The Wire Mafia [END]

[boo]

I’m here for fifteen minutes. Please say things I can react to so I can feel like a participatory member of this game.

You’re scum for lying low yesterday.

This is a WIFOM trap and I don’t like it.

Interesting. Explain.

There is basically no normal response I could give to the post that I (and presumably you) wouldn’t be able to read and create an argument for in either direction. Now you’ve played with me a few times and so I’m not doubting that as best as I try to hide it I’d give off a sort of meta tone read but I don’t think it’s consistent.
So like:

General list of defenses

Angry response
apology
Shrug off
Meta defense


I can’t say which of these I’d be more likely to give as scum or town. Probably depends more on my mood and like whatever comes to mind first. There are players who I think I would have a better idea of what they’d do but that can be manipulated too.

So what do you think of me for asking the question?

It’s an interesting, if not good, question. You’re a better townie than me but have a more similar playstyle as town than the average player. I have a penchant for WIFOM questions when I’m town. So I’m not going to straight up call it scum, but because you didn’t build a stupid case (yet I suppose) it looks a little better.Therefore, NAI on the first question with slight town read on the follow-up direction.

Wut

[Sloonei]

I can answer you both at the same time, I think. When I'm mafia, I feel the need to have *cases* to make in order to appear Civ. Maybe that Predators/Prey Mafia game is a good reference? I don't know. When I'm Civ, I am more lazy and accrue suspicion for not having enough solid opinions.

So, there's no good reason to be giving me a solid townread for my Day 1. It looks more like my baddie game. The reason I get through my evil games with "minimal suspicion" (which is seriously questionable) is that I act Civ well, with believable cases, and carefully crafted deception. Not sowing chaos. Maybe you're thinking of Jack or Mac?

And the Britney thing was me.

It wasn’t the case itself. It was your attitude towards the lynch that I liked. I won’t stop you from working through your own read on m, but I’m gonna maintain my town read on you until you’ve given me a reason not to.

[boo]

I can answer you both at the same time, I think. When I'm mafia, I feel the need to have *cases* to make in order to appear Civ. Maybe that Predators/Prey Mafia game is a good reference? I don't know. When I'm Civ, I am more lazy and accrue suspicion for not having enough solid opinions.

So, there's no good reason to be giving me a solid townread for my Day 1. It looks more like my baddie game. The reason I get through my evil games with "minimal suspicion" (which is seriously questionable) is that I act Civ well, with believable cases, and carefully crafted deception. Not sowing chaos. Maybe you're thinking of Jack or Mac?

And the Britney thing was me.

Sure, but acting civ well and creating cases when mafia *is* sowing chaos, because you know the cases are BS (or in 2 mafia team environment, there's not really any reason to actually care if the case is correct, only if it's believeable).

And yea, thought so. So that's probably the real answer then, isn't it?

[Sloonei]

I think I like Tony’s responses to my questions. But Tony’s scum game in Fallout fooled me hard and I’m incapable of looking past it.

[Long Con]

I can answer you both at the same time, I think. When I'm mafia, I feel the need to have *cases* to make in order to appear Civ. Maybe that Predators/Prey Mafia game is a good reference? I don't know. When I'm Civ, I am more lazy and accrue suspicion for not having enough solid opinions.

So, there's no good reason to be giving me a solid townread for my Day 1. It looks more like my baddie game. The reason I get through my evil games with "minimal suspicion" (which is seriously questionable) is that I act Civ well, with believable cases, and carefully crafted deception. Not sowing chaos. Maybe you're thinking of Jack or Mac?

And the Britney thing was me.

Sure, but acting civ well and creating cases when mafia *is* sowing chaos, because you know the cases are BS (or in 2 mafia team environment, there's not really any reason to actually care if the case is correct, only if it's believeable).

And yea, thought so. So that's probably the real answer then, isn't it?

Oops, I did it again.

[Jackofhearts2005]

How do phone users play mafia even

By the seat of our pants.

[boo]

I think I like Tony’s responses to my questions. But Tony’s scum game in Fallout fooled me hard and I’m incapable of looking past it.

I don't get his responses. I mean, they exist, which is nice. But I'm genuinely not able to discern any actual meaning. His last few posts feel so... Turing Test. Oooh, is that it? Is he an AI and I just made him fail? That'd be cool.

[boo]

How do phone users play mafia even

By the seat of our pants.

Incorrect. The answer we were looking for was, "On their phones".

[Jackofhearts2005]

Lol hax

[nutella]

I’m here for fifteen minutes. Please say things I can react to so I can feel like a participatory member of this game.

You’re scum for lying low yesterday.

This is a WIFOM trap and I don’t like it.

Interesting. Explain.

There is basically no normal response I could give to the post that I (and presumably you) wouldn’t be able to read and create an argument for in either direction. Now you’ve played with me a few times and so I’m not doubting that as best as I try to hide it I’d give off a sort of meta tone read but I don’t think it’s consistent.
So like:

General list of defenses

Angry response
apology
Shrug off
Meta defense


I can’t say which of these I’d be more likely to give as scum or town. Probably depends more on my mood and like whatever comes to mind first. There are players who I think I would have a better idea of what they’d do but that can be manipulated too.

I don't get this post and I kinda think it's scummy

[nutella]

maybe Tony is w/w with either one of sloonei or speed and that's why he asked me if I still thought they could be

[boo]

I’m here for fifteen minutes. Please say things I can react to so I can feel like a participatory member of this game.

You’re scum for lying low yesterday.

This is a WIFOM trap and I don’t like it.

Interesting. Explain.

There is basically no normal response I could give to the post that I (and presumably you) wouldn’t be able to read and create an argument for in either direction. Now you’ve played with me a few times and so I’m not doubting that as best as I try to hide it I’d give off a sort of meta tone read but I don’t think it’s consistent.
So like:

General list of defenses

Angry response
apology
Shrug off
Meta defense


I can’t say which of these I’d be more likely to give as scum or town. Probably depends more on my mood and like whatever comes to mind first. There are players who I think I would have a better idea of what they’d do but that can be manipulated too.

I don't get this post and I kinda think it's scummy

I think it's kinda sad, when robots playin' mafia it's a very, very... MAD WORLD.

No, just me? Okay.

But yea. Agreed LA.

[Jackofhearts2005]

What if I think Speed and DDL are both town?

[nutella]

I’m here for fifteen minutes. Please say things I can react to so I can feel like a participatory member of this game.

You’re scum for lying low yesterday.

This is a WIFOM trap and I don’t like it.

Interesting. Explain.

There is basically no normal response I could give to the post that I (and presumably you) wouldn’t be able to read and create an argument for in either direction. Now you’ve played with me a few times and so I’m not doubting that as best as I try to hide it I’d give off a sort of meta tone read but I don’t think it’s consistent.
So like:

General list of defenses

Angry response
apology
Shrug off
Meta defense


I can’t say which of these I’d be more likely to give as scum or town. Probably depends more on my mood and like whatever comes to mind first. There are players who I think I would have a better idea of what they’d do but that can be manipulated too.

So what do you think of me for asking the question?

It’s an interesting, if not good, question. You’re a better townie than me but have a more similar playstyle as town than the average player. I have a penchant for WIFOM questions when I’m town. So I’m not going to straight up call it scum, but because you didn’t build a stupid case (yet I suppose) it looks a little better.Therefore, NAI on the first question with slight town read on the follow-up direction.

I'm honestly so lost and not in a good way.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Are you ever lost in a good way?

[boo]

What if I think Speed and DDL are both town?

LA will insist you reconsider Speed, for a start. Probably. I don't get that one either, tbh.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Nutella is town too btw. I’ll get to Creature eventually.

[boo]

Are you ever lost in a good way?

It is literally her addiction, so yes.

[nutella]

I think I like Tony’s responses to my questions. But Tony’s scum game in Fallout fooled me hard and I’m incapable of looking past it.

I don't get his responses. I mean, they exist, which is nice. But I'm genuinely not able to discern any actual meaning. His last few posts feel so... Turing Test. Oooh, is that it? Is he an AI and I just made him fail? That'd be cool.

Lol I've got a mindmeld with mister bishop over here

[Sloonei]

Why do we dislike that response from Tony? [mention]nutella[/mention] [mention]boo[/mention]

[boo]

I think I like Tony’s responses to my questions. But Tony’s scum game in Fallout fooled me hard and I’m incapable of looking past it.

I don't get his responses. I mean, they exist, which is nice. But I'm genuinely not able to discern any actual meaning. His last few posts feel so... Turing Test. Oooh, is that it? Is he an AI and I just made him fail? That'd be cool.

Lol I've got a mindmeld with mister bishop over here

There's a 99% chance you just implied your a cow.

[nutella]

What if I think Speed and DDL are both town?

What do those two names have to do with each other?

[nutella]

Are you ever lost in a good way?

[nutella]

(totally could have also made a reference to lost the show lol)

[nutella]

Are you ever lost in a good way?

It is literally her addiction, so yes.

hahaha well it was twelve years ago

[Sloonei]

My positive interpretation is that Tony responded to my question very assertively. Scum Tony might have fallen into any of those traps he listed.

My negative interpretation is that Scum Tony is clever enough to come up with an assertive response to a question like that. He doesn’t want to appear soft, so he throws the question back in my face.

Typing it out now, I actually think I feel more strongly about the latter. Interesting.

[nutella]

I think I like Tony’s responses to my questions. But Tony’s scum game in Fallout fooled me hard and I’m incapable of looking past it.

I don't get his responses. I mean, they exist, which is nice. But I'm genuinely not able to discern any actual meaning. His last few posts feel so... Turing Test. Oooh, is that it? Is he an AI and I just made him fail? That'd be cool.

Lol I've got a mindmeld with mister bishop over here

There's a 99% chance you just implied your a cow.

I never actually watched enough Fringe to get this one lol

[nutella]

Why do we dislike that response from Tony? @nutella @boo

I don't understand what he's even talking about. And even what I can discern from it is that he is making a point of having some bizarre argument with you and then coming out with a "null to townread" on you which is vague and w/w-ish.

[nutella]

My positive interpretation is that Tony responded to my question very assertively. Scum Tony might have fallen into any of those traps he listed.

My negative interpretation is that Scum Tony is clever enough to come up with an assertive response to a question like that. He doesn’t want to appear soft, so he throws the question back in my face.

Typing it out now, I actually think I feel more strongly about the latter. Interesting.

yeah this too. I'm inclined to think scum tony is more likely to have thought through that whole pile of bizarrely specific analysis

[Sloonei]

I think I like Tony’s responses to my questions. But Tony’s scum game in Fallout fooled me hard and I’m incapable of looking past it.

I don't get his responses. I mean, they exist, which is nice. But I'm genuinely not able to discern any actual meaning. His last few posts feel so... Turing Test. Oooh, is that it? Is he an AI and I just made him fail? That'd be cool.

Lol I've got a mindmeld with mister bishop over here

There's a 99% chance you just implied your a cow.

I never actually watched enough Fringe to get this one lol

Shame.

[boo]

I think I like Tony’s responses to my questions. But Tony’s scum game in Fallout fooled me hard and I’m incapable of looking past it.

I don't get his responses. I mean, they exist, which is nice. But I'm genuinely not able to discern any actual meaning. His last few posts feel so... Turing Test. Oooh, is that it? Is he an AI and I just made him fail? That'd be cool.

Lol I've got a mindmeld with mister bishop over here

There's a 99% chance you just implied your a cow.

I never actually watched enough Fringe to get this one lol

Walter kept a pet cow in the lab that he experimented on. Iirc, at one point he used her for early mind connection research.

[Jackofhearts2005]

What if I think Speed and DDL are both town?

What do those two names have to do with each other?

People were saying Speed was suspicious. DDL has votes.

I townread both.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I couldn’t think of a joke about their names being similar cause they aren’t.

[boo]

My positive interpretation is that Tony responded to my question very assertively. Scum Tony might have fallen into any of those traps he listed.

My negative interpretation is that Scum Tony is clever enough to come up with an assertive response to a question like that. He doesn’t want to appear soft, so he throws the question back in my face.

Typing it out now, I actually think I feel more strongly about the latter. Interesting.

Other than the part where he listed those traps, I got no meaning out of those posts he made. Like you said, the posts weren't soft. But. Assertive I don't agree with. They felt like the absolute barest minimum to be involved without actually getting involved. Because he used those posts to justify votes that... I have no idea how he got to.

[Sloonei]

I’m going to submit one of my two half-finished games to the next Job queue. Should I do Radiohead or Fringe?

[nutella]

I think I like Tony’s responses to my questions. But Tony’s scum game in Fallout fooled me hard and I’m incapable of looking past it.

I don't get his responses. I mean, they exist, which is nice. But I'm genuinely not able to discern any actual meaning. His last few posts feel so... Turing Test. Oooh, is that it? Is he an AI and I just made him fail? That'd be cool.

Lol I've got a mindmeld with mister bishop over here

There's a 99% chance you just implied your a cow.

I never actually watched enough Fringe to get this one lol

Walter kept a pet cow in the lab that he experimented on. Iirc, at one point he used her for early mind connection research.

That actually sounds somewhat familiar (but maybe I've been incepted lol) was it in season 1 bc I think I only ever watched season 1 but even my memories of that are vague

[Jackofhearts2005]

I got half a mind to throw down a townread on Tony just to be controversial but I haven’t really got a bead on him.

[nutella]

What if I think Speed and DDL are both town?

What do those two names have to do with each other?

People were saying Speed was suspicious. DDL has votes.

I townread both.

lol ok dude. how bout sloon

[Sloonei]

My positive interpretation is that Tony responded to my question very assertively. Scum Tony might have fallen into any of those traps he listed.

My negative interpretation is that Scum Tony is clever enough to come up with an assertive response to a question like that. He doesn’t want to appear soft, so he throws the question back in my face.

Typing it out now, I actually think I feel more strongly about the latter. Interesting.

Other than the part where he listed those traps, I got no meaning out of those posts he made. Like you said, the posts weren't soft. But. Assertive I don't agree with. They felt like the absolute barest minimum to be involved without actually getting involved. Because he used those posts to justify votes that... I have no idea how he got to.

By “assertive” I just mean he answered the original question on his own terms, rather than defaulting to a limp response in the face of pressure.

[Sloonei]

I think I like Tony’s responses to my questions. But Tony’s scum game in Fallout fooled me hard and I’m incapable of looking past it.

I don't get his responses. I mean, they exist, which is nice. But I'm genuinely not able to discern any actual meaning. His last few posts feel so... Turing Test. Oooh, is that it? Is he an AI and I just made him fail? That'd be cool.

Lol I've got a mindmeld with mister bishop over here

There's a 99% chance you just implied your a cow.

I never actually watched enough Fringe to get this one lol

Walter kept a pet cow in the lab that he experimented on. Iirc, at one point he used her for early mind connection research.

That actually sounds somewhat familiar (but maybe I've been incepted lol) was it in season 1 bc I think I only ever watched season 1 but even my memories of that are vague

The cow is there throughout. It’s been too long for me remember any specific bits with it though.

[Jackofhearts2005]

What if I think Speed and DDL are both town?

What do those two names have to do with each other?

People were saying Speed was suspicious. DDL has votes.

I townread both.

lol ok dude. how bout sloon

Scum?

[boo]

I think I like Tony’s responses to my questions. But Tony’s scum game in Fallout fooled me hard and I’m incapable of looking past it.

I don't get his responses. I mean, they exist, which is nice. But I'm genuinely not able to discern any actual meaning. His last few posts feel so... Turing Test. Oooh, is that it? Is he an AI and I just made him fail? That'd be cool.

Lol I've got a mindmeld with mister bishop over here

There's a 99% chance you just implied your a cow.

I never actually watched enough Fringe to get this one lol

Walter kept a pet cow in the lab that he experimented on. Iirc, at one point he used her for early mind connection research.

That actually sounds somewhat familiar (but maybe I've been incepted lol) was it in season 1 bc I think I only ever watched season 1 but even my memories of that are vague

yea, it would be S1, fairly early on. In later seasons the cow (Betty? B...eatrice? Pretty sure she had a B name) mostly existed for pretty meh jokes about milking and teats.

[boo]

I’m going to submit one of my two half-finished games to the next Job queue. Should I do Radiohead or Fringe?

fringe. With no observer player roles. But observers still win the game.

[Sloonei]

I’m going to submit one of my two half-finished games to the next Job queue. Should I do Radiohead or Fringe?

fringe. With no observer player roles. But observers still win the game.

All the roles are actually just gonna be Walter’s favorite snacks.

[TonyStarkPrime]

My positive interpretation is that Tony responded to my question very assertively. Scum Tony might have fallen into any of those traps he listed.

My negative interpretation is that Scum Tony is clever enough to come up with an assertive response to a question like that. He doesn’t want to appear soft, so he throws the question back in my face.

Typing it out now, I actually think I feel more strongly about the latter. Interesting.

Other than the part where he listed those traps, I got no meaning out of those posts he made. Like you said, the posts weren't soft. But. Assertive I don't agree with. They felt like the absolute barest minimum to be involved without actually getting involved. Because he used those posts to justify votes that... I have no idea how he got to.

I mean it was a random post philosophy discussion. I live for that. But anyone who attempts to find game relevant meaning will probably come up empty handed.
How did I use those posts to justify votes?

[TonyStarkPrime]

My positive interpretation is that Tony responded to my question very assertively. Scum Tony might have fallen into any of those traps he listed.

My negative interpretation is that Scum Tony is clever enough to come up with an assertive response to a question like that. He doesn’t want to appear soft, so he throws the question back in my face.

Typing it out now, I actually think I feel more strongly about the latter. Interesting.

I think town Tony is more likely to not want to appear soft I can do a self analysis if you want but it’s all WIFOM.

[TonyStarkPrime]

You’re scum for lying low yesterday.

This is a WIFOM trap and I don’t like it.

Interesting. Explain.

There is basically no normal response I could give to the post that I (and presumably you) wouldn’t be able to read and create an argument for in either direction. Now you’ve played with me a few times and so I’m not doubting that as best as I try to hide it I’d give off a sort of meta tone read but I don’t think it’s consistent.
So like:

General list of defenses

Angry response
apology
Shrug off
Meta defense


I can’t say which of these I’d be more likely to give as scum or town. Probably depends more on my mood and like whatever comes to mind first. There are players who I think I would have a better idea of what they’d do but that can be manipulated too.

So what do you think of me for asking the question?

It’s an interesting, if not good, question. You’re a better townie than me but have a more similar playstyle as town than the average player. I have a penchant for WIFOM questions when I’m town. So I’m not going to straight up call it scum, but because you didn’t build a stupid case (yet I suppose) it looks a little better.Therefore, NAI on the first question with slight town read on the follow-up direction.

Wut

Question = bad
Why is the question bad? Scum use the question to build stupid cases and then yell at me for getting into a meta discussion which Sloonei knows I’m prone to do.

Why could the question be good? I would ask it because I think there’s value in the long run in trying to understand the psyche of each player even if I don’t actually think much could ever be ascertained in this game. That’s a possible town motivation or a possible scum motivation.

Why is it not bad here? Well at the time of posting Sloonei hadn’t made a stupid WIFOM argument about it yet.

Does that clarify?

I suppose it’s stupid to say that it’s bad for Sloonei to ask a WIFOM question and then continue in that line without saying the question is inherently scum, but I think you can ask the question and ascertain info that doesn’t lead to a WIFOM argument.

[TonyStarkPrime]

How do phone users play mafia even

By the seat of our pants.

It’s easy I think but my computer is a piece of trash and I hate it so phones just seem more efficient.
It also slows me down which means I have to structure posts a little better than the stream of consciousness things I could say otherwise.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’m here for fifteen minutes. Please say things I can react to so I can feel like a participatory member of this game.

You’re scum for lying low yesterday.

This is a WIFOM trap and I don’t like it.

Interesting. Explain.

There is basically no normal response I could give to the post that I (and presumably you) wouldn’t be able to read and create an argument for in either direction. Now you’ve played with me a few times and so I’m not doubting that as best as I try to hide it I’d give off a sort of meta tone read but I don’t think it’s consistent.
So like:

General list of defenses

Angry response
apology
Shrug off
Meta defense


I can’t say which of these I’d be more likely to give as scum or town. Probably depends more on my mood and like whatever comes to mind first. There are players who I think I would have a better idea of what they’d do but that can be manipulated too.

I don't get this post and I kinda think it's scummy

Do you not get it as in you think the logic is unclear or do you not understand why it is the way it is
cause I feel a compulsive desire to expand on the former if necessary and couldn’t care less if it’s something else.

[Sloonei]

I do not know that you are prone to engage in meta discussions.