Inception [END]

[iaafr]

isnt eva fucking spewed from spinys flip how is this even up for discussion jesus christ

istn this the main thread

havent people read spiny for spew and seen that spiny toptowned eva for no goddamn reason so shes the peek from her flipped role

[Pawn Lelouch]

@Pawn Lelouch is skating by here.
why?

Because I'm in more games than this and it had EOD recently. Lil bit more important than a game with another day in it.

Cool.

"Had"

Let's play, Pawn.

Who should I vote instead of you?

There is such a thing as analysis that needs to be done post EOD and essays.

And Quin, Elephant, and Epi are always good options imo.

[iaafr]

and yes i am implying something in that post

If you mean what I think you mean we should just lynch eva lol but probably also iaafr if you're right

yeah this games a fucking disaster

[nutella]

uh tsp flipping villa kinda makes me wanna kill quin

alright that's enough effort for one day

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

done

...huh?

i sussed em both d1 and n1 i reread some isos and saw an interaction with quin pushing tsp in a not w/w way

i was reading tsp w at the time so i cleared quin off that but in the first layer where quin showed up he quoted me calling the not w/w thing and just said interesting and nothing else

maybe right now hes thinking that was me telegraphing a ml

or hes scum and trying to represent that thats what he thinks

idk lol

I don't really follow what you're saying here but when quin first joined us he said he thought you had TMI about stuff in the other threads and now he's specifying that it was the Tony kill/flip he thought you had TMI about. What do you have to say about that?

[iaafr]

uh tsp flipping villa kinda makes me wanna kill quin

alright that's enough effort for one day

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

done

...huh?

i sussed em both d1 and n1 i reread some isos and saw an interaction with quin pushing tsp in a not w/w way

i was reading tsp w at the time so i cleared quin off that but in the first layer where quin showed up he quoted me calling the not w/w thing and just said interesting and nothing else

maybe right now hes thinking that was me telegraphing a ml

or hes scum and trying to represent that thats what he thinks

idk lol

I don't really follow what you're saying here but when quin first joined us he said he thought you had TMI about stuff in the other threads and now he's specifying that it was the Tony kill/flip he thought you had TMI about. What do you have to say about that?

im town lol!

[iaafr]

what dont you follow

i read tsp w

i isoed multiple players n1

one of the people i isoed was quin

i saw that he had a pretty fiery push on TSP that was likely unaligned

so i tentativey cleared quin d2 assuming TSP was scum

i have just now seen the TSP flip

now i dont think quin looks good for it and his push on TSP mightve been on the town lowhanging fruit of d1

[Quin]

and yes i am implying something in that post

If you mean what I think you mean we should just lynch eva lol but probably also iaafr if you're right

i think we should also lynch eva but for reasons other than the reason you're thinking of

[iaafr]

another person i isoed was spiny which is why i know for a fact eva is mechanically clear and apparent it still isnt consensus that this is the case????? what are people even doing

[Epignosis]

@Pawn Lelouch is skating by here.
why?

Because I'm in more games than this and it had EOD recently. Lil bit more important than a game with another day in it.

Cool.

"Had"

Let's play, Pawn.

Who should I vote instead of you?

There is such a thing as analysis that needs to be done post EOD and essays.

And Quin, Elephant, and Epi are always good options imo.

I am always a good option.

[iaafr]

this game really isnt healthy for me see you next phase maybe

[Jackofhearts2005]

For the record, this convinced me I was possibly backwards on Radishes and Eva.

Spoiler: show

This was my case from Limbo:

Spoiler: show

The case against Evenstar

Her tone felt wrong:
--The vast majority of her posts from D2 were very small contributions, very much lacking in scumhunting, and mainly a stream-of-consciousness tone full of ‘…’s and ‘?’s and ‘what if’s. (And adverbs.) For example, her biggest post of D2 was a stream-of-consciousness ‘what if’ rant about the mechanics of the strange new game state and its restrictions. That itself is fine, if it goes anywhere, but her tone was mongering uncertainty, rather than being focused on actually figuring it out. She throws out thoughts about 8 scum in the thread, or no scum, etc – unlikely scenarios that don’t add to mechanics-solving.

--Along the same vein, at other points of the round she speculated on a triple scumwagon on D1 (Epi/112/Drago), entertained notions about what the phrase ‘up a level’ means, suggested forming in-game hydras…things that don’t contribute to discussion. They’re distractions.

--For someone who is known for an in-your-face style and who self-describes her style as pressuring until scum are revealed, she did remarkably little of that. Who did she pressure lately? Pawn? That lasted less than a page and she backed down quickly. In D1 she was a bulldog, but by D2 she was a puppy.


As for her actual content:
--She started D2 going after Pawn although quickly backed off that. She said Pawn ‘gave me bad info at dayend’ about Mac ‘crusading’ the Epi wagon. Pawn basically reaffirmed he believed what he said and Eva…just backed off. And she TRed Pawn the rest of the round. Then, in D3, Jack and I began discussing Pawn very lightly as a read (Jack refused to really discuss anything) and Eva comes in and rips him apart. Pawn responds and Eva…backs off. Like, very easily. Just a ‘okay, that puts my mind at ease, thanks’ sort of reaction (that’s not an actual quote – I didn’t note it down). The fangs retracted very quickly.

--Most of her posts that actually focused on pressuring potential scum in D2 were focused on Jack. And yet Jack only once appeared in her ‘bottom 3’ lists that day, and there was no real push to lynch him at any point. She also never really outright cased him, just said he ‘deserves pressure’ and picks up on a few minor inconsistencies.

--Her reads remained fairly static in D2, with only a couple exceptions. Aside from briefly SRing Pawn, and switching her read on 112 halfway through (which in turn reversed her read of Epi), the most she changed her reads was at the end when she started proposing low posters like Dom and Colin as lynch targets, after ignoring them as she had done up to that point. She kept Nova in her bottom 3, SRed me consistently (but without any real explanation beyond OMGUS), shaded Jack (but rarely openly stateed an SR of him), and avoided serious comment on most others. It really looked like she was playing to slip by unnoticed.

--As we approached the end of D2, Sprit became a last minute choice amongst several of us. Eva began to softly defend Sprit. She even said she hopes to ‘nail’ me if Sprit flipped green. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen someone say that sort of thing and flip green themselves. Also, Sprit was in the same ‘content range’ category as Nova, Dom, and Colin, who she continued to SR.

--She spent a fair chunk of time in the middle of D2 complaining about the lack of voting ability. She said it hinders her style of game (this is fair) and tells me at one point she intends to change that. She then…doesn’t. Like, even into D3, I don’t remember anything notable she did except her Pawn push.

--D3 she’s very blendy, IMO. I actually don’t remember much of what she did. Probably should’ve written some of it down.


Not to mention:
--Her vote in D1 tied Drago with 112 at 8-8 with 3 mins left. We were that close to not lynching a wolf due to her vote. (And, of course, others.)

--The Nook and Pawn (that’s still my assumption) kill choices fit her. They’re players she’s familiar with and will worry could read her correctly.

--Her entrance to this round was…interesting. She votes Sprityo immediately but gives some blah blah about me being the ‘correct lynch’ but she’s assuming she’s wrong. It's illogical. It also feels way too much like she knew *I’m* the one she needs to convince, since I’ve SRed both her and Sprit fairly heavily. She didn't start pressuring me this round until I made it clear I was leaning towards her.

--Her reasoning for me being potential scum has been full of misrememberings (I’ll avoid saying ‘lies’ since she may genuinely misremember.)

Added to that from our Limbo phase, she:
--constantly created narratives about what my intentions were ('you did x to justify y, and then you hastily backtracked...')
--insisted I was lying about trivial matters like whether Jack was SRing me (reminded me of 'BULLSHIT YOU'RE THE VOYEUR' and I even posted that at one point)
--seriously gave me the 'yes, and that's very convenient...' retaliation upon me not being around for certain events because of my timezone
--spent most of the time speculating on every possible combo of scum under the sun, literally hundreds of words that went nowhere and acheived nothing but make her look like she was thinking hard
--followed me immediately when I exaggerated my read on sprit (I wanted to see her reaction when I pretended to back off her and consider sprit; she took the bait and went for 'hmm, yes, and did you also notice that...' type posts)
--didn't stick to her sprit read and try to convince me, but instead switched to me right at :00 once sprit voted me


I'm sure there's more, but yeah.

And these posts all made Eva look bad.


*gestures to entire page 5 of her iso*

[Jackofhearts2005]

Multiquoting on my phone is a bitch.

[Epignosis]

Dom, nutella, vote elsewhere. Come on now.

[Jackofhearts2005]

But seriously, her reaction to Radishes yesterday was really bad, complete with her getting flustered enough she told me to fuck off.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Epi, why are you voting TO instead of Pawn?

[nutella]

okay but like i wanted to lynch iaafr first so it's technically not a NO U right? #gotem

in which iaafr had TMI that TSP was dead and town and planned on Day 2 to use that to drive a lynch against me

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

lol I'm so lost

either quins scum or he's not scum

i'm defintiely not scum but on the other hand i am scum

hope this helps

........

[Dom]

and yes i am implying something in that post

If you mean what I think you mean we should just lynch eva lol but probably also iaafr if you're right

This is a can of worms I want to stay far away from.

Dom, nutella, vote elsewhere. Come on now.

what's the rush?

[Pawn Lelouch]

okay but like i wanted to lynch iaafr first so it's technically not a NO U right? #gotem

in which iaafr had TMI that TSP was dead and town and planned on Day 2 to use that to drive a lynch against me

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

lol I'm so lost

either quins scum or he's not scum

i'm defintiely not scum but on the other hand i am scum

hope this helps

........

Welcome to the field of scum claiming regardless of alignment. Iaafr and I are two of the pioneers of it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

isnt eva fucking spewed from spinys flip how is this even up for discussion jesus christ

istn this the main thread

havent people read spiny for spew and seen that spiny toptowned eva for no goddamn reason so shes the peek from her flipped role

Nutella implied she was the mason in a non cheaty way.

[Epignosis]

Epi, why are you voting TO instead of Pawn?

TO?

[iaafr]

isnt eva fucking spewed from spinys flip how is this even up for discussion jesus christ

istn this the main thread

havent people read spiny for spew and seen that spiny toptowned eva for no goddamn reason so shes the peek from her flipped role

Nutella implied she was the mason in a non cheaty way.

then nutellas scum

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

[Dom]

nutella-- let's focus on something more productive.

is pawn bad or nah

[iaafr]

like read spinys iso theres no way nutellas the mason over eva

[Epignosis]

and yes i am implying something in that post

If you mean what I think you mean we should just lynch eva lol but probably also iaafr if you're right

This is a can of worms I want to stay far away from.

Dom, nutella, vote elsewhere. Come on now.

what's the rush?

There isn't one.

Lynch Evenstar. I don't care. Have at it. Go nuts.

[Epignosis]

isnt eva fucking spewed from spinys flip how is this even up for discussion jesus christ

istn this the main thread

havent people read spiny for spew and seen that spiny toptowned eva for no goddamn reason so shes the peek from her flipped role

Nutella implied she was the mason in a non cheaty way.

Where, dickbutt?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Epi, why are you voting TO instead of Pawn?

TO?

Terrell Owens.

[Quin]

this is hilarious

[Quin]

but like i will actually fight anyone who tries to lynch nutella right now

[Jackofhearts2005]

isnt eva fucking spewed from spinys flip how is this even up for discussion jesus christ

istn this the main thread

havent people read spiny for spew and seen that spiny toptowned eva for no goddamn reason so shes the peek from her flipped role

Nutella implied she was the mason in a non cheaty way.

then nutellas scum

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Literal nightmare scenario here.

[Jackofhearts2005]

like read spinys iso theres no way nutellas the mason over eva

Maybe I’m just dumb.

[Quin]

but like i read a 3p hinting post from evenstar no? she a indie vig bruv

or a SK but that sounds spooky

[nutella]

what dont you follow

i read tsp w

i isoed multiple players n1

one of the people i isoed was quin

i saw that he had a pretty fiery push on TSP that was likely unaligned

so i tentativey cleared quin d2 assuming TSP was scum

i have just now seen the TSP flip

now i dont think quin looks good for it and his push on TSP mightve been on the town lowhanging fruit of d1

uhhhh ok [mention]Quin[/mention] explain why you think he knew tony flipped town?

[Dom]

and yes i am implying something in that post

If you mean what I think you mean we should just lynch eva lol but probably also iaafr if you're right

This is a can of worms I want to stay far away from.

Dom, nutella, vote elsewhere. Come on now.

what's the rush?

There isn't one.

Lynch Evenstar. I don't care. Have at it. Go nuts.

This is unproductive.
I'm engaging in plenty of discussion outside of eva.

How about doing that with me instead of just prodding me on where my vote currently lies?

[Long Con]

Nutella never claimed mason, that's silly.

[Jackofhearts2005]

but like i read a 3p hinting post from evenstar no? she a indie vig bruv

or a SK but that sounds spooky

Serial killer like “We prefer the term ‘third party vigilante.’”

[nutella]

another person i isoed was spiny which is why i know for a fact eva is mechanically clear and apparent it still isnt consensus that this is the case????? what are people even doing

I don't think because they were townreading each other means they were 100% the masons. I put forth the possibility that Texas was the mason and was janitored

[Quin]

what dont you follow

i read tsp w

i isoed multiple players n1

one of the people i isoed was quin

i saw that he had a pretty fiery push on TSP that was likely unaligned

so i tentativey cleared quin d2 assuming TSP was scum

i have just now seen the TSP flip

now i dont think quin looks good for it and his push on TSP mightve been on the town lowhanging fruit of d1

uhhhh ok @Quin explain why you think he knew tony flipped town?

bringing him up when he did was completely out of context. not natural.

[Dom]

isnt eva fucking spewed from spinys flip how is this even up for discussion jesus christ

istn this the main thread

havent people read spiny for spew and seen that spiny toptowned eva for no goddamn reason so shes the peek from her flipped role

Nutella implied she was the mason in a non cheaty way.

then nutellas scum

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Literal nightmare scenario here.

*deep breath*

[Jackofhearts2005]

Nutella never claimed mason, that's silly.

Someone (thought it was Nutella) loudly doubted the “Eva is a mason” theory.

[nutella]

For the record, this convinced me I was possibly backwards on Radishes and Eva.

Spoiler: show

This was my case from Limbo:

Spoiler: show

The case against Evenstar

Her tone felt wrong:
--The vast majority of her posts from D2 were very small contributions, very much lacking in scumhunting, and mainly a stream-of-consciousness tone full of ‘…’s and ‘?’s and ‘what if’s. (And adverbs.) For example, her biggest post of D2 was a stream-of-consciousness ‘what if’ rant about the mechanics of the strange new game state and its restrictions. That itself is fine, if it goes anywhere, but her tone was mongering uncertainty, rather than being focused on actually figuring it out. She throws out thoughts about 8 scum in the thread, or no scum, etc – unlikely scenarios that don’t add to mechanics-solving.

--Along the same vein, at other points of the round she speculated on a triple scumwagon on D1 (Epi/112/Drago), entertained notions about what the phrase ‘up a level’ means, suggested forming in-game hydras…things that don’t contribute to discussion. They’re distractions.

--For someone who is known for an in-your-face style and who self-describes her style as pressuring until scum are revealed, she did remarkably little of that. Who did she pressure lately? Pawn? That lasted less than a page and she backed down quickly. In D1 she was a bulldog, but by D2 she was a puppy.


As for her actual content:
--She started D2 going after Pawn although quickly backed off that. She said Pawn ‘gave me bad info at dayend’ about Mac ‘crusading’ the Epi wagon. Pawn basically reaffirmed he believed what he said and Eva…just backed off. And she TRed Pawn the rest of the round. Then, in D3, Jack and I began discussing Pawn very lightly as a read (Jack refused to really discuss anything) and Eva comes in and rips him apart. Pawn responds and Eva…backs off. Like, very easily. Just a ‘okay, that puts my mind at ease, thanks’ sort of reaction (that’s not an actual quote – I didn’t note it down). The fangs retracted very quickly.

--Most of her posts that actually focused on pressuring potential scum in D2 were focused on Jack. And yet Jack only once appeared in her ‘bottom 3’ lists that day, and there was no real push to lynch him at any point. She also never really outright cased him, just said he ‘deserves pressure’ and picks up on a few minor inconsistencies.

--Her reads remained fairly static in D2, with only a couple exceptions. Aside from briefly SRing Pawn, and switching her read on 112 halfway through (which in turn reversed her read of Epi), the most she changed her reads was at the end when she started proposing low posters like Dom and Colin as lynch targets, after ignoring them as she had done up to that point. She kept Nova in her bottom 3, SRed me consistently (but without any real explanation beyond OMGUS), shaded Jack (but rarely openly stateed an SR of him), and avoided serious comment on most others. It really looked like she was playing to slip by unnoticed.

--As we approached the end of D2, Sprit became a last minute choice amongst several of us. Eva began to softly defend Sprit. She even said she hopes to ‘nail’ me if Sprit flipped green. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen someone say that sort of thing and flip green themselves. Also, Sprit was in the same ‘content range’ category as Nova, Dom, and Colin, who she continued to SR.

--She spent a fair chunk of time in the middle of D2 complaining about the lack of voting ability. She said it hinders her style of game (this is fair) and tells me at one point she intends to change that. She then…doesn’t. Like, even into D3, I don’t remember anything notable she did except her Pawn push.

--D3 she’s very blendy, IMO. I actually don’t remember much of what she did. Probably should’ve written some of it down.


Not to mention:
--Her vote in D1 tied Drago with 112 at 8-8 with 3 mins left. We were that close to not lynching a wolf due to her vote. (And, of course, others.)

--The Nook and Pawn (that’s still my assumption) kill choices fit her. They’re players she’s familiar with and will worry could read her correctly.

--Her entrance to this round was…interesting. She votes Sprityo immediately but gives some blah blah about me being the ‘correct lynch’ but she’s assuming she’s wrong. It's illogical. It also feels way too much like she knew *I’m* the one she needs to convince, since I’ve SRed both her and Sprit fairly heavily. She didn't start pressuring me this round until I made it clear I was leaning towards her.

--Her reasoning for me being potential scum has been full of misrememberings (I’ll avoid saying ‘lies’ since she may genuinely misremember.)

Added to that from our Limbo phase, she:
--constantly created narratives about what my intentions were ('you did x to justify y, and then you hastily backtracked...')
--insisted I was lying about trivial matters like whether Jack was SRing me (reminded me of 'BULLSHIT YOU'RE THE VOYEUR' and I even posted that at one point)
--seriously gave me the 'yes, and that's very convenient...' retaliation upon me not being around for certain events because of my timezone
--spent most of the time speculating on every possible combo of scum under the sun, literally hundreds of words that went nowhere and acheived nothing but make her look like she was thinking hard
--followed me immediately when I exaggerated my read on sprit (I wanted to see her reaction when I pretended to back off her and consider sprit; she took the bait and went for 'hmm, yes, and did you also notice that...' type posts)
--didn't stick to her sprit read and try to convince me, but instead switched to me right at :00 once sprit voted me


I'm sure there's more, but yeah.

And these posts all made Eva look bad.


*gestures to entire page 5 of her iso*

Ok

[Jackofhearts2005]

isnt eva fucking spewed from spinys flip how is this even up for discussion jesus christ

istn this the main thread

havent people read spiny for spew and seen that spiny toptowned eva for no goddamn reason so shes the peek from her flipped role

Nutella implied she was the mason in a non cheaty way.

then nutellas scum

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Literal nightmare scenario here.

*deep breath*

Literally!

I see you changed your undertitle.

[Long Con]

Nutella never claimed mason, that's silly.

Someone (thought it was Nutella) loudly doubted the “Eva is a mason” theory.

Yes... but that's due to her "Texas Mason" theory.

[Quin]

but like i read a 3p hinting post from evenstar no? she a indie vig bruv

or a SK but that sounds spooky

Serial killer like “We prefer the term ‘third party vigilante.’”

it's just got such a stigma attached to it, yknow? like, sure maybe she likes to kill people, but...

[Long Con]

Can iaafr be scum here?

[Epignosis]

and yes i am implying something in that post

If you mean what I think you mean we should just lynch eva lol but probably also iaafr if you're right

This is a can of worms I want to stay far away from.

Dom, nutella, vote elsewhere. Come on now.

what's the rush?

There isn't one.

Lynch Evenstar. I don't care. Have at it. Go nuts.

This is unproductive.
I'm engaging in plenty of discussion outside of eva.

How about doing that with me instead of just prodding me on where my vote currently lies?

I'm tired of being productive, Dom. I'm not fond of a lot of what I'm seeing. I know you aren't either.

Hence my comment.

I'm going to bed.

[Epignosis]

Can iaafr be scum here?

Good luck with that.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Nutella never claimed mason, that's silly.

Someone (thought it was Nutella) loudly doubted the “Eva is a mason” theory.

Yes... but that's due to her "Texas Mason" theory.

[iaafr]

yes im scum vote me out

[Jackofhearts2005]

We lynched iaafr and he didn’t flip scum, just sayin.

[iaafr]

i will not resist