Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[Dom]

People who say the names of logical fallacies to no end tend to be bad.

[sig]

Also major lack of foresight that nobody has asked what happened in my thread or the ones that were their explained it yet. I dropped mad hints

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The dead players are town, such a bold take

Also didn’t nutella replace drago?

And sprityo is dead and still light green


Wtf is this list jay

Obvious sig vote is obvious

I likely won’t be talking much during this day, due to a combination of being extremely busy getting ready for a trip on Wednesday and a firm belief that talking more only helps the scum team when the TK is decided.

Anyone that tries to kill non-sig today and isn’t on his team is playing disgustingly bad, fwiw

Also if he actually can’t be TKed today and claimed it then he should straight up be modkilled. And if he isn’t immune to TK today, then he should always be TKed.

Today is not hard.

Nanook's last six posts amount to a failure to get a joke and then three consecutive useless Captain Obvious comments. They elapse about 24 hours. Dude is doing nothing, and that's not just limited to today.

That is demonstrably not true. I didn’t do much yesterday due to time constraints, and I’m actively not doing much today for reasons I’ve already discussed. However, I have done a lot before that. I’ve put a good deal of time and energy into this game, so you can fuck off with your effort shaming bullshit just cause I don’t play the same verbose style you do.

[sig]

People who say the names of logical fallacies to no end tend to be bad.

Your bad not me.

[sig]

Dom may be mafia to

yeah i'm on mac's team.

Maybe your on my team.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That is demonstrably not true. I didn’t do much yesterday due to time constraints, and I’m actively not doing much today for reasons I’ve already discussed. However, I have done a lot before that. I’ve put a good deal of time and energy into this game, so you can fuck off with your effort shaming bullshit just cause I don’t play the same verbose style you do.

I'm not interested in your guilt trip.

[Dom]

People who say the names of logical fallacies to no end tend to be bad.

Your bad not me.

I'm not talking about you lol

Dom may be mafia to

yeah i'm on mac's team.

Maybe your on my team.

the incorrect "you're" is killing me.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

That is demonstrably not true. I didn’t do much yesterday due to time constraints, and I’m actively not doing much today for reasons I’ve already discussed. However, I have done a lot before that. I’ve put a good deal of time and energy into this game, so you can fuck off with your effort shaming bullshit just cause I don’t play the same verbose style you do.

I'm not interested in your guilt trip.

And I’m not interested in your “I say more than almost everyone so I get to pretend I’m working harder or care more about the game than them” bullshit

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That is demonstrably not true. I didn’t do much yesterday due to time constraints, and I’m actively not doing much today for reasons I’ve already discussed. However, I have done a lot before that. I’ve put a good deal of time and energy into this game, so you can fuck off with your effort shaming bullshit just cause I don’t play the same verbose style you do.

I'm not interested in your guilt trip.

And I’m not interested in your “I say more than almost everyone so I get to pretend I’m working harder or care more about the game than them” bullshit

I didn't say anything about any of that. You've just invented it. I am assessing your posts for what I see in them. Many many many people play in a less verbose manner than I do.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’s been implicit in several of your pushes and defenses of people through the course of the game.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Tbh I don’t feel that you’ve made a genuine assessment of me since D2, and I certainly don’t think you’ve done any more to drive this game than I have, so this holier than thou “nanook has nothing worthwhile to say and never has” garbage is pretty irritating

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Tbh I don’t feel that you’ve made a genuine assessment of me since D2, and I certainly don’t think you’ve done any more to drive this game than I have, so this holier than thou “nanook has nothing worthwhile to say and never has” garbage is pretty irritating

You keep turning this into a comparison. Let me be clear:

I do not give a damn about my own posts. They may well be worthless. That's for everyone else to determine. I am not assessing my own posts. I know my own role card. I am assessing your posts, in isolation, and making a judgment.

Has someone today outed themselves by way of lynching not-sig?

[Dom]

why is tony voting for nanook?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It’s been implicit in several of your pushes and defenses of people through the course of the game.

Sometimes people see implicit insults when they don't exist. I have no issue with people who play differently than I do. Sometimes I play differently than I do. This isn't a stylistic observation.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’ll let you know when the day is over and the poll is final

[Long Con]

Announcement: We're cancelling Ghosts. It's an idea that has changed drastically from its first conception, and we believe it is having a negative effect on the game.

Pariah's ghost gets to stay.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Bummer! The ghosts are neat. I respect your decisions nonetheless hosts.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have determined by way of assessing juliets bullshitters that tedxtr is bad.

[speedchuck]

I have determined by way of assessing juliets bullshitters that tedxtr is bad.

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

After endless debates I have concluded that Dys' slip analysis isn't an actual thing. Also their G-Man read makes little to no sense, although I'd like them to elaborate on how G-man treating their slot was townie. Also, G-man didn't engage with you at all dizzy, he just said "night phase went well except for dys dying" and that's it. Dyslexicon

People that are claiming sig has to be scum and aren't questioning why he couldn't have just TMI as a town role (which is the only thing dys' case can be even pointed to, but I don't think that's even a viable probability) is weird. Juliets' vote stuck out like a sore thumb. She went hard on him for no reason, just based off this nonsensical case, and her calling sig desperate so early feels really fake. Moreso, claiming she read his ISO but holding him accountable ONLY for this slip thing is wolfy.

Sig's basically saying that a protective role WOULDN'T have targeted mac and thus, he would have other tools at his disposal to survive the night. scummy ones.

Also also, the "what is ted doing on g-man" when I haven't posted in like 24 hours or something is really bad. Especially when I don't remember juliets even saying anything about G-man, so why even say that?

I can follow sig's train of thought actually.

I'll probably look at TH's push on me at some point but it isn't on my priority list.

I hate the entire premise underlying this dig on juliets. "You are suspecting sig for the wrong reasons" -- he gave her a bunch of crap for her focus upon the Dizzy-borne "slip" theory against sig instead of whatever other theories were available. I have three gripes:

1) juliets was hardly the only person placing heavy emphasis upon Dizzy's ghost theory. He pulled her out of a hat. She has had vaguely negative energy from various other players all game long, and it makes her a prime target for this kind of bullshit.

2) There is nothing inherently wrong with that theory being the focus. This mindset looks fake.

3) tedxtr insisted more than once that the "slip" could be explained via town-TMI as much as mafia-TMI. I frankly think that's incorrect.

juliets, why does my vote stand out to you from the other 5 people off the sig v mac thunderdome? especially when you have no read on g-man.

"Why me?" defense

[VOTE: Mac ] aubergine

Night

If someone wants to CFD juliets i don’t mind tbh but the general feeling i get is that the game won’t continue in normal parametres unless sig and mac get lynched

So i will probably take my time to finish my projects and will be checking in more rarely until we’re over with this stalemate and yeah, feel free to mention me in posts cuz i’m probably only checking those for the next few days

The "but" caveat aside, I struggle to believe this was ever a real pursuit.

Why would sig say anything if he's bad. Makes more sense that he'd share his theory if he was alone civ

That’s actually something I was thinking about. I was thinking that it was enough for him to call mac out on silencing him because x reasons and just take credit by killing him in the night as a wolf, he wouldn’t really need to out himself like that

But then I thought it’s also a bad argument because actually pushing it gives you more credit anyway, so I didn’t want to read into that. Him having the notion of Mac wolf as a wolf!sig himself, he’d be easily susceptible to slipping in order to lynch mac, thinking it will absolve him of how he scum read him.

I still think tons of people on sig don’t have their place there though. Mainly Juliets who’s failed to give some form of rebuttal for why she was pushing him based on that case.

She asked me something silly like “are you suggesting sig had some TMI as a town role” or something which were exactly my words in the post. Her pushing sig relentlessly over that slip thing seems weird.

She kind of angled it towards “I’ve also read your ISO and I don’t like it” but *i don’t remember* any form of poking at him or pushing.

This is garbage. "seems weird" my ass. It's exactly not weird. I don't buy any of this.

Why are we still talking about this instead of sig’s handling of radishes/sabie?

my methods of hunting put me two scum on a plate

and i think i have a really good point on juliets so i want people to hop in.

No, you absolutely do not.

it seems like a good point to focus on, especially when I don't see the premise of the push coming from juliets? it's such tunnel visioned on the idea sig has to be scum tming and not town tming, and the obvious choice, from her PoV of "sig slipped and dys' case is goat" should be to lynch mac over sig.

I still have no idea what the "town TMI" case is supposed to be.

Boo!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If it's not clear why I am so adamant about the juliets thing, here are reminders why I think she is the most obvious civilian in the game:

1) She looks like one. She always has. I don't think she has looked off at all.

2) Radish interactions

3) MacDougall interactions part 1 / part 2

[Jackofhearts2005]

Anyone that tries to kill non-sig today and isn’t on his team is playing disgustingly bad, fwiw

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

[speedchuck]

People that are claiming sig has to be scum and aren't questioning why he couldn't have just TMI as a town role (which is the only thing dys' case can be even pointed to, but I don't think that's even a viable probability) is weird. Juliets' vote stuck out like a sore thumb. She went hard on him for no reason, just based off this nonsensical case, and her calling sig desperate so early feels really fake. Moreso, claiming she read his ISO but holding him accountable ONLY for this slip thing is wolfy.

I hate the entire premise underlying this dig on juliets. "You are suspecting sig for the wrong reasons" -- he gave her a bunch of crap for her focus upon the Dizzy-borne "slip" theory against sig instead of whatever other theories were available. I have three gripes:

1) juliets was hardly the only person placing heavy emphasis upon Dizzy's ghost theory. He pulled her out of a hat. She has had vaguely negative energy from various other players all game long, and it makes her a prime target for this kind of bullshit.

2) There is nothing inherently wrong with that theory being the focus. This mindset looks fake.

3) tedxtr insisted more than once that the "slip" could be explained via town-TMI as much as mafia-TMI. I frankly think that's incorrect.

Self voting is typically NAI, and not usually worth reading into unless a player has a (meaningfully large sample size) history of only doing it as one alignment.

Self voting is typically NAI, and not usually worth reading into unless a player has a (meaningfully large sample size) history of only doing it as one alignment.

I'm just going off mac's history of fighting for his life as town. He fights as wolf too sure, but in this case I'd buy that he is tired of how the game has been going for him and figures his best chance at a win is sacrificing himself and letting his teammates go on. (and maybe he figures if he resigns to being lynched we're less likely to figure out who those might be -- though ofc some people are still defending him, but that doesn't make them his teammates)

Or he’s town sick of this shit. It’s NAI

To be clear I think he’s a wolf, I just don’t think that’s why he’s a wolf

I also think anyone hard pushing the “mac has given up, lol gottem” line should be under a close microscope tomorrow

"Sig can be scum, but don't read that because of the slip."
"Mac is scum, but but don't read that for the self-vote."

The circumstances are different, as Nanook didn't go hard against anyone for it, but I still think this is scummy.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Announcement: We're cancelling Ghosts. It's an idea that has changed drastically from its first conception, and we believe it is having a negative effect on the game.

Pariah's ghost gets to stay.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

"Sig can be scum, but don't read that because of the slip."
"Mac is scum, but but don't read that for the self-vote."

The circumstances are different, as Nanook didn't go hard against anyone for it, but I still think this is scummy.

I think your gripe is at least valid. I'll leave Nanook to reply before I say more.

[Sloonei]

Page 113 > Page 110

[TonyStarkPrime]

why is tony voting for nanook?

Mac told me to

[TonyStarkPrime]

why is tony voting for nanook?

Mac told me to

but Mac’s been cancelled so

[sig]

Psh a little late for me re ghosts. ;(

[sig]

People who say the names of logical fallacies to no end tend to be bad.

Your bad not me.

I'm not talking about you lol

Dom may be mafia to

yeah i'm on mac's team.

Maybe your on my team.

the incorrect "you're" is killing me.

Car posting

But I mean like your could work given something something something

[Jackofhearts2005]

If I vote Sig, it’ll be to shut him up.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

People that are claiming sig has to be scum and aren't questioning why he couldn't have just TMI as a town role (which is the only thing dys' case can be even pointed to, but I don't think that's even a viable probability) is weird. Juliets' vote stuck out like a sore thumb. She went hard on him for no reason, just based off this nonsensical case, and her calling sig desperate so early feels really fake. Moreso, claiming she read his ISO but holding him accountable ONLY for this slip thing is wolfy.

I hate the entire premise underlying this dig on juliets. "You are suspecting sig for the wrong reasons" -- he gave her a bunch of crap for her focus upon the Dizzy-borne "slip" theory against sig instead of whatever other theories were available. I have three gripes:

1) juliets was hardly the only person placing heavy emphasis upon Dizzy's ghost theory. He pulled her out of a hat. She has had vaguely negative energy from various other players all game long, and it makes her a prime target for this kind of bullshit.

2) There is nothing inherently wrong with that theory being the focus. This mindset looks fake.

3) tedxtr insisted more than once that the "slip" could be explained via town-TMI as much as mafia-TMI. I frankly think that's incorrect.

Self voting is typically NAI, and not usually worth reading into unless a player has a (meaningfully large sample size) history of only doing it as one alignment.

Self voting is typically NAI, and not usually worth reading into unless a player has a (meaningfully large sample size) history of only doing it as one alignment.

I'm just going off mac's history of fighting for his life as town. He fights as wolf too sure, but in this case I'd buy that he is tired of how the game has been going for him and figures his best chance at a win is sacrificing himself and letting his teammates go on. (and maybe he figures if he resigns to being lynched we're less likely to figure out who those might be -- though ofc some people are still defending him, but that doesn't make them his teammates)

Or he’s town sick of this shit. It’s NAI

To be clear I think he’s a wolf, I just don’t think that’s why he’s a wolf

I also think anyone hard pushing the “mac has given up, lol gottem” line should be under a close microscope tomorrow

"Sig can be scum, but don't read that because of the slip."
"Mac is scum, but but don't read that for the self-vote."

The circumstances are different, as Nanook didn't go hard against anyone for it, but I still think this is scummy.

I guess I’m scummy for arguing with people that they were TRing me for bad reasons too

[juliets]

@juliets Jimmy pocket protectored you so early. He also did some fancy dancing with Mac for a while. I can picture a world where the three of you are roommates with a flat downtown. I know it's a bit early to be pushing those sorts of associative reads when we don't have a flip for Jimmy

You're not someone I read particularly well but I also don't have strong townie vibes from you like I sometimes do, you're certainly in my PoE

So you're saying that since Jay reads me civ, and you don't feel any "townie vibes" you think I'm bad? Have you even read through my posts looking for evidence of a town juliets? Or evidence of a bad juliets? Have you done anything to critically assess me?

Also juliet's is probbaly on macs team dont ask me how i know but I can tell you I know.

You don't know that sig because it's not true.

personally i think we should be listening to sig today.

Why?

Wow no more ghosts. It seemed like such a fun dynamic.

I'm caught up and going back to Turnip Head.

[Sloonei]

That sig post should have been orange.

[speedchuck]

Spoiler: show

People that are claiming sig has to be scum and aren't questioning why he couldn't have just TMI as a town role (which is the only thing dys' case can be even pointed to, but I don't think that's even a viable probability) is weird. Juliets' vote stuck out like a sore thumb. She went hard on him for no reason, just based off this nonsensical case, and her calling sig desperate so early feels really fake. Moreso, claiming she read his ISO but holding him accountable ONLY for this slip thing is wolfy.

I hate the entire premise underlying this dig on juliets. "You are suspecting sig for the wrong reasons" -- he gave her a bunch of crap for her focus upon the Dizzy-borne "slip" theory against sig instead of whatever other theories were available. I have three gripes:

1) juliets was hardly the only person placing heavy emphasis upon Dizzy's ghost theory. He pulled her out of a hat. She has had vaguely negative energy from various other players all game long, and it makes her a prime target for this kind of bullshit.

2) There is nothing inherently wrong with that theory being the focus. This mindset looks fake.

3) tedxtr insisted more than once that the "slip" could be explained via town-TMI as much as mafia-TMI. I frankly think that's incorrect.

Self voting is typically NAI, and not usually worth reading into unless a player has a (meaningfully large sample size) history of only doing it as one alignment.

Self voting is typically NAI, and not usually worth reading into unless a player has a (meaningfully large sample size) history of only doing it as one alignment.

I'm just going off mac's history of fighting for his life as town. He fights as wolf too sure, but in this case I'd buy that he is tired of how the game has been going for him and figures his best chance at a win is sacrificing himself and letting his teammates go on. (and maybe he figures if he resigns to being lynched we're less likely to figure out who those might be -- though ofc some people are still defending him, but that doesn't make them his teammates)

Or he’s town sick of this shit. It’s NAI

To be clear I think he’s a wolf, I just don’t think that’s why he’s a wolf

I also think anyone hard pushing the “mac has given up, lol gottem” line should be under a close microscope tomorrow

"Sig can be scum, but don't read that because of the slip."
"Mac is scum, but but don't read that for the self-vote."

The circumstances are different, as Nanook didn't go hard against anyone for it, but I still think this is scummy.

I guess I’m scummy for arguing with people that they were TRing me for bad reasons too

Yes? Yes, that is scummy. It would be scummy even by itself. I didn't even see you had done that, so thanks for pointing it out.

There are plenty of scum motives for arguing about your own townread, and few town motives. One of those scum motives is that you can bank on your honesty and objectivity for credit, as you are here. Another scum motive is to talk about your own townread instead of talking about anything useful. (You know your alignment and know what you want to present it as, so anything you say about it is pretty pointless.)

On top of that, this particular post just deflects my observation without accounting for it, tossing sarcasm and misdirection out there.

It's not a slam dunk, but I believe Nanook is scum.

[Sloonei]

I’ve argued against town reads on myself as town before.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I argue against reads made for what I see as bad reasons regardless of whether I agree with the end judgment or not.

There’s not really anything to address in your accusation, you say “you did this, it’s scummy,” there’s nothing to say to that beyond “I did that, it isn’t scummy”

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’s like if I said “Chuck is scum because his name is speedchuck.”

You can’t really refute or address that accusation, all you can say is “my name is speedchuck, but I’m town.”

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’ve also already posted more than I wanted to today, fuck you guys for drawing me in

[speedchuck]

I’ve argued against town reads on myself as town before.

Why though.

[Sloonei]

I’ve argued against town reads on myself as town before.

Why though.

Sometimes because I don’t want things about me to be misconstrued, other times because I want to get a better read on the person reading me.

[speedchuck]

I’ve argued against town reads on myself as town before.

Why though.

Sometimes because I don’t want things about me to be misconstrued, other times because I want to get a better read on the person reading me.

omigawd nuance.

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] It looks like you need to show me where you talked about the reasons to townread you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

How about a non-speedchucker tell me something about ted.

[speedchuck]

How about a non-speedchucker tell me something about ted.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

How about a non-speedchucker tell me something about ted.

You're welcome to talk about ted too. You're the only one that said anything already.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The Monitor - You cannot be nightkilled by regular means. By the end of Day 1, you will choose two players to be Harbinger and Pariah. They will know who you are.

If Harbinger is alive, and has not been found by the Anti-Monitor at the start of Day 6, she will choose one player to resurrect.

If this happens I recommend nutella.

[Sloonei]

I'm doing school junk at the moment, but I'll throw my Day 0 beef with ted back into the mix because it may be relevant again:

Spoiler: show

Swag can’t be identified just felt

It’s just fancy code names for tone reads

Epi was awkward in his exchange with J and you have good tone

Are you gonna get anything from my alignment out of me developing why a tone is good / bad for me? I don’t even think I can do that tbh, it will turn out to be an incoherent chaining of words that don’t help anyone to read me

I just wanted to throw my suspicions out and let people know who I’m observing. It’s page 2 reads anyway, it’s some place to build from.

Tone reads always have underlying reasons.

I can't tell you what I'm going to get out of anything. I do things so we can all see what happens. Do you not want me to ask you questions?

How’d you twist me explaining why tone reads are holistic and are really subjective into me not wanting you to ask me questions lol. My point was that it’s an unproductive way of sorting me, not that I wouldn’t want you to ask me questions lol

Regarding J’s request, i’ll do it some time later prob in like 30 minutes idk i have class

Cyaaaaa

Your bottom two paragraphs read like you don't want to be part of this conversation. "Don't ask me to explain these things, just accept them." I will read you, one way or another, based on what I can glean from your activity. This is our first real mafia game together. My thing is that I ask people questions. Your answers will always tell me something.

Linki: stop posting, dickbutts.

I gave ted a generic Day 0 prod and he responded more defensively than I would have expected. "I just wanted to throw my suspicions out and let people know who I’m observing" felt particularly out of place, since the nature of my initial question was "can you explain the reads you just shared?"

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’ve argued against town reads on myself as town before.

Why though.

Sometimes because I don’t want things about me to be misconstrued, other times because I want to get a better read on the person reading me.

omigawd nuance.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME It looks like you need to show me where you talked about the reasons to townread you.

Find them yourself. It’s just as hard for me to find as you.

[Michelle]

I was pretty lost these days, but I know that Sig is always the lynch today. I already voted but to preserve the timing
[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

I will be back in the morning.