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Who's keeping it boring and killing police?

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Dragon D. Luffy
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Jackofhearts2005
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
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Re: The Wire Mafia

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I’m on pto but I have to work anyways what bullshit.
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nutella wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:48 pm Who should I vote for jack
Dunya, Colin or put a new case out there.

Like I don’t feel like you want to lynch Sloonei or Tony atm but you’re voting for both.

Rej always gets lynched regardless. You can put a vote there too.
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Moved from tony to Long Con. Gonna go do some things and see how I feel when I come back.
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LC’s read/vote on me feels flimsy and I haven’t had the sense he’s actively trying to read me today.
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Sloonei wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:55 pm Moved from tony to Long Con. Gonna go do some things and see how I feel when I come back.
Why Long Con?
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Is linki still off?
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nutella wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:48 pm Who should I vote for jack
Remove the who and the answer is yes.
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:00 pm
nutella wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:48 pm Who should I vote for jack
Remove the who and the answer is yes.
Quit being a doof.

You wanna lynch Dunya?
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:01 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:00 pm
nutella wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:48 pm Who should I vote for jack
Remove the who and the answer is yes.
Quit being a doof.

You wanna lynch Dunya?
Not much. But I could be convinced.
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I wanna lynch Sig.

Why does nobody wanna lynch sig

Is it because everyone is still vaccinated against lynching sig and I haven't taken the newest dose?
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Re: The Wire Mafia

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:03 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:01 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:00 pm
nutella wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:48 pm Who should I vote for jack
Remove the who and the answer is yes.
Quit being a doof.

You wanna lynch Dunya?
Not much. But I could be convinced.
I mean I’ve talked about why I suspect her a lot. Her reads are surface level. She’s voting Boo since Boo voted Zemmi and Boo has a sign on his head that says “mislynch opportunity.” Her vote on Rej is well after his fate was decided.

As for Sig, Sig always gets lynched. It’s kinda boring. Why should we lynch him?
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Re: The Wire Mafia

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:20 pm Guys wanna vote jack with me

What what do you think of his claim that he cannot be lynched
It's not worth discussing. I could go for a Jack vote, I have had a few pings about him.
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Long Con wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:15 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:20 pm Guys wanna vote jack with me

What what do you think of his claim that he cannot be lynched
It's not worth discussing. I could go for a Jack vote, I have had a few pings about him.
Talk to me about me.
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Re: The Wire Mafia

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I still feel good about lynching Sloonei. I won't be moving that vote.

I think I get the reasons for the Rej votes, but they all seem high-level meta based on trusting that Drago can apparently read him and be right all of the time in a single day. I don't know if it's true and no one has offered real proof of that, so I don't know if that's just a train people jumped on thoughtlessly or legitimate. I'm pretty skeptical of it. So I don't really want to vote for him unless someone is willing to compile some links of Drago reading Rej as mafia on D1 and being right.

So... I feel like that means if I do move my LC vote (which I'm going to shortly, I feel a bit better on another pass over a few things and getting caught up) it would be to put it on Colin or TSP probably. But I don't know if I distrust the Rej lynch enough to actively try and prevent it. That many people voting without at least genuinely believing it's true would be pretty disappointing, so I think maybe it's better to let that play out.

Maybe just go back to Zemmi. Still no replacement so...
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Re: The Wire Mafia

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boo wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:25 pm I still feel good about lynching Sloonei. I won't be moving that vote.

I think I get the reasons for the Rej votes, but they all seem high-level meta based on trusting that Drago can apparently read him and be right all of the time in a single day. I don't know if it's true and no one has offered real proof of that, so I don't know if that's just a train people jumped on thoughtlessly or legitimate. I'm pretty skeptical of it. So I don't really want to vote for him unless someone is willing to compile some links of Drago reading Rej as mafia on D1 and being right.

So... I feel like that means if I do move my LC vote (which I'm going to shortly, I feel a bit better on another pass over a few things and getting caught up) it would be to put it on Colin or TSP probably. But I don't know if I distrust the Rej lynch enough to actively try and prevent it. That many people voting without at least genuinely believing it's true would be pretty disappointing, so I think maybe it's better to let that play out.

Maybe just go back to Zemmi. Still no replacement so...
You have yet to tell us why Sloonei is a good vote.
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Re: The Wire Mafia

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Sloonei wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:30 pm
boo wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:25 pm I still feel good about lynching Sloonei. I won't be moving that vote.

I think I get the reasons for the Rej votes, but they all seem high-level meta based on trusting that Drago can apparently read him and be right all of the time in a single day. I don't know if it's true and no one has offered real proof of that, so I don't know if that's just a train people jumped on thoughtlessly or legitimate. I'm pretty skeptical of it. So I don't really want to vote for him unless someone is willing to compile some links of Drago reading Rej as mafia on D1 and being right.

So... I feel like that means if I do move my LC vote (which I'm going to shortly, I feel a bit better on another pass over a few things and getting caught up) it would be to put it on Colin or TSP probably. But I don't know if I distrust the Rej lynch enough to actively try and prevent it. That many people voting without at least genuinely believing it's true would be pretty disappointing, so I think maybe it's better to let that play out.

Maybe just go back to Zemmi. Still no replacement so...
You have yet to tell us why Sloonei is a good vote.
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Re: The Wire Mafia

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Hey [mention]boo[/mention] pretend I wasn’t paying attention when you said why you’re voting Sloonei and I want to know why I should maybe vote for him.
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Re: The Wire Mafia

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boo wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:33 pm
Sloonei wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:30 pm
boo wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:25 pm I still feel good about lynching Sloonei. I won't be moving that vote.

I think I get the reasons for the Rej votes, but they all seem high-level meta based on trusting that Drago can apparently read him and be right all of the time in a single day. I don't know if it's true and no one has offered real proof of that, so I don't know if that's just a train people jumped on thoughtlessly or legitimate. I'm pretty skeptical of it. So I don't really want to vote for him unless someone is willing to compile some links of Drago reading Rej as mafia on D1 and being right.

So... I feel like that means if I do move my LC vote (which I'm going to shortly, I feel a bit better on another pass over a few things and getting caught up) it would be to put it on Colin or TSP probably. But I don't know if I distrust the Rej lynch enough to actively try and prevent it. That many people voting without at least genuinely believing it's true would be pretty disappointing, so I think maybe it's better to let that play out.

Maybe just go back to Zemmi. Still no replacement so...
You have yet to tell us why Sloonei is a good vote.
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Re: The Wire Mafia

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:24 pm
Long Con wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:15 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:20 pm Guys wanna vote jack with me

What what do you think of his claim that he cannot be lynched
It's not worth discussing. I could go for a Jack vote, I have had a few pings about him.
Talk to me about me.
Well, I just looked at the third page of your ISO, and I can barely find a stance on anyone. Lots of conversation, little stance. "Town DDL exudes a certain towniness". "I have a slight scumread on Tony but it’s based on one post and I had a slight gut scumread on Sloonei yesterday but he seems to be trying"

Nothing good, nothing that makes me think you're town. [VOTE: Jack[/town]] aubergine
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Re: The Wire Mafia

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Long Con wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:24 pm
Long Con wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:15 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:20 pm Guys wanna vote jack with me

What what do you think of his claim that he cannot be lynched
It's not worth discussing. I could go for a Jack vote, I have had a few pings about him.
Talk to me about me.
Well, I just looked at the third page of your ISO, and I can barely find a stance on anyone. Lots of conversation, little stance. "Town DDL exudes a certain towniness". "I have a slight scumread on Tony but it’s based on one post and I had a slight gut scumread on Sloonei yesterday but he seems to be trying"

Nothing good, nothing that makes me think you're town. [VOTE: Jack[/town]] aubergine
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What’s wrong with those stances you quoted in the post?]
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Re: The Wire Mafia

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Re: The Wire Mafia

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"exudes a certain towniness" is mondo garbo.

The other one is barely better. "slight scumread but, slight scumread but..."

If that's the best he's offering, I call fake.

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Re: The Wire Mafia

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boo wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:25 pm I still feel good about lynching Sloonei. I won't be moving that vote.

I think I get the reasons for the Rej votes, but they all seem high-level meta based on trusting that Drago can apparently read him and be right all of the time in a single day. I don't know if it's true and no one has offered real proof of that, so I don't know if that's just a train people jumped on thoughtlessly or legitimate. I'm pretty skeptical of it. So I don't really want to vote for him unless someone is willing to compile some links of Drago reading Rej as mafia on D1 and being right.

So... I feel like that means if I do move my LC vote (which I'm going to shortly, I feel a bit better on another pass over a few things and getting caught up) it would be to put it on Colin or TSP probably. But I don't know if I distrust the Rej lynch enough to actively try and prevent it. That many people voting without at least genuinely believing it's true would be pretty disappointing, so I think maybe it's better to let that play out.

Maybe just go back to Zemmi. Still no replacement so...
These are pretty much my thoughts on the rej lynch as well. I'm not going to actively oppose it but I'm not convinced.
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Long Con wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:59 pm "exudes a certain towniness" is mondo garbo.

The other one is barely better. "slight scumread but, slight scumread but..."

If that's the best he's offering, I call fake.

Sorry about the vote tags.
I'm gonna have to disagree there. Those are fine statements. The waffleyness is good in my book.

That said I'm on the fence about jack and don't mind that folks are voting him. I just think LC's reasoning is unsound.
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Re: The Wire Mafia

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Part 1 of my probably 1 part series on
Why Sloonei is a Villain Who You Should Help Me String Up


Reason 1: WTF was this vote?
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Sloonei wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:02 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:46 am I've never watched The Wire. Is there anything I need to know?
A few of DDL’s posts bugged me while I was skimming earlier. His entrance was the first of them. Concerns about flavor knowledge interfering with one’s involvement in the game are almost always unfounded. I don’t believe in the authenticity of this question as an introductory post. It looks awkward.

Reason 2: Replacing JJJ who had people reading him as Mafia apparently doesn't warrant Sloonei speaking on it, but does warrant mentioning it? Why?
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nutella wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:20 pm Spicy take #2

Sloonei developed his opinion on ddl as a spectator, then replaced into a scum slot, learned ddl is not on his team, and ran with it. And also is teammates with speed.

:smoky:
The first clause is correct. Do you have reason to believe the others? Why is speedchuck my partner?
I entertained the idea that Jay was scum so yeah. Speed is my top suspect, and I didn't like how Jay treated him, and I found your interaction with him compatible as well.
Oh right, I kinda forgot i’m replacing into a player slot that has actually been active. Meh. I can’t speak for anything Jay did in his time here. You’ll all have a read on me before long.
Reason 3: Talks a lot about how he can't be around a lot and be well informed; but has (as of this writing) 220 posts, the 2nd most.
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Sloonei wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:19 pm I have a busy afternoon today. I expect to be around for the deadline, but I’ll be mostly uninformed at that stage. I’ll do my best to make things happen, but don’t expect much from me until then.
Sloonei wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:52 pm I am varying degrees of here from now until the deadline and I will not be actively catching up.

Dom has a lead in the poll. Why is that?
The only other player with multiples is DDL, and I am one of those. My vote is not super informed. We've got a hundred people with single votes. Let's get crazy over the next few hours.
@everyone which players would you feel most comfortable lynching right now?

Reason 4: Consistenly asking for things already discussed in thread that he has apparently missed and uses as an opportunity to 'engage' people by asking for more. Does not actually then follow up on almost any of it in a meaningful way though.
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nutella wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:15 pm Speed isn't thinking critically on enough levels he's just calling things scummy that aren't really. He's scum
I want examples! Give me some examples! I assume you’ve already given examples, but I haven’t been laying attention and i’m on my phone!
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nutella wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:26 pm basically he's calling rej scum for not having a coherent stance on drago. I don't have a coherent stance on drago either so idk why that's sus
I feel like there is more to speedchuck’s read than that. He seems to be beefing with the particular language of rej’s post, arguing that it lacks direction rather than simply being non-committal. Is there anything else?
Sloonei wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:02 pm The bulk of Dom's focus has been on Jack and nutella so far. His vote is currently on Jack. This poked piqued my interest:
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Nutella has said pretty much nothing this game.

But she's used a lot of players' names. :shrug:
Bro I have the second most posts in the game and most of them are content. I've definitely given more reads than you have. You haven't even explained your vote for me lol.

Usually when you go after me like this you're town... but I thought something had changed the last couple times we were town together, and then last game we were scum buddies so you saw my shitty scum game up close. So you should know better by now. Find another way to stir things up, maybe talk about someone other than me for once.
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@nutella is @Jackofhearts2005 full of shit?
Does the combination of Gambler's Fallacy, Appeal to Emotion, Assumptions of Chronology, and Bullshit indicate that nutella is bad in this instance? Could you more directly articulate why Jack is full of poop?
Are there any other names you'd like to talk about, Dom?
Sloonei wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:15 pm
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boo wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:54 pm
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sig wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:57 pm ...Dom doesn't seem outside his normal civ meta.
Is that really true though?

Take a look at Dom's ISO in Girl Genius. He was Civ, I think the "main" Civ? I think the differences are pretty striking.
The D1 differences? Browsing that, it doesn't read that different to me. Do you have any specifically damning differences in mind?
In this game, the bulk of his posts are about calling things bullshit and firing off mirroring questions with no evidence of caring about the answers. In Girl Genius, he was more interactive, gave reads, agreed or disagreed with people, and said things like "It matters that you have avoided answering direct questions."

Did anyone avoid answering his direct questions in this game? Can you tell if he even cares?
Do you make anything of Dom's focus being mostly centered around Jack and nutella?
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:16 pm
Yes, underwhelming. This post contains a scum read on dunya, no direct read on Dom, and a vote for Dom. Why not vote for dunya, nanook?
I was voting for Dunya, but we're at the point where voting for someone by myself is functionally the same as not voting, which is heresy.
We've got two hours left and no clear frontrunner. Why give up on the case that easily? Talk to me about dunya.
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:40 pm I guess I should probably have a vote down (oh timers how I miss ye), so I'm putting it on dunya for shading good and accurate mafia philosophy for no apparent reason.

I guess I should probably put it on mac for distancing purposes but that's OK, we can distance later.

[VOTE: Dunya] aubergine
That is not how I read the exchange between you and dunya at all.
I mean...was it not obvious I manufactured that read wholesale?
How are you approaching this game right now? What is your mindset and strategy?
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Sloonei wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:13 pmHis (DoWm's) level of critical engagement has been a little less than I'm used to seeing. I don't find that in itself to be a particularly inspiring case, but it's worth exploring.
That's where I'm at, actually. I'm not super-inspired by the Dom vote either, and I wouldn't be surprised if a Dom lynch ended badly. When I went to compare the two games, I kept an open mind... if I had seen the same Dom, then I would have posted about it. Like I said, I found the differences striking, and it served to solidify my vote more. The scales are unbalanced without Dom here to defend himself, but I'm on the heavy side of the scales.. something else will have to tip the balance enough to chanfge my vote, if Dom isn't going to bring the weight down.

I have a sexy angleshooting alternate vote in mind, but I won't discuss that openly... I'll just let it inform my vote should the winds blow that way. :feb:
Who else is worth looking at?
There's a fuckton of examples for this point (I included only a handful), and it's a big one for why I don't trust him.

Dunya even calls Sloonei out on it, and Sloonei claims he has been following up as he is able (while in reality, at this point in N1, imo there are 0 posts where Sloonei is following up on questions he threw out in any meaningful way).
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dunya wrote: Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:31 pm Sloonei's iso is made up of 100 shooting questions with about 5% follow up rate. Bad.

Also the desperation to lynch someone that isn't Dom comes through. What's worse for a mafia team than losing an absent teammember on day 1? Nothing. I'm not at all convinced he was convinced drago was the best option. He actively tries to persuade himself to.

Also I sense serious defensiveness or hesitation. He says LC is the person he trusts most. When questioned about why, he answers meekly and then follows it up with "but he's gone quiet so...". Not a fan of that part.
No follow up? I was following up when I could. I was also trying to grasp as many things as I could. Nearly all of that ISO came in a very short window right at the end of the phase. That was my process of catching up on the game while also trying to develop reads and decide on a vote.

Also my bit about LC going quiet was not meant as a retraction of my town read on him. I was mentioning it because I wanted his voice to be part of the discussion that was ongoing at the time. Because I trusted him and still do. Fuck saying that was a meek read, I believe firmly in it.
Reason 5: The D1 Lynch, Drago, and Dom
  1. Defended Dom hard, but did not actually ever genuinely feel like he actually cared about the lynch result imo.
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    boo's case against Colin seems to hinge upon, or at least imply, that we are bad together. I can't vote for that case. I think I like that boo presented the case, though.

    DDL, Drago, and Rej are three names I've seen floated in conversations. Who wants to ketch me up to speed on them?
  2. Said the following:
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    nutella wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:53 pm I think Rej is fitting what little I understand of his town meta. Drago I haven't seen enough from yet to feel strongly about.
    I feel like i have seen more proactive version of Dragomir in previous games. But that includes Day 1 of Inception, when he was mafia.
    But still pushed for a Drago lynch.
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    Sloonei wrote: Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:49 pm I wouldn’t say that I was trying to move the narrative away from Dom. There wasn’t really a narrative on Dom, at least not while I was present (which was mostly just the final 2 hours of the day). I am uneasy about the Dom bandwagon in hindsight because it simply existed: no one seemed to believe all that much in it and no progress was being made on it, but nobody was moving their votes away from it either. It feels like he was mislynch bait.
    Sloonei was trying to move the narrative from Dom to Drago.
    There was a narrative on Dom, and I do not believe at all that Sloonei was unaware of it. LC and I discussed it a fair bit.
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nutella wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:10 pm
Long Con wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:59 pm "exudes a certain towniness" is mondo garbo.

The other one is barely better. "slight scumread but, slight scumread but..."

If that's the best he's offering, I call fake.

Sorry about the vote tags.
I'm gonna have to disagree there. Those are fine statements. The waffleyness is good in my book.

That said I'm on the fence about jack and don't mind that folks are voting him. I just think LC's reasoning is unsound.
Ok fine. I guess we'll see.
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Long Con wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:59 pm "exudes a certain towniness" is mondo garbo.

The other one is barely better. "slight scumread but, slight scumread but..."

If that's the best he's offering, I call fake.

Sorry about the vote tags.
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Idk what to tell you, man. You’ve seen me correctly tone/mindset read these players in the past.
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Good stuff boo. Reason 4 is a big one for me too, and my new hindsight on the Dom thing is that maybe he wanted to drum up a counterwagon but secretly hoped Dom would still be the lynch so he'd look good on the flip for trying to prevent it? Maybe that's tinfoily, but I think it checks out. The way he fished through the three names (ddl, Drago, rej) for the potential counterwagon was odd/insincere. Also maybe the fact that he landed on Drago was staged and rej is actually his teammate?? idk imma stop rambling before I get too far down this rabbit hole of confbiased theorizing
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So I’m basically at

Nutella
DDL
Boo
Speed?
Sloonei?
Tony?
LC?
Sig?
Nanook?
Creature
Colin
Dunya
Rej

The question marks are literally questionable reads. Like informed by few things.
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:19 pm
Long Con wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:59 pm "exudes a certain towniness" is mondo garbo.

The other one is barely better. "slight scumread but, slight scumread but..."

If that's the best he's offering, I call fake.

Sorry about the vote tags.
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Idk what to tell you, man. You’ve seen me correctly tone/mindset read these players in the past.
Have I? I can't remember.
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Remember that time we weren’t allowed to post rainbow lists? That was tough. I was never able to say I didn’t really suspect Dom that much, I just needed a third scumread. Of course, I never suspected Dom at all cause I was mafia but I held that in for so long I forgot about it until now.
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Long Con wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:29 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:19 pm
Long Con wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:59 pm "exudes a certain towniness" is mondo garbo.

The other one is barely better. "slight scumread but, slight scumread but..."

If that's the best he's offering, I call fake.

Sorry about the vote tags.
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Idk what to tell you, man. You’ve seen me correctly tone/mindset read these players in the past.
Have I? I can't remember.
I correctly read Nutella in both champs games, Flags and Australian murder mystery.

I’ve correctly meta Creature a buncha times, mostly protecting him from town Epi.

Caught DDL D1 in Adams Family but I’ll need to go look for times I correctly townread him. I don’t think that was actually tone though.

*checking recent games*

Speed’s Persona game was one of the games where Drago caught Rej for anyone questioning that idea. I correctly meta read Creature there. Nutella too from DfuckingZero.
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Sloonei wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:09 pm Speaking of Rej, I asked him for reads and he supplied some but I haven't responded. So:
Rej wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:42 pm ayayyy

First the ISO to my voters:

DDL: Has a misinterpretation of things against me. Doesn't like me for reasons. Tho I agree with him on the points against boo. Boo voted Drago off with uss and then he tried to sell us a Zemmi lynch possibility. His vote on boo was well placed, seems town.
Oh and yes Dragon D. Luffy I am a noob, what attracts me in mafia are mechanics and setups and roles, I just admire the mindgaming in the DPs and I can't reach that level yet.
A town read on DDL which also includes a scum read on boo. If I am following correctly, Rej, you town read DDL because of his vote for boo? Why is that? Why do you suspect boo, and do you care that DDL has since changed his read on boo?
Speedchuck: Also went for Creature like DDL early DP1, often civillian behaviour to clear out a person's alignment or stance. Can't find scummy posts in his ISO. Also what does he have against weasleness? Weasles are cute animals. I want one as pet dafuck
You say you can't find any scummy posts in his ISO. Do you see any townie posts? You seem to suggest that his early behavior toward DDL and creature was a good look. Why?
Jack: Normal entrance, didn't went for creature, sheeped a vote on me which I rly don't like, until I was thematized more. Gave fuel to my wagon basically which I don't apreciate. Between the posts you can often find WIFOM... #422 I didn't like the "blah blah statement"
I see a dimension where jack and boo interactions could be W/V or W/W interactions. Deserves its own reanalysis.
#1007 lmao, is this throw off something a civ would say? and if yes why? Jackofhearts2005
less townlean on Jack, but I don't think scum would recklessly jump on my wagon at this point?
All of this is negative until that final point at the end, where you seem to walk it back a bit. Then you vote for Jack anyway. What? I'm also not totally clear on what you don't like about Jack's posts. You suggest that "WIFOM" is part of the problem, but I don't follow what exactly you mean or are referring to.
TSP: Interesting ISO, he likes using the term W/W and this implies that he is explicitly scumhunting and he is flexible about it. Could be to create chaos or to find early leaking scum. Slightly more civ lean in the entrance. Suspecting Sloonei, then moving votes from nutella to me, + lecturing boo, since then his votes didnt change. Interesting that he did not interact with the Dom and Dragomir wagons. Were they civ caused autorunner?
50/50 on TSP depending on his bigger sheme.
This is all a big shrug, and the word "interesting" appears twice without judgments being made. :ponder: Gun to your head, is Tony town or scum?
Sloonei: Targets DDL, a justified target to inquisition, flips later to Boo. alot of meta talks in their posts which I cant dissect. Questioning both wagons alot is giving Sloo civ points. #653 the "shrug vote post" was kinda cute and innocent. Another townlean.
#683 @Sloonei I think we played together before? or did you host for me? there was something before that is not accurate...
and I missed answering your question, I answered because I wanted to speed up forcing an interaction, since I am mre like a peek a boo player. lmao
And yes me and Drago are compatible as scum partners, we won games together, one or two no remembering.
Sloonei asks justified questions further on, I know zero about their meta at that point, feels like dissecting a complete stranger and it's interesting.
Sloo vs nut? deserves its own post.
Yes hello, that's me. Asking questions is my shtick, especially early on and when I don't know players. As you can probably tell right now. It's just how I work through things in the game. I like to know how people are interpreting the game.
I may have hosted a game that you played before. Sockville, maybe? Anyway, you suggest that you're interested in my interactions with nutella. Why? What's your read on those exchanges?
I am tired as fuck I will place votes now
one will be boo the other will be Jack, I am ready to move my votes to TSP for the sake of seeing where it leads with my reeks or nutella because there is also something going on.

Will keep other ISOs for tomorrow.

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Why did you choose to focus on the people who were voting for you? What don't you like about boo?
:keys: I thought it helps tackling my voters, all in all they are fine guys, the scum ratio on my wagon is super small probably
tony hmm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:23 pm Not catching up but I did see the @ post. I subscribe to the school of “Rej is scum if Drago says so” school. So that’s that. Also he had a few meh posts day 1 but I saw some things I liked while I was around day 2. I’m willing to change that.
DDL was giving me scum vibes. I don’t know why. I’ll change it just cause it doesn’t look like we’re going there and I’m not building the case.
Sloonei is probably town but my only scum experience is on a game where he replaced out so I might be biased into thinking he’s just opposite me. someone noticed that I thought Nutella was also probably town. LC just voted me but I tend to want to sort out LC and Jack since I’ve played with them the most. Though I don’t currently get vibes off Jack which could be a bad sign but could also be the fact that I’ve been around like zero. I’m back and forth on Boo, some posts that could go both ways. Colin exists; I tend to think for the players I’m less familiar with and don’t interact with that it’s a bad sign if I notice them but don’t have feelings one way or another. I’ll maybe read that ISO if I have time in an hour or so. That’s all of the players that I know are in the game.
Helpful? Please react, give me posts to read, just @ me so I can feel useful.
The last time I did this I got attacked for randomly leaving players out and I was like “I literally wasn’t cognizant of their existence”.
:clap: "Rej is scum if Drago says so" this hits my feelings deep and is so unfun to listen to
his DDL vibes read did say nothing, nothing new, was basically a fluff
after the above post TSP became indeed scummier to me

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Changed my votes to Boo and Colin. That’s the current state of my reads.

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changing from boo to TSP
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:57 pm
Rej wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:42 pm didnt knew defenses aren't welcome here
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ayayyy

First the ISO to my voters:

DDL: Has a misinterpretation of things against me. Doesn't like me for reasons. Tho I agree with him on the points against boo. Boo voted Drago off with uss and then he tried to sell us a Zemmi lynch possibility. His vote on boo was well placed, seems town.
Oh and yes Dragon D. Luffy I am a noob, what attracts me in mafia are mechanics and setups and roles, I just admire the mindgaming in the DPs and I can't reach that level yet.
Didn't know or think you were a noob before then and still don't think now. You have more games under your belt than I can count with one hand, that doesn't qualify as noob anymore in my book.
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For me all three of Tony, Colin, and Sig are in a weird place where I want to suspect them overall but they each had like one post that felt really towny.
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nutella wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:01 pm For me all three of Tony, Colin, and Sig are in a weird place where I want to suspect them overall but they each had like one post that felt really towny.
What are the towny posts from each of them?
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nutella wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:01 pm For me all three of Tony, Colin, and Sig are in a weird place where I want to suspect them overall but they each had like one post that felt really towny.
What is the current case on Collin? I must admit, same as he nullreads me I also nullread him, gonna revisit it. I missed some posts from the second half of the current DP and I am still working through it.
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Rej wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:53 pm changing from boo to TSP
After TSPs flyby on me I'll trust you over him and move my LC vote to [VOTE: Tony] aubergine
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Sloonei wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:13 pm
nutella wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:01 pm For me all three of Tony, Colin, and Sig are in a weird place where I want to suspect them overall but they each had like one post that felt really towny.
What are the towny posts from each of them?
I have pointed them each out individually. But to answer your characteristic useless question :meany: , Tony's was the recent stream of consciousness post with reads from the top of his head, Colin's was his "I like this" to your post about ddl early on, and Sig's was the unapologetic NKA. They might each have one or two other things that felt more town than scum to me in the long run but those are the standouts that make me wary of lynching them when they otherwise seem suspicious on balance.
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Nutella, can you move one of your votes to Rej?
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:22 pm Nutella, can you move one of your votes to Rej?
Y tho
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Let's move my sloonei vote to [VOTE: jack] aubergine

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dunya wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:11 pm i moved my vote from nutella to rej. his posts have not inspired the confidence in him i hoped to see.
never hope on Rej, I am a complicated person lol
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Now sloonei and rej are tied for first and tony and jack are tied for second. I'm reasonably happy with that.
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Caught up a bit will have more thoughts come the night phase voting for rej and sloonie.

I really like the boo case on him and for rej I've been sus on him for awhile.

I'd much rather go with nanook today. But that's not happening so I'm throwing my votes somewhere where Itll do something, bet it'll come back to bite me.
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nutella wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:13 pm
nutella wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:01 pm For me all three of Tony, Colin, and Sig are in a weird place where I want to suspect them overall but they each had like one post that felt really towny.
What are the towny posts from each of them?
I have pointed them each out individually. But to answer your characteristic useless question :meany: , Tony's was the recent stream of consciousness post with reads from the top of his head, Colin's was his "I like this" to your post about ddl early on, and Sig's was the unapologetic NKA. They might each have one or two other things that felt more town than scum to me in the long run but those are the standouts that make me wary of lynching them when they otherwise seem suspicious on balance.
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I’ll respond to boo’s case when i’m not on my phone
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nutella wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:22 pm Nutella, can you move one of your votes to Rej?
Y tho
Cause he’s scum and we don’t want him to skate? I just went over this.
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