Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[sig]

And with him going hard after Mac who likely is bad on the other team, will net him a pelt and some credit.

Yeah I'm turning around fast on sig.

Also I started going after Mac before Radish was a thing D2? Literally started N1 and then D2. Don't really know what you except from someone who couldn't do anything D2.

[nutella]

[mention]sabie12[/mention] remember you have ghost posts! If you are so inclined you may help us hunt the other team! If not you can mess with us! Either way come be spoooooky

[sig]

Even tying me to Radish is fundamentally a flawed thing since the vast movement on him was the day when I couldn't contribute.

Also nah Mac's gotta go, his flip to lynch me after civ reading me just further cements my read here.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

[nutella]

Hey Epi. Are you and sig the last two Anti-Monitors?

Yes.

Gottem

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yeah, Mac is still bad and Sig is still good and I’m still giving Epi another day because I don’t understand him.

[nutella]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Oh I'm good.

[nutella]

I'm cracking the whole game apart fellas.

[sig]

Well now's Epi voting me rude. But, not surprising if we follow my Epi/Mac thing

[Epignosis]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean I guess if I squint I can see sig making a bad “slip” read to get pushback (thus discouraging cases against radish) then tying me and radish together and pushing me over him based on me defending him...

Idk I guess I could see it as a stretch but I would TK so many people over him today

[nutella]

And with him going hard after Mac who likely is bad on the other team, will net him a pelt and some credit.

Yeah I'm turning around fast on sig.

Fuck yeah let's do it. [VOTE: sig] aubergine

Holy shit I really have to make this decision. I have to listen to Wolf A telling me to lynch Wolf B, or listen to Wolf B telling me to lynch Wolf A.


Fuckin multiball, man.

[nutella]

Shit, the more I think about this/read sig's d1 posts the more I like it. He tried to link Nanook and Radish, but went hard after Nanook first, maybe hoping with a nanook flip he'd be off the hook on his fake Radish suspicion.

I had much more solid reasons for my Nanook vote and I'll defend that until my dying day.

Radish wasn't present enough or in my focus enough to really care that much.

He was in most everyone else's focus, and nobody cared about your nanook thing, so..... what gives??

[sig]

I mean I guess if I squint I can see sig making a bad “slip” read to get pushback (thus discouraging cases against radish) then tying me and radish together and pushing me over him based on me defending him...

Idk I guess I could see it as a stretch but I would TK so many people over him today

There wasn't a case against Radish when this came up though?

That was like literally D0 stuff.

[nutella]

Actually tbf I cared for a bit. But radish was clearly the dominant thread topic for most of the phase.

[Jackofhearts2005]

And with him going hard after Mac who likely is bad on the other team, will net him a pelt and some credit.

Yeah I'm turning around fast on sig.

Fuck yeah let's do it. [VOTE: sig] aubergine

Holy shit I really have to make this decision. I have to listen to Wolf A telling me to lynch Wolf B, or listen to Wolf B telling me to lynch Wolf A.


Fuckin multiball, man.

Do I really have to be that guy and point out why you should know Sig is town?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Shit, the more I think about this/read sig's d1 posts the more I like it. He tried to link Nanook and Radish, but went hard after Nanook first, maybe hoping with a nanook flip he'd be off the hook on his fake Radish suspicion.

I had much more solid reasons for my Nanook vote and I'll defend that until my dying day.

Radish wasn't present enough or in my focus enough to really care that much.

I flipped town tho

[nutella]

This is amazing in the worst way you guys. I've nailed scum on both teams and just have to pick which one we lynch first. Tony gimme some power analysis or something

[Jackofhearts2005]

And by extension how bad it is that Mac is for realzies voting him?

[nutella]

Also G-Man is the fool's wagon imo. It's gonna be Mac vs Sig.

[sig]

Shit, the more I think about this/read sig's d1 posts the more I like it. He tried to link Nanook and Radish, but went hard after Nanook first, maybe hoping with a nanook flip he'd be off the hook on his fake Radish suspicion.

I had much more solid reasons for my Nanook vote and I'll defend that until my dying day.

Radish wasn't present enough or in my focus enough to really care that much.

He was in most everyone else's focus, and nobody cared about your nanook thing, so..... what gives??

So? Why'd I care if anybody cared about my Nanook thing?

I've gut read, built cases on, tone read ect in countless games the right people and been ignored.

Also I'd argue he wasn't the majority of focus most of D1 but D2. Seems like your nitpicking right now and flipflopping

Nitflopping

Stop Nitflopping Nutella.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean I guess if I squint I can see sig making a bad “slip” read to get pushback (thus discouraging cases against radish) then tying me and radish together and pushing me over him based on me defending him...

Idk I guess I could see it as a stretch but I would TK so many people over him today

There wasn't a case against Radish when this came up though?

That was like literally D0 stuff.

It preemptively discourages cases


I’m playing devils advocate not accusing you

[sig]

Nutella how about build a case on people before trying to come in as some town god? lol

[sig]

Shit, the more I think about this/read sig's d1 posts the more I like it. He tried to link Nanook and Radish, but went hard after Nanook first, maybe hoping with a nanook flip he'd be off the hook on his fake Radish suspicion.

I had much more solid reasons for my Nanook vote and I'll defend that until my dying day.

Radish wasn't present enough or in my focus enough to really care that much.

I flipped town tho

Doesn't matter.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also G-Man is the fool's wagon imo. It's gonna be Mac vs Sig.

Talk to me about GMan.

Even if Sig was scum, and he’s not, there’s a fourth wolf.

[nutella]

Even tying me to Radish is fundamentally a flawed thing since the vast movement on him was the day when I couldn't contribute.

Also nah Mac's gotta go, his flip to lynch me after civ reading me just further cements my read here.

Nah Radish was a major thing on d1 as well. My point was that he was absolutely a more realistic d1 push than nanook, yet you firmly pushed for nanook and largely ignored the common sentiments against Radish.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Uh sig isn’t gonna die today, lol. There are at minimum 4 better choices

And I’m saying that as someone who had him as my second blow up choice lol

[Epignosis]

Last chance to talk to me. I'm drunk and tired and have to work tomorrow and won't be with you until night again.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Shit, the more I think about this/read sig's d1 posts the more I like it. He tried to link Nanook and Radish, but went hard after Nanook first, maybe hoping with a nanook flip he'd be off the hook on his fake Radish suspicion.

I had much more solid reasons for my Nanook vote and I'll defend that until my dying day.

Radish wasn't present enough or in my focus enough to really care that much.

I flipped town tho

Doesn't matter.

I mean it does matter lol, it means your case on me wasn’t good

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Last chance to talk to me. I'm drunk and tired and have to work tomorrow and won't be with you until night again.

Tolstoy or Dostoevsky

[nutella]

And with him going hard after Mac who likely is bad on the other team, will net him a pelt and some credit.

Yeah I'm turning around fast on sig.

Fuck yeah let's do it. [VOTE: sig] aubergine

Holy shit I really have to make this decision. I have to listen to Wolf A telling me to lynch Wolf B, or listen to Wolf B telling me to lynch Wolf A.


Fuckin multiball, man.

Do I really have to be that guy and point out why you should know Sig is town?

Uh, sure?

[sig]

Like Nutella's reasoning right now is

I called MAc a wolf so he's a wolf

oh but,

something something radish and sig, and Mac telling me to vote for him so I'll do it. Even though I think he's mafia

linki: Yea and? I don't see what your point proves here what so ever or has any teammate anything to it. I commented on it gave my thoughts and remained committed to my wagon. I can't say how I'd have switched if the bomb hadn't have happened or not. But, trying to tie me to radish for those reasons are weak.

linki2: first off rude second choice? Should have been your first.
Second: I mean sure I was wrong, but solid reasoning for D0/1 in my opinion. Also trying to tie it to me commenting on the slip is just silly. Which seems to be the main drive. Especially since literally everyone blew that off, but me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like Sig gets lynched every damn game he’s in. He got a universal townread for two days.

Sig didn’t spontaneously generate Juliets level fake purity. He’s just town.

[Epignosis]

Last chance to talk to me. I'm drunk and tired and have to work tomorrow and won't be with you until night again.

Tolstoy or Dostoevsky

The latter, easily. My favorite author.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Good man, I knew we had common ground

[nutella]

And by extension how bad it is that Mac is for realzies voting him?

I'm still probably staying on Mac bc I have more consistently backed up reasons on him, whereas I just 180ed on sig and should probably second guess that. But honestly I feel so free, as if I put on new glasses and was able to see the dark truth of someone I had squirreled away as a top townread.

[sig]

And also re hunting Mac and other team. Of course I'm going to focus on them since they went after me last phase and silenced me which made me salty. So not only are they a larger threat to me then the other team, but overall with 2/4 of team 2 gone, team 1 is a bigger threat.

linki:

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like Nutella's reasoning right now is

I called MAc a wolf so he's a wolf

oh but,

something something radish and sig, and Mac telling me to vote for him so I'll do it. Even though I think he's mafia

linki: Yea and? I don't see what your point proves here what so ever or has any teammate anything to it. I commented on it gave my thoughts and remained committed to my wagon. I can't say how I'd have switched if the bomb hadn't have happened or not. But, trying to tie me to radish for those reasons are weak.

linki2: first off rude second choice? Should have been your first.
Second: I mean sure I was wrong, but solid reasoning for D0/1 in my opinion. Also trying to tie it to me commenting on the slip is just silly. Which seems to be the main drive. Especially since literally everyone blew that off, but me.

It was bad and silly reasoning

As I made clear I’m not pushing a case on you and in fact would defend you vs like 4 or 5 other people today. Idk what you are but you’re low on the priority list for sure

[nutella]

Shit, the more I think about this/read sig's d1 posts the more I like it. He tried to link Nanook and Radish, but went hard after Nanook first, maybe hoping with a nanook flip he'd be off the hook on his fake Radish suspicion.

I had much more solid reasons for my Nanook vote and I'll defend that until my dying day.

Radish wasn't present enough or in my focus enough to really care that much.

He was in most everyone else's focus, and nobody cared about your nanook thing, so..... what gives??

So? Why'd I care if anybody cared about my Nanook thing?

I've gut read, built cases on, tone read ect in countless games the right people and been ignored.

Also I'd argue he wasn't the majority of focus most of D1 but D2. Seems like your nitpicking right now and flipflopping

Nitflopping

Stop Nitflopping Nutella.

Don't tell a woman what she can't do with her own body

[MacDougall]

And with him going hard after Mac who likely is bad on the other team, will net him a pelt and some credit.

Yeah I'm turning around fast on sig.

Fuck yeah let's do it. [VOTE: sig] aubergine

Shocker, mac decided to vote for someone who's going after him. This has never ever happened before.

Yes I am very much alone in that

[nutella]

Nutella how about build a case on people before trying to come in as some town god? lol

But it says Town God right there in my signature.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Tbf no open toe shoes is less of a “control women via policing their bodies” and more of a “this is unsanitary” situation in many cases

[MacDougall]

Even tying me to Radish is fundamentally a flawed thing since the vast movement on him was the day when I couldn't contribute.

Also nah Mac's gotta go, his flip to lynch me after civ reading me just further cements my read here.

Mafia. Serious business.

Seriously I am in a no win position sig so I am just trying to enjoy myself.

[nutella]

Also G-Man is the fool's wagon imo. It's gonna be Mac vs Sig.

Talk to me about GMan.

Even if Sig was scum, and he’s not, there’s a fourth wolf.

I honestly think it could be Epi.

It could be G-man too, for sure. In fact I think it's pretty likely. But tbh I kinda fell for his ATE a liiiittle bit, and I just think he's the easy choice for today that the scum want us all to hop onto.

[Epignosis]

Could be, might be, definitely is a toss up.

[nutella]

Like Nutella's reasoning right now is

I called MAc a wolf so he's a wolf

oh but,

something something radish and sig, and Mac telling me to vote for him so I'll do it. Even though I think he's mafia

linki: Yea and? I don't see what your point proves here what so ever or has any teammate anything to it. I commented on it gave my thoughts and remained committed to my wagon. I can't say how I'd have switched if the bomb hadn't have happened or not. But, trying to tie me to radish for those reasons are weak.

linki2: first off rude second choice? Should have been your first.
Second: I mean sure I was wrong, but solid reasoning for D0/1 in my opinion. Also trying to tie it to me commenting on the slip is just silly. Which seems to be the main drive. Especially since literally everyone blew that off, but me.

No, my reasoning is your radishes interactions are bad and your push on mac is completely consistent with being on radish's team.

[nutella]

Good man, I knew we had common ground

Count me in. Dostoevsky all the way

[Sloonei]

So I've already seen a few things, but like my dudes it's day 0 can we chill a bit.

No sig, now is not the time for chilling. This is spoken like an anti-champion.

Also I agree with Michelle, at least one of the vanilla voters are mafia.

Okay. This is the kind of idiosyncratic read I can see sig making, to be fair. I didn't object to its existence in the moment and I still don't.

Tex/Michelle are my early town read
Jay and nanook early meh reada

Ted and Michelle were his first town reads. Noted. Jay and nanook 1.0 were "meh" reads. A "meh" read is distinct from a scum read, I believe. This point was discussed.

Expresses some skepticism of SVS. Cool. Jay and SVS are among the strongest "not radish aligned" players in the game, and sig's first two swings of the game have gone in their respective directions. Noted. SVS follow-up. I feel like this resembles Radishes' early case on SVS as well. Whether or not two partners would pursue more or less the exact same suspicion off the bat like this, I do not know. It might be slightly more likely in a multiball game like this one.

I had one big early-game exchange with sig that is encapsulated here. My impression of it then and now is that sig looked good here: I held his feet to the fire about some potential inconsistencies and he answered everything I threw at him without flinching and gave me answers that all made sense and lined up. He genuinely managed to reshape my understanding of his posts in a way that made sense to me upon reflection. The whole thing suggested that he was coming at it from an honest place and it was here that I first started to feel good about sig. Caveat, of course, is that bad guys can hunt honestly in this setup.

Can anyone give me a run down of Radishes Meta?

Generic Radish prompt is generic.

sig initiated baddie-gate, in which Radishes came under fire. Hm. Snap judgment is this is actually a good look for sig in relation to Radishes. It was a wacky and bizarre thing to pick out, and if they're partners one could say that it's totally unnecessary (or not, because WIFOM). sig quickly follows up with this:

Having said that i did like radish's post, but didn't catch the baddie thing until svs said it.

If sig and Radishes are partners, and sig just dipped his toes in the bussing/distancing pool, this looks like a super timid reversal. I don't know if I buy that. A closer look at the way this episode unfolded could be helpful. Back burner for now, but my gut read of this is favorable for sig, which is significant given that the premise of the present ISO is centered around the sig/radish dynamic.

Spoiler: show

So nanook was the earliest wne most aggressive defender of Radish. I plan to reread that entire section but I'd say SVS and sloonie look fine from it. In fact I'd give them points sloonie for his defense or svs and svs for asking the question then clarifying when I suggest it was a slip.

If she was mafia i think shed probably push pr at least not attempt to dissuade my view, unless they're teammates but that's alot of ifs.

Nutella's reaction seemed to be really aggressive overly aggressive. Like there's no reason not to pursue my line of thinking especially when the only other discussion is literally about ice cream flavors.

Subtraction of a point for focusing on nanook1.0 as the key suspect in baddie-gate, when the original premise was a suspect Radish slip. He continues after nanook for quite some time after this, and I'm seeing very little additional mentions of Radishes. [mention]sig[/mention] take us back to "baddie-gate" and talk about your perception of the individual players involved some more. Mostly interested in Radishes and nanook1.0 here.

At face value I don't object to the nanook suspicion although (as I said at the time) it seemed to be relying on a meta read which is heavily biased toward mafia nanook given his lack of civilian performances on the Syndicate prior to this game.

Gives the "meh" Jay read a new coat of paint, but doesn't change it.

Spoiler: show

I'm liking svs posts.

Dom/sab hasn't done much yet, but they're here so would like to see more there.

Not liking Mac's lack of explanation on reads, but I seem to remember that's how he's been playing recently.

I also didn't see anything that bad with nutella. She seems to be playing her normal day one self.

I need to read over Jack, his tone/style does seem a bit off. But, not necessarily mafia behavior. What is this known Jack scum tell he's displaying?

Positive read for SVS now. Aight.
The most interesting point here is the sabie mention. She "hasn't done much yet" but is "here" and sig passes no judgment, just waves. Dom is lumped with sabie. I don't know why he includes this observation.
He also makes/joins a push against Mac and offers support of nutella1.0. Just recording facts here.

Spoiler: show

Tsp, Sprityo, and Epi all seem okay right now also.

I definitely like Epi's interaction with nanook.

Radish's early posts felt a bit fake, but I liked his big self describing post and I'd be hesitant to vote for someone I've never plated with day one.

some more blanket reads that don't amount to much, but that Radish read is juice-EE. Let us follow its progression:

Clause #1 (red) is a negative stance that gets immediately discarded. Clause #2 is a favorable read based on something that (in my opinion) should not be alignment indicative at all (Radish's meta self-assessment). Clause #3 (yellow) is entirely unrelated to #1 & #2 and is used as an excuse to abstain from the Radish vote. This is a clumsy sentence that exists to produce a reason not to vote for a particular player.
Let me also note again that baddie-gate was initiated by sig making a point against Radishes. That whole event apparently does not factor into sig's read on Radishes at all, but was instead the genesis of a prolonged march against nanook1.0.

some more nanook stuff happens for a little while.

Thoughts on juliets and gman?

I've got a really hard time reading Juliets in general and haven't played with Gman in forever so they're both hard reads.

It's not immediately clear who this question is directed at. nanook, maybe? ted and jack are also present at the time. Doesn't really matter.
I believe this marks the first direct mention of juliets in sig's iso and the first overall mention of G-man. This seems pretty open ended. G-man remains a person of interest in the hunt for The Rest of This Team, so I'm intrigued but can't really do much with this post on its own.

I'm gonna hit Submit on this and continue on in a separate post because it's getting late and I want to give people a chance to respond to things in real time.

[Epignosis]

Vote Jack and sleep well.

That's what I'm doing.

Good night all.

Also fuck you Sloonei I'm not reading it.

[sprityo]

apparently hosts think ive infodumped when ive done no such thing