Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[Epignosis]

Link?

[Dom]

Nevermind, I an idiot.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I think sprityo is a good choice. I dislike the role hinting, though I’m clearly bad at reading into roles here.

If I had to tinfoil where scum are, I’d say AM is probably someone here that wasn’t suspected much coming into the day, or on the middle level. Assuming that the AM team controlled distribution at least. I’m too lazy/tired to try and figure out who fits that the best, but I think Epi and sprit both fit the mold. Maybe TH or jack but I don’t really wanna kill jack tbh.

[Dom]

I feel like I missed somethign here.

Epignosis-- wanna talk to me about nanook? Would you be intrested in th?
sprit is good too, i guess.

[Epignosis]

I feel like I missed somethign here.

Epignosis-- wanna talk to me about nanook? Would you be intrested in th?
sprit is good too, i guess.

I don't find Turnip Head bad. There's nothing concrete, I'll admit, but TH feels honest. That's all. It's shit, but it's shit I've got.

[Epignosis]

I'm around the next hour and that's it. I'm going to bed after that. Talk to me now if you want to.

[Dom]

I'm around.

Do do you think sprityo is bad?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So the issue is that if AM team has control of division, neither of them will be in this level, and Master team will be randomly distributed. If they don’t then I’d assume one in this level, but sig in the bottom suggests they do cause it makes sense to stall being able to kill him for as long as possible. So this level should be about finding Mac’s teammates and hoping there’s enough here.

I probably should’ve realized this a lot fucking sooner but I haven’t really had much time. Will try to do better next game day, can’t make promises though cause I’ll be traveling

[Dom]

We don't even know if this will continue for the next game day.

If that's true, Nanook, then that's a huge, huge power that needs major balancing.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’s likely balanced by being short term, I’d guess. Or maybe it hits at a predetermined night. Idk, I’m just speculating—I wouldn’t bank on it, but I enjoy setup spec so I’m doing it anyways

[Long Con]

Nightmare

Tossed into the universe of Inception Mafia, and scattered throughout the dream world, the heroes fought bravely to reconnect, and once again awaken. The Architect laughed as he shifted them from one level to the next, using his power to keep them all wondering what was real. King Dedede alone stood against The Architect, clutching the Star Rod tightly as he fought to wrest control of the realm from the evil servant of the Anti-Monitor.

Clutching it tightly in both fists, Dedede shouted, "This is for Dreamland, you son of a bitch! This is for KIRBY!" A bright golden beam of glowing stars blasted forth from the Rod, striking The Architect in the chest and knocking him hard to his back. The heroes were released from the dream flux, and appeared together, behind King Dedede, who stood tall.

Glaring grimly at Dedede, The Architect used the back of a hand to wipe a trickle of blood from the corner of his mouth, and said, "Fine. If that's the way you want it." He snapped his fingers and vanished suddenly, soundlessly.

The heroes could feel the air around them change, now filled with tension and foreboding. "S-something bad is going to happen," whispered Harriet. "I'm scared!"

A low growl from the centre of their group caused each of the heroes to take a step back. To their horror, Lassie was beginning to snarl and snap, her pleasant collie frame bloating and swelling with thick, dark muscles, and her eyes flaring red with angry fire.

Lassie leapt upon Abed, gnashing her teeth and trying to tear his throat out. The Awards Presenter tackled the nightmare dog, trying to hold her down while she thrashed and clawed.

"Do something!" shouted Aja. "Stop her, get her under-"

<<BLAM!>>

Bill Rawls stood above her, his pistol still smoking, his eyes red and rimmed with tears.

sprityo has been lynched! He was Lassie, a Civilian, from Cats and Dogs Mafia, by Dragon D Luffy.

Night 4 has begun. Right now I'm out of town on my phone, but I would like to see everyone back in the main thread, back to normal. I'll get things tightened up tomorrow morning when I get home.

[Turnip Head]

Welp

[tedxtr]

All of a sudden sprit’s shit town read on me makes a lot more sense now...

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Gonna treat ted as cleared

No-claim rules remain stupid af

[Turnip Head]

All of a sudden sprit’s shit town read on me makes a lot more sense now...

Bari Artzain - You appear town to alignment checks. *secrets*

Gotcha bitch

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jesus Christ and he basically claimed a completely different role.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m not even surprised he flipped town I just didn’t think it was fair to townread him off what now appears to be a fake info dump.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I guess we have green peeks on me and Ted. Can probably hunt down the other two pretty easy and assume no red peeks on living players (maybe had one on Mac) or he’d have played way different.

[tedxtr]

All of a sudden sprit’s shit town read on me makes a lot more sense now...

Bari Artzain - You appear town to alignment checks. *secrets*

Gotcha bitch

[Turnip Head]

Jesus Christ and he basically claimed a completely different role.

He hinted at the most important town role, i.e. Lassie...

[Turnip Head]

I’m not even surprised he flipped town I just didn’t think it was fair to townread him off what now appears to be a fake info dump.

But you townread him before that, and then suddenly you didn't. Something's up with you jackaroo

[Turnip Head]

All of a sudden sprit’s shit town read on me makes a lot more sense now...

Bari Artzain - You appear town to alignment checks. *secrets*

Gotcha bitch

*record scratch*

Hi, that's me, turnip head. You're probably wondering how I got here.

*roll footage of all my mafia friends dying and flipping scum*

Summer break was about to start, and my world was full of possibilities

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m not even surprised he flipped town I just didn’t think it was fair to townread him off what now appears to be a fake info dump.

But you townread him before that, and then suddenly you didn't. Something's up with you jackaroo

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jesus Christ and he basically claimed a completely different role.

He hinted at the most important town role, i.e. Lassie...

I thought he was hinting something completely different. I can't say more than that.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like I isoed him and became convinced he was the Antimonitor. He claimed. I misunderstood it. I townread him based on that claim. I didn't think it was fair to allow an infodump to change my reads since without that post, I would still have thought he was the Antimonitor. So I left my vote as is, knowing he'd probably get lynched and probably flip town.

If you have a problem with that play, sorry not sorry.

If you think that play makes me scum because I townread him before, too, then you either missed a bunch of my posts or you're lying.

[Turnip Head]

Like I isoed him and became convinced he was the Antimonitor. He claimed. I misunderstood it. I townread him based on that claim. I didn't think it was fair to allow an infodump to change my reads since without that post, I would still have thought he was the Antimonitor. So I left my vote as is, knowing he'd probably get lynched and probably flip town.

If you have a problem with that play, sorry not sorry.

If you think that play makes me scum because I townread him before, too, then you either missed a bunch of my posts or you're lying.

Hey man it's definitely not your fault that sprityo's psyche shattered like a glass cannon. Sucks that we lost a good role but it's hard to blame anyone but sprit for his play

[Dom]

Lynch Turnip Head, Sig, Ted !

Also Colin! IDK Y'all bad.

[Dom]

Also I was right about Mac from Day 1 and he threw a tantrum to try and piss me off. It worked, I was mad, but he also got lynched so whatever.
Who fed into that?

[Long Con]

I meant to have everyone back in the main thread after the lynch, but I didn't actually tell the Powers-That-Be about it, so we'll get that fixed up ASAP and you can continue your game as normal.

For tonight, a different kind of poll will be posted shortly.

[Sloonei]

we're back

why was sprityo lynched?

[Turnip Head]

we're back

why was sprityo lynched?

He got the most votes

Also we considered him a candidate for the anti-monitor and at that point he kind of gave up

[Jackofhearts2005]

Lynch Turnip Head, Sig, Ted !

Also Colin! IDK Y'all bad.

I’m sorry, Dom. I believe you’re line was

[Sloonei]

we're back

why was sprityo lynched?

He got the most votes

Also we considered him a candidate for the anti-monitor and at that point he kind of gave up

why was he considered an anti-monitor suspect?

[tedxtr]

i think the actual order is lynch sig and then we see

[Sloonei]

Michelle got the most votes in our thread, but apparently only the player with the most votes across the threads got lynched.

I had a tinfoil theory about her being the anti-monitor based on events in our lower-level thread, but our votes didn't end up meaning anything.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Michelle got the most votes in our thread, but apparently only the player with the most votes across the threads got lynched.

I had a tinfoil theory about her being the anti-monitor based on events in our lower-level thread, but our votes didn't end up meaning anything.

Insanity.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Right now I’m like Jay+Juliets or Sloonei+TH.

Or maybe two of one and one of the other.

[juliets]

I'm going to read back in the thread for a little bit just to get a better feel for the lynch.

[tedxtr]

Right now I’m like Jay+Juliets or Sloonei+TH.

Or maybe two of one and one of the other.

The first pairing might be spot on

[Sloonei]

My theory was that the Inception mechanic was triggered by sig. He's a role from Inception/Inception mafia with *secrets* and he was going to get lynched today, so he had nothing to lose.

My tinfoil about michelle was that she came into our small thread having already collected a bunch of posts from speedchuck to cast suspicion against. If sig triggered the thread-split, his teammate would have been aware it was going to happen and could have taken time to prepare a case against a vulnerable player who they knew would be in their reduced pool of players.

There's a lot of Ifs in there, so it's not something that would determine my vote under ordinary circumstances, but this phase was not ordinary circumstances.

[tedxtr]

expect huge activity drop until thursday unless schools are gonna be closed because of corona

[Sloonei]

I started to ISO Mac during the night before I lost access to this thread. I already posted this in the other thread, but I'll share it here as well. I get around to finishing it at some point:

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I guess I'll start looking at Mac now. This will probably get split up into multiple posts because Mac's ISO is long and I don't want this to take my entire evening. Ghost protocol relieves the pressure of nighttime hunting.

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This is two posts from SVS now that have felt like they could be written by a scum. Not that they are, just that they could be.

Had the same thought

First post of note has him endorsing Radish's early SVS ping. How cute. SVS is the noteworthy name here, of course. This post alone tells me nothing, but the development of this read may.

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Like am I crazy here or is this a potential slip.

MacDougall
Epignosis

Cliffs plz

Sig calls on Mac (and Epi) to comment on baddie-gate. Mac and sig are not partners and if I'm wrong about that I will eat every shoe I own.

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"Epi, why?"

Okay, serious attempt at self-analysis and then I'm going to bed. (GMT, fyi.)

I've definitely evolved my style over the years, and activity/engagement will vary game to game, but generally as town I rely on analysing votes and wagons (and therefore hate D1/spend it town-clearing more so than anything). I like to re-read the flow of the thread at certain points (e.g. as wagons form/EoDs) rather than ISO individual players, though of course I do that too sometimes. It's time-consuming, though, so when I'm busy (as I am these days) I will rely more on waiting for posts to ping me and then hounding that player.

As scum I'm not afraid to bus to keep up any town cred I've gained, but otherwise try to keep my game simple and sneak into a towncore by trying to play to my town meta. If I don't succeed in that, I'm a fairly useless scummate and quite easy to find. But if I do succeed I'm pretty decent at deepwolfing, I like to think.

As indy I just make it up as I go, as Jay and Sloonei can confirm.

Galaxy brain. You are both scum.

Posts like this are a big part of the reason why I struggle to read Mac historically. So much of his content is indiscriminate jabs like this one, directed at Epi/Radishes. It is difficult to judge the sincerity or the direction of posts like this, especially when they come in high volume. We know that Radishes was bad, but not with Mac. He seems to be accusing Epi of bussing his partner on Day 1.

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Really though Mac, I draw zero inspiration from calling you an orange boy given that you've done nothing. Show me that I don't have to default.

In due time you sexy voiced man. If you can help me by giving me an outline of your current thoughts that might give me something to chew on. I am a very busy boy sadly so I'm probably gonna be less dog with a bone than most are acquainted with.

A fairly subdued response to a generic Day 1 Jay prod. I really don't know how to read Mac. Is this him trying to appease a Big Scary Civilian, or is this a subtle distancing act between two seasoned partners? I'll lean toward the former simply because I'm inclined to read Jay favorable outside of this.

Pointless banter in response to Epi. Okay

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Specifically, Nutella is showing waffles, wim and opportunism.

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 just invaded Poland

Mac appears to begin the Jack/nutella hoopla with an unfavorable view of Mr. Ofhearts2005 (I think? He's comparing him to hitler and that's usually bad, right?). That would eventually change. At the outset I'll say that my recollection of this episode suggests that these two are not teammates. I'll see if I still feel that way at the end.

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Also, if my read changes, I’ll pretend I was just trying to provoke a reaction all along.

But I really do think she’s a baddie.

I do think this man is lying

A less ambiguous anti-Jack stance. He then makes a couple pro-nutella1.0 posts and a few more anti-Jack posts. Skipping those. This whole thing again demonstrates mac's propensity for indiscriminate jabs. Here's another one directed at Dom.

Btw Jack is always right about Nutella. It's canon. So either he's town and she's wolf or he's wolf and she's wolf, or he's wolf and she's town. But one of them is always a wolf so we should lynch Nutella.

Mac "Do a 180" Dougall is now anti-nutella and tentatively pro-jack. This post establishes a sharp dichotomy between the two which seems unnecessary if Jack is Mac's partner and they're unsure of nutella's alignment. This is compounded by Mac's earlier treatment of Jack, which looked like an earnest attempt to shade/suspect him. Good look for Jack.

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Also Mac and epi if you read like two more posts youd see radishes realized his mistake and switched to Jay lol.

Under duress when immediately forced to observe it and then lolkekked his vote to a wagon that has 0% chance of ever forming.

Nutella
Jay
Radishes

Teammates.

Hurls out the suggestion that nutella1.0, Jay, and Radishes constitute 3/4 of a team. This may have been an earnest read. Jay is the only member of this list still occupying the same living body and this doesn't tell me enough about him/Mac to make a judgment call.

However, the above post does call to mind a big point that I had initially dismissed as not serious enough to merit attention: the direct copy&pasting of Jay's Day 1 reads list has been a running joke in this game. This began with Mac doing it shortly after Jay posted the initial, authentic list. It looked like a playfully antagonistic move on Mac's part (the epitome of the emoji) and Jay's response was appreciative of the humor. It looks like a casual and spontaneous interaction between two players with a long history together, but I don't get the sense that any part of it was staged or stiff in the way that two teammates might be at this stage in a game. Good look for Jay.

Sign up for my joke analysis workshop if you found the above paragraph as riveting as I did.

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I was toying with voting mac right before he appeared, now if I do so it'll look like omgus lmao.

Mac do better pls.

Would a civilian nutella care how it looks?

JUICY STUFF

Throws some... juice-fire? on Epi's prod of nutella1.0. Okay. This is twice that Epi has been incidentally present in Mac's posts. The first time Mac was linking Epi to Radishes. This time he's supporting a prod. I get nothing out of either instance.

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MacDougall, if jack came in here right now and said loljknvm nutella is town, would you keep your vote on me? Why or why not?

I probably would take my vote off you because I very much trust his judgement when it comes to you because you have literally told me he's always right about you.

But your reaction to this whole thing has been pretty histrionic too which I associate with scum you.

Jack is largely responsible for Mac's vote on nutella1.0. This suggests to me that Mac bought Jack's case at the time. It's possible that they're teammates. It's possible they're not. I still lean in jack's favor based on the genesis of this read.

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The amount of vanilla lovers is concerning. Scum hides there mark my words.

Glad to play with everyone btw <3

Sould reading in page 1Tedex villager. Liked Nut - not a surprise ^^
Still reading to catch up. Work may stop this process

I'm glad you're town, Michelle.

Is this legit?

It's correct. Source: am better at reading Michelle than jack is at reading me.

Is posting excerpts from the Aussie game scum chat bad faith here? Because you are absolutely lying and I am nearing 100% confirmation you are wolf because of it.

Mac assumes some responsibility for this nutella vote. Okay.

juliets and jack are not teammates per Mac. Okay. This does not constitute a read of either of them in terms of alignment, but it exists.

Another Dom jab. Okay.

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Turnip Head can you extrapolate on your Dom/Nutella worldview please?

Calls on Turnip Head to instruct the thread on a "Dom/Nutella worldview." Context would indicate that TH was jointly suspicious of those two at the time and Mac wanted to lend support to that. Confirmed. Good look for Dom, in that I don't think Macdougall would go to this length to call on another player to shade his own partner. Null look for TH. I could say that this prod might be unnecessary if they share BTSC but I'm not really inspired by that.

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Wait Mac i might be remembering it wrong. But I hold that my ability to read Michelle stands. Regardless of the specific tell thing I have referenced, she is obvious lol.

To quoth the nutella:
"Is your bike broken? 'Cause you seem to be back peddlin' awfully fast"

(Nutella, 201?, The Piano, Unknown Game)

Dom is absolutely a wolf btw.

come the fuck on



[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

I tried to fix the quote tags on this.

There was a recent game that I snap read you scum in that I was right but I could never really put into words a salient reason for it. I am having a similar experience.

Almost elucidates on the Dom suspicion, but this is so weak that I struggle to believe it. In struggling to believe it, I have to question whether that is because Mac and Dom are partners and this case is bullshit distancing. I recall an emotional slant to Mac and Dom's exchanges which would suggest otherwise, but I won't rule it out just yet. -1 point for Dom after having received a +1 before.
Dom exchange continues and I still feel the same way: there's nothing in here so far that can't be done by teammates distancing from one another, but I don't have to read it that way.

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@Michelle and @Dom probably should have the same read as me on this.

to search this "this" at 4 am is not actually possible, can you quote it please?

You played scum with Nutella when Jack nailed her out of the box on day 1 in the Aussie game. It should mean something to you because you know how she feels about it. Does what you know line up with how she is dealing with him here to you? Looking at before I called her out on it specifically.

Mac calls on Michelle (along with Dom) to support his read on nutella. Michelle ain't got no clue what he's talking about and Mac spells it out for her. This feels like a genuine miscommunication that might not exist if they're teammates who can coordinate a move like this, but I may be overestimating the coordination between this hypothetical pairing. My inclination is to lean in favor of Michelle here.

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I'm going to look at Master Radish next and then nutella.

Any reason for the order here considering Nutella is present and Radishes is not?

A generic prod for juliets. Okay.


More empty Dom stuff

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I also don't get Jack's so sure read on you. Is that normal for Jack, anyone? I seem to remember a more tempered town!Jack.

In my single game (Inception, a few months ago) Jack looked like he was trying to play like he is now, but without being too noticeable. He was scum in that game, so in retrospect I feel like he was trying to imitate his town game as he perceives it.

This makes me hesitate to vote Jack right now, as much as his overall play has been a bit questionable.

I find that town Jack is more unsure in late game in confident end game and scum Jack is the other way around.

Hahahaha you are bad again. Fuck I own your soul.

A wild and baseless accusation hurled at Tony. Okay.

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Mac, I once again am asking you to clarify why you wanted someone you claim is baddie (me) to corroborate a piece of evidence for you.

Because there are two scum teams

If Dom and Mac partners they really leaned into the distancing dance. Not impossible, but not a convincing argument on its own either.

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I don't know why I feel resistance to read S-V-S as town. Cause she probably very well could be.

Good read

What? This is a terrible read. What does it even mean?

I can't tell if this post is directed more at Dizzy or Ted. Both, I guess. Mac denounces the read on SVS while at the same time expressing confusion about it. This feels like shade if we assume Dizzy was town. I'd be hesitant to lump ted into that shade as well, but mac may have been going for a "two birds with one stone" accusation here, which might be a good look for Ted. SVS is the third name that's present in all of this. It could be read as an indirect defense of her. Idk. I'm reminded again how terrible I am at reading Mac and I'm kinda clutching to Dizzy's alignment for direction here. Slightly pro Ted, slighty anti SVS for the sake of giving a read.

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I see Juliets asked me a thing. I don't know why it's weird tbh. Jack was (is) scummy but in multiball scum are scum hunting so his read is still worth taking stock. Like why would I ignore his read in that context because of an earlier ping? It's day 1 who cares. It's about throwing shit at a wall.

I won't catch up til tomorrow so if there's anything else tag me.

Linki: Oh. What's all this then.

Mac responds to a question from juliets. Idk what that question was. I recall Jay's point about juliets, which I am inclined to agree with (the sheer volume of content she devoted to Mac is unnecessary if they're partners). I probably shouldn't let his results influence mine, but that's the first thing on my mind when I look at this post. And anyway, the way Mac is responding to the unspecified question here looks like he's genuinely trying to articulate his thoughts in a way that matters to him, as though he doesn't want to say the wrong thing in response to juliets. So I'll call that a good look for her all on my own. Yeah, independent research.

[juliets]

Right now I’m like Jay+Juliets or Sloonei+TH.

Or maybe two of one and one of the other.

Are you saying you think I am scum? What changed?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’d be pretty surprised if juliets was scum tbh

[juliets]

I like the reasoning in this post.

Okay but real talk the anti-monitor doesn't just throw in the towel here even if he's the last member of his team. He's got NK protection and a vote handicap. So... Sprityo is probably not that role because why just give up here

[juliets]

I haven't read back far enough to know what role sprityo hinted at. Can someone just tell me?

[tedxtr]

I haven't read back far enough to know what role sprityo hinted at. Can someone just tell me?

he hinted at "the most important role"

which turned out to be lassie

[juliets]

I haven't read back far enough to know what role sprityo hinted at. Can someone just tell me?

he hinted at "the most important role"

which turned out to be lassie

Ok thanks. I got the impression from some of my read-back that people thought he hinted at something else.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Right now I’m like Jay+Juliets or Sloonei+TH.

Or maybe two of one and one of the other.

Are you saying you think I am scum? What changed?

Jay's analysis has come up with conclusions I disagree with and he's generally been nonimpactful.

You've also been nonimpactful. Like half your recent posts are like "I'm gonna go eat." "I'm going to the gym."

Neither of you voted for Mac and Jay has defended you.

Same story for Sloonei and TH but with TH being more overt in his defense of Mac and the pair of them being less unlike their normal selves than you and Jay.

[juliets]

Right now I’m like Jay+Juliets or Sloonei+TH.

Or maybe two of one and one of the other.

Are you saying you think I am scum? What changed?

Jay's analysis has come up with conclusions I disagree with and he's generally been nonimpactful.

You've also been nonimpactful. Like half your recent posts are like "I'm gonna go eat." "I'm going to the gym."

Neither of you voted for Mac and Jay has defended you.

Same story for Sloonei and TH but with TH being more overt in his defense of Mac and the pair of them being less unlike their normal selves than you and Jay.

Ok. I'll look at what parts of Jay's analysis you disagree with. Also, I wasn't impactful in Inception until toward the end when I caught Long Con and Mac. Sometimes thats just the way it plays out.

Just so you know, I make those posts about going to the gym or eating so when I come back I can go to my ISO's last post and pick up where I left off. I haven't found another way to do that. Also to let people know I'm not around even though my name is probably still showing because I leave tabs open with in process work.