Inception [END]

[Master Radishes]

I'll be honest, I'm never going to land anywhere on nutella. There are so many posts that ping me, but so many others that scream townie thought process. She also doesn't fit into any of my other scumleans.

LLD's sudden rage-read does make me wonder what she knows that we don't. But I think I'm just going to never read nutella again and let you guys figure it out.

[Michelle]

nutella-- let's focus on something more productive.

is pawn bad or nah

I liked Nutellas answer at this question. Keeping in mind I have Pawn top town and I consider her town and Dom scum this kind of question means for me a shade for both.
For who is productive to instill an indirect doubt? for scum. Who you Dom asking? A consensus TR.

[Michelle]

I'm supposed to be getting work done but I'm reading random ISOs instead.

Pawn's mafia isn't he?

I can only read Pawn villager after our dream level posts.

[Michelle]

but like i will actually fight anyone who tries to lynch nutella right now

This is villagery. For who wants more proof of why is Quin town

[Master Radishes]

I'm supposed to be getting work done but I'm reading random ISOs instead.

Pawn's mafia isn't he?

I can only read Pawn villager after our dream level posts.

Actually, I'd love you to ISO Pawn again (D1) and give me your thoughts on this read. You're basically lock town for me and I totally get your Elephant read even if I have a few reservations still. I think we're reading this game similarly overall.

Pawn kept Drago floating around as a scum option, voted him early, and really doesn't justify it well. In fact, at one point he said he thought it likely Drago was just roleplaying his character (as opposed to acting scummy) but wanted him gone for being a 'creep'. He also keeps insisting the Nanook kill was to frame him/Eva, which is just such a leap in logic. He's been hard-defending Eva since D1 too, and we know my thoughts on her.

When you have time and the frame of mind, give it a reconsider.

[Master Radishes]

@Syndicaters

How does Drago play as scum? Does he like to hard-distance his teammates?

[Master Radishes]

I've seen Pawn's name appear at the bottom of my screen. Hi Pawn. I actually have to leave now though.

[Pawn Lelouch]

I'm supposed to be getting work done but I'm reading random ISOs instead.

Pawn's mafia isn't he?

I can only read Pawn villager after our dream level posts.

Actually, I'd love you to ISO Pawn again (D1) and give me your thoughts on this read. You're basically lock town for me and I totally get your Elephant read even if I have a few reservations still. I think we're reading this game similarly overall.

Pawn kept Drago floating around as a scum option, voted him early, and really doesn't justify it well. In fact, at one point he said he thought it likely Drago was just roleplaying his character (as opposed to acting scummy) but wanted him gone for being a 'creep'. He also keeps insisting the Nanook kill was to frame him/Eva, which is just such a leap in logic. He's been hard-defending Eva since D1 too, and we know my thoughts on her.

When you have time and the frame of mind, give it a reconsider.

Just woke up for a bit before I go back to sleep and no. You're misconstruing what I said. I said Drago being a creep in terms of how he was hitting on Eva was likely him trying to RP his role's fluff, since I was trying to be nice (and frankly hoping it was just that) and give him an out on the behavior socially.

That was in regards to the creeping, not anything else in regards to how I read him in terms of scum or town and that distinction was very clear.

I still expect to be right on the Nook kill choice reasoning over iaafr or the like as a target.

And well yeah, she's towniest of towns in my book and you are someone with a 50/50 chance of being scum. You may not agree with me, but it is my view.

[Pawn Lelouch]

I've seen Pawn's name appear at the bottom of my screen. Hi Pawn. I actually have to leave now though.

Perfect, I can go back to sleep guilt free!

[Michelle]

Yes sir I will post my reasons for town Pawn.

Just a logic before i will reread.
When you think at his drop of scum read for Drago you can also think at why he started the scum read so early to attract attention to Drago if he was wolf. As wolf you don't need distancing in day 1 in such game. And he still voted scum isn't it?
Please let the Drago wagon for later in the game and focus on the counter wagon i bet we have wolves there.

In spoiler i copy pasted from my notes the case Epi made for Pawn. The conclusion is objective imo. Spoilered in spoiler the all post because it's not well formatted :/

Spoiler: show

Pawn LeLouch

Spoiler: show

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑

Dragomir wrote: ↑Man, so many town reads being handed out like candy over here, there's gotta be some TMI underneath them.

Oh totes. The question is who is truthful and who is TMIing. Considering like half of the players have posted at least some reads by now. And that is something that will take a bit to figure out frankly due to needing more data points and associatives to work with. So it can be a concern but not one that should be at the forefront of your mind until at least D1 starts.

Okay.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Here’s a roughly ordered list from where I’m at now. Will try and write out comments for each person if I can later on but that might need to wait a bit due to school. So here's who I got before I needed to post.

Confirmed Town
Pawn Lelouch

Town
Creature

Town Lean
Master Radishes Love his interaction about Creature’s reaction and hard agree on hating the Sprityo post.
Iaafr
Epignosis
Vanity. His Nook insight is a towny type of insight and I have had that exact view on Michelle before in other games and have had it here already. It just feels like a genuine thought process.
Texas Cloverleaf

Null (+/neutral/-)
Evenstar (+)
MacDougall (+)
Nutella (+) 
Spiny Creature(+) Note I am fully admitting to bias here due to the Hyena interactions but I just love her there, and while the content amount is low due to time, the actual content is good imo.

Benson (neutral)
112 (neutral)
Michelle (neutral) I fully admit I just have trouble reading her.
Juliets (Neutral) This is a weird one for me. Since she doesn’t actually have much content that is actually strong. Like she has it, but it all feels fairly shallow. However, I think her reaction to being stilted is real and as someone who is somewhat similar to that I can’t really endorse scum reads based on that due to not finding them accurate, and yes that does seem to be a fair bit of why people are scum reading her. So two conflicting views null out.
Jackofhearts2005 (neutral) Has the Creature read going for him but otherwise everything else is honestly very meh. It exists but that’s about it.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (neutral) There’s a passiveness and wishy washiness that I don’t really associate with town Nook but Vanity raised a really good point regarding him acting like a town who has been burned before which I can see. Two conflicting views null this out essentially.

Trustworthy Liberal (-)
Elephant (-) 
Long Con (-) 
TonyStarkPrime (-) So TSP has only a few things going on with him. The minor spat with Spiny, the one with me, and the relatively singleminded Juliets push. Spiny is a punctuation read that I find laughable on principle and am ignoring, the one on me I honestly didn't mind outside of his weird last sentence flip where he basically swapped to scum reading me at the end of the paragraph after leading up with town, since that was a strange look. Currently have this as a null - and their current position is currently tied directly to the opposite end as Juliets.

Scum Lean
Sprityo Mostly pure shitpost and the actual content post he put out was basically semi-incoherent when I looked through the ISO. Post #1413 exactly, is enough to drag him to scum lean,
Dragomir

Scum
Hyena
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Basically Don’t Exist yet and thus auto null (-) until more content.

DFaraday
Dom
Lady Lambdadelta
novaselinenever
Quin
Rej

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑

Long Con wrote: ↑

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑

Long Con wrote: ↑

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Eh, fuck it. Both Hyena and Dragomir are fairly low, so I'm willing to take out the creep first. Since while I'm pretty damn sure he's one of the people who have been roleplaying their roles like Mac, he's still gross about it.

What makes you think Mac is roleplaying?

... wait, was it that one weird post way back, where Mac was strangely enthusiastic?

It was more of a series of posts from then but pretty much, yeah.

I think it could be hilarious if I started roleplaying mine. OR I could end up looking like Dragomir. 

Do you think roleplaying is suspicious?

Not at all. When Dragomir is being a creep though when using what I believe roleplaying as an excuse, even as a bad joke, I don't see a reason to keep him around when he's already in my bottom 3 reads.

This is an early vote against Dragomir. The reasoning behind it isn’t strong, but it’s solid for a Day 1. I’m not really sure why Dragomir was “already in [your] bottom 3” prior to the creepiness, so perhaps you could elaborate on that Pawn. 

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑

iaafr wrote: ↑hey pawn whatup

which reads of yours should I sheep rn

Drago or TSP are probs my top two scum rn. MR, Creature, Vanity town. Also feeling pretty good about Epi and Texas rn.

Okay.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑

iaafr wrote: ↑fuckit bros let's kill drago

Let's go.

[VOTE: DRAGOMIR] aubergine

There’s a measure of enthusiasm here, as Pawn voted Dragomir a second time.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑And thus the triad is broken and I can freely place my vote. Out of TL, Michelle, and Drago, Drago is by far the scummiest imo.

[VOTE: DRAGOMIR] aubergine

Third time’s a charm…

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑

Epignosis wrote: ↑

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑

Evenstar wrote: ↑fuck is Day over

You have 12 minutes. Epi and Drago are main 2 wagons.

Like hell.

Off of vote numbers yeah you two are. Unless 112 has made a big enough resurgence to make it a 3 way competition.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑> 112 5 votes

So they have then. 112 + Drago are the main two then.

This might not mean much at first glance, but at the time, I was certainly not a main candidate to be lynched, and I said as much. Why this is significant is that it means Pawn was unconcerned with keeping an eye on the poll in order to manipulate where the votes fell during crunch time.

++++

If I squint hard I could see a Dragomir teammate, but that last point resonates with me.

[Michelle]

I've seen Pawn's name appear at the bottom of my screen. Hi Pawn. I actually have to leave now though.

Perfect, I can go back to sleep guilt free!

that was funny

[Dom]

think we see the game differently

wish you'd be a bit more respectful and not repeatedly imply youre obviously right and im obviously wrong in everything

is disagreement a lack of respect?

Nutella my english misunderstandings are often happening, this is my problem and I know they look odd for natives. My wording lack force sometimes because i have to express myself with the words I know and who are not enough. I am a latin languages specialist because all the language I learned in school are latin based like my native language. English is different and I never studied it, i learned it by reading. So to take posts and say what I feel about them is always hard for me. Regarding Elephant I choose posts I can talk about, I know he has many posts more relevant for a scum case against him.

I think you do a pretty good job, tbh.

That was 13 pages that were barely worth reading.

Cool!


Can I just say that these posts are kind of just as worthless as the posts you're complaining about? You have control of what is in the thread. Change it if you don't like it.


I struggle to land on someone who isn't Eva. Elephant v. Michelle seemed civ v. civ to me. Can someone explain why it's not?

[Dom]

This is from the Day 4 thread.

I’m not certain there’s a wolf at all at this level. If there is, I’m not certain it’s Dom. Like I townread Epi for most of the game and then he told me my read on him was stupid.

What’s the disadvantage to lynching if there is no wolf?

We’re lynching Radishes tomorrow regardless.

....why do you know radishes will be with "us"

This is so freaking weird that you have been assuming so much knowledge about the game. What do you know, why do you know it, and how do you know it?

I assume Radishes gets lynched today back to us. If not, idk what happens if scum wins the “final three.”

Surely they don’t just win cause why are we here if that’s the case?

They might all three come back to us regardless of their lynch.

So Radish should come back to us in a lot of possible worlds and we can and should lynch him tomorrow regardless of who we lynch today.

Jack has AMAZING knowledge of a thread he's not a part of, huh?

[Dom]

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

[juliets]

From my catch-up, one thing that I think might not be clear is one reason people were looking at TLib as possible scum is because several of us read GH's article Stopping the Juggernaut after we kept mislynching people.

The article is about what to do when from a town perspective the game is going horribly wrong, i.e., how to find the wolves. In it he says "Firstly, we have the player quietly in the POE but isn't really pushed. What makes this archetype so important is that it has a high chance of flipping wolf." (There's more about this but this line sums it up.) This described TLib pretty well. He didn't have much to say most of the time but we could see that he was in the thread, he was generally toward the bottom of our list, and we had not pushed him hard. This wasn't the only reason people were looking at TLib but it was one of the reasons I was looking at him.

I urge [mention]Trustworthy Liberal[/mention] to get more involved today and give his thoughts if he is town. I would like to be able to town read him like I did at the beginning of day 2 after he voted Drago.

[Michelle]

think we see the game differently

wish you'd be a bit more respectful and not repeatedly imply youre obviously right and im obviously wrong in everything

is disagreement a lack of respect?

Nutella my english misunderstandings are often happening, this is my problem and I know they look odd for natives. My wording lack force sometimes because i have to express myself with the words I know and who are not enough. I am a latin languages specialist because all the language I learned in school are latin based like my native language. English is different and I never studied it, i learned it by reading. So to take posts and say what I feel about them is always hard for me. Regarding Elephant I choose posts I can talk about, I know he has many posts more relevant for a scum case against him.

I think you do a pretty good job, tbh.

That was 13 pages that were barely worth reading.

Cool!


Can I just say that these posts are kind of just as worthless as the posts you're complaining about? You have control of what is in the thread. Change it if you don't like it.


I struggle to land on someone who isn't Eva. Elephant v. Michelle seemed civ v. civ to me. Can someone explain why it's not?

Thanks for encouragement.

I will tell you why the bolded is wrong. Giving my step by step reads I made in this game, I have Pawn as town and Pawn saying Eve is villager, I would never lynch her today.

aand me vs Elephant is civ vs mafia. Which I think you know because I SR you too.

[juliets]

Were the dream levels aware that when someone was lynched or NK'd at their level they came into the top level where the lynch or NK became real?

On a different subject, I am now reading nutella as town after reading through her posts in this new phase. I don't agree with everything she says but that's ok.

I was seeing Elephant as town in our time together before we merged back together. I am concerned though because he hasn't been here very much in this new phase and I don't understand his vote on Michelle. [mention]Elephant[/mention] I need to see more from you today.

[Elephant]

I can't make much sense of Michelle's D0/D1 ISO, but I found these two gems.

kill Michelle she's not Towny

yeah i'd expect to have a townread on michelle at this point if she were a villa

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

wait you voted me before reading my Iso? -_-

i guess michelle is posting more than i know of her scum meta but uhh

no townread still

defaults to a wolfread

omgus suits you

I'd vote Radishes over Sprityo and Evenstar right now, but it's still earlay in the day.

what to do with this gem? What do you see here?

1) You scumread vanity, yet you blame me for the same thing.
2) You criticize vanity for voting without reading the ISO, yet you do the same with me.
3) You shade him for omgus'ing, but he is town; but me omgus'ing makes me a wolf
4) vanity wolfread you.
I will put it as clearly as I can: Vanity is our redirector; I'd bet he redirected your wolf kill onto Tony or Texas, and because you couldn't kill me, you have been pushing this agenda-y lynch ever since.

[Hyena]

Again, can't we do this the old fashioned way?

Who is Dragomir's teammate?

Going about it any other way is an invitation to dickery.

...

Are you third party/neutral? o:

People who have been around-- what's up with juliets?

She's part of the Caffeine Crew - those of us who never went into a dream at all (assuming we're awake now, that is!). Widely townread, but I think much of that is based on some misread roleclaimy stuff that's difficult to parse due to it being illegal for her to confirm or deny. It got a little murky on that front, but I only wanted to lynch her for a little bit. I feel like I saw something else that made me say "she's town" but I forget what it was. Back before the thread collapsed.

The misread roleclaimy stuff probably played a part in Juliets getting widely townread, but I thought she was pretty towny before that. I mentioned on D2 that there seemed to be a lot a cultural misunderstandings between me and some of the Syndicaters which was why I was getting scumread by some of them, but Juliets was one of them that I felt really tried to poke and ask me questions to really understand me and what I was trying to do, which I felt was extremely towny compared to, like, Epi, Dom, and boo, just calling me scummy for some of antics.

Plus, her gathering all that voting data D2 was really helpful. <3

ok finally worked up the will to log in

who should I sheep

first one to mention me with a good reason gets my vote

@iaafr

vote nutella, she's MLed 3 town

I'm going to try this again (with a mention even this time [mention]Evenstar[/mention]):

....That's not what I asked.

What makes her vote record worse than mine-- someone you were convinced was bad just two days ago?

... the fact that she has verifiably lynched town?

And what of the other voters on those trains?

Are they just as bad yet they did not vote for Dragomir?

Nutella and Hyena are the only two players to participate in both town MLs. I don't think it's Hyena.

Ayy, progress has been made on the argument for "nutella is scum". Does knowing that I kinda pressured her to vote Vanity change your read on either of us? Also, there were three mislynches: Spiny/boo, Nova/Ty4on, and Vanity. Four if you count DFar, who was the counterwagon to Spiny/boo and is being speculated as a town vig shot.

If you're counting DFar, then everybody on D2 voted for town, except for DFar, who.. y'know.. flipped town. On D3, Ty4on and Vanity were tied at the end of the day, and Ty only got lynched due to Rand. Everyone but Ty, Vanity, and Long Con voted for one of Ty and Vanity. Finally, on D4, everyone but Long Con, vanity, and Creature voted for Vanity.

With that information, whose votes do you think looks the best and the worst now from our group? :P

pls, respond Eva <33

[juliets]

[mention]Michelle[/mention] what makes you SR Dom?

[Long Con]

sorry, i dont quite feel it. im going to stay on long con.

can you link me your case on LC to read it? searching on phone is a pain. Thanks

it's not a very deep case, i just feel a lack of depth in his gameplay and like

ok finally worked up the will to log in

who should I sheep

first one to mention me with a good reason gets my vote

@iaafr your style early game was all over the place. You would place reads on players, only to flip those reads right after. Was that to make yourself intentionally difficult to read? Do you intend to keep that playstyle going?

this quote in particular pinged me as a forced empty question that i dont actually see the protown value of or any particular drive to read me

no real followup either

does not seem to be naturally curious or wanting to solve peoples alignments in general.

You chose that post? That post was a hastily constructed response to your naturally curious and keenly solution-finding post, "first one to mention me with a good reason gets my vote".

Respectfully, go take a short walk on a long pier. Enjoy the sunrise, fresh sea air. Very nice!

[Michelle]

@Michelle what makes you SR Dom?

his day on the dream level, I hope I can make a case if I have time.

[Long Con]

Not to mention that your post was a straight-up lie.

[Elephant]

I'm caught up and am voting [VOTE: Eva] aubergine

what do you think about Elephant?

I see someone playing illogically.

Not sure if it's bad, or just illogical.

Could you please point out to me where I've been illogical?

You're voting for Michelle right now, that's a start.

Ok. I like to use my vote at this stage to indicate where my mind is at, and perhaps to get reactions. I haven't been able to put a complete case together, because I am still (!) catching up, but I don't think Michelle has a solving attitude towards me at all, and I scumread that.

I think she's just town who has misunderstood a lot of your replies and part of that is probably just language barrier and part of it is she hasn't had time to look through your whole iso. I don't like that she's so confident on you when she has a flawed and incomplete understanding of you, but I think she's probably just town

I am not a meta person, and I haven played with Michelle as scum (I think), but I believe Michelle is normally not this confident. There is a reason for that, but I agree with you that it might be a towny reason.

[Michelle]

I can't make much sense of Michelle's D0/D1 ISO, but I found these two gems.

kill Michelle she's not Towny

yeah i'd expect to have a townread on michelle at this point if she were a villa

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

wait you voted me before reading my Iso? -_-

i guess michelle is posting more than i know of her scum meta but uhh

no townread still

defaults to a wolfread

omgus suits you

I'd vote Radishes over Sprityo and Evenstar right now, but it's still earlay in the day.

what to do with this gem? What do you see here?

1) You scumread vanity, yet you blame me for the same thing.
2) You criticize vanity for voting without reading the ISO, yet you do the same with me.
3) You shade him for omgus'ing, but he is town; but me omgus'ing makes me a wolf
4) vanity wolfread you.
I will put it as clearly as I can: Vanity is our redirector; I'd bet he redirected your wolf kill onto Tony or Texas, and because you couldn't kill me, you have been pushing this agenda-y lynch ever since.

1. that is old d1 story. reading in d4 I saw he should be saved.
2. I've skimmed it. I have a life tbh.
3. again old d1 early stages
4. so what? village can make mistakes
This is a lie. There is never knowledge from me about Texas until Sod 5 you are spouting nonsenses no offense :/

[Michelle]

what do you think about Elephant?

I see someone playing illogically.

Not sure if it's bad, or just illogical.

Could you please point out to me where I've been illogical?

You're voting for Michelle right now, that's a start.

Ok. I like to use my vote at this stage to indicate where my mind is at, and perhaps to get reactions. I haven't been able to put a complete case together, because I am still (!) catching up, but I don't think Michelle has a solving attitude towards me at all, and I scumread that.

I think she's just town who has misunderstood a lot of your replies and part of that is probably just language barrier and part of it is she hasn't had time to look through your whole iso. I don't like that she's so confident on you when she has a flawed and incomplete understanding of you, but I think she's probably just town

I am not a meta person, and I haven played with Michelle as scum (I think), but I believe Michelle is normally not this confident. There is a reason for that, but I agree with you that it might be a towny reason.

I want to trust my gut reads not like in the previous game when I lost in f3 :/

[Elephant]

@Elephant I don't think you're here right now but when you see this, tell me why I shouldn't just lynch you now that juliets is not stopping me.


I am waffling on Eva again.

You should not lynch me because we don't need four mislynches in a row.
I wanted to ISO Hyena to get caught up after dealing with my quotes and mentions, but I guess I can do Juliets first.

[Michelle]

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] tell me please where is your head at today

[Elephant]

Were the dream levels aware that when someone was lynched or NK'd at their level they came into the top level where the lynch or NK became real?

On a different subject, I am now reading nutella as town after reading through her posts in this new phase. I don't agree with everything she says but that's ok.

I was seeing Elephant as town in our time together before we merged back together. I am concerned though because he hasn't been here very much in this new phase and I don't understand his vote on Michelle. @Elephant I need to see more from you today.

You were writing this while I replied to Michelle, did you see me come online?
I felt I had wasted a lot of my day (7 hours) yesterday catching up on this game, and decided to prioritize other things for a while. I think I checked the poll at night, and saw Evenstar going off the Epignosis wagon on someone else, and felt I had nothing to contribute to that fight.

nutella says you "no longer defend me", what is she referring to?

[Hyena]

ok why are people glomping onto trustwrothy liberal-- they sound like they're my brand tbh

I glomped on. Then Hyena glomped on. Then I think LC glomped on. And I think Jack glomped on. Then I glomped off. Then Jack glomped off. Ergo Hyena and LC are lockscum.

I thought you would find it funny, sorry

Banter with me instead. I've got jokes for days.

Why won't you banter with me? ;-;

i dont know if i trust elephant or myself enough to want to vote radishes right now

i wanna vote the guy who scumreads all my townreads now and still doesnt seem to be engaged with this game enough to really care

[VOTE: macdougall] aubergine

We're here having a bit of fun taking the Mickey and you got and do this. Tsk tsk tsk.

YEAH IAAFR

I'm feeling:

Elephant
Boo (still not sure about this though)
Dfaraday
none
none

kinda feel like benson was killed cuz he was right on elephant and vanity

Benson was super-annoyed that we didn't lynch TLib on D2. Vanity scumread TLib too.

What scum reads am I townreading matey?

other way around

i like 112 and LLD and i think LLD in particular is hard to scumread

LLD's rage is so townsided and real and echoes some of mine that ive been experiencing this game and she literally did it parallel to me in a differnt thread so it cant be her trying to pocket me with it rofl

gross read but how do you topscum her

Because I am elite.

Good answer!

i feel like momentum keeps building up on hyena and TL from town sources and it keeps getting diverted

I know. D: That's no fun.

oh but hyenas voting tl now

but i mean yall did just ml 3 people in a row so no reason not for people to be distancey

How many people do you think were scum in our group?

i think i like TL more than hyena and i dont trust hyena's presence generally

so yea if nutella's town and incorrectly townread somebody early hyenas probably in there

Backstabbing bunny.

[Elephant]

I can't make much sense of Michelle's D0/D1 ISO, but I found these two gems.

kill Michelle she's not Towny

yeah i'd expect to have a townread on michelle at this point if she were a villa

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

wait you voted me before reading my Iso? -_-

i guess michelle is posting more than i know of her scum meta but uhh

no townread still

defaults to a wolfread

omgus suits you

I'd vote Radishes over Sprityo and Evenstar right now, but it's still earlay in the day.

what to do with this gem? What do you see here?

1) You scumread vanity, yet you blame me for the same thing.
2) You criticize vanity for voting without reading the ISO, yet you do the same with me.
3) You shade him for omgus'ing, but he is town; but me omgus'ing makes me a wolf
4) vanity wolfread you.
I will put it as clearly as I can: Vanity is our redirector; I'd bet he redirected your wolf kill onto Tony or Texas, and because you couldn't kill me, you have been pushing this agenda-y lynch ever since.

1. that is old d1 story. reading in d4 I saw he should be saved.
2. I've skimmed it. I have a life tbh.
3. again old d1 early stages
4. so what? village can make mistakes
This is a lie. There is never knowledge from me about Texas until Sod 5 you are spouting nonsenses no offense :/

When you get redirected, the host does not tell you about it.

[Hyena]

By the way, I think the Vig that was in our group is within, like, [TLib, Elephant, and nutella].

[Elephant]

Since TLiberal is discussed, did [mention]Long Con[/mention] ever show us perspective in TL's ISO? I know at least one other player promised an ISO, it was either Epi or Michelle, I think?

[Elephant]

By the way, I think the Vig that was in our group is within, like, [TLib, Elephant, and nutella].

Can you explain what's up with the "misread roleclaim" business? The vig might be in that group because nutella talked a LOT about holstering, but I had someone else in mind for that role.

[Michelle]

Since TLiberal is discussed, did @Long Con ever show us perspective in TL's ISO? I know at least one other player promised an ISO, it was either Epi or Michelle, I think?

I did. My SRs comes first, TL will be Iso-ed later.

Logically because he asked me this has a slight TR from me.

[Elephant]

Since TLiberal is discussed, did @Long Con ever show us perspective in TL's ISO? I know at least one other player promised an ISO, it was either Epi or Michelle, I think?

I did. My SRs comes first, TL will be Iso-ed later.

Logically because he asked me this has a slight TR from me.

I noted that because you doing an ISO on TL tells me if you are doing it from a towny or a scummy perspective. That is why I would like you to do it. It's not even very large.

[Michelle]

Does everyone know that this game is based on the fact that we lie about each other?

I like you agree you can lie

....That's not what I asked.

What makes her vote record worse than mine-- someone you were convinced was bad just two days ago?

agreeing you had bad votes. noted

Jack didn't produce much of substance until things boiled over on him in the lower dreams.
He stopped producing, buddied nutella and followed epi's vote on her with zero reasoning.

yuck

time for me to check Jack too.

Jack
sprityo
eva
pawn
iaafr

there be baddies

Whom though? I don't see much content at you.

[Hyena]

By the way, I think the Vig that was in our group is within, like, [TLib, Elephant, and nutella].

Can you explain what's up with the "misread roleclaim" business? The vig might be in that group because nutella talked a LOT about holstering, but I had someone else in mind for that role.

Yeah, I think people kinda thought you were softing cop with a green check on Juliet. That's why Creature instantly backed off of you. It had no bearing on my read on you though, though it seemed like it had affected other people's read on you and Juliets. It's also why I think Nanook told me that I had to include Juliets in the towncore, too, if I included you in it.

[Michelle]

Since TLiberal is discussed, did @Long Con ever show us perspective in TL's ISO? I know at least one other player promised an ISO, it was either Epi or Michelle, I think?

I did. My SRs comes first, TL will be Iso-ed later.

Logically because he asked me this has a slight TR from me.

I noted that because you doing an ISO on TL tells me if you are doing it from a towny or a scummy perspective. That is why I would like you to do it. It's not even very large.

I can only do it from towny perspective, your shade is useless.

[Elephant]

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Hi Juliets! I'm here!

[Elephant]

By the way, I think the Vig that was in our group is within, like, [TLib, Elephant, and nutella].

Can you explain what's up with the "misread roleclaim" business? The vig might be in that group because nutella talked a LOT about holstering, but I had someone else in mind for that role.

Yeah, I think people kinda thought you were softing cop with a green check on Juliet. That's why Creature instantly backed off of you. It had no bearing on my read on you though, though it seemed like it had affected other people's read on you and Juliets. It's also why I think Nanook told me that I had to include Juliets in the towncore, too, if I included you in it.

Ugh, ok. I meant to imply something else. Apparently nobody caught on to what it actually was, but I wasn't surprised to be cleared off it.

[sprityo]

Did....did anyone else (besides juliets) read my day 4 post wall or did I just get ignored again? :/

I hadn’t heard anything about it is all. Especially for anyone with Radishes or Evenstar in their scum list or is currently voting them [mention]112[/mention]

[Elephant]

Since TLiberal is discussed, did @Long Con ever show us perspective in TL's ISO? I know at least one other player promised an ISO, it was either Epi or Michelle, I think?

I did. My SRs comes first, TL will be Iso-ed later.

Logically because he asked me this has a slight TR from me.

I noted that because you doing an ISO on TL tells me if you are doing it from a towny or a scummy perspective. That is why I would like you to do it. It's not even very large.

I can only do it from towny perspective, your shade is useless.

Yes. Please show me your towny perspective. That is what I am asking.

[juliets]

Were the dream levels aware that when someone was lynched or NK'd at their level they came into the top level where the lynch or NK became real?

On a different subject, I am now reading nutella as town after reading through her posts in this new phase. I don't agree with everything she says but that's ok.

I was seeing Elephant as town in our time together before we merged back together. I am concerned though because he hasn't been here very much in this new phase and I don't understand his vote on Michelle. @Elephant I need to see more from you today.

You were writing this while I replied to Michelle, did you see me come online?
I felt I had wasted a lot of my day (7 hours) yesterday catching up on this game, and decided to prioritize other things for a while. I think I checked the poll at night, and saw Evenstar going off the Epignosis wagon on someone else, and felt I had nothing to contribute to that fight.

nutella says you "no longer defend me", what is she referring to?

Elephant, no I did not see you come online. Must have happened while I was typing.

What nutella means is after the vanity lynch at the beginning of this phase I vowed to blow up all my town reads because I felt like I was caught in a trap of town reading someone or ones who were really mafia. She didn't want to scum read you before based on my assertion that you were most definitely town so when I said I was no longer giving anyone from our group a town read her interest in you rekindled.

I have slowly been reassessing and said a little earlier I can now find nutella as town based on her posting this phase. I do not however agree with all her reads.

I felt very strongly about you as town in our group and just need to see some thoughts from you about all of this new stuff that has come into the thread this phase to know whether I can go back to that read. I don't agree with you about Michelle, in fact I find her very towny but I have the luxury of having played scum with her and seeing her behavior as scum. I don't need to agree with you on all your reads to find you as town but I do need to see some thoughts.

Also just to be clear I totally understand you taking a break from this yesterday. I probably should have done the same.

[Michelle]

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by Michelle » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:09 am

Dom's Iso is a chain of shades adressed firstly at Iaafr who is my top TR since day 1 with Nutella and Radishes that to mention 3 players.

If we have or not night 2 kills we have no infos, but Nova and Nanook goes to other creepy dream level distinct by this one. No words about everyone else but that isn't worrisome, we know since Boo was mislynched that a thread with normal lynch mechanics still exists and there mafia succeded to push it's narrative.

Dom wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:59 pm
...i'm quite frankly sick of this discourse and want to play the game.

And he played a lot, like we see below:

Dom wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:59 pm
Yeah, I don't love radishes' posts at all.

And that is his last post. What a scum play!

Dom goes near Elephant in my scumpile of players outside the dream and to make them a trio i will add Nova.

Quin wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:02 am
but also like when i have a minute i'll read through who's left and give thoughts now that i'm not buried in activity

@Quin don't limit yourself at the current list, you have to give your ideas for everyone in this thread for me to make a read on you. Thanks for cooperation.

this is my first post against Dom. before criticize it think at the low level of info we had in the dream level.

[Elephant]

Did....did anyone else (besides juliets) read my day 4 post wall or did I just get ignored again? :/

I hadn’t heard anything about it is all. Especially for anyone with Radishes or Evenstar in their scum list or is currently voting them @112

I skimmed your Evenstar collection and your Radishes collection, and kinda threw my hands in the air because they had their chracteristic tones, and I couldnt make sense of the D2 and D3 references. Perhaps you'd get more feedback if link to these, and to your own D4 wall.

[Michelle]

Did....did anyone else (besides juliets) read my day 4 post wall or did I just get ignored again? :/

I hadn’t heard anything about it is all. Especially for anyone with Radishes or Evenstar in their scum list or is currently voting them @112

link it please, I am in other Iso rn

[Elephant]

Were the dream levels aware that when someone was lynched or NK'd at their level they came into the top level where the lynch or NK became real?

On a different subject, I am now reading nutella as town after reading through her posts in this new phase. I don't agree with everything she says but that's ok.

I was seeing Elephant as town in our time together before we merged back together. I am concerned though because he hasn't been here very much in this new phase and I don't understand his vote on Michelle. @Elephant I need to see more from you today.

You were writing this while I replied to Michelle, did you see me come online?
I felt I had wasted a lot of my day (7 hours) yesterday catching up on this game, and decided to prioritize other things for a while. I think I checked the poll at night, and saw Evenstar going off the Epignosis wagon on someone else, and felt I had nothing to contribute to that fight.

nutella says you "no longer defend me", what is she referring to?

Elephant, no I did not see you come online. Must have happened while I was typing.

What nutella means is after the vanity lynch at the beginning of this phase I vowed to blow up all my town reads because I felt like I was caught in a trap of town reading someone or ones who were really mafia. She didn't want to scum read you before based on my assertion that you were most definitely town so when I said I was no longer giving anyone from our group a town read her interest in you rekindled.

I have slowly been reassessing and said a little earlier I can now find nutella as town based on her posting this phase. I do not however agree with all her reads.

I felt very strongly about you as town in our group and just need to see some thoughts from you about all of this new stuff that has come into the thread this phase to know whether I can go back to that read. I don't agree with you about Michelle, in fact I find her very towny but I have the luxury of having played scum with her and seeing her behavior as scum. I don't need to agree with you on all your reads to find you as town but I do need to see some thoughts.

Also just to be clear I totally understand you taking a break from this yesterday. I probably should have done the same.

I doubt I'm going to catch up on "all this new stuff", so if there is anything specific you'd like me to see, please point me to it. I am happy to take your word on Michelle, and she may be very towny indeed.

[Michelle]

btw I made these posts very easy on computer because I came to work for few tasks. Wow being on PC <3

After I will go and vote (election day in my country for president) so if I am not answering I am busy irl.

[Elephant]

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by Michelle » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:09 am

Dom's Iso is a chain of shades adressed firstly at Iaafr who is my top TR since day 1 with Nutella and Radishes that to mention 3 players.

If we have or not night 2 kills we have no infos, but Nova and Nanook goes to other creepy dream level distinct by this one. No words about everyone else but that isn't worrisome, we know since Boo was mislynched that a thread with normal lynch mechanics still exists and there mafia succeded to push it's narrative.

Dom wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:59 pm
...i'm quite frankly sick of this discourse and want to play the game.

And he played a lot, like we see below:

Dom wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:59 pm
Yeah, I don't love radishes' posts at all.

And that is his last post. What a scum play!

Dom goes near Elephant in my scumpile of players outside the dream and to make them a trio i will add Nova.

Quin wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:02 am
but also like when i have a minute i'll read through who's left and give thoughts now that i'm not buried in activity

@Quin don't limit yourself at the current list, you have to give your ideas for everyone in this thread for me to make a read on you. Thanks for cooperation.

this is my first post against Dom. before criticize it think at the low level of info we had in the dream level.

It says "Phase 2", but this is a day 3 post, right? Are you as certain about Dom as you are about me?
Nova flipped town, btw.