Inception [END]

[iaafr]

i mean she has to either way but i still think shes town so

yea

[iaafr]

wait no but she was scummy in phase 2 shit

[iaafr]

but maybe she was just super tilted

i mean she was super tilted

[iaafr]

or maybe everybody pretending to be lazy is scum and its pawn/mac

how many scum even are there

[Master Radishes]

I’ve only got a couple minutes before work now, so let’s do cliffs notes version:

-Eva didn’t say a damned thing about me until the last bit of the round when suddenly she was like ‘you know what you did…!’. There were no hints earlier in the round that she thought I had poisoned her. It was anti-spew.

-I came into last round going hard after Eva. If I poisoned her I would sit back and wait for post-death towncred for having sussed her in previous phases. (I admit to ‘sitting back’ at the end of the round, but it was clear by that point that no one was going to follow me.)

-WIFOM and all, but if I’m 3P I kill someone not connected to me anyway to avoid this exact discussion. (I’ve won as SK before – by targeting the most random of players available each round.)

-Where was this poisoner role earlier in the game? IMaybe it's a one-off ability? Or if it was connected to the F3 I was in, well, considering I lost that and got kicked, how did I suddenly gain an ability?


Too many holes in the 3P-MR theory, and I seriously can’t believe some people are still listening to Eva. In fact, the best evidence against me would be the Nutella kill, considering I openly said she was impossible to read and so I wouldn’t.

[iaafr]

ok read the hyena iso just now and hes probably scum and pawns probably town

[Master Radishes]

I'll have to do my actual scumhunting later. But I agree with a lot of the reads being tossed out.

[iaafr]

also i have not read the 3p radishes theory but i mean even if hes 3p hes townsiding and playing as a townsperson so he should not be on the table

he is never aligned with eva and pushed eva and cared about his push on eva etc etc

[Pawn Lelouch]

ok read the hyena iso just now and hes probably scum and pawns probably town

ikr. Epi is bad, don't get me wrong. Hyena is just worse imo.

[iaafr]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm sure leggo

[VOTE: hyena] aubergine

[iaafr]

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are you guys up for a hyena wagon today hes really scummy and pushed vanity and nutella and like actually no scum except drago which fits with the whole "get cred, use it" idea evenstar got from lld's guide

i think

[iaafr]

i mean idk if we credit that to lld's guide in general but its a good idea

[iaafr]

and then hyena/juliets martyred for elephant together and nutella called it out as 3 scum

good times

i should iso juliets

[Pawn Lelouch]

@Long Con @MacDougall @112 @coliniscool @Quin @lady lambdadelta @Jackofhearts2005 @sprityo @Trustworthy Liberal @Dom @Epignosis

are you guys up for a hyena wagon today hes really scummy and pushed vanity and nutella and like actually no scum except drago which fits with the whole "get cred, use it" idea evenstar got from lld's guide

i think

Reminder that he went on Drago literally last minute after I got on his case for tying the votes up in favor of lynching 112. He did not want to vote up Drago. Look at the timing of those interactions, so even the Drago credit is nonexistent at best.

[iaafr]

The search functionality on this forum is excellent. @juliets I am not quite as happy with that link.

Okay vanity's Return gives me mixed feelings and i think am still okay with them being voted today but what i did notice was Creature going and taking multiple D1 reads list off dead people as well as people not here in an attempt to save vanity from his wagon and move it to another one and wouldn't mind looking there tomorrow more.

idk why players are so closed to possible alternatives

Current thoughts
Elephant could be Wolf but i see him having less then vanity

YOU creature but that is based of Vanitys flip

of and Ty4on but we are safer waiting a night inhope of confirmation if there is any from the other side

Thanks Elephant! I do remember this now that I see it again.

I wish I had heeded his warning to wait on Ty until we could see if they saw his flip on the other side.

I agree with you and nutella that it doesn't seem like he and vanity are partners.

Also, I don't know what to think anymore about Creature. I've been sure he was town all along because of how different he looked in this game than Arrowverse but in reading vanity's ISO I came across the part where he said Creature broke out of the mold of posting a lot when good and not so much when bad. So I may take a closer look at him today.

juliets doesnt look teamed with elephant here it looks too genuine of a reaction

[iaafr]

[mention]juliets[/mention] is the above way of townreading you fair?

also if you're town, i implore you to consider and vote hyena.

[iaafr]

[mention]Pawn Lelouch[/mention] dont need you to reread, but where are you currently at on TL

[iaafr]

So... iaafr is bad, huh?

Yes, unless there is some reasonable explanation for why Eva was calling him to vote hyena. And I don't think there is.

wait this is juliets reason for sussing me?

[mention]juliets[/mention] can you spell this out?

[iaafr]

actually juliets iso isnt that towny lmao

alright juliets can still be scum too

[iaafr]

town/3p:

112 / pawn / mac / dom / radishes / long con / lld

null to scum:

coliniscool

epi / sprityo / juliets / quin / TL

hyena

[iaafr]

gonna go with 7 scum and 1 3p so i guess theres 4 scum and 1 3p left so if anybody wants to point out why somebody is town in my scum list thatd be cool

[Pawn Lelouch]

I have the voting for November 10th for my own use and will post it if anyone wants it.

Also what is everyone making of Eva's letter? Obviously some of it was bullshit, maybe all of it. Why would she put a letter to her team in the game thread for example.

I would like the votes.

Also what letter did I miss something obvious again?

Derpclear rejected

I don't want a God dam deep clear I've said this a many times now look at my points and agree or disagree

@iaafr Town off of this post alone.

[iaafr]

alright TL is off the table for today

[iaafr]

wait but why isnt he mad off of not getting an answer the followup doesnt quite make sense

also vanity sussed him

[iaafr]

if epi is town TL can still be scum if he's gotten quite good at scum recently but i think he's town and definitely never dies before hyena

[iaafr]

if epi is scum TL is clear

thats what i get from him saying he thinks epi is scummier than me

TL might be clear anyway for putting his cards on the table like that

thats another day's issue tbh

[iaafr]

And now for something completely different.

@nutella @Long Con @Trustworthy Liberal @Elephant @juliets @Hyena

Am I right in characterising things this way: Elephant started the vanity wagon and together with mainly T Lib and Hyena powered it through each round?

I admit to at times glazing over and skimming, so I want to know how you guys feel it evolved.


Based on estimated numbers, there are clearly at least two scum amongst you, quite likely more considering you started with 11 in your level. You guys form a grouping that needs solving too.

So, Elephant cased Vanity and was the main pusher on him on D2. After D2, though, I started seriously pushing on Vanity, at times more than Elephant. As far as influence over what happened goes, Elephant and I probably had equal influence, Nutella resisted and flip-flopped a couple times between Elephant and Vanity, and TLib kinda just sheeped us. That's from my perspective at least.

hmmmmm no maybe its still just pawn scum world and i shouldnt towncore him and everybody but juliets pushing me is town?

....That's not what I asked.

What makes her vote record worse than mine-- someone you were convinced was bad just two days ago?

... the fact that she has verifiably lynched town?

And what of the other voters on those trains?

Are they just as bad yet they did not vote for Dragomir?

Nutella and Hyena are the only two players to participate in both town MLs. I don't think it's Hyena.

Ayy, progress has been made on the argument for "nutella is scum". Does knowing that I kinda pressured her to vote Vanity change your read on either of us? Also, there were three mislynches: Spiny/boo, Nova/Ty4on, and Vanity. Four if you count DFar, who was the counterwagon to Spiny/boo and is being speculated as a town vig shot.

If you're counting DFar, then everybody on D2 voted for town, except for DFar, who.. y'know.. flipped town. On D3, Ty4on and Vanity were tied at the end of the day, and Ty only got lynched due to Rand. Everyone but Ty, Vanity, and Long Con voted for one of Ty and Vanity. Finally, on D4, everyone but Long Con, vanity, and Creature voted for Vanity.

With that information, whose votes do you think looks the best and the worst now from our group? :P

hmmmmm im rereading the hyena iso more closely and thinkin theres a lot of towny points too and pawns just still pocketing me but doesnt have energy to fight anything and is hoping people find hyenas eod bad...? maybe pawn is the best wagon after all...?

dude this sucks im just gonna stop posting again

these arent even the best posts by hyena but... he has good thoughts at points and pawn's the one with a clear wim dropoff after kind of a shitty scum day...?

and he's still the one who townread eva incorrectly etc etc

man both pawn and epi have pretty weird interactions with eva at points

mmmmmmmmmm idk torn

[VOTE: pawn lelouch] aubergine

[sprityo]

@Long Con @MacDougall @112 @coliniscool @Quin @lady lambdadelta @Jackofhearts2005 @sprityo @Trustworthy Liberal @Dom @Epignosis

are you guys up for a hyena wagon today hes really scummy and pushed vanity and nutella and like actually no scum except drago which fits with the whole "get cred, use it" idea evenstar got from lld's guide

i think

Reminder that he went on Drago literally last minute after I got on his case for tying the votes up in favor of lynching 112. He did not want to vote up Drago. Look at the timing of those interactions, so even the Drago credit is nonexistent at best.

I did a vote analysis of that EOD 1 fiasco if you wanna check it out. I’m gonna look at it again myself and double check but if I’m not wrong it was tied up, then hyena and LC voted last second at the same time

[iaafr]

read TL's iso a little closer and uh

why is he so sure the extra kills are 3p and hwy is he so fixated on it

thats pretty scummy shit lmao

[sprityo]

town/3p:

112 / pawn / mac / dom / radishes / long con / lld

null to scum:

coliniscool

epi / sprityo / juliets / quin / TL

hyena

Just a by the way

Would would there be three scum in that final 3 limbo?

What purpose does it serve? And so then why would I be scum? Is it because I suspect you?

[iaafr]

[mention]sprityo[/mention] if youre town can you vote pawn before you vote me you think he's scum too right

or anybody in { TL / Pawn / Juliets } really

[iaafr]

town/3p:

112 / pawn / mac / dom / radishes / long con / lld

null to scum:

coliniscool

epi / sprityo / juliets / quin / TL

hyena

Just a by the way

Would would there be three scum in that final 3 limbo?

What purpose does it serve? And so then why would I be scum? Is it because I suspect you?

im just having trouble townclearing you

if youre town, which could very well be the case, then im curious which of my thoughts you actually agree with

[sprityo]

@sprityo if youre town can you vote pawn before you vote me you think he's scum too right

or anybody in { TL / Pawn / Juliets } really

I do think he’s scum yes, but I think you’re more likely scum

[iaafr]

i mean even if TL's theory on MR is right it doesn't make TL town

idk if he's going for too scummy to be scum but it's a ridiculous direction to take rn imo

[mention]Trustworthy Liberal[/mention] i need you to list and vote in your scumreads today, not your 3p read

[iaafr]

@Long Con @MacDougall @112 @coliniscool @Quin @lady lambdadelta @Jackofhearts2005 @sprityo @Trustworthy Liberal @Dom @Epignosis

are you guys up for a hyena wagon today hes really scummy and pushed vanity and nutella and like actually no scum except drago which fits with the whole "get cred, use it" idea evenstar got from lld's guide

i think

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please disregard i no longer confidently sus hyena

[iaafr]

Hyena's read on Pawn:
So, like, the first game-related interaction I had with Pawn involved me asking him to come vote Epi with me and I think Eva (could be wrong here). He eventually declined (while also rejecting friendship with me :[ ), and in retrospect, that was probably the right move because I hadn't realized that Epi actually looked okay in his ISO at that point. Don't know how AI that is for him, though, but he at least didn't try to, like, pocket me there or something.

Aside from that, I don't think I've had any SERIOUS interactions with him. I voted for him at one point, but only after he encouraged me to, so it was pretty ineffectual and mostly a joke. He voted for me, too, at one point, but gave a vague "he's been pinging me" when he did. I didn't think anything of it then, and I still don't think anything of it now.

Going through his ISO, I saw that he's had interactions with people, but I don't feel like he's made any sort of impact on the game yet. That's not to say he doesn't have presence in the game. In fact, I was surprised to find that he hasn't made an impact, because I feel like he's been present and engaging consistently in the game so far.

I don't think I'd consider him for a lynch today, but meh, I don't feel comfortable calling him town right now.

i like this post better than i like most pawn posts

sooooooo maybe sprits with pawn

[iaafr]

pawns the most outed scum and its really obvious and its hilarious that i can even still fall back into the pocket at times

[Pawn Lelouch]

@Long Con @MacDougall @112 @coliniscool @Quin @lady lambdadelta @Jackofhearts2005 @sprityo @Trustworthy Liberal @Dom @Epignosis

are you guys up for a hyena wagon today hes really scummy and pushed vanity and nutella and like actually no scum except drago which fits with the whole "get cred, use it" idea evenstar got from lld's guide

i think

Reminder that he went on Drago literally last minute after I got on his case for tying the votes up in favor of lynching 112. He did not want to vote up Drago. Look at the timing of those interactions, so even the Drago credit is nonexistent at best.

I did a vote analysis of that EOD 1 fiasco if you wanna check it out. I’m gonna look at it again myself and double check but if I’m not wrong it was tied up, then hyena and LC voted last second at the same time

Yes it was tied up since Hyena unvoted to tie them after iaafr had unvoted 112 if I remember right. Correcting something bad he had done under duress isn't something that deserves any credit.

[iaafr]

juliets is probably the most likely scum on my wagon out of {sprityo / dom / epi / juliets}

so if somebody wants to wagon based on thinking im town and there has to be a scum on me then im down with that i guess

[iaafr]

also uhhhhhhhhhhhhh if dom and epi are both town then should i think jack is scum cuz of the layer mech...?

..... ehhhhhhh still wanna lynch outside of that group today either way

[iaafr]

epi still might be the most likely scum at this point out of epi / dom / jack if im to believe theres a scum in there

and is certainly not entirely incompatible with pawn and i think pawn would be getting hard distanced from with his level of engagement if scum

[iaafr]

juliets is probably the most likely scum on my wagon out of {sprityo / dom / epi / juliets}

so if somebody wants to wagon based on thinking im town and there has to be a scum on me then im down with that i guess

this is because her reason for sussing me is incoherent and it seems like an opportunistic hop onto me

the rest have the excuse of having sussed me a long time

[Quin]

@Long Con @MacDougall @112 @coliniscool @Quin @lady lambdadelta @Jackofhearts2005 @sprityo @Trustworthy Liberal @Dom @Epignosis

are you guys up for a hyena wagon today hes really scummy and pushed vanity and nutella and like actually no scum except drago which fits with the whole "get cred, use it" idea evenstar got from lld's guide

i think

is hyena not the one who made the dragomir/evenstar case? gonna need to sell it summore, methinks.

[Quin]

ok nvm

[Quin]

gotta say iaafrs incessant word vomit is a good look for him

it's like he's got no brain to mouth filter so everything that comes out seems unpracticed and genuine

[sprityo]

gotta say iaafrs incessant word vomit is a good look for him

it's like he's got no brain to mouth filter so everything that comes out seems unpracticed and genuine

That’s a fancy way to say he spams the thread

[Quin]

still dont see why quin is town and curious what he's gonna do today

hopefully not tunnel me

[Quin]

gotta say iaafrs incessant word vomit is a good look for him

it's like he's got no brain to mouth filter so everything that comes out seems unpracticed and genuine

That’s a fancy way to say he spams the thread

ok fair

[Hyena]

/o/
\o\
\o/!!!

You guys can thank me post-game for my absolute brilliant playing at EoD yesterday. Iaafr is clear from Eva trying to get him to vote for me.

Incoming explanation for what happened and why Eva suddenly turned on me.

[Hyena]

iaafr can I interest you in an epi lynch today?

I don't see it happening even if i join and rn I'm kinda in pussy mode and don't wanna vote too spicy

thus my desired pool of longcon quin sprityo

We've already got 3, you make it 4 and then we just need one person off elephant

Wait, there's still only three. You counted wrong. Who was the third person?

@Lady LambdaDelta still hasn't moved off Nutella because she's making a point and sticking to her guns or something

Lexi, please help lynch scum even if it's not your #1 target

Here, I'm still cooperating with her because why the hell not. I wanted to seriously see if she'd come after me and Lexi the next day if Nutella flipped town, so there was a net positive benefit to doing it. Also, looking back at this now, I think Lexi might be clear, too, from this interaction because again, Nutella seemed to be Eva's genuine target originally.