Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[TonyStarkPrime]

This is a fun take. In a world where Mac isn't on the Master team I could entertain a world where Ted is. Also yeah I feel like we haven't heard from him in a while.

I encourage everybody to read in detail those Ted quotes that Mac posted, and tell me if that's not a scum looking for a read on Mac while pushing a g-man scapegoat agenda

Okay I’m getting lost in all of these nets but this definitely doesn’t scan. If Ted is scum, he knows that Mac is not. He doesn’t need to probe Mac to try to find that.

Mr. Stark I know you're a billionaire Playboy genius but there's two mafia teams...

Im referring specifically to Nutella’s first post.

[nutella]

This is a fun take. In a world where Mac isn't on the Master team I could entertain a world where Ted is. Also yeah I feel like we haven't heard from him in a while.

I encourage everybody to read in detail those Ted quotes that Mac posted, and tell me if that's not a scum looking for a read on Mac while pushing a g-man scapegoat agenda

Okay I’m getting lost in all of these nets but this definitely doesn’t scan. If Ted is scum, he knows that Mac is not. He doesn’t need to probe Mac to try to find that.

Okay, any likelihood he's on the radish team then, in which case Mac could still be on the master team?

(Actually asking this, I don't remember anything specific about ted's equity or lack thereof with radish/sabie)

JJJ said no and Sloonei said inconclusive. I tend to lean inconclusive but I haven’t ISOed TexMex.

I feel like you know things. Like from a scum perspective.

[nutella]

Mister Stark, I don't feel so good.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Is it not the case that the entire case against Sig hinges on him swinging at Mac night one and then TMIing?

That's not all of it. His interactive history with Radish and Sabie is nasty.

I didn’t say the words that I meant. If Sig is scum, it is generally agreed that their team targeted Mac night one and he didn’t die, prompting Sig’s attack on Mac which carries in a vacuum?

[TonyStarkPrime]

This is a fun take. In a world where Mac isn't on the Master team I could entertain a world where Ted is. Also yeah I feel like we haven't heard from him in a while.

I encourage everybody to read in detail those Ted quotes that Mac posted, and tell me if that's not a scum looking for a read on Mac while pushing a g-man scapegoat agenda

Okay I’m getting lost in all of these nets but this definitely doesn’t scan. If Ted is scum, he knows that Mac is not. He doesn’t need to probe Mac to try to find that.

Okay, any likelihood he's on the radish team then, in which case Mac could still be on the master team?

(Actually asking this, I don't remember anything specific about ted's equity or lack thereof with radish/sabie)

JJJ said no and Sloonei said inconclusive. I tend to lean inconclusive but I haven’t ISOed TexMex.

I feel like you know things. Like from a scum perspective.

Well if Mac is right then I’d know the answer is no because I’m scum with Sig and Radishes and Sabie

[MacDougall]

Is it not the case that the entire case against Sig hinges on him swinging at Mac night one and then TMIing?

That's not all of it. His interactive history with Radish and Sabie is nasty.

Meh. I have read the evidence and I refuse to admit that I might be wrong.

This is a really strange take for anything other than a mafioso exactly teammates with Radishes and Sabie.

And Sig too? Congrats you caught us?

No. You are acting like someone who absolutely knows that sig isn't on that team. Otherwise you wouldn't be chaining yourself to him like this.

[nutella]

Is it not the case that the entire case against Sig hinges on him swinging at Mac night one and then TMIing?

That's not all of it. His interactive history with Radish and Sabie is nasty.

I didn’t say the words that I meant. If Sig is scum, it is generally agreed that their team targeted Mac night one and he didn’t die, prompting Sig’s attack on Mac which carries in a vacuum?

I'm not sure I follow your wording but are you asking if Sig flips it essentially confirms Mac is scum? I don't think it would 100% without a shadow of a doubt confirm it, but pretty damn close. I think there could still be a world where sig is scum and mac isn't, but it's a pretty low chance.

[Turnip Head]

This is a fun take. In a world where Mac isn't on the Master team I could entertain a world where Ted is. Also yeah I feel like we haven't heard from him in a while.

I encourage everybody to read in detail those Ted quotes that Mac posted, and tell me if that's not a scum looking for a read on Mac while pushing a g-man scapegoat agenda

Okay I’m getting lost in all of these nets but this definitely doesn’t scan. If Ted is scum, he knows that Mac is not. He doesn’t need to probe Mac to try to find that.

Mr. Stark I know you're a billionaire Playboy genius but there's two mafia teams...

Im referring specifically to Nutella’s first post.

Then I'm sorry that you don't comprehend her salient point

[TonyStarkPrime]

Is it not the case that the entire case against Sig hinges on him swinging at Mac night one and then TMIing?

That's not all of it. His interactive history with Radish and Sabie is nasty.

Meh. I have read the evidence and I refuse to admit that I might be wrong.

This is a really strange take for anything other than a mafioso exactly teammates with Radishes and Sabie.

And Sig too? Congrats you caught us?

No. You are acting like someone who absolutely knows that sig isn't on that team. Otherwise you wouldn't be chaining yourself to him like this.

Oh I see

[nutella]

Like, I think if sig is scum then that team definitely targeted mac n1, but there is some minuscule chance that there was another reason mac survived which provoked sig's theory. But very low.

[TonyStarkPrime]

This is a fun take. In a world where Mac isn't on the Master team I could entertain a world where Ted is. Also yeah I feel like we haven't heard from him in a while.

I encourage everybody to read in detail those Ted quotes that Mac posted, and tell me if that's not a scum looking for a read on Mac while pushing a g-man scapegoat agenda

Okay I’m getting lost in all of these nets but this definitely doesn’t scan. If Ted is scum, he knows that Mac is not. He doesn’t need to probe Mac to try to find that.

Mr. Stark I know you're a billionaire Playboy genius but there's two mafia teams...

Im referring specifically to Nutella’s first post.

Then I'm sorry that you don't comprehend her salient point

Maybe then I don’t understand your point. I thought part of your case was that Ted was in some way trying to genuinely read Mac? That he wasn’t sure of his alignment?

[Quin]

Hi guys,

Sorry to not immediately pick up on the stuff that came up earlier today. I've been busy with uni and birthday stuff all day. I'll reach out to anyone I feel I need to, but thanks those who stepped up in my place!!

just a reminder that if you ever feel attacked or uncomfortable in the thread, come rant at me instead of your fellow players. I can take it, promise!

[nutella]

I'm pretty confused lol. Going to bed.

[nutella]

Hi guys,

Sorry to not immediately pick up on the stuff that came up earlier today. I've been busy with uni and birthday stuff all day. I'll reach out to anyone I feel I need to, but thanks those who stepped up in my place!!

just a reminder that if you ever feel attacked or uncomfortable in the thread, come rant at me instead of your fellow players. I can take it, promise!

<3 Sorry to be a dipshit on your birthday

[Turnip Head]

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]
Yes because Ted is bad and unsure if Mac is on the other team, but leaning towards him not being in the other tean

[TonyStarkPrime]

Like, I think if sig is scum then that team definitely targeted mac n1, but there is some minuscule chance that there was another reason mac survived which provoked sig's theory. But very low.

So then why in the name of all holy things would we ever lynch Sig over Mac?

Look, there’s a lot going on here, but I think at least this much is clear.

[Quin]

Hi guys,

Sorry to not immediately pick up on the stuff that came up earlier today. I've been busy with uni and birthday stuff all day. I'll reach out to anyone I feel I need to, but thanks those who stepped up in my place!!

just a reminder that if you ever feel attacked or uncomfortable in the thread, come rant at me instead of your fellow players. I can take it, promise!

<3 Sorry to be a dipshit on your birthday

you're fine, my birthday was yesterday but werr doing stuff today because people were busy

I wouldn't forgive you otherwise

[TonyStarkPrime]

@TonyStarkPrime
Yes because Ted is bad and unsure if Mac is on the other team, but leaning towards him not being in the other tean

But I’m saying that doesn’t make sense - Nutella’s post specifically says that she could see Ted as scum if Mac wasn’t on the Master team. But then Ted would be on the Master team and wouldn’t have to think about Mac being scum because there is almost no chance that Mac is on the AM team.

[Turnip Head]

That's exactly my point

[TonyStarkPrime]

That's exactly my point

No that’s exactly my point

Wait do we agree?

[Turnip Head]

Yes I'm just connecting it a dot further than you

[TonyStarkPrime]

Yes I'm just connecting it a dot further than you

Explain it one more time slowly it is late and I am tired

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Radish/sabie team targeting Mac and Mac not dying doesn’t automatically make Mac scum (actually it makes him 50/50, roughly)

So it’s not quite as clear cut as “kill Mac and we know sig’s alignment.”

[Turnip Head]

Yes I'm just connecting it a dot further than you

Explain it one more time slowly it is late and I am tired

[nutella]

Radish/sabie team targeting Mac and Mac not dying doesn’t automatically make Mac scum (actually it makes him 50/50, roughly)

So it’s not quite as clear cut as “kill Mac and we know sig’s alignment.”

Right, Tony, it's more the opposite, idk how you interpreted my post to the conclusion that we should lynch mac first -- I'm saying sig is more surely scum than mac.

[nutella]

Like, I think if sig is scum then that team definitely targeted mac n1, but there is some minuscule chance that there was another reason mac survived which provoked sig's theory. But very low.

So then why in the name of all holy things would we ever lynch Sig over Mac?

Look, there’s a lot going on here, but I think at least this much is clear.

I think you must be reading something wrong because my post literally implies that mac could still be town if sig is scum, not the other way around. I am more confident that sig is scum.

[nutella]

Unless you're saying we should in fact lynch the one we're less sure of first in order to confirm the other. Idk.

[nutella]

I meant to go to bed but instead I'm panicking because my phone has suffered some kind of fatal bug and is dead forever and I can't deal with this shit in my life right now so I'm awake.

[nutella]

ghostella's phone says rezz please

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Honestly I don’t even super buy the slip business, but....I also don’t mind sig dying today

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Mac’s flip doesn’t really confirm or refute anything on sig either imo. Like even if he flips a role that doesn’t have NK protection the people that think sig slipped are just going to say “oh well Mac just got docced and they thought he was the Master*!”

Imo one of their alignments doesn’t say anything more about the other than most randomly selected pairs.



*i don’t remember if this is the correct role but I’m too lazy to check. You’re all smart enough to know what I’m saying, hopefully.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

That sucks about your phone. Is it a water issue, or just bricked out of nowhere?

[Dom]

"Dom maybe Turnip Head wants to hide his baddie reads to avoid NKs"
Turnip Head:

I encourage everybody to read in detail those Ted quotes that Mac posted, and tell me if that's not a scum looking for a read on Mac while pushing a g-man scapegoat agenda

Just admit he's totally ignoring me for... no value.... there is no civ motivation for this.

Though, I agree that ted is yucky and have said so for... all the game.

Yes I'm just connecting it a dot further than you

Explain it one more time slowly it is late and I am tired

As a math teacher you would not catch me dead telling a student to "cross multiply" because that is MEANINGLESS DRIVEL !!!

[S~V~S]

It seems I am very rusty,looking at my earlier GTH list, after reading last nights conversation, it sucks lolol.

I will redo one tonight, maybe doing in thread GTH reads might be a good exercise if lots of us are here?

[mention]G-Man[/mention] what are your thoughts on sig and Mac, and TSP and ted if you have caught up to last nights discussion?

[tedxtr]

I have some spare PC time, what’d i miss

[tedxtr]

I’ll eat something, i’ll be here for autographs and interviews in 30 mins or so

[juliets]

I've looked over Dizzy's accusation of sig and sig's general responses. Thoughts:

~ I do think there is contextual space to say it's not a "slip" -- when sig referred to Mac in his response to S~V~S, it was an extension of the theory he had previously presented. This may be semantic depending upon what we define a slip to be -- maybe TMI is the better term.

I don't know if I can express my thought without getting convoluted but here goes. I see where you are saying sig referenced Mac being the target of the night kill prior but this example doesn't explain his comment to S~V~S. In that comment he spoke from the pov of someone who knew Mac was targeted with the kill because he did not entertain the thought that someone else besides Mac could have been targeted and saved or someone else might be the civ role. Instead, he talked about Mac being protected or Mac being the civ. I'm not saying it wasn't an extension of the theory he had but it was an extension that named Mac as the only possible target. If you want to call that TMI as opposed to a slip that's fine with me. Anyway, my point here was I don't think his prior mention helps him. If you think I have this wrong please let me know.

[juliets]

What if Dizzy's ghost was possessed by someone else tho

TH could you explain what you mean? I didn't see a mechanic like this in the OP.

The way I am reading it is that TSP is attempting to use some sort of probability to justify his vote as opposed to actually taking personal accountability for a read, which is a scum mentality generally.

I’ll take personal accountability into account: I think Sig is town. I’m indifferent on you. I’m voting for you.

Tony, how do you read his take on Mac being the one who was targeted that Dizzy brought up? I'm actively looking for someone to refute the logic that Dizzy put out there but until that happens I see sig as bad.

Anybody got thoughts about ted?

I'm used to him being more involved than he is in this game but I haven't seen anything that said "bad ted". Though I've never seen bad ted so take that for what it's worth. I'll read his posts if I have time today (working all day). Also, don't know why he's still voting G-Man.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I've looked over Dizzy's accusation of sig and sig's general responses. Thoughts:

~ I do think there is contextual space to say it's not a "slip" -- when sig referred to Mac in his response to S~V~S, it was an extension of the theory he had previously presented. This may be semantic depending upon what we define a slip to be -- maybe TMI is the better term.

I don't know if I can express my thought without getting convoluted but here goes. I see where you are saying sig referenced Mac being the target of the night kill prior but this example doesn't explain his comment to S~V~S. In that comment he spoke from the pov of someone who knew Mac was targeted with the kill because he did not entertain the thought that someone else besides Mac could have been targeted and saved or someone else might be the civ role. Instead, he talked about Mac being protected or Mac being the civ. I'm not saying it wasn't an extension of the theory he had but it was an extension that named Mac as the only possible target. If you want to call that TMI as opposed to a slip that's fine with me. Anyway, my point here was I don't think his prior mention helps him. If you think I have this wrong please let me know.

To play devil’s advocate: he also spent most of D1 making associative reads off the assumption I was scum. So. This might just be how sig is?

[juliets]

I've looked over Dizzy's accusation of sig and sig's general responses. Thoughts:

~ I do think there is contextual space to say it's not a "slip" -- when sig referred to Mac in his response to S~V~S, it was an extension of the theory he had previously presented. This may be semantic depending upon what we define a slip to be -- maybe TMI is the better term.

I don't know if I can express my thought without getting convoluted but here goes. I see where you are saying sig referenced Mac being the target of the night kill prior but this example doesn't explain his comment to S~V~S. In that comment he spoke from the pov of someone who knew Mac was targeted with the kill because he did not entertain the thought that someone else besides Mac could have been targeted and saved or someone else might be the civ role. Instead, he talked about Mac being protected or Mac being the civ. I'm not saying it wasn't an extension of the theory he had but it was an extension that named Mac as the only possible target. If you want to call that TMI as opposed to a slip that's fine with me. Anyway, my point here was I don't think his prior mention helps him. If you think I have this wrong please let me know.

To play devil’s advocate: he also spent most of D1 making associative reads off the assumption I was scum. So. This might just be how sig is?

He did do that I agree. I'll think about this Nanook I appreciate the response. It seemed so much like a slam dunk to me when I read the theory so I want to make sure I haven't been hasty.

[juliets]

I could have sworn I posted about nutella's assessment of Michelle but I don't see it. So anyway, I agree with her assessment. I'm used to seeing much more from town Michelle, a lot of frequent poking and prodding. She is not showing that behavior in this game so far that I've seen.

[S~V~S]

What if Dizzy's ghost was possessed by someone else tho

What Dizzy did was put together information that was available in the thread and put it together in a way that made sense. Dizzy did not info dump new information or tell us a tale using secret dead guy knowledge.

Plus as Jules says, there is no role for it. True there are secrets, but possessing a ghost to tell people info that is already in the thread to get sig lynched, well, they could just do that themselves. If Dizzy tried to push knowledge from the grave, I could totally be on board with this "possession" bit, but Dizzy did not do this.

A reread of you is part of my push to reassess my reads, and this post literally made my left eyebrow try to shoot into my hairline, lol. I might make a detour into Doms tunnel

[juliets]

I'm off to work. I'll be back sometime between 2:00 and 4:30 this afternoon.

[tedxtr]

After endless debates I have concluded that Dys' slip analysis isn't an actual thing. Also their G-Man read makes little to no sense, although I'd like them to elaborate on how G-man treating their slot was townie. Also, G-man didn't engage with you at all dizzy, he just said "night phase went well except for dys dying" and that's it. [mention]Dyslexicon[/mention]

People that are claiming sig has to be scum and aren't questioning why he couldn't have just TMI as a town role (which is the only thing dys' case can be even pointed to, but I don't think that's even a viable probability) is weird. Juliets' vote stuck out like a sore thumb. She went hard on him for no reason, just based off this nonsensical case, and her calling sig desperate so early feels really fake. Moreso, claiming she read his ISO but holding him accountable ONLY for this slip thing is wolfy.

Sig's basically saying that a protective role WOULDN'T have targeted mac and thus, he would have other tools at his disposal to survive the night. scummy ones.

Also also, the "what is ted doing on g-man" when I haven't posted in like 24 hours or something is really bad. Especially when I don't remember juliets even saying anything about G-man, so why even say that?

I can follow sig's train of thought actually.

I'll probably look at TH's push on me at some point but it isn't on my priority list.

[tedxtr]

there's so many places where sig could've gotten the information on Mac being scum if you even want to make it about that. btsc, him being lassie, tracker / watcher.

From what I understood, his suspicion came from a place of him believing mac targeted him along with sprit's sudden push on him, which he called sprit scum for, which I can follow through. Sprit's vote and push is completely nonsensical unless he has TMI and I don't see anything scummy about connecting the dots that way?

[Dom]

I’ll eat something, i’ll be here for autographs and interviews in 30 mins or so

Ted seems to know he was a topic of discussion before he catches up.

[tedxtr]

juliets, why does my vote stand out to you from the other 5 people off the sig v mac thunderdome? especially when you have no read on g-man.

[tedxtr]

I’ll eat something, i’ll be here for autographs and interviews in 30 mins or so

Ted seems to know he was a topic of discussion before he catches up.

ah no i just saw th saying i'm scum with tsp on this page

[Dom]

What if Dizzy's ghost was possessed by someone else tho

What Dizzy did was put together information that was available in the thread and put it together in a way that made sense. Dizzy did not info dump new information or tell us a tale using secret dead guy knowledge.

Plus as Jules says, there is no role for it. True there are secrets, but possessing a ghost to tell people info that is already in the thread to get sig lynched, well, they could just do that themselves. If Dizzy tried to push knowledge from the grave, I could totally be on board with this "possession" bit, but Dizzy did not do this.

A reread of you is part of my push to reassess my reads, and this post literally made my left eyebrow try to shoot into my hairline, lol. I might make a detour into Doms tunnel

Yes.
He's speculating that LC/BR put a mechanic where someone else logged into Dys' account? I suppose it could have been written by someone else and then posted, transmitted via PM, but still...

fishy.

[Dom]

I’ll eat something, i’ll be here for autographs and interviews in 30 mins or so

Ted seems to know he was a topic of discussion before he catches up.

ah no i just saw th saying i'm scum with tsp on this page

The top?
It seems to be the 15th post on the page.