Inception [END]

[Quin]

There's also a chance Texas Cloverleaf was scum if we assume Mac janitored the kill that night and it was redirected. Commuter might account for that (I'm not sure exactly how this role works here).

So you're saying the kill could have been redirected to a scum Texas and then they janitored that kill so the redirector wouldn't realize he redirected scum?

Commuter just means the person can avoid being a night target.

uhhh so in my mind it's like

Mac > NK + Janitors Player X
vanity > Redirects Mac to Texas
Texas dies and is Janitored as scum

I'll ISO vanity for any anti-Mac posts to see if it holds water, though.

[juliets]

Okay, the janitoring comes after the kill occurs though but I don't think that makes any difference to your theory.

[Quin]

Benson is a credible source. The rest are not.

why are mac and epi not credible sources? are they not strong players?

I think >rand chance they’re scum

mac is probably not a wolf lol

epi could be but that's just because i haven't seen them post in forever and i don't have to think about them.

meh. probably not then.

[juliets]

Well it was an interesting thought.

[Quin]

Okay, the janitoring comes after the kill occurs though but I don't think that makes any difference to your theory.

naw, the idea was that regardless of the flip, if things panned out according to my theory vanity would know that Mac targetted someone who died the same night, which is cause for concern. vanity didn't seem fussed after the fact though so it's unlikely it happened.

[Quin]

Doctor or commuter is still on the table, though.

[juliets]

Doctor or commuter is still on the table, though.

yes, I think those are the only two options.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Or maybe it was, but it's more than a missed night kill.

That's what I'm thinking.

Doctor's probably out of shots but a randomized or poorly thought out kill is more likely to target the commuter twice.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Cop - Possibly Michelle
Tracker - Nova
Watcher
Doctor
Independent Cop - Colin
Commuter
Mason - Spiny/Boo,
Doublevoter - Nutella
Redirector - Vanity
Vigilante - TL
Jailkeeper - Nanook
Vanilla

Janitor - Mac
Role Cop - Eva
Godfather - Drago
Strongman - LC
Roleblocker - Elephant
Vanilla

3rd Party Independent - Presumably Radishes

Something like that.

[Jackofhearts2005]

With Texas probably as the other mason.

[Jackofhearts2005]

There's also a chance Texas Cloverleaf was scum if we assume Mac janitored the kill that night and it was redirected. Commuter might account for that (I'm not sure exactly how this role works here).

The other problem with this theory is that Mac was lynched and then TL was killed. So there's still a wolf alive regardless. Someone (Iaafr?) theorized that Texas could have been the other mason if not Eva. So the only thing that chances if the kill got redirected to a wolf is that the second mason is still alive.

[juliets]

I'm thinking Texas was the mason and they janitored it so someone could subtly pretend to be that role.

[juliets]

The best vote I can see at this time is LLD. I'm still bothered by Mac voting for her when he didn't bus anyone in his other votes but no one else feels like scum. What are the reasons for not voting her?

[Jackofhearts2005]

The best vote I can see at this time is LLD. I'm still bothered by Mac voting for her when he didn't bus anyone in his other votes but no one else feels like scum. What are the reasons for not voting her?

Crippling self doubt?

[Jackofhearts2005]

But really, it’s gotta be LLD at this point.

[VOTE: LLD] aubergine

[Pawn Lelouch]

@Quin These are the 6 roles that are listed. We haven't gotten the goon.

Janitor
Role Cop
Godfather
Strongman
Roleblocker
Vanilla

Well pretty sure that a blocker style role still exists right now in some form.

[Pawn Lelouch]

@Quin These are the 6 roles that are listed. We haven't gotten the goon.

Janitor
Role Cop
Godfather
Strongman
Roleblocker
Vanilla

Well pretty sure that a blocker style role still exists right now in some form.

Or wait, I'm dumb. Ignore the me that just woke up.

[juliets]

Guys I'm at the hospital with dad who is in critical condition. Don't know when I'll be home.

[Pawn Lelouch]

Guys I'm at the hospital with dad who is in critical condition. Don't know when I'll be home.

Here's hoping for his recovery and take as long as you need. That is vastly more important.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Guys I'm at the hospital with dad who is in critical condition. Don't know when I'll be home.

I'm so sorry, Juliets.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Guys I'm at the hospital with dad who is in critical condition. Don't know when I'll be home.

Thoughts are with you, juliets. We're always here for you; I hope for the best.

[juliets]

You guys, my dad died tonight. He had a large aneurysm that was inoperable. They were able to give him morphine so he wasn't in pain when he lost consciousness. I am so sad but need distraction so I won't pull out of the game. Thanks for your thoughts.

[juliets]

[VOTE: Lady Lambadelta] aubergine

[Pawn Lelouch]

Okay, I'll remove a bit of tinfoil from people. I can confirm Juliets as town, make of that as you will. That scenario can officially never exist.

[Pawn Lelouch]

Okay, I'll remove a bit of tinfoil from people. I can confirm Juliets as town, make of that as you will. That scenario can officially never exist.

That scenario meaning scum Juliets and 3p is heavily unlikely.

[ColinIsCool]

You guys, my dad died tonight. He had a large aneurysm that was inoperable. They were able to give him morphine so he wasn't in pain when he lost consciousness. I am so sad but need distraction so I won't pull out of the game. Thanks for your thoughts.

So sorry to read that juliets. Sending love.

[juliets]

You guys, my dad died tonight. He had a large aneurysm that was inoperable. They were able to give him morphine so he wasn't in pain when he lost consciousness. I am so sad but need distraction so I won't pull out of the game. Thanks for your thoughts.

So sorry to read that juliets. Sending love.

Thanks so much Colin that means a lot.

[Pawn Lelouch]

[mention]Lady LambdaDelta[/mention] [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] @[mention]Quin[/mention]

Alright time to claim you three. Did any of you start as a power role? That is all I'm asking, nothing about point totals, just did you start as a power role?

There should be a fairly obvious purpose for this when coupled with previous statements.

[Pawn Lelouch]

Actually this is within the bounds of the rules from my view so I'll stop being coy and there is no benefit to it. I know for certain that Juliets is a town aligned power role. I am another one. We generally agree that Radish is likely 3P.

So there is 3 players left and 1 town power role in the wild. The last two slots being vanilla and goon respectively. Here's how this works, whoever is town power role claim that you are. If you are not counter claimed then this turns into a 50-50 between the other two players with you clear. If you are counterclaimed then it turns into a 50-50 with you and the CCing player, the unclaimed is town VT.

This way no matter what we reduce the odds from a 1/3 before inputting evidence into a 1/2. The only way this could mess up is if a town player lies, do not be that person who makes our job harder than it needs to be.

Does this make sense to everyone?

[Quin]

@Lady LambdaDelta @Jackofhearts2005 @@Quin

Alright time to claim you three. Did any of you start as a power role? That is all I'm asking, nothing about point totals, just did you start as a power role?

There should be a fairly obvious purpose for this when coupled with previous statements.

If my role isn't already obvious after all the effort I've put into spelling it out, it'll be much more fun never talking about it again.

[Pawn Lelouch]

@Lady LambdaDelta @Jackofhearts2005 @@Quin

Alright time to claim you three. Did any of you start as a power role? That is all I'm asking, nothing about point totals, just did you start as a power role?

There should be a fairly obvious purpose for this when coupled with previous statements.

If my role isn't already obvious after all the effort I've put into spelling it out, it'll be much more fun never talking about it again.

Mind dragging up the posts in particular? Haven't exactly read back through the pages I missed yet and having it highlighted would be appreciated.

[Quin]

@Lady LambdaDelta @Jackofhearts2005 @@Quin

Alright time to claim you three. Did any of you start as a power role? That is all I'm asking, nothing about point totals, just did you start as a power role?

There should be a fairly obvious purpose for this when coupled with previous statements.

If my role isn't already obvious after all the effort I've put into spelling it out, it'll be much more fun never talking about it again.

Mind dragging up the posts in particular? Haven't exactly read back through the pages I missed yet and having it highlighted would be appreciated.

Just ISO me. I don't have that many posts.

[Pawn Lelouch]

Welcome to The Great Team Building Exercise of Inception Mafia

So firstly I'm not gonna force anyone to do this but it sounds like a fun idea so I'm gonna do it and if you like the idea then do it as well.

So, I just put the playerlist through random.org. I have created five random groups of six players. Your goal is to communicate only with the players inside of your group for ONE hour. Given where we're at with timezones I think coordinating it across all the players is probably impossible so make that hour whichever hour that you want. Hell if you want to just spend the rest of the day focused on these five players that's fine. Hell even if you just want to give them a cursory look to have some players to hone in on making reads on you can do that too. Basically it's just going to force people to look directly at a smaller set of players. This should help you read these people, perhaps find some townies to work with, hell maybe you'll make some friends even I don't fucking know.

Here are the lists;

Group 1 -
@Benson
@TonyStarkPrime
@Dragomir
@Quin
@Rej
@Lady LambdaDelta

Group 2 -

@MacDougall
@iaafr
@Dom
@Creature
@Long Con
@Trustworthy Liberal

Group 3 -

@112
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@nutella
@Epignosis
@DFaraday
@novaselinenever

Group 4 -

@Jackofhearts2005
@Spiny Creature
@sprityo
@Pawn Lelouch
@vanity.
@Hyena

Group 5 -

@Elephant
@juliets
@Michelle
@Evenstar
@Master Radishes
@Texas Cloverleaf

Knock yourselves out.

Was going back through Quin's ISO and noticed something. Mac + LC = 2 in a group. Elephant + Eva = 2 in a group. Dragomir + Quin/LLD in a group = 2 Would Mac have been blatant enough to have that pattern of 2 wolves per groups so that they could try and direct the conversation more within those groups? Possibly, need to look into this more, still it's a mildly good look for Jack.

[Pawn Lelouch]

@Lady LambdaDelta @Jackofhearts2005 @@Quin

Alright time to claim you three. Did any of you start as a power role? That is all I'm asking, nothing about point totals, just did you start as a power role?

There should be a fairly obvious purpose for this when coupled with previous statements.

If my role isn't already obvious after all the effort I've put into spelling it out, it'll be much more fun never talking about it again.

Mind dragging up the posts in particular? Haven't exactly read back through the pages I missed yet and having it highlighted would be appreciated.

Just ISO me. I don't have that many posts.

Dude it's 2 am and I have had a stressful night. Please just point out the posts.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yeah, I'm not rolehinting or roleclaiming. It's against the rules.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Locking thread momentarily. Stand by. Sorry for the inconvenience; I must address technical issues.

[Pawn Lelouch]

Yeah, I'm not rolehinting or roleclaiming. It's against the rules.

Fairly certain that merely claiming to have started with a power without any other specifications is not against the rules in regards to rolehinting or roleclaiming.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Subconscious Phase 11 has ended.

Pawn Lelouch has been eliminated by the hosts due to infodumping (public reveal of role-borne information). He was:

Spoiler: show

You are the subconscious aspect of sadness.

You represent an internal source of the mark’s vaguest melancholy and moodiness.

During any inception phase, you may select a player. You will be told who else targeted that player during the same inception phase if anyone. You begin the game with 6 role points.

You will win the game if all threats to the subconscious mind are eliminated.

Any questions or concerns about this should be directed to the hosts privately.

Quin has been eliminated (not by the hosts). He was:

Spoiler: show

You are the subconscious aspect of knowledge.

You represent the general accumulated learning of the mark: academic, procedural, social, and otherwise.

You begin the game with the knowledge that REDACTED is an aspect of the subconscious and not an intruder.

REDACTED

You will win the game if all threats to the subconscious mind are eliminated.

Inception Phase 11 begins now. You will have until Friday at 6:00 EST to get your actions to Sloonei and I.

[juliets]

[mention]Master Radishes[/mention] , [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] help what is going on I understand Pawn was mod killed but not much else.

[juliets]

I guess Quin was poisoned?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]juliets[/mention] the thread is locked for a night phase.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Subconscious Phase 11

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Have you ever dreamed of watching paint dry?
The surreality of the experience lends it a certain intrigue it lacks in reality.
Do liquids and solids still respect the general trends of physics in a world that isn't physical?
Can you manipulate the scene such that you watch dry paint become wet?
You consider this quietly as you nibble your baguette.

Inception Phase 11 has ended.

Subconscious Phase 12 begins now. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

[juliets]

WOW no night kill again?? Also sorry guys for posting after the thread was closed. My mind was tired and I was confused.

Such bad luck that we lost Pawn and Quin, especially since Pawn was back with us. RIP you guys.

My brain is not functioning on all cylinders for obvious reasons. What are our best choices from here? Do we no lynch? Seems like there is some theory about the town no lynching when they're at f4 and no idea who's bad.

Anyway, love to hear some thoughts.

[juliets]

Helllllooooooooo, anybody out there?

[Sloonei]

Thread was locked. Apologies, as always.

[juliets]

Lol, I seem to be an expert at posting in locked threads.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Note to self: make a priority out of determining how the thread locks its own damned self to prevent it in the future. Don't mind this post.

[juliets]

So Radishes is probably in bed and Jack is with family/shopping/eating/rabble rousing. And I don't know about LLD.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Wolf kills can't simply have been stopped by the mechanics we know about or by scum LLD not submitting kills. If Jay hadn't flat said the wolf kill would be randomized after Mac died, I'd assume there was no wolf team.

I'm assuming Quin (who did not have the most votes at the time) died to poison, which implies even day (odd night, I guess) poison is NOT Radish's power as we previously suspected. Getting to kill more than every other night and killing multiple townies implies Radishes is LMS.

So we probably moved into kingmaker territory unless Radishes poisoned LLD.