Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[Michelle]

If the POE insists that I must be bad then the POE is wrong.

Could be. I sort of expected you to yell at me, at least with your Sloonei voice, about that out-of-nowhere read. So I'm probably right

I am yelling. Look how angry I am.

I don't see it as out-of-nowhere. I've been forced to reconsider my read on you. It makes sense to reconsider me as well. The POE is wrong if it includes me, and you may be fully aware of that. Walk me through why speedchuck can't be bad.

Idk if Speed can be or can't be the Antimonitor but he is not aligned with Sloonei from what I read.
And why this double standard, Tony was green on JJJs reads too but Sloonei is not mentioning him at all.

For who can speak english why to use "you may be" instead "you are"?

[Michelle]

Voted now because i fell asleep after my last message.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

For who can speak english why to use "you may be" instead "you are"?

It is a softer way to say it -- it's not certain.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll check my analyses from Sloonei on the reverses tomorrow -- other people's treatment of Sloonei.

[tedxtr]

Impressive kill, whoever that was, I'mma get to my own interaction analysis in a bit. I'll do like 1 or 2 and come back at this some time later. Damn Sloonei was off my radar so hard.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay ] aubergine

Jack was right about this, Sloonei's gameplay yesterday was revolved around getting Jay out of a lynch.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jack was right about this, Sloonei's gameplay yesterday was revolved around getting Jay out of a lynch.

I think he was right about that too, at least to a point.

[Michelle]

For who can speak english why to use "you may be" instead "you are"?

It is a softer way to say it -- it's not certain.

Is like he wanted to avoid a TMI accusation.

[Tranq]

Anti-Monitor:
speedchuck

Master:
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] out of ted and speed, who's your best guess to be the Anti-Monitor?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JaggedJimmyJay out of ted and speed, who's your best guess to be the Anti-Monitor?

ted. I don't think speedchuck is mafia, and that applies even moreso to the Anti-Monitor. I don't see speedchuck losing his shit the way he did last night if he's been alone for days.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

For who can speak english why to use "you may be" instead "you are"?

It is a softer way to say it -- it's not certain.

Is like he wanted to avoid a TMI accusation.

Could be. He had an advantage over the rest of you non-Masters in knowing I'm innocent, so TMI would have applied.

[Michelle]

For who can speak english why to use "you may be" instead "you are"?

It is a softer way to say it -- it's not certain.

Is like he wanted to avoid a TMI accusation.

Could be. He had an advantage over the rest of you non-Masters in knowing I'm innocent, so TMI would have applied.

I don't want to be nitpicky so I will not say what paranoia tells me about the cyan.

[Michelle]

There are already days since I want to reread Dizzy's posts. I think is unfair to let his posts aside and squeeze just our brains when we have those walls.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] please use your red text wise and give us your insight.

[mention]G-Man[/mention] sorry for the mislynch, help the townies who fail to understand you.

[Michelle]

Anti-Monitor:
speedchuck

Master:
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr

@JaggedJimmyJay out of ted and speed, who's your best guess to be the Anti-Monitor?

Can you please explain your reads?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't want to be nitpicky so I will not say what paranoia tells me about the cyan.

lol there's a funny thing about that I'll share after the game

but I was speaking to everyone there

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Unfortunately Jack can't drop in since the hosts canceled the ghost mechanic. I'm sure he would read me as a civilian if he could.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I would like for the hater squad to tell me what y'all think of Tony review

[Michelle]

Unfortunately Jack can't drop in since the hosts canceled the ghost mechanic. I'm sure he would read me as a civilian if he could.

i doubt

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Unfortunately Jack can't drop in since the hosts canceled the ghost mechanic. I'm sure he would read me as a civilian if he could.

i doubt

me too

[juliets]

Jack hounded me and everyone else to vote for Jay and now I wonder if he tracked Jay and saw him target someone who died that night. He was just so sure. So, I'm going to vote for Jay this morning but I will still dig on others. If Jay is bad I think he's got to be on the Master's team.

Also, I know this is crazy tinfoil and maybe you guys think it doesn't matter but could sig (the Architect) have switched Mac's janitored kill Night 2 so that Mac actually killed someone on his own team (Dizzy)? sig knew Mac was bad so it makes some sense he would have targeted him. I'm telling you, ghost Dizzy said something that shows me he was bad or maybe indie. I can't discuss what he said so you will have to just believe me or not. Anyway, maybe it doesn't matter that much because we should just keep looking for scum until LC tells us it's over. Or maybe that's not the way sig's power worked. I just thought I should bring it up as a possibility, crazy as it sounds.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

[juliets]

I would like for the hater squad to tell me what y'all think of Tony review

Jay, Tony is a high civ read for me so this caught me by surprise. I can't make the decision that he's bad off of just this analysis - I have to read the whole ISO of Tony's. I will do that during this day period and then let you know.

[Michelle]

Opining tomorrow. Data now:

Day 1 :
1 Dizzy - Tony
1 Jack - Spityo
1 JJJ - Radishes
6 Radishes - JJJ, Ted, Svs, Michelle, Sloonei, Dizzy
1 Nanook01 - Sig
6 Nutella01 - Nanook01, Turnip, Sabie, Jack, Mac, Dom
2 Speed - Epi, Nutella01

Day 2

1 GMan - Ted
7 Mac - Speed, Sig, Jack, Dom, Sabie, Sprityo, Nanook02
9 Radishes - Tony, JJJ, Svs, Sloonei, Epi, Juliets, Mac, Colin, Turnip
2 Sloonei - Dizzy, GMan
3 Turnip - Michelle, Tranq, Radishes

Day 3

2 Jack - Turnip, Mac
10 Mac - Ted, Tony, GMan, Jack, Michelle, Nanook, Sig, Sprityo, Epi, Tranq
8 Sig - Colin, Svs, Sloonei, Dom, Speed, Nutella02, JJJ, Juliets

Day 4 main poll

3 Nanook02 - Epi, Sprityo, TurnipHead
5 Sprityo - Dom, Colin, Ted, Nanook02, Jack

Day 4 poll in a dream level

1 Juliets - Michelle
3 Michelle - Speed, Sloonei, JJJ
2 Speed - GMan, Juliets


Day 4 Limbo Poll
???? (Sig, Tranq, Tony)

Day 5

4 JJJ - Tranq, Colin, Dom, Epi
1 Nanook02 - Sig
10 Sig - Ted, Speed, Nanook02, TurnipHead, Sloonei, Juliets, Michelle, JJJ, Jack, TSP

Day 6

8 Colin - Dom, Michelle, Tranq, Juliets, Jack, Epi, JJJ, Speed
4 Speed - GMan, TSP, TurnipHead, Colin
1 Ted - Sloonei

Colouring the flipped of this post. I don't have time yet to put the last polls but I wanted a view of the first polls.

[juliets]

I tend to agree with Jay that speed's emotional outburst wouldn't come from a mafia speedchuck. I will still review him in this day period though.

[juliets]

Thanks for the color coded votes Michelle.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I would like for the hater squad to tell me what y'all think of Tony review

Jay, Tony is a high civ read for me so this caught me by surprise. I can't make the decision that he's bad off of just this analysis - I have to read the whole ISO of Tony's. I will do that during this day period and then let you know.

He was my top civilian read until I looked into Sloonei. There's also the factor that nearly every other player in the game looks incompatible with Sloonei.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sloonei's weird little standalone vote for ted on Day 6 is a good look for ted. Sloonei isn't typically the sort to engage in those generic WIFOM plays.

[Tranq]

Anti-Monitor:
speedchuck

Master:
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr

Can you please explain your reads?

I have civ reads on everyone else.

JJJ as Sloonei's teammate makes the most sense. Sloonei hard defended JJJ, and JJJ brought up the notion of Sloonei being the neutral role.
tedxtr pushed hard to get G-Man lynched instead of JJJ. Sloonei was not on ted's radar at all. So probably their teammate.
Which leaves speedchuck as Anti-Monitor.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I looked at Tranq and Tony to see if they're compatible with each other.

Tranq:

Spoiler: show

This is where i'm at right now:

CIV:
----
Dom
Epignosis
G-Man
Jackofhearts2005
juliets
TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

BAD:
----
ColinIsCool (not AM)
JaggedJimmyJay (not AM) or Turnip Head (not AM)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0
Sloonei (not AM)

NOT SURE:
----
Michelle (not AM, not Master)
speedchuck (not AM, not Master)
tedxtr (not AM, not Master)

If there are good reasons to dispute any of the above, let me know.

Tony:

Spoiler: show

Dizzy is town, Colin is ehh.

I knew you would come to love me. Are you town though? Cause I want like a read list or something from you. Or at least your top suspects or something. Basically just want to know more where you're at and not so in the background.

Town:

Dizzy
Epi?
G-Man
Jack?
SVS
sig
Ted
Me

Ehh:
Colin
Dom
Drago
Mac
Radish
Michelle
A book
Sloonei
Sprit
Tranq

Baddish:
Jay
Juliets
Sabie
Speed
Turnip

Ted, Jack, and Colin are the names to look into if we’re right about sig. Dom is a fringe candidate too, and I saw someone float Tranq as well. I have no reason to object to that.

This for if Sig is scum?

I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

Tranq
TonyStarkPrime
sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?

I have the whole thing copied, but since we still have access to it it wouldn’t be moral to share. Tranq posted more than he’s posted in this thread, I think. Sig says he let a few clues out, but I think it’s kinda broad and still obviously WIFOMy. It was pretty slow. One note: Sig intend(s/ed) to stay alive. His teammate was voting for Mac. We tried to lynch Long Con, I figured out Quin was scum, that’s about it.

I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

@Tranq
@TonyStarkPrime
@sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?

I have the whole thing copied, but since we still have access to it it wouldn’t be moral to share. Tranq posted more than he’s posted in this thread, I think. Sig says he let a few clues out, but I think it’s kinda broad and still obviously WIFOMy. It was pretty slow. One note: Sig intend(s/ed) to stay alive. His teammate was voting for Mac. We tried to lynch Long Con, I figured out Quin was scum, that’s about it.

Tell me about tranq.

Asked Sig a few info baiting questions (explain the Inception set up, what info did you have on Mac) — helpfully but otherwise noted, Sig has claimed that he didn’t target Mac with a kill night 1. Ruined my theory about Nanook being a Sit Down Host, tried to ask me who was bad (said TH for M and Jack for AM) but I just memed it. Overall any amount of effort is good in my eyes.

It would then be strongly to Sig’s advantage to say that one of me or Tranq has to be scum or indy

Colin is a low energy lynch

Who isn't, and why does this matter to you?

Lynch energy tiers:

Jack
Dom, Epi
Juliets, Sloonei, Tony
Jay, G-Man, Tranq, Ted
Speed, Michelle
Colin
Turnip

I would rather more split pushes on tiers 4 and 5 than consolidating on Colin and Turnip.

@Tranq anq
@TonyStarkPrime

please one of you post the poll from your day 4 dream level

Me and Tranq voted for Sig. Sig and Long Con voted forth Long Con.

And Tranq but Tranq can be bad for all I care

Napkin math: 3 people at level 1, we’ve decided that at least one is scum. Roughly 1 in 3 if only 1. At level 2, 6 people, 2-3 scum. better odds.

How do we know there weren't 2 people at level 3 that were bad - one from each team?

If Tranq is scum it’s 1-2-1, 1/3 from both top levels.

@juliets @TonyStarkPrime @G-Man I would love to see your lists in the format Jay have. Gut solve the whole game right now.

town:

tony
epi
Jack
Juliets
G-Man
Michelle

3p:
Sloonei

Master:
JJJ
Speed
Tranq

AM:
Ted

I kinda want to lynch Tranq.

He’s the player I have least reason to townread.

seems iffy

There has been little coordination in here despite some folks saying there needs to be coordination in here. Let's coordinate the two lynches gang.

If you haven't given me a top three suspects yet, do it.

TH
Colin
Sloonei

Whaddya got on Sloonei?

Elimination. I wasn't able to write Not-Master next to their name.

Tranq suspects Sloonei

~~~

Tony had a unique consciousness of Tranq in this game, even apart from being stuck next to him in the smallest dream level. He threw hollow suspicion on Tranq and never acted on it -- indeed, when Jack suggested possibly acting on it Tony said "seems iffy". I highlighted a post that looks like Tony feeling a sense of obligation to say something about Tranq and to make it "negative" in appearance.

They fit together just fine.

I feel pretty good about these two being the exact remaining Master team.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have civ reads on everyone else.

JJJ as Sloonei's teammate makes the most sense. Sloonei hard defended JJJ, and JJJ brought up the notion of Sloonei being the neutral role.
tedxtr pushed hard to get G-Man lynched instead of JJJ. Sloonei was not on ted's radar at all. So probably their teammate.
Which leaves speedchuck as Anti-Monitor.

Tony brought that up. Nope.

Ted wanted G-Man lynched since he was a toddler. Nope.

You're bad.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Tranq thinks I am a civilian. Not even considering me for Anti-Monitor.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Tranq] aubergine

[juliets]

I looked at Tranq and Tony to see if they're compatible with each other.

Tranq:

Spoiler: show

This is where i'm at right now:

CIV:
----
Dom
Epignosis
G-Man
Jackofhearts2005
juliets
TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

BAD:
----
ColinIsCool (not AM)
JaggedJimmyJay (not AM) or Turnip Head (not AM)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0
Sloonei (not AM)

NOT SURE:
----
Michelle (not AM, not Master)
speedchuck (not AM, not Master)
tedxtr (not AM, not Master)

If there are good reasons to dispute any of the above, let me know.

Tony:

Spoiler: show

Dizzy is town, Colin is ehh.

I knew you would come to love me. Are you town though? Cause I want like a read list or something from you. Or at least your top suspects or something. Basically just want to know more where you're at and not so in the background.

Town:

Dizzy
Epi?
G-Man
Jack?
SVS
sig
Ted
Me

Ehh:
Colin
Dom
Drago
Mac
Radish
Michelle
A book
Sloonei
Sprit
Tranq

Baddish:
Jay
Juliets
Sabie
Speed
Turnip

Ted, Jack, and Colin are the names to look into if we’re right about sig. Dom is a fringe candidate too, and I saw someone float Tranq as well. I have no reason to object to that.

This for if Sig is scum?

I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

Tranq
TonyStarkPrime
sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?

I have the whole thing copied, but since we still have access to it it wouldn’t be moral to share. Tranq posted more than he’s posted in this thread, I think. Sig says he let a few clues out, but I think it’s kinda broad and still obviously WIFOMy. It was pretty slow. One note: Sig intend(s/ed) to stay alive. His teammate was voting for Mac. We tried to lynch Long Con, I figured out Quin was scum, that’s about it.

I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

@Tranq
@TonyStarkPrime
@sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?

I have the whole thing copied, but since we still have access to it it wouldn’t be moral to share. Tranq posted more than he’s posted in this thread, I think. Sig says he let a few clues out, but I think it’s kinda broad and still obviously WIFOMy. It was pretty slow. One note: Sig intend(s/ed) to stay alive. His teammate was voting for Mac. We tried to lynch Long Con, I figured out Quin was scum, that’s about it.

Tell me about tranq.

Asked Sig a few info baiting questions (explain the Inception set up, what info did you have on Mac) — helpfully but otherwise noted, Sig has claimed that he didn’t target Mac with a kill night 1. Ruined my theory about Nanook being a Sit Down Host, tried to ask me who was bad (said TH for M and Jack for AM) but I just memed it. Overall any amount of effort is good in my eyes.

It would then be strongly to Sig’s advantage to say that one of me or Tranq has to be scum or indy

Colin is a low energy lynch

Who isn't, and why does this matter to you?

Lynch energy tiers:

Jack
Dom, Epi
Juliets, Sloonei, Tony
Jay, G-Man, Tranq, Ted
Speed, Michelle
Colin
Turnip

I would rather more split pushes on tiers 4 and 5 than consolidating on Colin and Turnip.

@Tranq anq
@TonyStarkPrime

please one of you post the poll from your day 4 dream level

Me and Tranq voted for Sig. Sig and Long Con voted forth Long Con.

And Tranq but Tranq can be bad for all I care

Napkin math: 3 people at level 1, we’ve decided that at least one is scum. Roughly 1 in 3 if only 1. At level 2, 6 people, 2-3 scum. better odds.

How do we know there weren't 2 people at level 3 that were bad - one from each team?

If Tranq is scum it’s 1-2-1, 1/3 from both top levels.

@juliets @TonyStarkPrime @G-Man I would love to see your lists in the format Jay have. Gut solve the whole game right now.

town:

tony
epi
Jack
Juliets
G-Man
Michelle

3p:
Sloonei

Master:
JJJ
Speed
Tranq

AM:
Ted

I kinda want to lynch Tranq.

He’s the player I have least reason to townread.

seems iffy

There has been little coordination in here despite some folks saying there needs to be coordination in here. Let's coordinate the two lynches gang.

If you haven't given me a top three suspects yet, do it.

TH
Colin
Sloonei

Whaddya got on Sloonei?

Elimination. I wasn't able to write Not-Master next to their name.

Tranq suspects Sloonei

~~~

Tony had a unique consciousness of Tranq in this game, even apart from being stuck next to him in the smallest dream level. He threw hollow suspicion on Tranq and never acted on it -- indeed, when Jack suggested possibly acting on it Tony said "seems iffy". I highlighted a post that looks like Tony feeling a sense of obligation to say something about Tranq and to make it "negative" in appearance.

They fit together just fine.

I feel pretty good about these two being the exact remaining Master team.

Jay, that would mean all 3 people at the bottom level of Inception day were bad.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay, that would mean all 3 people at the bottom level of Inception day were bad.

It sure would. There's no reason why that can't be. Neither Tony nor Tranq would be sig's teammates, and sig was the Inception architect.

[juliets]

Jay, that would mean all 3 people at the bottom level of Inception day were bad.

It sure would. There's no reason why that can't be. Neither Tony nor Tranq would be sig's teammates, and sig was the Inception architect.

So just to clarify, you think sig picked all three players at the bottom level? I know in the original you guys had 1 bad, 1 civ, 1 indie at that level.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay, that would mean all 3 people at the bottom level of Inception day were bad.

It sure would. There's no reason why that can't be. Neither Tony nor Tranq would be sig's teammates, and sig was the Inception architect.

So just to clarify, you think sig picked all three players at the bottom level? I know in the original you guys had 1 bad, 1 civ, 1 indie at that level.

I don't know what sig picked. He may have picked none or some or all. What matters here is that regardless of how it worked, there are zero reasons in existence that prevent two Master mafia team members from being in the bottom level with sig.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Remember that sig would presumably not know that's the arrangement. It would be coincidental. And I think it happened.

[juliets]

Jay, that would mean all 3 people at the bottom level of Inception day were bad.

It sure would. There's no reason why that can't be. Neither Tony nor Tranq would be sig's teammates, and sig was the Inception architect.

So just to clarify, you think sig picked all three players at the bottom level? I know in the original you guys had 1 bad, 1 civ, 1 indie at that level.

I don't know what sig picked. He may have picked none or some or all. What matters here is that regardless of how it worked, there are zero reasons in existence that prevent two Master mafia team members from being in the bottom level with sig.

It just seems unbalanced. The two Masters people would obviously lynch the third non-Master even without the S~V~S reveal of sig.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay, that would mean all 3 people at the bottom level of Inception day were bad.

It sure would. There's no reason why that can't be. Neither Tony nor Tranq would be sig's teammates, and sig was the Inception architect.

So just to clarify, you think sig picked all three players at the bottom level? I know in the original you guys had 1 bad, 1 civ, 1 indie at that level.

I don't know what sig picked. He may have picked none or some or all. What matters here is that regardless of how it worked, there are zero reasons in existence that prevent two Master mafia team members from being in the bottom level with sig.

It just seems unbalanced. The two Masters people would obviously lynch the third non-Master even without the S~V~S reveal of sig.

If it's randomized, it can happen. If sig picks some of them, it can happen. If sig picks all of them, it can happen. Balance is irrelevant to all of those scenarios.

The only instance balance matters is if we're assuming the hosts decided who went where. I am not making that assumption. It certainly didn't work that way in my game, and it would be a goofy way to interfere with the game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The unfortunate thing is that the only reports we can get about what went on in that level come from a confirmed and outed mafioso sig and the two players in question. Tony spoke a little bit about Tranq in the lower level, but it was empty. He gave Tranq a little credit for putting in effort down there, whatever that means.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think this is simple now. I may not be exactly right, but the suspect pool for the Master team is restricted. There are numerous players that just don't fit anymore in light of the Sloonei reveal.

Tranq and Tony. Take it to the bank. I hope you guys still have a game when I'm gone to do something with that. I don't know how the numbers will shake out. If a civilian is night killed it might still doom us.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It is unfortunate to feel like I have no choice but to just walk myself to the gallows here when that risk of the game still ending exists. I am not getting any impression that people are listening to a word I am saying though short of juliets. I have become an automated lynch, and Tranq's part in it is particularly gross. Look at his posts and tell me this guy has tried to get a handle on me. He's riding the wave.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I believe Sloonei and juliets are civilians. That hasn't always been the consensus. Those who disagree: say your piece and I will listen.

I think Sloonei’s 3P.

Note that when Tony voiced a non-civilian take on Sloonei, he went first to independent.

I thought Sloonei fit the bill when Tony brought it up, but consider how this idea comes to exist in the first place. Why is this the first place Tony goes? Don't buy it.

[speedchuck]

Ok. So Jay is wolf based on behaviour and you suspect Sloonei as his team mate.
These were exactly my town reads and now I have to change them to trust you.

Talk to me about everyone please. I have to read few pages and I should return to reread, I dropped that because I worked yesterday and I am sorry.

@Michelle @juliets @Sloonei @tedxtr

Like look at the things Jay says and ask yourself

"Is this a player who is getting fooled left and right and is about to lose the game after his teammate basically gave the whole team the middle finger or is this a player that is trying to push the next mislynch/antispew?"

Because I'm seeing Juliets being upset. I'm seeing Michelle being upset. I'm seeing Speed being upset. Maybe those things are faked but Jay's throwing out smiley emojis and giving life advice like everything's going according to plan. Cause it is. Cause he's a wolf and he can't help it.

I don't know how to be any more convincing than this. It's right in front of your faces. Probably two of you have alignment reasons to not listen but the other two of you ought to.

I am thinking at the 3 townies who litteraly gave up and the last one threw the game for a reason I don't understand.
I can't see a good part in JJJ now. Not at all.

All that he says is fitting a wolf profile from what i learned from my mentor. It's interesting how Jack used similar words without knowing this.

Jay putting my name in orange and working with a fake Poe is a bad thing. He is not teamworking with any villager, he is dictating reads. It would be sad to be a villager with this kind of behaviour.

Whoa nellie that's a quick change of heart.

[speedchuck]

Jack hounded me and everyone else to vote for Jay and now I wonder if he tracked Jay and saw him target someone who died that night. He was just so sure. So, I'm going to vote for Jay this morning but I will still dig on others. If Jay is bad I think he's got to be on the Master's team.

I mean, maybe, but I don't think that would be necessary at all for Jack's read to be like it is. This line reeks of 'false because.'

Like, oh, I was sooo against the Jay lynch but now I see because of Jack's roleflip, and I'll vote accordingly. Like you're looking for a hard-coded, info-driven 'reason' to change your mind organically.

Bleh.

[speedchuck]

I still have nothing on Tony or Tranq other than what's been said by Jay today. They just feel like voids in my head.

I suspect everyone but Epi.

Really hope Jay isn't Aketchi.

[speedchuck]

Jay, that would mean all 3 people at the bottom level of Inception day were bad.

It sure would. There's no reason why that can't be. Neither Tony nor Tranq would be sig's teammates, and sig was the Inception architect.

So just to clarify, you think sig picked all three players at the bottom level? I know in the original you guys had 1 bad, 1 civ, 1 indie at that level.

I don't know what sig picked. He may have picked none or some or all. What matters here is that regardless of how it worked, there are zero reasons in existence that prevent two Master mafia team members from being in the bottom level with sig.

It just seems unbalanced. The two Masters people would obviously lynch the third non-Master even without the S~V~S reveal of sig.

It wouldn't matter because A. sig was set up to be lynched by the Mac lynch anyway, and B. there were only 3 people on that level, so nobody would get lynched there regardless.

[juliets]

Jack hounded me and everyone else to vote for Jay and now I wonder if he tracked Jay and saw him target someone who died that night. He was just so sure. So, I'm going to vote for Jay this morning but I will still dig on others. If Jay is bad I think he's got to be on the Master's team.

I mean, maybe, but I don't think that would be necessary at all for Jack's read to be like it is. This line reeks of 'false because.'

Like, oh, I was sooo against the Jay lynch but now I see because of Jack's roleflip, and I'll vote accordingly. Like you're looking for a hard-coded, info-driven 'reason' to change your mind organically.

Bleh.

speed, did you read my posts yesterday? Before Jack died? I almost voted for Jay then, not based on hard-coded, info-driven reasons. My vote for him today does not hang on my conjecture that Jack targeted him but I think it's a very real possibility.

[juliets]

Also [mention]speedchuck[/mention], it feels like you are trying to dissuade me from speculating based on what we know about Jack. Why would you want to do that? We should all be throwing out thoughts based on whatever we have, our gut, our thoughts about a dead person, thread evidence, whatever to try and solve - at least those of us who are civs should be.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I believe Sloonei and juliets are civilians. That hasn't always been the consensus. Those who disagree: say your piece and I will listen.

I think Sloonei’s 3P.

Note that when Tony voiced a non-civilian take on Sloonei, he went first to independent.

I thought Sloonei fit the bill when Tony brought it up, but consider how this idea comes to exist in the first place. Why is this the first place Tony goes? Don't buy it.

you said they were town

[TonyStarkPrime]

I have no hope to contribute much this phase. I don’t think it’s JJJ, or at least I don’t think he’s master team with Sloonei. We should consider lynching AM suspects today, of which JJJ is one.