in the day for reasons that aren't really clear to me, and AFAIK that was where you left off. Now you're saying that you reversed your position again and hard-townread Jack? I don't understand the reasoning behind your flip-flops here.

Exhibit C: Pawn, Epi, Rabbit
Throughout the entire day you were "townreading" Pawn with a deeply uncertain tone. I don't recall if you actually flipped on him when I pushed him, but I definitely don't recall you defending him... and checking my spreadsheet here, it looks like one of your final 3 options was Pawn.

Epi, on the other hand, you entered the day scumreading... and then slowly slid into a townread based IIRC on his push of Rabbit, which to my eyes was excessive and unfair. You did this while townreading Rabbit, and made no attempt to break up the conflict between two of your townreads. It feels extremely convenient to me that you slid into townreading Epi in this fashion.

Furthermore, when Pawn and Epi were scumreading each other, you stood aside and let them duke it out without significantly contributing one way or the other. I can see a towny motive for this if both your reads of them were highly uncertain, but my recorded votes say you had Pawn in your bottom 3 and Epi not at this point, so that seems unlikely. I think you did make a brief post about Pawn "slanking" or "coasting" at one point, but I certainly don't recall any major contributions from you at EoD. (Unless it was you who was tinfoiling a Pawn/me scumteam? I'm fairly sure that was earlier in the day anyway.)

In Summary:
My general impression of you is that your scumread of me is your only controversial opinion. You slid towards "Jack is town" following me; you slid towards "Pawn is scum" following Epi. You claim to have only townread Pawn in the first place based on the fact that Rabbit thought he was town. You backed off your position that I was scum very quickly when Spiny's post came up, and then backed right back onto it just as quickly when I called you out on it.

You try not to get involved in conflicts in the thread, and are particularly likely to ambiguously-townread strong players like Epi and Pawn. It seems important to you that perceptive people like Epi not have reason to look at you too close: while I'm also known as a strong player, it's a lot easier to brush off suspicion from me than from someone like Epignosis, which makes your persistent scumread of me slot quite neatly into a world where I'm being framed.

As for your analysis content, I recall one solid analysis post at the beginning of D2 regarding the votals, and thereafter your reads have felt confused, vague and underspecified. I've had to prod you for reasoning multiple times, and I've rarely been satisfied with what I get out of you in response. It's also notable that you have significant falloff in contributions over time: Sprityo posts less than you, but they're much more consistent, and there's significant evidence of real heavy lifting behind the scenes. Given that most of what they've done is bullwork, this is a weaker towntell than I'd like, but they score points for getting louder in lylo while you seem to be becoming quieter.

And naturally I've responded to this already from Limbo.

Basically, a bunch of it is wrong or exaggerated; narratives were mconstructed; she tried to make herself out to have engaged with me more than she actually did; and the 'evidence' she chose was flimsy at times (e.g. me not being in the thread during times when I was asleep IRL).


Reposting my response:

Spoiler: show

Geezus Eva – sorry if this is a backhanded compliment, but that may be your best post of the game. THIS is the player I’ve been expecting but not seeing. *cough*fightingforsurvival*cough*

I mean, it’s got a lot wrong with it, but points for trying anyway.

Evenstar wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:01 pm
I expect to be able to understand your reasoning for why certain people are town or scum, since we come from a similar environment and you claim to have some idea how my brain works and how to pitch me a case, but everything you've personally come up with has left me cold.

Do we come from a similar environment? I don’t know that we do. I rarely play away from my homesite and I’ve not played ‘competitive’ Mafia (as it were) in years. I just happened to watch Champs this year (to cheer on 112) and JJJ twisted my arm to join (he and I go back to Season 2).

I also don’t claim to know how your brain works. I only claim to have watched a couple games of yours, heard your rep, discussed you in spec chat, etc. Your style of playing is, I believe, actually quite different from mine.

Evenstar wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:01 pm
You called me scum D2&3 based on my late D1 vote, then said you were having doubts early in D3 and used that to justify accepting Spiny's post as a clear on me. When me and Pawn called you on it, you backtracked hastily. Today you're maintaining that your heavy scumread of me remained strong for the whole day. So what you said about having doubts on D3 was a lie, then?

Creating narratives won’t work on me, fyi. I did not use anything to ‘justify’ anything. And I certainly did not backtrack ‘hastily’. (Who was saying things about adverbs being scumtells? I like the theory, I’ve decided.) There’s been no lie about my read on you.

Let’s try again.

After townreading you D1 for a generally solid tone, your vote pinged me, and I put your name forward as an option. Iaafr, Pawn, Epi, and even Jack all shut me down. Look, say what you want about me, but I’m a team player – if my team tells me I’m wrong, I’ve learned to listen. Now, I’m not calling all of them villagers, but certainly at the time I read most of them as such, and still do to various extents. So I shrugged and backed off.

As is natural, yes, doubts crept in. And I did try to recalibrate my view of the game and create a town!Eva world. I didn’t really get anywhere, though, because I couldn’t get it out of my mind. I hoped the dream levels would re-combine or something and I would get different opinions and/or not be in a level with you. (And now here we are. Sigh.)

In D3, Rabbit brought up the Spiny post. As a general rule of thumb, I always err on the side of believing claims, even if I have doubts. So yes, I latched on to that as a means to force me to stop tunneling. And still no one else was expressing doubt about you anyway, so I did feel on an island. And I simply don’t have the time or energy in this game to make everyone swim to my island. (Not sure that metaphor made sense…) So I let it be and continued to focus on looking for scum through other methods.


I’ll continue this train of thought in a future post. Let’s continue responding to your points.

Evenstar wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:01 pm
You scumread Jack early in D3, putting him in your bottom 3 IIRC. He remained there for some time, and then I made my post about how the current PoE felt bad and I thought Jack, Colin, Dom, Sprityo were all bad cases and that Jack in particular was ML bait because he has no defenders at all. You seemed vaguely convinced by this and moved off your scumread, but returned to it later in the day for reasons that aren't really clear to me, and AFAIK that was where you left off. Now you're saying that you reversed your position again and hard-townread Jack? I don't understand the reasoning behind your flip-flops here.

You have misremembered and/or misinterpreted.

First of all, where do you get the idea any post you made changed my mind on anything? You were not the first to suggest the low-posting PoE felt bad; in fact, I was on that as early as D2. I had a brief discussion with Pawn about it. (He basically shrugged at it and said it was the best PoE for now.)

My read on Jack has bounced like a yo-yo, that’s true, but it’s been doing that all game because he posted so much whilst saying so little and refused to engage in conversations or really explain his reads in more than a brief sentence. I can’t read that style well, so my read has bounced around. As explained in an above post directed at Sprityo, I did a list near the end of D3 and found decent reasons to TR Jack, whereas my SR had always been for fairly lazy ‘he’s not doing much’ reasons.

Evenstar wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:01 pm
Throughout the entire day you were "townreading" Pawn with a deeply uncertain tone. I don't recall if you actually flipped on him when I pushed him, but I definitely don't recall you defending him... and checking my spreadsheet here, it looks like one of your final 3 options was Pawn.

Explained above to Sprit. Pawn’s posts showed a similar thought process to mine, so that made me a bit concerned but overall made me TR him. I wasn’t around when you pushed him, and concluded it hadn’t changed my opinion. He ended up in my final 3 by PoE as I didn’t find a better reason to TR him than I did for a couple others who had been hovering down my list, e.g. Jack.

Evenstar wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:01 pm
Epi, on the other hand, you entered the day scumreading... and then slowly slid into a townread based IIRC on his push of Rabbit, which to my eyes was excessive and unfair. You did this while townreading Rabbit, and made no attempt to break up the conflict between two of your townreads. It feels extremely convenient to me that you slid into townreading Epi in this fashion.

False. Epi was a town read all of D3. It was strengthened by the Rabbit thing, that's true. But it was D2 I started the day uncertain on Epi, and had changed by the end of the phase.

Evenstar wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:01 pm
I think you did make a brief post about Pawn "slanking" or "coasting" at one point, but I certainly don't recall any major contributions from you at EoD. (Unless it was you who was tinfoiling a Pawn/me scumteam? I'm fairly sure that was earlier in the day anyway.)

It was me, but you’re right it was earlier.

There were no major contributions at EoD because I wasn’t here.

Evenstar wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:01 pm
You slid towards "Jack is town" following me; you slid towards "Pawn is scum" following Epi. You claim to have only townread Pawn in the first place based on the fact that Rabbit thought he was town. You backed off your position that I was scum very quickly when Spiny's post came up, and then backed right back onto it just as quickly when I called you out on it.

All of these are false. You're either trying to create a narrative about me being a follower, or you misremember my posts/the timing of them.

Evenstar wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:01 pm
You try not to get involved in conflicts in the thread, and are particularly likely to ambiguously-townread strong players like Epi and Pawn. It seems important to you that perceptive people like Epi not have reason to look at you too close: while I'm also known as a strong player, it's a lot easier to brush off suspicion from me than from someone like Epignosis, which makes your persistent scumread of me slot quite neatly into a world where I'm being framed.

That's another nice narrative, but also not true. I would agree I’m not a ‘confrontational’ player, but at the same time all the ‘conflicts’ have happened when I haven’t been in the thread. So I haven't exactly been able to get involved.

You could categorise my TRs of Epi and Pawn as ambiguous, sure. Or perhaps 'uncertain'? Weren’t you just defending my accusations of your ‘uncertainty’ by pointing out that’s a towntell? My reads of Epi and Pawn have fluctuated between varying levels of certainty, and I see nothing wrong with that.

(Also, for the record, I’d rather Epi come after me than you. You’re scary when you want to be.)

Evenstar wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:01 pm
As for your analysis content, I recall one solid analysis post at the beginning of D2 regarding the votals, and thereafter your reads have felt confused, vague and underspecified.

This is…fair. Or, rather, I feel that’s not the case, but enough people have said something like this to me so far that I can accept I’m not making myself as clear as I need to be. It’s a bit unfair to attack my lack of analysis, though, considering there’s very little to analyse without past threads, and I could easily say the same about you.

Also, I love ‘votals’. Haven’t seen that one before.

Evenstar wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:01 pm
I've had to prod you for reasoning multiple times,

You have done no such thing. You’ve engaged me about twice in this game. I was paying attention because I was waiting for a post such as this and never got it.

Evenstar wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:01 pm
but they score points for getting louder in lylo while you seem to be becoming quieter.

Completely unfair. My timezone is different from yours and I’ve explained that today was particularly busy for me. I have about 3 hours max per day on for this game, and a lot of that has been spent simply reading up. As for this round, it started at 11pm for me, and so I’ve had all of one hour this morning so far.


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My concern with your reasoning here is that so much seems predicated on things that are twisted, misrepresented, or in some cases simply untrue. Suggesting my reads have felt ‘confused, vague, and underspecified’ is the best thing about it, as you’re not the only player so far to feel that way, so clearly I’ve not done a good enough job projecting my thoughts. But essentially everything else feels more like you’re scraping the barrel for reasons to cast doubt on me in any way you can.

Quotes not working so colour-coding my responses.

[Michelle]

I wonder if mafia had access to all the game threads. If that's the case, they could have seen the people here D2 having doubts about Evenstar and 112 and started pushing those two in preparation for when we all joined back up here.

Didn't you see Epignosis reading here?

I should rephrase that. One of us spotted Epignosis as viewing this thread D2. I don't remember who it was, it might have been Hyena. I don't remember what we concluded from it, but the "access" suggestion pinged this recollection.

Epi made in the dream thread annalysis for everyone and he was the only one who helped us with day 1 content and also with the day 1 VC.
Instantly a TR was received, and i dont need to tinfoil there.

why don't you ask what happened instead posting shades?

[Elephant]

Also- I'm probably way behind everyone- but the eva/MR/Sprityo thing is important to solve.

I've played 100s of games with MR and do not like him here, honestly

Elephant got mislynched Vanity and you ignore him? Please let me know your oppinion on him.

I haven't read any posts from him since I left his environs with a hard scum lean on him d1.

So i guess nothing should have changed there. We can lynch him.

Wasn't aware he mld vanity

this is what i understand after talking with Nutella, he was the one pushing for that lynch.

and she's right, here are some posts from his Iso's I spoilered them

Spoiler: show

ask yourselves this:

i flip. what happens next? think about it from a town flip, a mafia flip, or a 3p flip. what do you guys do?

a) kick something really hard and watch a violent movie
b) job well done, feel good!
c) Lady Luck smiled upon us, we're the best!

this is what a wolf would say. Answer a) is never a compassionate posting from a fellow townie.

why are you bringing up quin's d1 reads elephant? this seems sorta random.

I looked at the voting poll, saw Quin and LLD not on there, and wanted to lay some groundwork for tomorrow. This might be my last chance.

You are safe and sound though.

this is setting a future milslynch because a town who lets ideas for next day is more active and obvious about them.

trying to solve quin's alignment i suppose. i just find it weird that you're trying to iso quin and stuff and go about it unbiasedly but ever since you cased me you never stopped tunneling me.

Quin wasn't very active today, and Lady LD had a single post, I think? They just flew under the radar because we were preoccupied, and somone suggested to lynch inside the "old guard". This is a bit of a prod with view to tomorrow that these guys can't keep slanking. (Well, I haven't gotten to LLD yet.)

Quinn gave me such a townish vibe in the dream that this push for him looks extremely bad for Elephant.
I honestly don't know what to do with my SR on LLD based on that. If it's not bussing then LLD is just lazy town. idk..

Generally talking about theory and wagonomics even if the last is useful if you have a scum flip not only mislynches. This is not game cobtribution is filling the thread with open wolfing.

I need a break but what i've read is strenghtening the read even more.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

It looks like you are scumreading me because
a) I pushed vanity for three days,
b) I feel very frustrated that vanity did not turn out to be the scum lynch we needed,
c) I survived the night,
d) you had more information and a better read on Quin than I do.
Is that correct?

no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.


What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?

1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?

[Master Radishes]

MR trying to use the fact that both you and Sprit thought he was scummy to exonerate himself is sketch af.

Why was Sprit not scummy for voting last minute as well?

GIVE US THE TRUTH, DAMMIT

Also- I'm probably way behind everyone- but the eva/MR/Sprityo thing is important to solve.

I've played 100s of games with MR and do not like him here, honestly

Also- I'm probably way behind everyone- but the eva/MR/Sprityo thing is important to solve.

I've played 100s of games with MR and do not like him here, honestly

@Master Radishes - why is Eva scum above Sprityo exactly?

[mention]112[/mention] you're clearly not reading my posts, which is okay cuz IRL stuff and all, but I already posted my case against Eva. Top of pg 117: post 5801.

Think of my reads of Aladeen. I nail him every single time. This is exactly like that.

[Elephant]

I wonder if mafia had access to all the game threads. If that's the case, they could have seen the people here D2 having doubts about Evenstar and 112 and started pushing those two in preparation for when we all joined back up here.

Didn't you see Epignosis reading here?

I should rephrase that. One of us spotted Epignosis as viewing this thread D2. I don't remember who it was, it might have been Hyena. I don't remember what we concluded from it, but the "access" suggestion pinged this recollection.

Epi made in the dream thread annalysis for everyone and he was the only one who helped us with day 1 content and also with the day 1 VC.
Instantly a TR was received, and i dont need to tinfoil there.

why don't you ask what happened instead posting shades?

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] , did you have access to this thread during D2?

[Master Radishes]

Yeah, Evenstar isn't interested in finding mafia. She's interested in stirring up trouble.

Lynch her.

As you told me on D3, you are welcome to try.

Shower and bed at this point.

Pawn Lelouch, I would encourage you to do sort-by-maximum-dream-depth on the first votal if you haven't already: I found it very interesting and I would appreciate you checking my work. (Also, I don't want to have to redo all the damn color tags.)

Posting this in a separate post to save myself the effort tomorrow.

1: Hyena, Nutella, Elephant, Benson, boo, Benson, DFaraday, Vanity, Creature, TL, juliets, Elephant, Long Con Drago (Lynched), TSP + Texas (NK'd)

2: Mac, LLD, Quin, Michelle, 112 Nova (Lynched), Nook (NK'd)

3: iaafr, Jack, Dom, Epi Colin (Lynched), Pawn (NK'd)

4: ES, Radish, Sprit

Do you know you were the NK? You were in just as many bottom 3s as Colin by EoD.

I think you were, but if you can confirm it?

(FYI this doesn't exonerate you, considering we knew how the mechanics worked by that stage. But it's a good look.)

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

Elephant got mislynched Vanity and you ignore him? Please let me know your oppinion on him.

I haven't read any posts from him since I left his environs with a hard scum lean on him d1.

So i guess nothing should have changed there. We can lynch him.

Wasn't aware he mld vanity

this is what i understand after talking with Nutella, he was the one pushing for that lynch.

and she's right, here are some posts from his Iso's I spoilered them

Spoiler: show

ask yourselves this:

i flip. what happens next? think about it from a town flip, a mafia flip, or a 3p flip. what do you guys do?

a) kick something really hard and watch a violent movie
b) job well done, feel good!
c) Lady Luck smiled upon us, we're the best!

this is what a wolf would say. Answer a) is never a compassionate posting from a fellow townie.

why are you bringing up quin's d1 reads elephant? this seems sorta random.

I looked at the voting poll, saw Quin and LLD not on there, and wanted to lay some groundwork for tomorrow. This might be my last chance.

You are safe and sound though.

this is setting a future milslynch because a town who lets ideas for next day is more active and obvious about them.

trying to solve quin's alignment i suppose. i just find it weird that you're trying to iso quin and stuff and go about it unbiasedly but ever since you cased me you never stopped tunneling me.

Quin wasn't very active today, and Lady LD had a single post, I think? They just flew under the radar because we were preoccupied, and somone suggested to lynch inside the "old guard". This is a bit of a prod with view to tomorrow that these guys can't keep slanking. (Well, I haven't gotten to LLD yet.)

Quinn gave me such a townish vibe in the dream that this push for him looks extremely bad for Elephant.
I honestly don't know what to do with my SR on LLD based on that. If it's not bussing then LLD is just lazy town. idk..

Generally talking about theory and wagonomics even if the last is useful if you have a scum flip not only mislynches. This is not game cobtribution is filling the thread with open wolfing.

I need a break but what i've read is strenghtening the read even more.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

It looks like you are scumreading me because
a) I pushed vanity for three days,
b) I feel very frustrated that vanity did not turn out to be the scum lynch we needed,
c) I survived the night,
d) you had more information and a better read on Quin than I do.
Is that correct?

no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.


What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?

1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?

1. i don't need to know if your narrative is static or dynamic tbh, i spotted it as scum narrative.
2. you are extremely relaxed and content of the gamestate
3. do you feel yourself as town core? if so, why didn't share oppinions about the players I asked at first glance?
4. Quin? i have town meta, i posted my reason to TR him. Mendel? he's not in the game. What do you want to say?

[Master Radishes]

Spoiler: show

FLOOMP
Grenades rained down from the parking garage roof.
Projection-soldiers were blown from their boats and to the base of the spiral incline.
Some of them seemed confused in the fray, even getting in one another's way.
The mark doesn't seem to know they're dreaming. Good.
The distracted projections offer the right opportunity.
The car revs to life, and with squealing tires barrels straight over the edge.

Subconscious Phase 4 has ended.

vanity. was lynched. He was:

Spoiler: show

You are the subconscious aspect of love.

You represent the mark’s capacity for affection, dedication, and intimate interpersonal connection.

During any inception phase, you may select two players whom you must indicate as "A" and "B". Any action performed by player A will be directed to player B regardless of player A's intentions. You begin the game with 4 role points.

You will win the game if all threats to the subconscious mind are eliminated.

Spoiler: show

Inception Phase 4 begins now. You have 24 hours until 6:00 PM EST to get your actions to both hosts.

this is sad btw.

viewtopic.php?p=566869#p566869
the poll says he was lynched with 5 votes from
Elephant
Juliets
Hyena
Nutella
TL

There is at least one scum.

Agreed. Vanity was so pure and whilst I haven't re-read this yet I can't imagine there are not scum here.

It's a bunch of people I'm about too, so I don't have anyone I won't consider here.

[Elephant]

Elephant got mislynched Vanity and you ignore him? Please let me know your oppinion on him.

I haven't read any posts from him since I left his environs with a hard scum lean on him d1.

So i guess nothing should have changed there. We can lynch him.

Wasn't aware he mld vanity

this is what i understand after talking with Nutella, he was the one pushing for that lynch.

and she's right, here are some posts from his Iso's I spoilered them

Spoiler: show

ask yourselves this:

i flip. what happens next? think about it from a town flip, a mafia flip, or a 3p flip. what do you guys do?

a) kick something really hard and watch a violent movie
b) job well done, feel good!
c) Lady Luck smiled upon us, we're the best!

this is what a wolf would say. Answer a) is never a compassionate posting from a fellow townie.

why are you bringing up quin's d1 reads elephant? this seems sorta random.

I looked at the voting poll, saw Quin and LLD not on there, and wanted to lay some groundwork for tomorrow. This might be my last chance.

You are safe and sound though.

this is setting a future milslynch because a town who lets ideas for next day is more active and obvious about them.

trying to solve quin's alignment i suppose. i just find it weird that you're trying to iso quin and stuff and go about it unbiasedly but ever since you cased me you never stopped tunneling me.

Quin wasn't very active today, and Lady LD had a single post, I think? They just flew under the radar because we were preoccupied, and somone suggested to lynch inside the "old guard". This is a bit of a prod with view to tomorrow that these guys can't keep slanking. (Well, I haven't gotten to LLD yet.)

Quinn gave me such a townish vibe in the dream that this push for him looks extremely bad for Elephant.
I honestly don't know what to do with my SR on LLD based on that. If it's not bussing then LLD is just lazy town. idk..

Generally talking about theory and wagonomics even if the last is useful if you have a scum flip not only mislynches. This is not game cobtribution is filling the thread with open wolfing.

I need a break but what i've read is strenghtening the read even more.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

It looks like you are scumreading me because
a) I pushed vanity for three days,
b) I feel very frustrated that vanity did not turn out to be the scum lynch we needed,
c) I survived the night,
d) you had more information and a better read on Quin than I do.
Is that correct?

no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.


What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?

1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?

Point 3 should have expressed that I am not happy with Michelle telling me what emotions I have, or how I should be handling them.

[Michelle]

I wonder if mafia had access to all the game threads. If that's the case, they could have seen the people here D2 having doubts about Evenstar and 112 and started pushing those two in preparation for when we all joined back up here.

Didn't you see Epignosis reading here?

I should rephrase that. One of us spotted Epignosis as viewing this thread D2. I don't remember who it was, it might have been Hyena. I don't remember what we concluded from it, but the "access" suggestion pinged this recollection.

Epi made in the dream thread annalysis for everyone and he was the only one who helped us with day 1 content and also with the day 1 VC.
Instantly a TR was received, and i dont need to tinfoil there.

why don't you ask what happened instead posting shades?

@Epignosis , did you have access to this thread during D2?

he did them overnight

[Master Radishes]

Oh... looking at his iso, I vaguely remember his d1 now. What has he done the rest of the days?

Dom was fairly quiet D2, came out at the end super aggressively. D3 was more of that. He attacked a few people, e.g. Rabbit, but didn't do much else. Low poster, got into fights. Complained a bit about being called a 'dick' for what he was saying.

A few of us had him in our bottom 3s, although I personally felt I saw thought process in his posts and had him more middle of my reads list. He was never in serious danger of being kicked up that I recall.

Basically a big ol' pile of null.

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

I haven't read any posts from him since I left his environs with a hard scum lean on him d1.

So i guess nothing should have changed there. We can lynch him.

Wasn't aware he mld vanity

this is what i understand after talking with Nutella, he was the one pushing for that lynch.

and she's right, here are some posts from his Iso's I spoilered them

Spoiler: show

ask yourselves this:

i flip. what happens next? think about it from a town flip, a mafia flip, or a 3p flip. what do you guys do?

a) kick something really hard and watch a violent movie
b) job well done, feel good!
c) Lady Luck smiled upon us, we're the best!

this is what a wolf would say. Answer a) is never a compassionate posting from a fellow townie.

why are you bringing up quin's d1 reads elephant? this seems sorta random.

I looked at the voting poll, saw Quin and LLD not on there, and wanted to lay some groundwork for tomorrow. This might be my last chance.

You are safe and sound though.

this is setting a future milslynch because a town who lets ideas for next day is more active and obvious about them.

trying to solve quin's alignment i suppose. i just find it weird that you're trying to iso quin and stuff and go about it unbiasedly but ever since you cased me you never stopped tunneling me.

Quin wasn't very active today, and Lady LD had a single post, I think? They just flew under the radar because we were preoccupied, and somone suggested to lynch inside the "old guard". This is a bit of a prod with view to tomorrow that these guys can't keep slanking. (Well, I haven't gotten to LLD yet.)

Quinn gave me such a townish vibe in the dream that this push for him looks extremely bad for Elephant.
I honestly don't know what to do with my SR on LLD based on that. If it's not bussing then LLD is just lazy town. idk..

Generally talking about theory and wagonomics even if the last is useful if you have a scum flip not only mislynches. This is not game cobtribution is filling the thread with open wolfing.

I need a break but what i've read is strenghtening the read even more.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

It looks like you are scumreading me because
a) I pushed vanity for three days,
b) I feel very frustrated that vanity did not turn out to be the scum lynch we needed,
c) I survived the night,
d) you had more information and a better read on Quin than I do.
Is that correct?

no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.


What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?

1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?

Point 3 should have expressed that I am not happy with Michelle telling me what emotions I have, or how I should be handling them.

You avoid to tell me waht do you think ofQuin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?
Beating around the bush will not solve the game

[Master Radishes]

My strongest TRs are Michelle, Epi, and Mac at this point. And Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Film killer Rabbit. I also, oddly, like Jack, but I keep changing my mind on him.

You bastards killed my other TRs.

I also TR Sprit at this point - partially by default, partially because I did like his final day in limbo, even if he made the wrong choice. (I exaggered a scumread of him to see how Eva reacted. My plan failed when Sprit didn't turn up until the final fifteen minutes and so had no time to engage with my read of him.)

[Elephant]

Spoiler: show

I haven't read any posts from him since I left his environs with a hard scum lean on him d1.

So i guess nothing should have changed there. We can lynch him.

Wasn't aware he mld vanity

this is what i understand after talking with Nutella, he was the one pushing for that lynch.

and she's right, here are some posts from his Iso's I spoilered them

Spoiler: show

ask yourselves this:

i flip. what happens next? think about it from a town flip, a mafia flip, or a 3p flip. what do you guys do?

a) kick something really hard and watch a violent movie
b) job well done, feel good!
c) Lady Luck smiled upon us, we're the best!

this is what a wolf would say. Answer a) is never a compassionate posting from a fellow townie.

why are you bringing up quin's d1 reads elephant? this seems sorta random.

I looked at the voting poll, saw Quin and LLD not on there, and wanted to lay some groundwork for tomorrow. This might be my last chance.

You are safe and sound though.

this is setting a future milslynch because a town who lets ideas for next day is more active and obvious about them.

trying to solve quin's alignment i suppose. i just find it weird that you're trying to iso quin and stuff and go about it unbiasedly but ever since you cased me you never stopped tunneling me.

Quin wasn't very active today, and Lady LD had a single post, I think? They just flew under the radar because we were preoccupied, and somone suggested to lynch inside the "old guard". This is a bit of a prod with view to tomorrow that these guys can't keep slanking. (Well, I haven't gotten to LLD yet.)

Quinn gave me such a townish vibe in the dream that this push for him looks extremely bad for Elephant.
I honestly don't know what to do with my SR on LLD based on that. If it's not bussing then LLD is just lazy town. idk..

Generally talking about theory and wagonomics even if the last is useful if you have a scum flip not only mislynches. This is not game cobtribution is filling the thread with open wolfing.

I need a break but what i've read is strenghtening the read even more.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

It looks like you are scumreading me because
a) I pushed vanity for three days,
b) I feel very frustrated that vanity did not turn out to be the scum lynch we needed,
c) I survived the night,
d) you had more information and a better read on Quin than I do.
Is that correct?

no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.


What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?

1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?

1. i don't need to know if your narrative is static or dynamic tbh, i spotted it as scum narrative.
2. you are extremely relaxed and content of the gamestate
3. do you feel yourself as town core? if so, why didn't share oppinions about the players I asked at first glance?
4. Quin? i have town meta, i posted my reason to TR him. Mendel? he's not in the game. What do you want to say?

1. Why is my narrative a scum narrative for you?
2. No, I am not.
3. I felt fairly powerless for most of the game except day 4. I wanted to address your issues with me. I haven't looked at half of the players you asked me about for days, you saw my post on quin,my stance on nutella, and my stance on TL if you ISOd me. Why don't you ask me questions there if that is not enough for you?
4. You did not even ISO me for your case.

[Michelle]

Oh... looking at his iso, I vaguely remember his d1 now. What has he done the rest of the days?

Dom was fairly quiet D2, came out at the end super aggressively. D3 was more of that. He attacked a few people, e.g. Rabbit, but didn't do much else. Low poster, got into fights. Complained a bit about being called a 'dick' for what he was saying.

A few of us had him in our bottom 3s, although I personally felt I saw thought process in his posts and had him more middle of my reads list. He was never in serious danger of being kicked up that I recall.

Basically a big ol' pile of null.

All you said about Dom is scum behaviour, i would put him very low in the Poe

[nutella]

Eh sounds like town dom to me

[Elephant]

I wonder if mafia had access to all the game threads. If that's the case, they could have seen the people here D2 having doubts about Evenstar and 112 and started pushing those two in preparation for when we all joined back up here.

Didn't you see Epignosis reading here?

I should rephrase that. One of us spotted Epignosis as viewing this thread D2. I don't remember who it was, it might have been Hyena. I don't remember what we concluded from it, but the "access" suggestion pinged this recollection.

Epi made in the dream thread annalysis for everyone and he was the only one who helped us with day 1 content and also with the day 1 VC.
Instantly a TR was received, and i dont need to tinfoil there.

why don't you ask what happened instead posting shades?

@Epignosis , did you have access to this thread during D2?

he did them overnight

I do not understand how your statement is relevant to my question. Could you please explain?

[Master Radishes]

All you said about Dom is scum behaviour, i would put him very low in the Poe

Eh sounds like town dom to me

Good job team we got this.

[nutella]

All you said about Dom is scum behaviour, i would put him very low in the Poe

Eh sounds like town dom to me

Good job team we got this.

Michelle has played...2? games with Dom. I've played Many. Countless.

[nutella]

[mention]Elephant[/mention] read my exchange with Eva about Epi.