The Wire Mafia [END]

[speedchuck]

My 2 top candidates I think are boo and Sloonei/speedchuck (because I’m vibing with nutella rn)

Interesting

[Sloonei]

Hot take: Anyone talking about voting Boo for their desire to policylynch an inactive is scum.

I'm sort of joking, but not entirely. Culture clash, in instances like this, is not a good reason to vote someone. It's perfectly reasonable in some mafia cultures to see a double lynch and be like "Oh, jeez, town can hardly handle one lynch, much less two. Here's a person that needs to be kicked out of the game anyway, to make it easier on the host, more fun for the players, and to make things simpler. Let's go."

And I don't want to hear that I'm reading too much into Boo's vote, because that's exactly what everyone else is doing. Six years ago, on my home sight, I would have absolutely voted Zemmi in this situation.

boo is a syndicate native, fwiw. he just hasn't been around much recently.

[Long Con]

I'm thinking lynching zemmi is actually a good idea conceptually, now. But the fact so many people seem to be onboard with it is giving me pause.

Nah. Why would the Mafia team care about bussing a nonplayer member of their team? That's the easiest bus ever. I'll get on that boo vote. [VOTE: boo] aubergine

Didn’t you say earlier you were fine voting Zemmi for the same reason as Boo?

What, you want me to do your research for you?

[Long Con]

Boo doesn’t seem to like me but we actually agree that inactives should die or get active

[VOTE: Zummi] aubergine

Especially on a day we get to kill two people, either play the game or die.

It's not personal. I just can't do anything with the playstyle you exhibited on D1, and find it actively not fun to play with.

But it's nice to see someone else who likes killing inactives. People are way to passive about assuming replacements rain from the sky and my least favourite thing about hosting is having to make the call to boot someone who just isn't around, assuming I even have a replacement available to do it.

Why do your preferences as a host have any bearing on your actions as a player looking for scum?

Shit, is this one of those games where you can't casually converse while you play?

I suppose my underlying accusation is that boo’s reason for voting Zemmi is frivolous and made-up.

That's more palatable.

[speedchuck]

Hot take: Anyone talking about voting Boo for their desire to policylynch an inactive is scum.

I'm sort of joking, but not entirely. Culture clash, in instances like this, is not a good reason to vote someone. It's perfectly reasonable in some mafia cultures to see a double lynch and be like "Oh, jeez, town can hardly handle one lynch, much less two. Here's a person that needs to be kicked out of the game anyway, to make it easier on the host, more fun for the players, and to make things simpler. Let's go."

And I don't want to hear that I'm reading too much into Boo's vote, because that's exactly what everyone else is doing. Six years ago, on my home sight, I would have absolutely voted Zemmi in this situation.

boo is a syndicate native, fwiw. he just hasn't been around much recently.

Doesn't mean much if the syndicate's changed a bunch.

You guys used to not give victories to dead townies.

But that's a little more fair.

[Sloonei]

Bored and wired at 2 AM, let's continue doing ISOs

Checking the game's activity so far I predict a town loss

Sorry can't do much now

But I can shittalk

Yeah, that's Creature alright.

Creature is scum

Because I'm not being toxic enough?

Some self-awareness. What does self-awareness mean for creature? I don't know.

We are somewhat fucked

Somewhat not

Dw I've basically got the game solved.

If your solve is what speedchuck got so far then we're completely fucked

Oh, did speed touch a nerve? Again, I don't know. But he voted for sig shortly after this:

Guess I'll have to make it happen

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Oh man oh man oh man

How painful can boredom be?

Do you have some hunches? Some impressions? For example, from some of my posts? Or others like nut/dom or Mac whom you followed up with voting.

I sorta townread your posts actually

Tell me why.

After slapping a similarly non-descript town read on sig, Creature votes for Dragomir because...

Scratch that, he does elaborate on that town read a bit here. I guess that's something. I don't really see why sig's post would be unbelievable coming from scum. I don't expect Creature to tell me.

I don't think anyone should be easing up on Creature just because Jack says he's Civ on Day 1. Is that what's happening?

Yes you should. I’ve correctly pegged town Creature on D1 in like four games.

But I didn’t say he was town here.

lmao
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Hey, this vote actually appears to make sense in an easily digestible way. If I'm reading the Creature enigma correctly, he thinks LC is trying to concoct some nonsense drama against him, and that warrants a vote. Super cool, I feel proud. I guess I'd even award Creature a townie point for the vote, but it's also easy to read this as an opportunistic vote that just dropped into his lap.

His activity today has been a nondescript vote for me before flaking, which annoys me. I can't do much with this, but that's Creature's MO. I think I've seen both Creature's town and scum games but I can't recall if there was a whole lot of difference between them. I'll lean scum for the sake of choosing a side, but that's a shot in the dark.

[mention]Creature[/mention] can you explain why I'm not town?
Who else would you like to vote for today?
Why is Rej town?

[Sloonei]

never mind I have less energy than I thought. meh. DDL looked mostly good when I could keep my eyes open. I'll continue to town read him, but with a little more gusto now. Pre-entrance Sloonei was wrong.

[Sloonei]

and a concern before i go: nutella has a long history of suspecting me in most games. But usually these reads are volatile, as is her style, coming and going multiple times in the same day phase. But in this game she's been unwavering. I do not know how I feel about that. In our most recent game together (Australian Murder Mystery) she was mafia and I was town, and she for once did not go after me at all, which was alarming. We've swung to the opposite extreme here. Is it overcompensation? Or is she just starting to pursue reads with more confidence?

[nutella]

Sloonei if you read right after creature's LC vote it was because he thought LC had basically slipped in thinking Jack had called him town, which I thought was dumb because I also had thought Jack had called creature town and did not understand the idea that LC was "caught." I don't get why you think that was such a good vote.

[nutella]

Or maybe I'm the one who misinterpreted it, but from the surrounding posts I thought that's what he meant about LC being "caught."

[Sloonei]

Sloonei if you read right after creature's LC vote it was because he thought LC had basically slipped in thinking Jack had called him town, which I thought was dumb because I also had thought Jack had called creature town and did not understand the idea that LC was "caught." I don't get why you think that was such a good vote.

that is not how i interpreted it.

linki:

[nutella]

and a concern before i go: nutella has a long history of suspecting me in most games. But usually these reads are volatile, as is her style, coming and going multiple times in the same day phase. But in this game she's been unwavering. I do not know how I feel about that. In our most recent game together (Australian Murder Mystery) she was mafia and I was town, and she for once did not go after me at all, which was alarming. We've swung to the opposite extreme here. Is it overcompensation? Or is she just starting to pursue reads with more confidence?

It's a sign that I'm right.

[nutella]

Sloonei if you read right after creature's LC vote it was because he thought LC had basically slipped in thinking Jack had called him town, which I thought was dumb because I also had thought Jack had called creature town and did not understand the idea that LC was "caught." I don't get why you think that was such a good vote.

that is not how i interpreted it.

linki:

see these posts immediately following the vote

Can we make this the most embarrassing a scum got caught?

Can we please lynch Long Con?

see post 146

(146 is where Jack claims he never said he townread creature)

It's not necessarily a scumslip but hella scummy it is

[Sloonei]

it can't be that.

[nutella]

for extra context from my pov, Jack's initial posts on creature were a response to ddl's issues saying "have you met creature?" and then explaining that creature has easily distinguishable town and scum games, and to me it certainly seemed to imply at the time that Jack was disagreeing with ddl's reasons for suspecting creature, based on meta, and was therefore probably townreading creature based on meta.
so to me, it was reasonable to assume that Jack had said something to that effect, which is why I found no issue with LC having the same assumption. but it's quite clear that that assumption is what creature took issue with in LC.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei if you read right after creature's LC vote it was because he thought LC had basically slipped in thinking Jack had called him town, which I thought was dumb because I also had thought Jack had called creature town and did not understand the idea that LC was "caught." I don't get why you think that was such a good vote.

that is not how i interpreted it.

linki:

see these posts immediately following the vote

Can we make this the most embarrassing a scum got caught?

Can we please lynch Long Con?

see post 146

(146 is where Jack claims he never said he townread creature)

It's not necessarily a scumslip but hella scummy it is

I know, i see all that. Maybe you're right. But my initial interpretation was that Creature felt LC was trying to make up a phony excuse to call him a suspect.
He should comment. Right now, at 3 AM.

[Sloonei]

for extra context from my pov, Jack's initial posts on creature were a response to ddl's issues saying "have you met creature?" and then explaining that creature has easily distinguishable town and scum games, and to me it certainly seemed to imply at the time that Jack was disagreeing with ddl's reasons for suspecting creature, based on meta, and was therefore probably townreading creature based on meta.
so to me, it was reasonable to assume that Jack had said something to that effect, which is why I found no issue with LC having the same assumption. but it's quite clear that that assumption is what creature took issue with in LC.

I see. Not strictly relevant, but one of the things I liked in the DDL ISO that I abandoned was the quick turn around in posts 54 & 55, where he went from implying suspicion to implying a town read on Creature without any pressure on Day 0. Scum DDL has no reason to make conflicting posts like that, and it's the sort of thing that's too minute for me to believe it was fabricated.

So I dunno if DDL had definitively expressed suspicion of Creature. But that's a different subject entirely.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don’t really have time to play this game properly with the size and volume it’s at right now, so I’m pretty much just sheeping one of my votes to nutella cause I’m pretty sure she’s town (my other vote is still for zemmi cause if you aren’t gonna play the game then I’m gonna vote for you almost automatically at this stage).

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

This also might fall under the category of “things you think but don’t say,” but fuck it—I’m kinda surprised that there’s been continual suspicion of me to the point that even having read at most a third of the thread I’m aware of it, and yet there’s nobody voting me. Says to me there’s probably scum (Colin) in the people (Colin) sharing me without voting (Colin), cause someone (Colin) is probably trying to set me up in future days for a mis-kill (Colin).

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

(Sig fits that mold too actually but it’s less funny when you use two names)

[Long Con]

it can't be that.

Oh, it's that. nutella has it 100% right.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

This also might fall under the category of “things you think but don’t say,” but fuck it—I’m kinda surprised that there’s been continual suspicion of me to the point that even having read at most a third of the thread I’m aware of it, and yet there’s nobody voting me. Says to me there’s probably scum (Colin) in the people (Colin) sharing me without voting (Colin), cause someone (Colin) is probably trying to set me up in future days for a mis-kill (Colin).

I'm not a fan of you in this game but I've mislynched the marmots and wilgys too much to know that persecuting the clown is usually not worth the trouble.

You usually just leave the clown alone and quietly hope they will be solved with investigation/kill abilities so you don't have to figure them out later.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

And besides even though you aren't being very useful I can see a civ thinking the way you are.

So meh.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Fwiw I’ll probably be a bit more serious when the game narrows down more.

I don’t see a problem with having fun until then, this is a game after all

[Long Con]

Fwiw I’ll probably be a bit more serious when the game narrows down more.

I don’t see a problem with having fun until then, this is a game after all

I support your style 100%.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Cool with me too.

[DrWilgy]

Nanook has got to play with wilgy and/or marmot someday

I don't know these names please tell me more about them

Spoiler: show

That's a good lookin cactass

Oh also he fed speed shrimp sensually or something.

It’s impossible for shrimp consumption to not be sensual tbh

This is the truth. Hello Nanook, pleasure to make your acquaintance.

[Jackofhearts2005]

it can't be that.

What can’t be what? I don’t get what you and Nutella and LC are arguing about here.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Fwiw I’ll probably be a bit more serious when the game narrows down more.

I don’t see a problem with having fun until then, this is a game after all

I support your style 100%.

<3

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook has got to play with wilgy and/or marmot someday

I don't know these names please tell me more about them

Spoiler: show

That's a good lookin cactass

Oh also he fed speed shrimp sensually or something.

It’s impossible for shrimp consumption to not be sensual tbh

This is the truth. Hello Nanook, pleasure to make your acquaintance.

Hello wilgy I’ve heard a lot of good things about you so I’m assuming we’re already friends

In which case I guess I should say hello, old friend

[Sloonei]

it can't be that.

What can’t be what? I don’t get what you and Nutella and LC are arguing about here.

My alignment. They apparently know something about me that I do not.

[Sloonei]

I should not spend a lot of time playing mafia today, but i’m also leading in a double lynch poll and have been the entire time. That’s obnoxious, especially when only two of the voters have expressed a reason to vote for me.

Colin looks bad. Tony looks uninspiring. Rej made one reads post and dipped. Let’s look at people who might actually deserve to be lynched today.

[nutella]

it can't be that.

What can’t be what? I don’t get what you and Nutella and LC are arguing about here.

Me being right

[Sloonei]

it can't be that.

What can’t be what? I don’t get what you and Nutella and LC are arguing about here.

Me being right

Humor me and assume I am town. What do you do next?

[nutella]

it can't be that.

What can’t be what? I don’t get what you and Nutella and LC are arguing about here.

Me being right

Humor me and assume I am town. What do you do next?

Probably lynch some set of Tony/Colin/Speed

[Dragon D. Luffy]

boo's not stupid. That's not what I meant. My point is I put a vote on boo because I did not have a read on them and had no place else to put it. We all realize that votes are changeable, right? Watch:

I moved my second vote to tony, because his response to me last night was wacky.

I don't like how you are letting pressure from someone else's vote on you change who you are voting for.

[nutella]

Interestingly enough my top two suspects are voting for Tony, whom I also suspect. I figure if Tony is bad then I'm probably wrong about at least one of the two.

[nutella]

Speed actually basically mindmelded with me re: Tony which is p funny

[Sloonei]

boo's not stupid. That's not what I meant. My point is I put a vote on boo because I did not have a read on them and had no place else to put it. We all realize that votes are changeable, right? Watch:

I moved my second vote to tony, because his response to me last night was wacky.

I don't like how you are letting pressure from someone else's vote on you change who you are voting for.

The vote was never a strong one anyway, and at the time I thought I was being told that boo only voted for me because I had voted him first. My vote change was more about me rolling my eyes at that notion than “responding to pressure.”
I’ve since realized that that was not the case, but I ISO’d boo and felt more good than bad about him.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

didnt knew defenses aren't welcome here

also people can never read me lmao

ayayyy

First the ISO to my voters:

DDL: Has a misinterpretation of things against me. Doesn't like me for reasons. Tho I agree with him on the points against boo. Boo voted Drago off with uss and then he tried to sell us a Zemmi lynch possibility. His vote on boo was well placed, seems town.
Oh and yes Dragon D. Luffy I am a noob, what attracts me in mafia are mechanics and setups and roles, I just admire the mindgaming in the DPs and I can't reach that level yet.

Didn't know or think you were a noob before then and still don't think now. You have more games under your belt than I can count with one hand, that doesn't qualify as noob anymore in my book.

[nutella]

Okay, moving my speed vote to [VOTE: tony] aubergine for now. I still want to lynch sloonei (will feel bad if I turn out to be wrong, but others see it too so it feels right). Currently the second lynch is rej and I don't really feel that, so I'd rather my second vote be somewhere it might make a difference.

[Sloonei]

Speed actually basically mindmelded with me re: Tony which is p funny

Let’s talk about Tony. What’s the strongest point against him. What’s the strongest point in his favor?

[nutella]

I guess sloonei and Tony are probably not w/w so this feels just a little silly.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Yeah I'm sure nutella is a civ.


Baddies don't have that level of tunnel vision.

[nutella]

Speed actually basically mindmelded with me re: Tony which is p funny

Let’s talk about Tony. What’s the strongest point against him. What’s the strongest point in his favor?

He responded to you in an overly analytical manner, like he was hyperaware of the implications of his response and went to the opposite extreme by discussing those implications overtly. On the other hand, that could be coming from a town mindset. I have mixed meta perspectives on Tony but the overexplaining feels more like a scum approach imo.

[Sloonei]

Yeah I'm sure nutella is a civ.


Baddies don't have that level of tunnel vision.

I’ve been leaning this way but I could still see an scum nutella pestering me. The tinfoil theory is that she recognized I was vulnerable because of my late entry into the game, and decided to push against me to get my Bargain Bin Jay voice out of Baltimore. But it’d be easier to just nightkill me, so I dunno.

[Long Con]

it can't be that.

What can’t be what? I don’t get what you and Nutella and LC are arguing about here.

My alignment. They apparently know something about me that I do not.

When did this become about you?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

and a concern before i go: nutella has a long history of suspecting me in most games. But usually these reads are volatile, as is her style, coming and going multiple times in the same day phase. But in this game she's been unwavering. I do not know how I feel about that. In our most recent game together (Australian Murder Mystery) she was mafia and I was town, and she for once did not go after me at all, which was alarming. We've swung to the opposite extreme here. Is it overcompensation? Or is she just starting to pursue reads with more confidence?

Tired of being a gullible-ass basic bitch, perhaps.

(people who are new, the above is a reference, don't be scared)

[nutella]

Okay, moving my speed vote to [VOTE: tony] aubergine for now. I still want to lynch sloonei (will feel bad if I turn out to be wrong, but others see it too so it feels right). Currently the second lynch is rej and I don't really feel that, so I'd rather my second vote be somewhere it might make a difference.

Re: parenthetical: Maybe I'm thinking about this all wrong. Maybe there are scum latching onto my tunnel and are more than happy to off a vocal town sloonei.

I've entered the paranoid stage. Help

[Sloonei]

Speed actually basically mindmelded with me re: Tony which is p funny

Let’s talk about Tony. What’s the strongest point against him. What’s the strongest point in his favor?

He responded to you in an overly analytical manner, like he was hyperaware of the implications of his response and went to the opposite extreme by discussing those implications overtly. On the other hand, that could be coming from a town mindset. I have mixed meta perspectives on Tony but the overexplaining feels more like a scum approach imo.

I’d also add that he has a lot of reads that just exist without context or substance. I get that he’s been busy, but he has the feel of a player who’s hiding behind that fact to stay safe. His scum game in Fallout was fantastic, but that was when he was fully engaged with the game. He has been a shadow in here.

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] whenever you can get on it would help if you could explain any of the reads you’ve already expressed in this game. Please and thanks.