[END] Hope Keeps On Going - Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc Mafia

[Okosan]

I'll add my [VOTE: rej] aubergine because vote fuckery is clearly out there.

COO! COOOO! (In fact this post implies that you also sussed Rej, when apparently your other sus Okosan has been pushing Rej for multiple days now? How does that add up?)

[Long Con]

Yup. Your point?

[Long Con]

I'll add my [VOTE: rej] aubergine because vote fuckery is clearly out there.

COO! COOOO! (In fact this post implies that you also sussed Rej, when apparently your other sus Okosan has been pushing Rej for multiple days now? How does that add up?)

You're not going to arrive at any tangible conclusion here besides some preordained tunnel-confirmation.

[Okosan]

COOOO! (The point being if Okosan was in your position and was town, and only had two scum reads of Okosan and Rej, Okosan would start to think it was a little weird that one of his scum reads have been pushing the other for at least half the game. On top of that Okosan would then actually be trying to push either of his scum reads early instead of just sitting around and sheeping one at the last second. Your words and sus just don't add up with your actions)

[Okosan]

I'll add my [VOTE: rej] aubergine because vote fuckery is clearly out there.

COO! COOOO! (In fact this post implies that you also sussed Rej, when apparently your other sus Okosan has been pushing Rej for multiple days now? How does that add up?)

You're not going to arrive at any tangible conclusion here besides some preordained tunnel-confirmation.

Coooo! (What are you talking about? Okosan checked this post to see if you had some valid reasons for sussing Rej more than Okosan (because that's what voting Rej and not going against Okosan means btw) but nope you're just worried about the votes getting messed up. If you actually given a post where you sussed Rej hard it would've looked more feasible for this to be your actual position)

[Okosan]

Cooooooooo! (Btw there was a correct answer to the question Okosan was asking. If you sussed people on the counterwagon on TSP it would've looked better for you also. Sussing what is essentially just Okosan isn't the correct answer there)

[Sloonei]

Whatever, I'll take that as a claim, now you can discuss about this. I think that there are 2 scum, and on even nights, junko's turn for attacking comes up. Scum can still multi-task, so I thought that when it is an even night, Junko hopped off me in order to roleblock the person that she'd decide to kill. Seems like a dumb theory because there are lots of variables like the bussing girl, but I can't explain why I got roleblocked only on odd nights.

It’s not uncommon to forbid double targeting here.

[Sloonei]

I am back to the initial PoE of Okosan / sig / sabie / sloonei

with sloonei being the flipped town. Seeing that I was right on 3 of my town reads, I thought that maybe I only hit the town out of that PoE, and we should've moved onwards with lynching there.

Sabie is a confident town read for me.

[tedxtr]

Sloonei, what's your opinion on LC - TH ?

[Sloonei]

Sloonei, what's your opinion on LC - TH ?

Like the two of them as a tandem?

As a rule I actively avoid trying to suss out partners before anyone has flipped scum. I think it leads to too many mistakes and confirmation biases. But neither of them needs to be town in this game right now. I an struggling to produce solid reads on most players because of the setup.

[tedxtr]

Nah, meant that individually

[Sloonei]

Nah, meant that individually

I suspect LC slightly more than TH, but at the same time I don’t remember anything TH has said this game.

[Turnip Head]

Sig, LC, and sloonei are my town core at this point, I could vote for just about anyone else but I have no real strong suspicions, tho I probably never vote Ted at this point

[Turnip Head]

Though Ted's 180 on rej yesterday was questionable and I don't remember him explaining it

[tedxtr]

[VOTE: Sig ] aubergine

siggieeeeeeeeee

[tedxtr]

Though Ted's 180 on rej yesterday was questionable and I don't remember him explaining it

I didn't like how he used me to vote his counterwagon

and i trusted sloonei as well. tbh sloonei was more of a reason for voting him than anything else, but the final switch was based on that switch from rej specifically

[Long Con]

Cooooooooo! (Btw there was a correct answer to the question Okosan was asking. If you sussed people on the counterwagon on TSP it would've looked better for you also. Sussing what is essentially just Okosan isn't the correct answer there)

Well I don't have the brain of a pigeon so I guess our minds work differently. Claiming that there's a correct answer is bull.

[Long Con]

I really see this whole exercise as some sort of lame low-hanging fruit trap, which doesn't help my opinion of your alignment.

Tedxtr, I said I was roleblocked and you didn't seem to care, why don't you care about that anymore?

[tedxtr]

Because it was a theory involving setup spec and I’ll tunnel on it regardless

Because we can’t be that bad to not even land on one scum if it was a 3 man scum team

I think it’s just two

I already gave my explanation of why I asked who got roleblocked

[Turnip Head]

[VOTE: Okosan] aubergine

[Okosan]

Cooooooooo! (Btw there was a correct answer to the question Okosan was asking. If you sussed people on the counterwagon on TSP it would've looked better for you also. Sussing what is essentially just Okosan isn't the correct answer there)

Well I don't have the brain of a pigeon so I guess our minds work differently. Claiming that there's a correct answer is bull.

Coooo? (Sorry let Okosan rephrase. There were a variety of answers that would work there to lesson Okosan's susicion of you as what you claim your susses are would line up with your actions in thread. Saying your only main sus is Okosan makes no sense with how you voted and acted last day phase)

[Okosan]

*Coo (lessen)

[Okosan]

[VOTE: Okosan] aubergine

Coooooo! (Nice. First you sneak a vote on TSP and then when you realize no one is following your bad reasoning from yesterday you gave up and are pushing the easy wagon instead. Solid performance)

[Okosan]

COOOO! COO! (And Ted there's no reason to vote for Sig today. Today is very liable Lylo/Mylo so there should only be 2 wagons going otherwise the votes will get too split. Scum is obviously going to push an Okosan lynch and Okosan's just about positive that LC is scum. The only real way Okosan will switch is sef pres at this point. Which btw notice how Long Con's only sus is Okosan and LC hasn't even voted yet for some reason. Probably didn't want to look too eager or OMGUS-y)

Cooo! (Basically at least do this correctly and if you're town mislynch Okosan for the loss already because Okosan knows you're not going to reconsider your reads from day 2)

[Long Con]

Cooooooooo! (Btw there was a correct answer to the question Okosan was asking. If you sussed people on the counterwagon on TSP it would've looked better for you also. Sussing what is essentially just Okosan isn't the correct answer there)

Well I don't have the brain of a pigeon so I guess our minds work differently. Claiming that there's a correct answer is bull.

Coooo? (Sorry let Okosan rephrase. There were a variety of answers that would work there to lesson Okosan's susicion of you as what you claim your susses are would line up with your actions in thread. Saying your only main sus is Okosan makes no sense with how you voted and acted last day phase)

You are my current main sus. That doesn't mean you've been there all game. Reads develop and change. And I didn't have anything particularly strong against Rej, but I don't have the ego to tell the thread that everyone's suspicion is wrong, and mine is right. I've been wrong too many times to be that way, and frankly my suspicion of you is pretty weak-ass as well. I voted Rej for the reason I said, and because I trust that there are better, more devoted town players than me, and that their suspicions might be more valid than my own.

Like I said, this line of thinking is not going to lead to a good conclusion. My playstyle here is pretty average for me. I'm not usually a strong detective, I'm more of a gut player. My gut says that your case against me is based on contrived conclusions, not logically solid ones, and that it's because you are bad.

And what's this talk about you being the "easy lynch"? Has anyone else even suspected you lately? You have a lot of votes today? Yesterday? This appeal to emotion doesn't help you in my eyes.

And I guess I missed tedxtr's explanation of asking about the roleblocks, so (since I just arrived home from work; was posting from work bathroom earlier) I should have a look. I thought I saw him telling roleblocked people to claim their roles. If that's true, huge red flag for me. No way I would tell my role, sounds like a great way to line up a big Soup Kill for Monokuma.

Even asking about roleblocks is suspicious, because it allows Monokuma to narrow down some things, since some roles have abilities that can be blocked, and some don't.

[Long Con]

Ok, got it:

Whatever, I'll take that as a claim, now you can discuss about this. I think that there are 2 scum, and on even nights, junko's turn for attacking comes up. Scum can still multi-task, so I thought that when it is an even night, Junko hopped off me in order to roleblock the person that she'd decide to kill. Seems like a dumb theory because there are lots of variables like the bussing girl, but I can't explain why I got roleblocked only on odd nights.

How do you even know you are getting roleblocked, and how do you think Junko would know to roleblock you, assuming you have some great-to-block role?

[Long Con]

[VOTE: Okosan] aubergine

Coooooo! (Nice. First you sneak a vote on TSP and then when you realize no one is following your bad reasoning from yesterday you gave up and are pushing the easy wagon instead. Solid performance)

Again, how are you "the easy wagon"?? You've had ONE other vote, from ted, on Day 2. Who else is suspecting you?

[Okosan]

Like I said, this line of thinking is not going to lead to a good conclusion. My playstyle here is pretty average for me. I'm not usually a strong detective, I'm more of a gut player. My gut says that your case against me is based on contrived conclusions, not logically solid ones, and that it's because you are bad.

Cooooo! (RIP your gut feelings then)

And what's this talk about you being the "easy lynch"? Has anyone else even suspected you lately? You have a lot of votes today? Yesterday? This appeal to emotion doesn't help you in my eyes.

Coo! Coooo! (Uh people have literally been throwing around the idea of Okosan being scum the entire game but no one's decided to push it too hard besides Ted. What are you even talking about that Okosan isn't an easy lynch? Plus if Ted is town the game is essentially lost already anyways barring some secret or vote power situation. Ted WILL lynch Okosan at some point because he refuses to reevaluate. Scum is going to push Okosan eventually and keep Ted alive just for that)

Cooooo! (If Ted is scum we still have a chance, but Okosan doesn't even want to look at Ted right now because you've been mega scum)

[Okosan]

[VOTE: Okosan] aubergine

Coooooo! (Nice. First you sneak a vote on TSP and then when you realize no one is following your bad reasoning from yesterday you gave up and are pushing the easy wagon instead. Solid performance)

Again, how are you "the easy wagon"?? You've had ONE other vote, from ted, on Day 2. Who else is suspecting you?

Cooooo! (At least half this game is excluding Okosan as town. You're crazy if you don't think Okosan is an easy push)

[Long Con]

So, the baddies are keeping you on the back burner until it's time to strike, then.

[Okosan]

COOOOO! (Heck TH just vote for Okosan with literally no explanation or no prior sus (that Okosan at least remembers off the top of his head) and nobirdie has even questioned it)

[Long Con]

COOOOO! (Heck TH just vote for Okosan with literally no explanation or no prior sus (that Okosan at least remembers off the top of his head) and nobirdie has even questioned it)

I agree; an explanation is necessary from [mention]Turnip Head[/mention] .

[Turnip Head]

Well I would say that okosan has been attempting to steer the thread most game, like he's trying us how to think. Idk that this makes him bad necessarily but it is manipulative. My working theory is that he was recruited around night 2 before a brief lull in participation, and that after going quiet he's been trying to mimic his playstyle from earlier in the game, but with limited success imo cuz I've been getting not great vibes lately.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I might have been role blocked.

I need like a full-on claim.

If I would be told then no if not then I think so

[Long Con]

Were you told you were roleblocked, tedxtr?

[sabie12]

Man this game hurts my brain. Tough to come in, in the middle of this one. I am trying to read through ISOs of all the people who are still alive to see if I can catch anything useful. So I am slowly starting to piece together what's happened so far.

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Okay i am lost I've gone over the game and am still uncertion on so many facts of this game like i can piece together what roles are from just my knowledge of the game IE what i've been doing all game but currently i like parts of most peoples ISO's.

Every night i hope to see a bad kill from the mafia or a town vig but we haven't seen any which is disappointing in the least.

Don't get me wrong i enjoy the flavor but god are conversions hard to figure out (most likely a thing i'll avoid in the future)

[sig]

[VOTE: okosan] aubergine

Agree with TH, and between him me or LC I m leaning most towards him right now.

[Sloonei]

I genuinely have no idea who I would want to lynch.

[Sloonei]

I think sabie and Trustworthy Liberal would be my two most trusted players though. After that I am at least a little bit skeptical of all y'all.

[Trustworthy Liberal]

I genuinely have no idea who I would want to lynch.

This is me right now also but you don't have a vote and i do.

this is killing me as i keep thinking we haven't punished a single blackened (Despair.)

[Sloonei]

I genuinely have no idea who I would want to lynch.

This is me right now also but you don't have a vote and i do.

this is killing me as i keep thinking we haven't punished a single blackened (Despair.)

What are the best reasons to town read everybody remaining?

[Trustworthy Liberal]

I genuinely have no idea who I would want to lynch.

This is me right now also but you don't have a vote and i do.

this is killing me as i keep thinking we haven't punished a single blackened (Despair.)

What are the best reasons to town read everybody remaining?

Only some have great but everyone has a towny start to the game in my eyes which makes it harder for me to correctly place when people changed sides since they are more of a neutral then a mafia.

Long Con is someone i would vote out based on today honestly but i keep second guessing my reads because of it being conversions. Arg my brain hurts.

[sabie12]

Spoiler: show

I’ll push us forward a little more because this day phase is not progressing with the energy I’d hoped:
Junko (the nightly roleblocker) is actually Mukuro Ikusaba. They were automatically recruited night 1, they know monukuma’s identity, share his win condition, and reveals as civilian upon death. They also have or had a 1-shot nightkill to be used at any time during the game.

This is why I say it’s “possible” Jack was actually mafia.

This means that the first person to be recruited was essentially mafia from the beginning. They may not necessarily have known DDL was their partner/boss at the time, but they were aware that they’d be recruited from the outset. I have been looking at player ISOs to see who demonstrated an apparent eagerness to understand the recruitment mechanisms and such: anyone who appeared quizzical about that was probably not the auto-recruit.

But it’s also possible that this player is already dead and flipped civilian. We can’t really know without other secrets coming into play to help us out.

There goes my there aren't really any mafia members just a shit ton of LMS people with one kill shot running around.

Okay, I'm lying I still like 20% believe that's a possibility and Bearo's win is either kill everyone, maybe with Ikusabe as partner or something along those lines. Which is why he has a soup kill.

Linki: I'm not opposed to a Okosan lynch, but I'm not really seeing an overwhelming reason to vote for him.

I'd say if TSP doesn't flip based off the night actions then maybe he'd be worth going for.

[VOTE: okosan] aubergine

Agree with TH, and between him me or LC I m leaning most towards him right now.

Just curious if anything in particular stuck out to you to go from being iffy on it to voting okason.

[Sloonei]

I genuinely have no idea who I would want to lynch.

This is me right now also but you don't have a vote and i do.

this is killing me as i keep thinking we haven't punished a single blackened (Despair.)

What are the best reasons to town read everybody remaining?

Only some have great but everyone has a towny start to the game in my eyes which makes it harder for me to correctly place when people changed sides since they are more of a neutral then a mafia.

Long Con is someone i would vote out based on today honestly but i keep second guessing my reads because of it being conversions. Arg my brain hurts.

Everyone in the game was town at the start. Who's declined since then? And who are the players with strong reasons attached to them?

[sabie12]

Like I said, this line of thinking is not going to lead to a good conclusion. My playstyle here is pretty average for me. I'm not usually a strong detective, I'm more of a gut player. My gut says that your case against me is based on contrived conclusions, not logically solid ones, and that it's because you are bad.

Cooooo! (RIP your gut feelings then)

And what's this talk about you being the "easy lynch"? Has anyone else even suspected you lately? You have a lot of votes today? Yesterday? This appeal to emotion doesn't help you in my eyes.

Coo! Coooo! (Uh people have literally been throwing around the idea of Okosan being scum the entire game but no one's decided to push it too hard besides Ted. What are you even talking about that Okosan isn't an easy lynch? Plus if Ted is town the game is essentially lost already anyways barring some secret or vote power situation. Ted WILL lynch Okosan at some point because he refuses to reevaluate. Scum is going to push Okosan eventually and keep Ted alive just for that)

Cooooo! (If Ted is scum we still have a chance, but Okosan doesn't even want to look at Ted right now because you've been mega scum)

Maybe it's just me having missed something in the game so far but this post makes no sense to me.

[sabie12]

Also why is tony voting for DDL?

[Long Con]

I genuinely have no idea who I would want to lynch.

This is me right now also but you don't have a vote and i do.

this is killing me as i keep thinking we haven't punished a single blackened (Despair.)

What are the best reasons to town read everybody remaining?

Only some have great but everyone has a towny start to the game in my eyes which makes it harder for me to correctly place when people changed sides since they are more of a neutral then a mafia.

Long Con is someone i would vote out based on today honestly but i keep second guessing my reads because of it being conversions. Arg my brain hurts.

Why based on today? Okosan's case? His case is basically accusing me of being exactly like you and Sloonei here: I don't have any strong suspects.

[Long Con]

Also why is tony voting for DDL?

Maybe we should all vote for DDL. What if he has only one lynch survival? I mean... that IS a far more common role power than UNLIMITED lynch survival.

[Long Con]

DDL voted - for himself - but hasn't posted today. [mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] are you silenced?