Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[MacDougall]

Am I blinded to scum Mac? I'm not seeing the behavior I saw in Inception and his response to being scum read is different here than he was there.

Dizzy can you talk about Jack if you're here?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Am I blinded to scum Mac? I'm not seeing the behavior I saw in Inception and his response to being scum read is different here than he was there.

Dizzy can you talk about Jack if you're here?

All I know is that Jack has a very narrow focus this game. I remember, years ago probably, playing a multiball game with him when we were on opposite teams. We tunneled each other that game. So I don't think him going hard for Nut D1 is evidence of him being town, like he said (because he was prefer to be more under the radar as scum).

Thinking about it, I've never played with Jack without him giving a read on me. I don't think he has this game. I don't know why.

Sorry, probably not helpful. It still feels like D1 for me. No real leads.

Cause I was super wrong on you in Girl Genius.

Also,I tunneled you in Mass Effect on like D8 after you had defended a teammate and coasted and I didn’t really care about your alignment, which is way different from how I’ve treated Nutella this game.

[MacDougall]

Sabie exhibited a classic scum tell in voting me that makes me think she's protecting a counterwagon

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]MacDougall[/mention]

What do you have to say for yourself?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Pretend I haven’t read the last several pages and you voting me along with stupid reasoning votes from Epi and TH is a bad look.

[ColinIsCool]

Yeah I think I'm going to follow my \ gut and go [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine.

[Dyslexicon]

Cause I was super wrong on you in Girl Genius.

Also,I tunneled you in Mass Effect on like D8 after you had defended a teammate and coasted and I didn’t really care about your alignment, which is way different from how I’ve treated Nutella this game.

This is honestly what I wanted to hear lol

[Jackofhearts2005]

GMan probably is coasting scum but coasting scum doesn’t look different enough from coasting town for me to bother with him today when I have stronger scumreads.

He’s an acceptable hot potato should I somehow become convinced Mac is town.

[Turnip Head]

Cause I was super wrong on you in Girl Genius.

Also,I tunneled you in Mass Effect on like D8 after you had defended a teammate and coasted and I didn’t really care about your alignment, which is way different from how I’ve treated Nutella this game.

This is honestly what I wanted to hear lol

Yeah he knows that

[Turnip Head]

[VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine I don't like his unwavering suspicion of Mac and I especially don't like his reasoning re: Mac's changing opinion of Nutella

Why does that make him bad?

So... is Turnip Head gonna hide behind me all game?

You keep trying to hold my hand when you can cross the street by yourself

[Dyslexicon]

Yeah he knows that

I know

[Jackofhearts2005]

Cause I was super wrong on you in Girl Genius.

Also,I tunneled you in Mass Effect on like D8 after you had defended a teammate and coasted and I didn’t really care about your alignment, which is way different from how I’ve treated Nutella this game.

This is honestly what I wanted to hear lol

Like I legit thought I had your town and scumgames pegged and I didn’t. So I don’t know how to read you.

Why are you voting me?

[juliets]

My gut is telling me to vote Jack.

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall

What do you have to say for yourself?

Lol get worked goon

[MacDougall]

Cause I was super wrong on you in Girl Genius.

Also,I tunneled you in Mass Effect on like D8 after you had defended a teammate and coasted and I didn’t really care about your alignment, which is way different from how I’ve treated Nutella this game.

This is honestly what I wanted to hear lol

Like I legit thought I had your town and scumgames pegged and I didn’t. So I don’t know how to read you.

Why are you voting me?

MK Ultra ass motherfucker

[Jackofhearts2005]

My gut is telling me to vote Jack.

Your gut on me sucks.

Why would you even suspect me?

[Dyslexicon]

Like I legit thought I had your town and scumgames pegged and I didn’t. So I don’t know how to read you.

Why are you voting me?

I know. But I'm so easy to read lol

I don't know why. I just want to see people flip.

[Dyslexicon]

This game is a lot of
Some people: We need to vote X for meta reasons.
Some people: We need to not vote X for meta reasons.

And I'm like: ......

[MacDougall]

My gut is telling me to vote Jack.

Your gut on me sucks.

Why would you even suspect me?

I'll provide ample reasons in due time.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like beyond Mac’s teammates dogpiling, I haven’t a clue why I’m being voted for. I’m insanely town here. Did a bunch of stuff yesterday I wouldn’t have done as a wolf.

[juliets]

Like beyond Mac’s teammates dogpiling, I haven’t a clue why I’m being voted for. I’m insanely town here. Did a bunch of stuff yesterday I wouldn’t have done as a wolf.

Like what?

[Dyslexicon]

Could we lynch Sabie?

[Dyslexicon]

Or sprit? Idfk

[MacDougall]

This game is a lot of
Some people: We need to vote X for meta reasons.
Some people: We need to not vote X for meta reasons.

And I'm like: ......

You have a good point. If you strip meta away there are people who are obfuscating their intentions and people who simply are not contributing. Perhaps rather than lynching talkative contributors on day 2 of the champs game we should lynch from the pool of apathy.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like beyond Mac’s teammates dogpiling, I haven’t a clue why I’m being voted for. I’m insanely town here. Did a bunch of stuff yesterday I wouldn’t have done as a wolf.

Like what?

Going hard on anyone D1. Backing off Nutella.

We’ve been over this.

[MacDougall]

Or sprit? Idfk

Or Dragomir. Or G-Man. Or TSP. Name a player and they're likely a better lynch than me.

[juliets]

Could we lynch Sabie?

Thanks for reminding me that I wanted to ask [mention]MacDougall[/mention] what he saw as Sabie's scum tell.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yardwork calls. Not convenient timing but I’ll be back before deadline.

[MacDougall]

Like beyond Mac’s teammates dogpiling, I haven’t a clue why I’m being voted for. I’m insanely town here. Did a bunch of stuff yesterday I wouldn’t have done as a wolf.

Like what?

Going hard on anyone D1. Backing off Nutella.

We’ve been over this.

I don't associate that with any particular version of Jack. I do associate being overtly serious, having a harsh tone and a lack of joyfulness as being your scum game and it is here in spades.

[S~V~S]

My gut is telling me to vote Jack.

Your gut on me sucks.

Why would you even suspect me?

I'll provide ample reasons in due time.

Well you had best start, it doesn'tlook like your have that much time, lol.

[mention]G-Man[/mention] I skimmed your post and you made some stuff up about my game, I am disappoint. I talk too much regardless of alignment

[mention]Master Radishes[/mention] I skimmed over your post where you say I am "clinging" to your wagon (orsomething to that effect online at Target, why am I so pathetic?) and that is not true, I switched my vote off of you within an hour or so of getting online earlier.

Jeez, you people.

[Dyslexicon]

Or Dragomir. Or G-Man. Or TSP. Name a player and they're likely a better lynch than me.

I'll pass on the last two. Drag is like ...ok, we could lynch him, but will gain not much regardless of flip. Especially if he's town.

[MacDougall]

Could we lynch Sabie?

Thanks for reminding me that I wanted to ask @MacDougall what he saw as Sabie's scum tell.

She worked too hard to quantify tossing a vote on me. She wrote a prep post for it, then in the vote post she wrote a wall of drivel to justify voting there. It's what nervous scum do especially when voting to block progression of a teammate wagon.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like beyond Mac’s teammates dogpiling, I haven’t a clue why I’m being voted for. I’m insanely town here. Did a bunch of stuff yesterday I wouldn’t have done as a wolf.

Like what?

Going hard on anyone D1. Backing off Nutella.

We’ve been over this.

I don't associate that with any particular version of Jack. I do associate being overtly serious, having a harsh tone and a lack of joyfulness as being your scum game and it is here in spades.

Bullshit.

It’s like you remember and don’t remember your own game as is convenient.

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Sabie] aubergine

[MacDougall]

I've also not been a fan of TH this game I just read the ISO. My first issue with them at the beginning of the game was making reads with no real explanation. Then their treatment of colin was weird to me like they were so sure its gotta be colin and anyone who thought maybe give colin a chance must be bad too. Now all of a sudden since no one was following that he's onto something else. Shrug idk I don't feel great about him so far.

I think right now though I feel worse about mac. I'm not seeing him as civ and in looking back at other games I could see his responses as a scum mac. He is trying to get people off himself without trying to make cases elsewhere. His blindly following jack on nutella was meh. I know he has a way of trying to sneakily get suspicion in different directions without directly saying it.
[VOTE: mac] aubergine

This is a classic scum vote. Talk about someone else first. But ultimately have little reason to have even brought it up because the goal is to get your vote on the mislynch.

[MacDougall]

Like beyond Mac’s teammates dogpiling, I haven’t a clue why I’m being voted for. I’m insanely town here. Did a bunch of stuff yesterday I wouldn’t have done as a wolf.

Like what?

Going hard on anyone D1. Backing off Nutella.

We’ve been over this.

I don't associate that with any particular version of Jack. I do associate being overtly serious, having a harsh tone and a lack of joyfulness as being your scum game and it is here in spades.

Bullshit.

It’s like you remember and don’t remember your own game as is convenient.

Wtf does this even mean?

[MacDougall]

Every wagon rises and falls but mine. I wonder why.

[juliets]

Could we lynch Sabie?

Thanks for reminding me that I wanted to ask @MacDougall what he saw as Sabie's scum tell.

She worked too hard to quantify tossing a vote on me. She wrote a prep post for it, then in the vote post she wrote a wall of drivel to justify voting there. It's what nervous scum do especially when voting to block progression of a teammate wagon.

I'm looking for that now.

[MacDougall]

Sabie is probably TH's teammate given she had to justify not voting TH over me.

[MacDougall]

But TH's wagon is quite impure.

[MacDougall]

Be back later hopefully. If not GL.

[juliets]

I've also not been a fan of TH this game I just read the ISO. My first issue with them at the beginning of the game was making reads with no real explanation. Then their treatment of colin was weird to me like they were so sure its gotta be colin and anyone who thought maybe give colin a chance must be bad too. Now all of a sudden since no one was following that he's onto something else. Shrug idk I don't feel great about him so far.

I think right now though I feel worse about mac. I'm not seeing him as civ and in looking back at other games I could see his responses as a scum mac. He is trying to get people off himself without trying to make cases elsewhere. His blindly following jack on nutella was meh. I know he has a way of trying to sneakily get suspicion in different directions without directly saying it.
[VOTE: mac] aubergine

This is a classic scum vote. Talk about someone else first. But ultimately have little reason to have even brought it up because the goal is to get your vote on the mislynch.

There are two things in @[mention]sabie12[/mention]'s post that I question. One is what scum games did you look at sabie? Also, why are you saying he "blindly" followed Jack? He had a conversation with nutella where she told him Jack reads her well and I don't remember her denying that she did that (correct me if I'm wrong). I don't see that as blindly following.

[juliets]

I have to leave for a few minutes but I'll be back as soon as I can.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like beyond Mac’s teammates dogpiling, I haven’t a clue why I’m being voted for. I’m insanely town here. Did a bunch of stuff yesterday I wouldn’t have done as a wolf.

Like what?

Going hard on anyone D1. Backing off Nutella.

We’ve been over this.

I don't associate that with any particular version of Jack. I do associate being overtly serious, having a harsh tone and a lack of joyfulness as being your scum game and it is here in spades.

Bullshit.

It’s like you remember and don’t remember your own game as is convenient.

Wtf does this even mean?

It means I was exactly as serious early on in that game as I am now. Your read is nonsense.

[Sloonei]

I have a concern about sabie:

Spoiler: show

Ok I just read through @sprityo and almost all of it seems like fluff. He voted Jack on Day 1 making a point of saying it was just gut, but then also voted Jack on Day 2. Sprityo, are you still voting on just gut? I know you just got home and there is family to see and such so I don't want to push too hard but what's going on? You are capable of really great play as Jay pointed out but I can't say I see anything towny in your posts, and the vote for Jack on Day 2 is uninspiring or worse without a reason. Hope you are able to talk some more about this today.

Is anyone else having this same reaction or am I missing something?

Yeah I had the same feeling about spirityo so far. He hasn't done his usual amount of posting and accusing. Seems kinda blah.

I think the people discouraging us from a Colin vote look suspicious af

Which people? I recall sloonei and spirityo saying they were wary of a mislynch. Do you think his teammates would be obvious in defending him? I'm not a fan of colin this game either so far. Do you suspect them for any other reason or just that?

I think the people discouraging us from a Colin vote look suspicious af

Which people? I recall sloonei and spirityo saying they were wary of a mislynch. Do you think his teammates would be obvious in defending him? I'm not a fan of colin this game either so far. Do you suspect them for any other reason or just that?

I mentioned bad vibes from sloonei and sprityo before they defended Colin, so this adds to my read of them. Idk if they'd be so bold as to defend a teammate but I'm willing to put pressure there

I don't think their defense of colin makes them sketchy as much as maybe their not being their usual scum hunting selves so far this game.

Oompa loompa doompadee durst,
When did I ever say I was cursed?



More after I eat some lunch.

I never thought you were cursed, but when the assumption went around, you didn't correct it earlier, did you?

Self imposed posting restrictions are a great way for a baddie to hide out, and your content is slim. I will be here on and off all day, give me some of those sweet accountant analyses, G Man.

I want you to make me believe you, you know I do.

That's what I said earlier that he could be pretending to be cursed. It was done by mafia to pretend like they were targeted by mafia so people would think they were civ

(the above is in conjunction with this post)

I see sabie12 and Michelle share my suspicion of TH (maybe others too, i did not read everything, and probably won't get around to it), so i'm glad to see i'm not the only one. I'm putting a vote there.

Ew.

I also thought this was ew. Tranq seems to be not at all interested in this game.

What happened to jack? Ever since nutella got lynched he hasn't been around as much. I feel like he is around more and more aggressive with the scum hunting when hes a civ. It was like he mainly cared about accusing nutella and then mac and now he's just whatever about it.

I havent had a chance to read gmans huge post yet.

(the above post is where this concern crystallized for me)

Upon reviewing the whole of Mac's re-entry into the thread last night, I find myself uninspired by essentially all of it. Someone please tell me why Mac is a civilian.

I can’t, and for once I feel like I have a tangible suspicion against him as well: his “joke” about Dragomir that we had a short spat over. It was bizarre and of of nowhere, and after sleeping on it I feel like it was an attempt to slide the conversation back to a previous discussion (lynching a low poster, which both nanook and I had expressed tentative support for a little while earlier) without directly endorsing it or making it too obvious what he was doing. It looked like an awkward attempt at a transition disguised as a joke. If he genuinely wanted us to look at a low poster, he just needed to say so.

I think this is where I'm leaning with mac as well. I feel like he is trying to lead the thread in a different direction but in a sneaky way. He is a tough one to read but I'm leaning more scum on him.

I've also not been a fan of TH this game I just read the ISO. My first issue with them at the beginning of the game was making reads with no real explanation. Then their treatment of colin was weird to me like they were so sure its gotta be colin and anyone who thought maybe give colin a chance must be bad too. Now all of a sudden since no one was following that he's onto something else. Shrug idk I don't feel great about him so far.

I think right now though I feel worse about mac. I'm not seeing him as civ and in looking back at other games I could see his responses as a scum mac. He is trying to get people off himself without trying to make cases elsewhere. His blindly following jack on nutella was meh. I know he has a way of trying to sneakily get suspicion in different directions without directly saying it.
[VOTE: mac] aubergine

It is starting to feel like sabie is simply agreeing with/supporting or encouraging every suspicion that gets voiced in the thread. That would be opportunism at its most glaring.

I've never had success at identifying mafia sabie, and I've misidentified town sabie as mafia multiple times in the past as well, though I think I've gotten slightly better in that regard (or perhaps more hesitant to suspect her) in more recent games. But this is a patter that I'm observing in this game that I have not recognized before. To be clear, I've seen sabie latch onto other people's suspicions plenty of times as a civilian in the past; who doesn't do that? But I'm also used to seeing her generate unique opinions and state her disagreement with cases now and again. I feel like she is disproportionately voicing support of other people's suspicions in this game, and that worries me.

[sabie12]

Mac I voted you because I think you're bad. Ive been out and about today trying to phone post and get all my thoughts out while keeping up with tons of posts happening at once. I have to vote somewhere so I voted where it made sense to me. I don't know why dizzy has it out for me this game. They keep pretending like they know me or are familiar with my playstyle when they don't. I think they are just trying to defend you and get suspicion off you by going after me because they've I'm any easy target. Maybe you guys are teammates trying to move the lynch in a different direction.

I also think TH is bad and dizzy is defending them as well so...

[sabie12]

I have a concern about sabie:

Spoiler: show

Ok I just read through @sprityo and almost all of it seems like fluff. He voted Jack on Day 1 making a point of saying it was just gut, but then also voted Jack on Day 2. Sprityo, are you still voting on just gut? I know you just got home and there is family to see and such so I don't want to push too hard but what's going on? You are capable of really great play as Jay pointed out but I can't say I see anything towny in your posts, and the vote for Jack on Day 2 is uninspiring or worse without a reason. Hope you are able to talk some more about this today.

Is anyone else having this same reaction or am I missing something?

Yeah I had the same feeling about spirityo so far. He hasn't done his usual amount of posting and accusing. Seems kinda blah.

I think the people discouraging us from a Colin vote look suspicious af

Which people? I recall sloonei and spirityo saying they were wary of a mislynch. Do you think his teammates would be obvious in defending him? I'm not a fan of colin this game either so far. Do you suspect them for any other reason or just that?

I think the people discouraging us from a Colin vote look suspicious af

Which people? I recall sloonei and spirityo saying they were wary of a mislynch. Do you think his teammates would be obvious in defending him? I'm not a fan of colin this game either so far. Do you suspect them for any other reason or just that?

I mentioned bad vibes from sloonei and sprityo before they defended Colin, so this adds to my read of them. Idk if they'd be so bold as to defend a teammate but I'm willing to put pressure there

I don't think their defense of colin makes them sketchy as much as maybe their not being their usual scum hunting selves so far this game.

Oompa loompa doompadee durst,
When did I ever say I was cursed?



More after I eat some lunch.

I never thought you were cursed, but when the assumption went around, you didn't correct it earlier, did you?

Self imposed posting restrictions are a great way for a baddie to hide out, and your content is slim. I will be here on and off all day, give me some of those sweet accountant analyses, G Man.

I want you to make me believe you, you know I do.

That's what I said earlier that he could be pretending to be cursed. It was done by mafia to pretend like they were targeted by mafia so people would think they were civ

(the above is in conjunction with this post)

I see sabie12 and Michelle share my suspicion of TH (maybe others too, i did not read everything, and probably won't get around to it), so i'm glad to see i'm not the only one. I'm putting a vote there.

Ew.

I also thought this was ew. Tranq seems to be not at all interested in this game.

What happened to jack? Ever since nutella got lynched he hasn't been around as much. I feel like he is around more and more aggressive with the scum hunting when hes a civ. It was like he mainly cared about accusing nutella and then mac and now he's just whatever about it.

I havent had a chance to read gmans huge post yet.

(the above post is where this concern crystallized for me)

Upon reviewing the whole of Mac's re-entry into the thread last night, I find myself uninspired by essentially all of it. Someone please tell me why Mac is a civilian.

I can’t, and for once I feel like I have a tangible suspicion against him as well: his “joke” about Dragomir that we had a short spat over. It was bizarre and of of nowhere, and after sleeping on it I feel like it was an attempt to slide the conversation back to a previous discussion (lynching a low poster, which both nanook and I had expressed tentative support for a little while earlier) without directly endorsing it or making it too obvious what he was doing. It looked like an awkward attempt at a transition disguised as a joke. If he genuinely wanted us to look at a low poster, he just needed to say so.

I think this is where I'm leaning with mac as well. I feel like he is trying to lead the thread in a different direction but in a sneaky way. He is a tough one to read but I'm leaning more scum on him.

I've also not been a fan of TH this game I just read the ISO. My first issue with them at the beginning of the game was making reads with no real explanation. Then their treatment of colin was weird to me like they were so sure its gotta be colin and anyone who thought maybe give colin a chance must be bad too. Now all of a sudden since no one was following that he's onto something else. Shrug idk I don't feel great about him so far.

I think right now though I feel worse about mac. I'm not seeing him as civ and in looking back at other games I could see his responses as a scum mac. He is trying to get people off himself without trying to make cases elsewhere. His blindly following jack on nutella was meh. I know he has a way of trying to sneakily get suspicion in different directions without directly saying it.
[VOTE: mac] aubergine

It is starting to feel like sabie is simply agreeing with/supporting or encouraging every suspicion that gets voiced in the thread. That would be opportunism at its most glaring.

I've never had success at identifying mafia sabie, and I've misidentified town sabie as mafia multiple times in the past as well, though I think I've gotten slightly better in that regard (or perhaps more hesitant to suspect her) in more recent games. But this is a patter that I'm observing in this game that I have not recognized before. To be clear, I've seen sabie latch onto other people's suspicions plenty of times as a civilian in the past; who doesn't do that? But I'm also used to seeing her generate unique opinions and state her disagreement with cases now and again. I feel like she is disproportionately voicing support of other people's suspicions in this game, and that worries me.

I've had a hard time making reads this game it's such a big game and so much going on while also balancing real life things. I have a hard time keeping up sometimes and I respond when I'm able to to things that make sense to me. I think mac is going after me because I am easy to go after. I'm not a strong player early game and I know that's a weakness of mine because it takes me awhile to get into it. Also I'd like to point out that mac was town reading me and didnt have any problem with me whatsoever until I voted for him. Then all of a sudden I'm bad because I accused him.

[Turnip Head]

I’m insanely town here.

Not really. We all know what supatown looks like and this isn't it. Saying you're "insanely town" is an exaggeration of reality

[Sloonei]

I've had a hard time making reads this game it's such a big game and so much going on while also balancing real life things. I have a hard time keeping up sometimes and I respond when I'm able to to things that make sense to me. I think mac is going after me because I am easy to go after. I'm not a strong player early game and I know that's a weakness of mine because it takes me awhile to get into it. Also I'd like to point out that mac was town reading me and didnt have any problem with me whatsoever until I voted for him. Then all of a sudden I'm bad because I accused him.

My mind is far from made up at the moment. It would help if you could identify a few town reads that you have so far in this game.

[MacDougall]

Like beyond Mac’s teammates dogpiling, I haven’t a clue why I’m being voted for. I’m insanely town here. Did a bunch of stuff yesterday I wouldn’t have done as a wolf.

Like what?

Going hard on anyone D1. Backing off Nutella.

We’ve been over this.

I don't associate that with any particular version of Jack. I do associate being overtly serious, having a harsh tone and a lack of joyfulness as being your scum game and it is here in spades.

Bullshit.

It’s like you remember and don’t remember your own game as is convenient.

Wtf does this even mean?

It means I was exactly as serious early on in that game as I am now. Your read is nonsense.

What game am I talking about? Because it's all of them.