Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[TonyStarkPrime]

Let's not forget about the sntimonitor he has a voting advantage.....,.......

he does not

[TonyStarkPrime]

Tony could be bad, like why isn't he? He's just kinda here

no
no
yes

[TonyStarkPrime]

So I have reached the conclusion that someone must be scum. I am going to proceed by thinking of this game as one with one scum team and an SK. There’s no reason to continue to think about this as multiball unless someone seriously wants to track down the anti monitor. Which is unnecessary because it looks like we missed our revive.

I’m confused by the second half of this post. Why does the lack of revival have anything to do with the anti-monitor?

1) noting we missed the revive
2) it means likely that either the revivey person died and that was not revealed or, I think, that Dizzy was chosen. In either case, the anti-monitor poses no unique threat to the town by that means.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Ted
Michelle
Speed
Tony is my pet paranoia read
Colin could be bad but I don't think so
Juliets could be bad but she seems okay for now
Jimmy is acting unjimmyish and begging me to scumread him

I guess that's where I'm at

You know I am not your fan and put me there just to have a suspects list. You have no reason to Poe me

Ted
Michelle
Speed
Tony is my pet paranoia read
Colin could be bad but I don't think so
Juliets could be bad but she seems okay for now
Jimmy is acting unjimmyish and begging me to scumread him

I guess that's where I'm at

Do any of these suspects seem unviable for one team or the other?

Not really

Really? Can you explain how come for everyone?

I don't like the first half. It is an attempt to prevent another player from putting your name on a list. That's inherently scummy.
The second half seems fair, Turnip should stop throwing out names to see what sticks. I don't know if the question is entirely reasonable, but I think Sloonei is just looking for any kind of thought process.

[tedxtr]

i don't like the first half of tsp's post.

[Michelle]

Ted
Michelle
Speed
Tony is my pet paranoia read
Colin could be bad but I don't think so
Juliets could be bad but she seems okay for now
Jimmy is acting unjimmyish and begging me to scumread him

I guess that's where I'm at

You know I am not your fan and put me there just to have a suspects list. You have no reason to Poe me

Ted
Michelle
Speed
Tony is my pet paranoia read
Colin could be bad but I don't think so
Juliets could be bad but she seems okay for now
Jimmy is acting unjimmyish and begging me to scumread him

I guess that's where I'm at

Do any of these suspects seem unviable for one team or the other?

Not really

Really? Can you explain how come for everyone?

I don't like the first half. It is an attempt to prevent another player from putting your name on a list. That's inherently scummy.
The second half seems fair, Turnip should stop throwing out names to see what sticks. I don't know if the question is entirely reasonable, but I think Sloonei is just looking for any kind of thought process.

It's not what you say. I voted him in day 2 because I considered him wolf. It was a reminder for my vote.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Where even is Michelle? I feel like I wasn't there for the one thing she actually did, does she only exist in a bizarro world? Could she have been forced to case speedchuck? There's no evidence that this actually happened, I almost don't believe it did and we're still in a dream, but like in real life

This, as far as I can tell, it the first time Turnip mentions Speed.

Ted
Michelle
Speed
Tony is my pet paranoia read
Colin could be bad but I don't think so
Juliets could be bad but she seems okay for now
Jimmy is acting unjimmyish and begging me to scumread him

I guess that's where I'm at

This is the second time. On the list -- notably with Michelle, something that seems unlikely in his weird interpretation of another day 4. The only previous interaction was a quote about a mechanics thing and a voting log.
Unless I missed something I was searching on my phone.
Conveniently, me and Epi had just been talking about a suspicion of Speed a few posts ago. Nice name to add to a fake list?
Now, full note: me and Speed also I don't think have interacted this game and I've only expressed vague suspicion a few times. This could apply to me as well. So maybe it's not a great case -- the game is big, you don't interact with everyone and you don't post about everything you find off.

But I'd like some reasoning from our vegetable.

[TonyStarkPrime]

i don't like the first half of tsp's post.

which post

[TonyStarkPrime]

Spoiler: show

Ted
Michelle
Speed
Tony is my pet paranoia read
Colin could be bad but I don't think so
Juliets could be bad but she seems okay for now
Jimmy is acting unjimmyish and begging me to scumread him

I guess that's where I'm at

You know I am not your fan and put me there just to have a suspects list. You have no reason to Poe me

Ted
Michelle
Speed
Tony is my pet paranoia read
Colin could be bad but I don't think so
Juliets could be bad but she seems okay for now
Jimmy is acting unjimmyish and begging me to scumread him

I guess that's where I'm at

Do any of these suspects seem unviable for one team or the other?

Not really

Really? Can you explain how come for everyone?

I don't like the first half. It is an attempt to prevent another player from putting your name on a list. That's inherently scummy.
The second half seems fair, Turnip should stop throwing out names to see what sticks. I don't know if the question is entirely reasonable, but I think Sloonei is just looking for any kind of thought process.

It's not what you say. I voted him in day 2 because I considered him wolf. It was a reminder for my vote.

What's the point of reminding him?

[tedxtr]

you shading michelle

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

Ted
Michelle
Speed
Tony is my pet paranoia read
Colin could be bad but I don't think so
Juliets could be bad but she seems okay for now
Jimmy is acting unjimmyish and begging me to scumread him

I guess that's where I'm at

You know I am not your fan and put me there just to have a suspects list. You have no reason to Poe me

Ted
Michelle
Speed
Tony is my pet paranoia read
Colin could be bad but I don't think so
Juliets could be bad but she seems okay for now
Jimmy is acting unjimmyish and begging me to scumread him

I guess that's where I'm at

Do any of these suspects seem unviable for one team or the other?

Not really

Really? Can you explain how come for everyone?

I don't like the first half. It is an attempt to prevent another player from putting your name on a list. That's inherently scummy.
The second half seems fair, Turnip should stop throwing out names to see what sticks. I don't know if the question is entirely reasonable, but I think Sloonei is just looking for any kind of thought process.

It's not what you say. I voted him in day 2 because I considered him wolf. It was a reminder for my vote.

What's the point of reminding him?

reaction?
But of course someone else should ruin that.

I need his take for everyone before anything

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] ping me with your answer, how is everyone in your list scum and with whom?

[tedxtr]

Don't know if this was addressed, but I was thinking...If sig potentially designed the levels, would he have risked sending the anti-monitor in the main thread , the only place where lynched people die?

[tedxtr]

I don't think AM was in the same thread as him, because I think he'd grow weary of this theory being paid attention to. So right now I kind of want to sort in the other level. Anyone got a list with who was there? i want to iso sumthin'

[Michelle]

Don't know if this was addressed, but I was thinking...If sig potentially designed the levels, would he have risked sending the anti-monitor in the main thread , the only place where lynched people die?

Good idea, you may be right.

Which level were you in?
My dream level included Speed, Gman, Sloonei, Juliets, JJJ and me. I won the popularity contest with 3 votes fron Speed, Sloo and JJJ, second was Speed with 2 votes from Gman and Juliets, and i voted Juliets because her mild tone rised ny paranoia level.

[Michelle]

I don't think AM was in the same thread as him, because I think he'd grow weary of this theory being paid attention to. So right now I kind of want to sort in the other level. Anyone got a list with who was there? i want to iso sumthin'

@ me with what you need, i go to work but later I will post

[tedxtr]

ok i assume that's the list i wanted to look in cuz i remember that account telling us tsp and someone else was with sig

i think, ultimately, sig would've used the 3 man level for shading and bet on this very wifom. if we bit it, it takes a 50/50 to lynch his anti-monitor which would seem dumb from him.

I don't know if he'd risk it by putting him in main thread, so I think that he'd just place him in Michelle's hood thing.

I'll take a look at those peeps. But names that stick out upon PoE and shit are probably JJJ / Gman / Speed

[TonyStarkPrime]

you shading michelle

I am in fact doing this

[Michelle]

you shading michelle

I am in fact doing this

expand this pls

[TonyStarkPrime]

you shading michelle

I am in fact doing this

expand this pls

had mild suspicions with something you said, pressed you on it. Got an answer. Moved on.

[Turnip Head]

[You have no reason to Poe me

Why should you not be in my PoE?

[Tranq]

But to pause the mafia game for a moment, I do hope that we all remain healthy and in high spirits over the next couple of weeks. Even if you’re not in the high-risk portion of the population, this is not a very pleasant moment in time. Y’all are the best.

My flight to NY next week got cancelled. Not a very pleasant moment in time indeed.

Oh wait yeah the AM killed last night. He’s only at +1 vote, possibly tied with someone else due to award presenter and very likely behind Agatha.

I say we have two public votes and all privately vote for the most consensus target to override mafia secret vote.

huh?

Antimonitor has -2 votes against him by default. Antimonitor killed last night, giving him +3 votes due to Nanook2's death. This is a net +1 vote.

Award presenter can give +1 or -1 votes against a player.

Agatha gains votes for using actions and can remove them by taking no action.

So the Antimonitor has 1 vote to start, Agatha probably has at least 1 vote to start and another player may have 1 vote to start as well.

So basically, the bodyguard could have given us a free lynch but it didn't. Might help the case of a tie though.

What are you proposing Jack?

A normal day with two lynches and the most consensus suspect being voted for by all townies. Possibly that suspect is TH.

I agree.

[tedxtr]

I thought th’s list was a town list

[Michelle]

[You have no reason to Poe me

Why should you not be in my PoE?

don't avoid my point.
You tell me why am I in your Poe

[juliets]

Good morning everyone, I'll be reading Epi's link to a baddie game of Jay's. Also watching the news which is scaring me to death. I think I'm going to have to stop going to the gym.

[Long Con]

If there were people A B C D and A is Harriet and protects B and C and D is vanilla scum and kills B and then A and D vote for C and C votes for A who gets lynched?

Ok... the targeter gets three votes against them in the lynch. So A has one vote from C... B is dead... C has two votes, the natural way, and D has three votes and ends up lynched.

[Long Con]

Question-- @Long Con @Black Rock

If someone gets the 3 extra votes from Harriet's power, would they know about it?

Nope!

[TonyStarkPrime]

If there were people A B C D and A is Harriet and protects B and C and D is vanilla scum and kills B and then A and D vote for C and C votes for A who gets lynched?

Ok... the targeter gets three votes against them in the lynch. So A has one vote from C... B is dead... C has two votes, the natural way, and D has three votes and ends up lynched.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] [mention]Turnip Head[/mention]

[Dom]

wait... the killer is the one who starts with the extra votes?

Like he's putting in the minimal amount of effort to be townread

How would you compare that to yourself?

[Michelle]

Won't vote for:

Dom, Epi, G-Man, Jack, Sloonei

Could be convinced to vote mostly anyone else

This list and the list of his Poe. Looks like Tranq is missing and I wonder why.

Ted
Michelle
Speed
Tony is my pet paranoia read
Colin could be bad but I don't think so
Juliets could be bad but she seems okay for now
Jimmy is acting unjimmyish and begging me to scumread him

I guess that's where I'm at

JJJs case on TH:
viewtopic.php?p=592339#p592339

Readig all that case and the way TH is posting without a thought process behind his reads my vote goes again to TH today.

[VOTE: TH] aubergine

[speedchuck]

I'm going to chase something things..

speedchuck;

Who is bad and who is good?

speedchuck

Dom
Jackofhearts2005
G-Man
Epignosis
juliets

ColinIsCool
Sloonei
TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

Michelle

Turnip Head
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr

sig

Something like that. It's difficult, since there are two teams, and there are multiple players in there I don't recall reading any posts from. Lots of players in this game. Proposed players for each team would be harder still.
I think my individual takes are probably more useful.

Nanook being out of the picture really doesn't change things much.

[speedchuck]

Also JJJ and turbup probably aren't scum together, at least. :P

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

[juliets]

I am voting for Turnip Head this morning after ISOing him and after reading Jay's ISO.

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

[Dom]

Also JJJ and turbup probably aren't scum together, at least. :P

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

...why?
Suddenly they don't want to lynch each other now that Mac and sig aren't around.

[Turnip Head]

Meh I'll defend myself later. Sorry for playing like hot garbage this game whoops

[speedchuck]

Also JJJ and turbup probably aren't scum together, at least. :P

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

...why?
Suddenly they don't want to lynch each other now that Mac and sig aren't around.

Fair point.

But I feel like they could have done better here. If this whole thing was to create distance, it was stupid. We're in multiball. Distance from scum isn't a clear. The cases they've made on each other just make them both look worse.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also JJJ and turbup probably aren't scum together, at least. :P

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

...why?
Suddenly they don't want to lynch each other now that Mac and sig aren't around.

What gave you the impression I don’t want to lynch Turnip Head?

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also JJJ and turbup probably aren't scum together, at least. :P

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

...why?
Suddenly they don't want to lynch each other now that Mac and sig aren't around.

Fair point.

But I feel like they could have done better here. If this whole thing was to create distance, it was stupid. We're in multiball. Distance from scum isn't a clear. The cases they've made on each other just make them both look worse.

Tell me more about that last sentence.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Dom[/mention] I have felt on a few occasions that you’ve shat on me without actually knowing what I’ve posted, and it’s not ideal. I’m an easy name to give crap right now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] I will ask one more time why a teammate of Mac would not make a thorough case on you, per your assertion.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Good morning everyone, I'll be reading Epi's link to a baddie game of Jay's. Also watching the news which is scaring me to death. I think I'm going to have to stop going to the gym.

You asked earlier for a mafia game of mine. In addition to Epi’s link to Transistor:

Currents
Mountain
MU Season 6 Scrimmage
Phenon Origins

Getting links would be a pain, I’m on my phone

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Michelle hating her inclusion in a POE when she feels there’s no explanation may as well be copy-pasted from Dogs vs Cats (she was a civilian and gave me a lot of grief for my POE pool).

[Sloonei]

wait... the killer is the one who starts with the extra votes?

If I’m understanding it correctly, the person who killed Harriet begins today with +3 votes cast against them in the poll. As it was probably the anti-monitor who killed nanook, their automatic -2 votes dampens that to a +1 for today.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]tedxtr[/mention] I just scanned through your posts again. Since Mac was lynched, your hunting work has been quite limited — not in terms of post count, but in terms of post content. I see the following:

- The push against juliets that I didn’t like
- Push against sprityo D4
- A single vague dig at Jack
- A single vague dig at Michelle
- Today’s brief dig at TSP
- A theory predicated on inferring game/role mechanics and sig’s strategic intentions

There may have been another one-line/one-post shade in there. I think I remember one but not who. Phone.

This seems to contrast your play earlier in the game. I don’t know what you’re doing. What are you doing?

[Turnip Head]

@Turnip Head I will ask one more time why a teammate of Mac would not make a thorough case on you, per your assertion.

I think some people would do that. I don't think you would, but as always I'm happy to be proven wrong

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Turnip Head I will ask one more time why a teammate of Mac would not make a thorough case on you, per your assertion.

I think some people would do that. I don't think you would, but as always I'm happy to be proven wrong

Okay why wouldn’t I do that?

[speedchuck]

Also JJJ and turbup probably aren't scum together, at least. :P

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

...why?
Suddenly they don't want to lynch each other now that Mac and sig aren't around.

Fair point.

But I feel like they could have done better here. If this whole thing was to create distance, it was stupid. We're in multiball. Distance from scum isn't a clear. The cases they've made on each other just make them both look worse.

Tell me more about that last sentence.

... Oh I see where you can misconstrue that.

Your case on TH makes them look worse. Their case on you makes you look worse.

The distance doesn't matter because of multiball. End result: Net not-as-good.

Granted TH's case on you wasn't as strong as the reverse, IMO, having just looked back at it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Okay. I did misunderstand that as meaning we made ourselves look worse.

[Turnip Head]

Turnip Head I will ask one more time why a teammate of Mac would not make a thorough case on you, per your assertion.

I think some people would do that. I don't think you would, but as always I'm happy to be proven wrong

Okay why wouldn’t I do that?

Dude I dunno. I really don't care that much to psychoanalyze my own thoughts.

[Michelle]

Michelle hating her inclusion in a POE when she feels there’s no explanation may as well be copy-pasted from Dogs vs Cats (she was a civilian and gave me a lot of grief for my POE pool).

It's not copy pasted, it's my normal annoyance for wrong takes.
You did it in this game too, and I let you be because it remembered me of that game where you were so wrong. I didn't find it as an agenda to shade me, because I compared it with the tone you have back then. Looks similar for me.
I hope I don't misread you by mistake now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Michelle hating her inclusion in a POE when she feels there’s no explanation may as well be copy-pasted from Dogs vs Cats (she was a civilian and gave me a lot of grief for my POE pool).

It's not copy pasted, it's my normal annoyance for wrong takes.
You did it in this game too, and I let you be because it remembered me of that game where you were so wrong. I didn't find it as an agenda to shade me, because I compared it with the tone you have back then. Looks similar for me.
I hope I don't misread you by mistake now.

I meant that in a positive light. It’s a highly specific observation, and not the sort of deliberate meta-mimicry I’d expect.