I used the shrug emoji for a long time here but it never comes out as I want it to.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:24 amI like my shrug emoji. It’s my favorite emoji
(It literally comes up when I type emoji)
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Lynch the master team one first unless kill doesn’t get inherited in which case kill other one
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Green Arrow’s Bow appeared on the items list. That wasn’t there before ?
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Thanks, fixed. Tony is currently voting for Colin. :o
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I think our best option today is to lynch someone who has high equity for being on the master’s team with Mac and also without Mac.
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That sounds stupid so let’s phrase this differently:
If Mac is scum, is there anyone who is surely also scum?
Lynch them instead.
Mac has a very limited range of possibilities and if we lynch him on autopilot and we’re wrong we risk having no leads on what will soon be a fully powered scum team.
If Mac is scum, is there anyone who is surely also scum?
Lynch them instead.
Mac has a very limited range of possibilities and if we lynch him on autopilot and we’re wrong we risk having no leads on what will soon be a fully powered scum team.
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]
And you think this person is me? Pray tell why.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:24 am That sounds stupid so let’s phrase this differently:
If Mac is scum, is there anyone who is surely also scum?
Lynch them instead.
Mac has a very limited range of possibilities and if we lynch him on autopilot and we’re wrong we risk having no leads on what will soon be a fully powered scum team.
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You’re my stall vote before I get my computer out to do the work. I’m trying to figure out why I read you as town you on day 1. Realistically, you’re fifth suspect on the list but you’re first suspect for being on the team we need to kill someone on.S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:33 amAnd you think this person is me? Pray tell why.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:24 am That sounds stupid so let’s phrase this differently:
If Mac is scum, is there anyone who is surely also scum?
Lynch them instead.
Mac has a very limited range of possibilities and if we lynch him on autopilot and we’re wrong we risk having no leads on what will soon be a fully powered scum team.
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I'm running a little late this morning with my post. I decided to try posting thoughts as I go. From here I need to read through Mac and sig while I'm fresh.
The theory fits together nicely but I want to see bad Mac for myself.
I'm skipping Sloonei's sig ISO until I can do my own, then I'll go back to his.
linki: Tony, did you already talk about why S~V~S is number 1 on your list? And I guess you must have posted a list that I don't remember so I'll look back for it.
And for that reason I will be ISOing Mac this morning.sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:44 pm Okay I gotta go for real. I have a ride along for a job all day tomorrow, a quiz, case study, and test that I haven't studied enough for. Then like 2 more tests and a paper. So i'll only be popping in.
linki: Rude my theory makes perfect sense paired with an ISO read of Mac.
The theory fits together nicely but I want to see bad Mac for myself.
I haven't seen it either which worries me. When we were bad together she posted much less than her normal town meta.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:24 pm [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine I'm not seeing town fire in her
Thank goodness, I was feeling dumb for not knowing what thunderdome means.
I haven't done the ISO yet but my perception matches that Mac hasn't tried to solve the game.Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:52 pmThis is not someone trying to actually solve the game.
This is someone looking to antagonize anyone who disagrees into exhaustion.
This was surprising to me because there has been so much talk about sig being good. If sig is bad then maybe G-Man is right and sig's theory is "too tidy". Another ISO to do, after Mac.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:12 am
But by far the most intriguing thing on these joint lists is the placement of sig on both occasions. On the surface sig feels like a comfortable town read, but Jay and I both approached Radishes' interactions from different ends of the spectrum, and we both came out of our respective exercises with negative opinions of sig.
[VOTE: sig] aubergine for now while I do some more digging.
Ted whatcha talking about here?
I'm not town reading Jack (I'm still sorting him) but the middle paragraph is a good point. Epi, please give some thoughts on why you see him as bad (I haven't done your ISO so if you have and I missed it just point me there).Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:03 am Like honestly, Epi, what are you doing.
Your best effort and genuine feeling won’t get me lynched. You know just repeating shit like “Jack is bad” or “Jack should be lynched” isn’t going to do the trick.
What? Are you treading water or something?
What? Fake purity?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:17 am Like Sig gets lynched every damn game he’s in. He got a universal townread for two days.
Sig didn’t spontaneously generate Juliets level fake purity. He’s just town.
I'm skipping Sloonei's sig ISO until I can do my own, then I'll go back to his.
I agree. I don't want to believe it but I am also thinking he could be trying to manipulate with that post. Edit: aaaaaand then he makes another post that sounds genuine. The skeptic in me is just too strong though. I'll let this simmer.
So you are saying lynch someone for being bad with Mac even though we don't know whether Mac is bad? That feels wrong but I'll ponder it while I ISO some people.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:24 am That sounds stupid so let’s phrase this differently:
If Mac is scum, is there anyone who is surely also scum?
Lynch them instead.
Mac has a very limited range of possibilities and if we lynch him on autopilot and we’re wrong we risk having no leads on what will soon be a fully powered scum team.
linki: Tony, did you already talk about why S~V~S is number 1 on your list? And I guess you must have posted a list that I don't remember so I'll look back for it.
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]
Oh, and I see [mention]Tranq[/mention] posted some thoughts about people but no reasons. Tranq, can you give us your reasoning, even if it's just a short blurb?
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:24 pm Always good to remember that there is no such thing as a Mafia circumstance that is worth real human emotion. Sometimes it will naturally come out, but it can be contained if we just remember that this is a game on a message board forum that 99.99% of the population of the Earth has never heard of before. No matter how successful anyone is, it means just about nothing.
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Tony, I couldn't find your list of 5 so it would be great if you would list them with a blurb. Maybe that's what you're getting ready to do.
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I look forward to hearing your reasoning.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:40 amYou’re my stall vote before I get my computer out to do the work. I’m trying to figure out why I read you as town you on day 1. Realistically, you’re fifth suspect on the list but you’re first suspect for being on the team we need to kill someone on.S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:33 amAnd you think this person is me? Pray tell why.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:24 am That sounds stupid so let’s phrase this differently:
If Mac is scum, is there anyone who is surely also scum?
Lynch them instead.
Mac has a very limited range of possibilities and if we lynch him on autopilot and we’re wrong we risk having no leads on what will soon be a fully powered scum team.
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No prob, I'll check back while I'm reading through Mac.
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"Let us put the cart before the horse. That shall surely work!"TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:24 am That sounds stupid so let’s phrase this differently:
If Mac is scum, is there anyone who is surely also scum?
Lynch them instead.
Mac has a very limited range of possibilities and if we lynch him on autopilot and we’re wrong we risk having no leads on what will soon be a fully powered scum team.
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]
Question for all you Mac believers:
If Mac is good, then what's up with his position on me?
Am I bad? Am I good? Am I whatever is convenient to get Mac out of the situation he is in?
Mac has no scruples. He has no positions. When engaged with (on sabie) he rebuffs because you can't demagogue by acting in good faith. He claims the suspicion of him is all toxic personal attacks. It is not. I suspect Mac because he is not trying to solve the game. He is trying to win. We all are, however, some of us need to solve the game to win. Mac just needs to kill everyone else.
Turnip Head is employing the exact same strategy. Engage in bad faith. Make civ reads, and don't have a dialogue. Obfuscate. Do whatever you can to muddy the record.
I don't like these two in this game. They need to start trying to get lynched.
If Mac is good, then what's up with his position on me?
Am I bad? Am I good? Am I whatever is convenient to get Mac out of the situation he is in?
Mac has no scruples. He has no positions. When engaged with (on sabie) he rebuffs because you can't demagogue by acting in good faith. He claims the suspicion of him is all toxic personal attacks. It is not. I suspect Mac because he is not trying to solve the game. He is trying to win. We all are, however, some of us need to solve the game to win. Mac just needs to kill everyone else.
Turnip Head is employing the exact same strategy. Engage in bad faith. Make civ reads, and don't have a dialogue. Obfuscate. Do whatever you can to muddy the record.
I don't like these two in this game. They need to start trying to get lynched.
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Alright before I begin, some words on method:
Jack said something earlier along the line of “Radishes flipping scum halves the amount of spots left for Mac” and I initially didn’t find much importance in that. But it has to do with plans: the plan yesterday was that if Radish were town Mac was very likely scum and if Radish were scum we could search and easily find links from that. Radish flipping scum opened up new possibilities, but I and others then pointed out that lynching two anti-monitor members in succession from this point probably leaves town at (11-13)-4 or so, not terrible but not great.
So then we return to a Mac lynch. Reasonable. But this, I think, carries its own set of problems: there’s no plan. Just as town has a bad winrate even lynching scum day 1 in normal games, lynching Mac now — when Mac is likely to not last the night (Bow and scum kill) and certainly not the game — leaves us without any place to go. So we should be looking for someone who has the highest chance of being bad WITHOUT being on a team with Mac or Rad/Sab. Maybe we lynch Mac at the end of the day, but we need to at least have some idea.
Therefore, I will split analyses into three groups of which everyone can be scored:
Bad with R/S, Bad with Mac, Bad w/o R/M
For instance
TSP:
Bad with R/S
Low
Bad with Mac
Medium High
Bad w/o R/M
Low
I think the ideal lynch candidate for today will have results of
Low
Medium
High
But anyone with
High
High
High
Or something should obviously be looked at.
Now I’ll pull out my computer and open a spreadsheet and read some ISOs.
Jack said something earlier along the line of “Radishes flipping scum halves the amount of spots left for Mac” and I initially didn’t find much importance in that. But it has to do with plans: the plan yesterday was that if Radish were town Mac was very likely scum and if Radish were scum we could search and easily find links from that. Radish flipping scum opened up new possibilities, but I and others then pointed out that lynching two anti-monitor members in succession from this point probably leaves town at (11-13)-4 or so, not terrible but not great.
So then we return to a Mac lynch. Reasonable. But this, I think, carries its own set of problems: there’s no plan. Just as town has a bad winrate even lynching scum day 1 in normal games, lynching Mac now — when Mac is likely to not last the night (Bow and scum kill) and certainly not the game — leaves us without any place to go. So we should be looking for someone who has the highest chance of being bad WITHOUT being on a team with Mac or Rad/Sab. Maybe we lynch Mac at the end of the day, but we need to at least have some idea.
Therefore, I will split analyses into three groups of which everyone can be scored:
Bad with R/S, Bad with Mac, Bad w/o R/M
For instance
TSP:
Bad with R/S
Low
Bad with Mac
Medium High
Bad w/o R/M
Low
I think the ideal lynch candidate for today will have results of
Low
Medium
High
But anyone with
High
High
High
Or something should obviously be looked at.
Now I’ll pull out my computer and open a spreadsheet and read some ISOs.
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Has anyone town read Turnip? Is there any reason to?Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:34 am Question for all you Mac believers:
If Mac is good, then what's up with his position on me?
Am I bad? Am I good? Am I whatever is convenient to get Mac out of the situation he is in?
Mac has no scruples. He has no positions. When engaged with (on sabie) he rebuffs because you can't demagogue by acting in good faith. He claims the suspicion of him is all toxic personal attacks. It is not. I suspect Mac because he is not trying to solve the game. He is trying to win. We all are, however, some of us need to solve the game to win. Mac just needs to kill everyone else.
Turnip Head is employing the exact same strategy. Engage in bad faith. Make civ reads, and don't have a dialogue. Obfuscate. Do whatever you can to muddy the record.
I don't like these two in this game. They need to start trying to get lynched.
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]
Tony, I have no idea what you're talking about tbh. That is super confusing to me
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Can you explain the “natural progression” you saw? Because my D1 Mac read is the opposite. He flipped his reads on Nutella and me with seemingly no progression at all.S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:43 amI am not sure what you are asking me. There are only a few people that I think are more than (random percentage) 65% likely to be civ, and Mac isn't one of them.
But based on my reread of his Day One, I read his posts as a natural progression when taken in context. I have no idea why anyone whould try to NK him Night One, so I think the theory positing a specific sequence of events which make Mac bad is faulty for that reason. It is possible, but I don't find it likely.
So I personally am unlikley to vote for him today.
I wanted to ask you a question too. When I asked Badishes about "baddie", both you and Nanook thought I was implying a slip on Radishes part.
Why did you go after Nanook so hard, but not Radishes?
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Civs don't necessarily need to show progression they're allowed to change their mind. That's what makes it look natural.
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“Do people like try to manipulate people into townreading them in mafia games? Would GMan ethically do such a terrible thing?”S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:54 amIf one is not on one of the two baddie teams .... they're a civ (or the other indy role), right? I think the best reason to rule someone out is becasue they are not on one of the two baddie teams.
I have a question for you, this post of G Mans, this large appeal to emotion:
It worked, becasue I felt like a very bad person for suspecting him.Spoiler: show
My question is this; do YOU think G Man would make this post from aplace of manipulation, rather than realsies? I am tending to think the latter, but I am asking you this specifically becasue your interaction with him irl is similar to mine. G Mans baddie game does not involvoe this level of manipulation, imo. I don't see hm doing it.
But all the thread, all my feels up to this point, the vote analyses ... I dunno.
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]
By comparison jack your flip on Nutella Day 1 doesn't look natural, it looks designed
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Okay so what’s the difference between natural progression that isn’t posted to the thread and unnatural progression that just doesn’t exist?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:49 am Civs don't necessarily need to show progression they're allowed to change their mind. That's what makes it look natural.
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Lol okay.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:50 am By comparison jack your flip on Nutella Day 1 doesn't look natural, it looks designed
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It's a judgment callJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:51 amOkay so what’s the difference between natural progression that isn’t posted to the thread and unnatural progression that just doesn’t exist?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:49 am Civs don't necessarily need to show progression they're allowed to change their mind. That's what makes it look natural.
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A judgement call based on what? Telepathy?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:52 amIt's a judgment callJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:51 amOkay so what’s the difference between natural progression that isn’t posted to the thread and unnatural progression that just doesn’t exist?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:49 am Civs don't necessarily need to show progression they're allowed to change their mind. That's what makes it look natural.
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It’s not on the thread. You can’t call something that doesn’t exist “a natural progression.”
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This is the post where I discussed my view on Macs nutella suspicion. You may or may not value it, though, as it starts based on a thought TH brought up, and I know you suspect him. I spoilered it, it's a big post.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:47 amCan you explain the “natural progression” you saw? Because my D1 Mac read is the opposite. He flipped his reads on Nutella and me with seemingly no progression at all.S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:43 amI am not sure what you are asking me. There are only a few people that I think are more than (random percentage) 65% likely to be civ, and Mac isn't one of them.
But based on my reread of his Day One, I read his posts as a natural progression when taken in context. I have no idea why anyone whould try to NK him Night One, so I think the theory positing a specific sequence of events which make Mac bad is faulty for that reason. It is possible, but I don't find it likely.
So I personally am unlikley to vote for him today.
I wanted to ask you a question too. When I asked Badishes about "baddie", both you and Nanook thought I was implying a slip on Radishes part.
Why did you go after Nanook so hard, but not Radishes?
Re G-Man and the manipulation, duh. Of course manipulation is the name of the game, but that post was hard and heavy, and I don't know that I see it coming from G Man, becasue he knows me well enough to know that I would possibly be "reality" upset by it. G Man is like Golden, in that some things are not in his personal ethical playbook. So I will not activbely work against his lynch, cause otherwise he looks bad as all fuck, but I won't be voting for him.
Re Discord, maybe I will try it again. I never really liked since since I have a tad bit of social anxiety, and the times I went it was SO MANY people, and many of them were using names I did not know them by, so they felt like strangers, etc.
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TH!TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:22 am I think our best option today is to lynch someone who has high equity for being on the master’s team with Mac
Oh. Then idk.
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“One of them is always a wolf so we should lynch Nutella” is a pretty gross post about two non wolves.
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I 100% disagree about that progression.
Jack was sure Nutella was scum and said so loudly.
Mac said Nutella was town and Jack was scum with basically no explanation.
Then, after nothing changed between Jack and Nutella, Mac adopted the idea that Jack is always right about Nutella and therefore she is bad and if she’s not, whatever. An excuse to pretend that makes Jack scum.
The not tiny part would be an understandable opinion to have if he started with it or he developed it. That didn’t happen. That opinion appears to have spontaneously generated. More likely, Mac saw a way to shade two players who had each accumulated 6ish votes at some point during the day, hoping for a one two lynch and lynch of players not on his team.
It’s worse than no progression. There’s agenda in it.
Jack was sure Nutella was scum and said so loudly.
Mac said Nutella was town and Jack was scum with basically no explanation.
Then, after nothing changed between Jack and Nutella, Mac adopted the idea that Jack is always right about Nutella and therefore she is bad and if she’s not, whatever. An excuse to pretend that makes Jack scum.
The not tiny part would be an understandable opinion to have if he started with it or he developed it. That didn’t happen. That opinion appears to have spontaneously generated. More likely, Mac saw a way to shade two players who had each accumulated 6ish votes at some point during the day, hoping for a one two lynch and lynch of players not on his team.
It’s worse than no progression. There’s agenda in it.
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]
[mention]MacDougall[/mention] thoughts -
After finishing this ISO I have to admit I didn't find much, no smoking gun for me that he is bad, so if you want skip this and go to the last paragraph. Sorry part of this is squished together I couldn't get my spacing right.
I'm starting in Day 2 because I read him as town for his N1 posts.
- I said earlier I had the perception that Mac hadn't done much hunting but he did point out specifics about sabie12 being bad. I realize she's on "the other team" but I want to acknowledge that he did that at least.
- There are a sequence of posts during EOD where Mac sounds desperate. He says people should move to another wagon and includes TH in the list and then turns around and tells G-Man that he doesn't suspect TH at all. This post is indicative of the desperate tone I see:
Michelle (a)
Tranq (a)
Jackofhearts2005 (b)
sabie12 (a/b)
Dom (b)
G-Man (b)
sprityo (b)
- And herein lies the problem ( he did point out right afterwards that now that he has feelers in the game he can start hunting):
- More hunting:
- Mac why do you see this post as bad?
- Mac, are you seriously saying your vote was a joke? It didn't sound like a joke.
I wish I had read through all of this and could say I unequivocally see Mac as scum but I can't say that. I'm not seeing the smoking gun. I will go through the thread though and search for comments about Mac to remind myself the reasons people are so sure he is bad. The best argument for me comes from sig, the whole Saitama theory so maybe my read of sig will help me out. [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] also reminds me about the day 1 turnaround on he and nutella. That bothered me and I posted about it back on Day-something, then I got over it but I can't remember why. I'll revisit the discussion around this.
I'll read sig next after a short break.
After finishing this ISO I have to admit I didn't find much, no smoking gun for me that he is bad, so if you want skip this and go to the last paragraph. Sorry part of this is squished together I couldn't get my spacing right.
I'm starting in Day 2 because I read him as town for his N1 posts.
- I said earlier I had the perception that Mac hadn't done much hunting but he did point out specifics about sabie12 being bad. I realize she's on "the other team" but I want to acknowledge that he did that at least.
- There are a sequence of posts during EOD where Mac sounds desperate. He says people should move to another wagon and includes TH in the list and then turns around and tells G-Man that he doesn't suspect TH at all. This post is indicative of the desperate tone I see:
- I don't understand where this Dizzy read comes from:
- I don't understand this post - he pointed out specifics that made sabie bad. She's on Radish's team though so I guess this doesn't really matter.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:54 pm G-Man is outed imo. Dyslexicon looks like a teammate too.
- This was Mac's red list after the lynch. I can see argument for most of these though I'm not reading Dom as scum at the moment and sprityo I'm up in the air about.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:01 pmWhy Sabie?
Michelle (a)
Tranq (a)
Jackofhearts2005 (b)
sabie12 (a/b)
Dom (b)
G-Man (b)
sprityo (b)
- And herein lies the problem ( he did point out right afterwards that now that he has feelers in the game he can start hunting):
- This is more of a Jack thing but I am paying attention Mac:MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:13 pmI mean, I did try for some seconds but you are mostly right.
- Here's some hunting and I think his points were pretty good:MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:41 pmYeah you kept saying this in Inception and you were right and won us the game.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:36 pm I'm not dying as long as people vote for me during the day and I'm not getting lynched as long as I'm me.
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-Somebody else, maybe Epi, brought this up too, I am not sure what you are saying here Mac.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:56 amThis is a bad post regardless of Jack's alignment.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:34 am I have no clue if Jack is town or not. My gut reaction would be town, but I think the only evidence to that end is the WIFOM “oh Jack wouldn’t go after Nutella if he were scum” to which I’ll point out that 1) he might and 2) he backed off.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:31 pmYes because if I was mafia I would not have anti-spewed the fuck out of things when I looked done for all money. Simple, simple sig.
Mac, I don't believe you are comfortable with death at this point. (I do see your explanation later as to why but I still don't believe it. Evidence: World Asunder where you clung to life with your last gasp.)MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:44 pmI mean Sprityo is definitely mafia, so you can go ahead and lynch me and flip that fool afterwards. I am comfortable with death at this point.sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:39 pm Worst case Mac isn't mafia we have one mislynch.
BUT say we don't lynch him and let him keep rolling along, they'll keep killing civs and eventually we won't be able to win at all. This is when we still have a margin of error.
More importantly there are 2 roles Sprityo has at this point. If Mac isn't mafia (Very slim chance) Then Sprityo is one of the last members of Anti-Monitors. Potentially last since I still think it's possible Dizzy was mafia.
- Mac, are you seriously saying your vote was a joke? It didn't sound like a joke.
- This post about sig caught my eye because in it he says Dom is town under a certain set of circumstances. I have avoided the whole Dom vs. Mac thing because there is history there and I can't trust what I read when one talks about the other which in this game has been all bad (to my memory) except for this post. To me this is a good look for Mac both because of the Dom thing and because he is dealing with his thoughts about the facts with sig, not just being snarky about him (I need to read sig which I will do next to get a better feel for whether I buy what Mac's saying).MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:15 amI thought it would be funny but apparently it's just another reason why I'm bad lolJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:03 amOh? Was your Sig vote a joke?MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:31 amI'm sorry I didn't realise the deadline was approaching so fast that there wasn't time for memes.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:12 am And by extension how bad it is that Mac is for realzies voting him?
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I wish I had read through all of this and could say I unequivocally see Mac as scum but I can't say that. I'm not seeing the smoking gun. I will go through the thread though and search for comments about Mac to remind myself the reasons people are so sure he is bad. The best argument for me comes from sig, the whole Saitama theory so maybe my read of sig will help me out. [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] also reminds me about the day 1 turnaround on he and nutella. That bothered me and I posted about it back on Day-something, then I got over it but I can't remember why. I'll revisit the discussion around this.
I'll read sig next after a short break.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:24 pm Always good to remember that there is no such thing as a Mafia circumstance that is worth real human emotion. Sometimes it will naturally come out, but it can be contained if we just remember that this is a game on a message board forum that 99.99% of the population of the Earth has never heard of before. No matter how successful anyone is, it means just about nothing.
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]
Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack you break my heart.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:57 am@S~V~SS~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:08 am Tonight is Super Tuesday, and I am a ludicrous politics junkie, so I will likely be scarce tonight
Come hang out on the discord. We’ve run most of the libertarians off.
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Lol Juliets but have you considered that hunting humans is literally what wolves do?
Gottem.
Gottem.
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If Sig is a wolf, I’ll vote for Tulsi.
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]
Sounds pretty non-subtle as flip-flops go. Do you think scum mac would be subtle or no?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:39 am I 100% disagree about that progression.
Jack was sure Nutella was scum and said so loudly.
Mac said Nutella was town and Jack was scum with basically no explanation.
Then, after nothing changed between Jack and Nutella, Mac adopted the idea that Jack is always right about Nutella and therefore she is bad and if she’s not, whatever. An excuse to pretend that makes Jack scum.
The not tiny part would be an understandable opinion to have if he started with it or he developed it. That didn’t happen. That opinion appears to have spontaneously generated. More likely, Mac saw a way to shade two players who had each accumulated 6ish votes at some point during the day, hoping for a one two lynch and lynch of players not on his team.
It’s worse than no progression. There’s agenda in it.
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:57 amA judgement call based on what? Telepathy?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:52 amIt's a judgment callJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:51 amOkay so what’s the difference between natural progression that isn’t posted to the thread and unnatural progression that just doesn’t exist?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:49 am Civs don't necessarily need to show progression they're allowed to change their mind. That's what makes it look natural.
What are you a robot? Humans have a complicated thoughtlife and not every word makes it onto the written page. You read between the lines.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:58 am It’s not on the thread. You can’t call something that doesn’t exist “a natural progression.”
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It's like you're asking me how do I think like a real human
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]
[mention]Dom[/mention]
I have never, and have never wanted to, personally attack you. Hell, I wanted to be nice to you at the beginning of this game and tried to be friendly, and you interpreted it as malicious. I don't know what to do anymore. I like you as a person and think we should be friends but no matter what I say you interpret it as mean. I think this is an issue on your end that you need to work through. From my perspective it is always you who is the one to make something into a personal affront. I have never meant anything to come across that way, and I don't believe mac has either. It's a game dude. I do in fact believe you have been unfair to mac. Try to keep your accusations motivated by game-based stuff, not purely your emotional reactions, which I think have been overblown.
I have never, and have never wanted to, personally attack you. Hell, I wanted to be nice to you at the beginning of this game and tried to be friendly, and you interpreted it as malicious. I don't know what to do anymore. I like you as a person and think we should be friends but no matter what I say you interpret it as mean. I think this is an issue on your end that you need to work through. From my perspective it is always you who is the one to make something into a personal affront. I have never meant anything to come across that way, and I don't believe mac has either. It's a game dude. I do in fact believe you have been unfair to mac. Try to keep your accusations motivated by game-based stuff, not purely your emotional reactions, which I think have been overblown.
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Haha what? No. Why would you think that?
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]
you got me. Mac is my friend. I surrender.Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:09 am I have outlined a case against Mac that involves his out of no-where Day 2 vote for Radishes when he was NOT in the lead for votes, his lack of ability to converse with those who disagree, and him lashing out and appealing to emotion.
If that makes me a toxic asshole then just admit you like Mac and don't want him to be sad that he's been found out.
No reason that should mean you can't be my friend too. I thought we were on better terms after aussie game and some games where we ended up finally working together as civs. I just find that your style of accusation tends to be unnecessarily harsh and assuming that others are not interacting in good faith.
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