Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[Michelle]

I have no hope to contribute much this phase. I don’t think it’s JJJ, or at least I don’t think he’s master team with Sloonei. We should consider lynching AM suspects today, of which JJJ is one.

Can you explain where do you see the connection between JJJ and the AM?

He is alive.
Therefore he is an AM suspect.

Just this? Can't be there another thing to spot after so many days of playing?

Give me any argument for anyone being the AM.

Not at 3 am for me, sorry, i'll come later and make the compatibility thing from my pov.

I thought you wouldn't answer with a question at my request of explaining why Jay as AM looks so obvious for you :/

[TonyStarkPrime]

I have no hope to contribute much this phase. I don’t think it’s JJJ, or at least I don’t think he’s master team with Sloonei. We should consider lynching AM suspects today, of which JJJ is one.

Can you explain where do you see the connection between JJJ and the AM?

He is alive.
Therefore he is an AM suspect.

Just this? Can't be there another thing to spot after so many days of playing?

Give me any argument for anyone being the AM.

Not at 3 am for me, sorry, i'll come later and make the compatibility thing from my pov.

I thought you wouldn't answer with a question at my request of explaining why Jay as AM looks so obvious for you :/

I don’t think Jay is a great AM suspect, but I don’t think there’s anything, barring me forgetting an early interaction, that seriously bars anyone from being on that team. Jay receiving substantial push from what I assume is the Masters team if he isn’t a Master — though he’s right that Sloonei has his back — gives some credence to him being slightly more likely.

[juliets]

I just don't think Jay would have bussed two teammates. I know the Radish suspicion mirrors his bus of Elo in Transistors but two bussed teammates? I doubt it.

[TonyStarkPrime]

We need to consider take V bomb as always, but I just realized that there’s a townie tie breaker, so it’s not that bad.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I just don't think Jay would have bussed two teammates. I know the Radish suspicion mirrors his bus of Elo in Transistors but two bussed teammates? I doubt it.

Was he super on the Radish lynch Day 1? I don’t remember.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Okay I’m voting for Jay. If he flips scum, WIFOM coin flip on Tranq? Who knows.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I wouldn’t be doing this if I thought I’d be around seriously tomorrow. I want this day to be as productive as possible.

[juliets]

I just don't think Jay would have bussed two teammates. I know the Radish suspicion mirrors his bus of Elo in Transistors but two bussed teammates? I doubt it.

Was he super on the Radish lynch Day 1? I don’t remember.

Let me go back and look but my memory is he was on him early Day 1.

linki - yeah I just got a call from my boss and they are sending a boatload of stuff to me tonight that has to be done tomorrow so I'd rather do this tonight.

[Michelle]

Can someone make a post with known/presumed night actions and whith the NKs coming from what team?
Is hard for me on phone and compared with the vote polls may give some clues.

I'm back to sleep now.

[juliets]

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]

Jay published a read list on Night 0 giving Radish a minus.

Then this was his first post about him, still Night 0.

Radish has made a decent number of posts and none of them have inspired any feeling in me, so that's a net negative.

He went on from there. I don't believe he ever saw Radish as anything but scum. [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] correct me if I am wrong.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Replace juliets with Epignosis in the elimination. He's more likely to be a Master[b***er] than she is.

[Epignosis]

Replace juliets with Epignosis in the elimination. He's more likely to be a Master[b***er] than she is.

Agreed.

Luckily I only injured my left hand today and not my right.

[Epignosis]

No guitar for me for a few days though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

ted for Anti-Monitor. Perhaps Michelle for her unwillingness to communicate with me on a level plane today.

[juliets]

Replace juliets with Epignosis in the elimination. He's more likely to be a Master[b***er] than she is.

Agreed.

Luckily I only injured my left hand today and not my right.

What happened?

[Epignosis]

I think I’d rather vote for Epi maybe

[Epignosis]

Replace juliets with Epignosis in the elimination. He's more likely to be a Master[b***er] than she is.

Agreed.

Luckily I only injured my left hand today and not my right.

What happened?

I did the shopping today. Needed a bunch of butter for cakes. We shop at a place that doesn't use bags (Aldi), so I have the butter box. I load it up with a bunch of stuff thinking I'll load it all in at once. I lost my grip and the box smashed my hand against the bottom of the cart. I think I jammed two fingers. It's fine doing most things, but I have little grip for the time being. I'll be fine. But it is surprising what everyday things make you say "Ow."

[JaggedJimmyJay]

ted for Anti-Monitor. Perhaps Michelle for her unwillingness to communicate with me on a level plane today.

Naw make Michelle the emergency Master team alternate. She doesn't work with sig. Make speedchuck the AM alternate.

[juliets]

The good news is they had the butter you needed! I'll quit now, we're doing serious business here.

[Epignosis]

I've not had a chance to look through Sloonei today, so let me do that. Efficiency is key.

[Epignosis]

The good news is they had the butter you needed! I'll quit now, we're doing serious business here.

That's really true.

[TonyStarkPrime]

ted for Anti-Monitor. Perhaps Michelle for her unwillingness to communicate with me on a level plane today.

Whoever refuses to stare you in the eye is scum if you’re town and scum if you’re scum. Which maybe means it’s a bad dichotomy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

ted for Anti-Monitor. Perhaps Michelle for her unwillingness to communicate with me on a level plane today.

Whoever refuses to stare you in the eye is scum if you’re town and scum if you’re scum. Which maybe means it’s a bad dichotomy.

Please restate that, typos may be confusing me

[Epignosis]

ted for Anti-Monitor. Perhaps Michelle for her unwillingness to communicate with me on a level plane today.

Whoever refuses to stare you in the eye is scum if you’re town and scum if you’re scum. Which maybe means it’s a bad dichotomy.

There are no certain civilians with JJJ. That's a major problem at this stage. By now he would have clear opinions. Fickle. Would not touch. Would not even give him a stimulus package check.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

ted for Anti-Monitor. Perhaps Michelle for her unwillingness to communicate with me on a level plane today.

Whoever refuses to stare you in the eye is scum if you’re town and scum if you’re scum. Which maybe means it’s a bad dichotomy.

There are no certain civilians with JJJ. That's a major problem at this stage. By now he would have clear opinions. Fickle. Would not touch. Would not even give him a stimulus package check.

Epignosis is a suspect for wasting time talking about me when I already have a 7-1 poll lead

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also you have no idea what I have posted you arse

[TonyStarkPrime]

ted for Anti-Monitor. Perhaps Michelle for her unwillingness to communicate with me on a level plane today.

Whoever refuses to stare you in the eye is scum if you’re town and scum if you’re scum. Which maybe means it’s a bad dichotomy.

No proofreading done here.
Longer form: refusing to engage with someone you’re voting for, or refusal to own your vote, or things of that nature, is commonly used as a scum tell. But I’m not sure it’s particularly effective. That’s all.

[TonyStarkPrime]

ted for Anti-Monitor. Perhaps Michelle for her unwillingness to communicate with me on a level plane today.

Whoever refuses to stare you in the eye is scum if you’re town and scum if you’re scum. Which maybe means it’s a bad dichotomy.

There are no certain civilians with JJJ. That's a major problem at this stage. By now he would have clear opinions. Fickle. Would not touch. Would not even give him a stimulus package check.

Epignosis is a suspect for wasting time talking about me when I already have a 7-1 poll lead

We were at that point yesterday, I think.

[Epignosis]

Also you have no idea what I have posted you arse

Not true. I've read. I'm not at work. I'm home.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

ted for Anti-Monitor. Perhaps Michelle for her unwillingness to communicate with me on a level plane today.

Whoever refuses to stare you in the eye is scum if you’re town and scum if you’re scum. Which maybe means it’s a bad dichotomy.

No proofreading done here.
Longer form: refusing to engage with someone you’re voting for, or refusal to own your vote, or things of that nature, is commonly used as a scum tell. But I’m not sure it’s particularly effective. That’s all.

To be clear I don't think Michelle has avoided engaging with me. I think she made up her mind and our recent exchanges exist more to fill space than to develop her view

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also you have no idea what I have posted you arse

Not true. I've read. I'm not at work. I'm home.

Then you should know that what you just said isn't true.

[Epignosis]

And anyway I have multiple tabs open. I'm also responding to things in real time. Like I always do.

[Epignosis]

Also you have no idea what I have posted you arse

Not true. I've read. I'm not at work. I'm home.

Then you should know that what you just said isn't true.

Name one person who has been a constant civilian in your mind for at least the last three phases.

[Epignosis]

I'm not reviewing Sloonei and juliets. I'm passing that one by FYI. If you're interested you can do it yourself.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also you have no idea what I have posted you arse

Not true. I've read. I'm not at work. I'm home.

Then you should know that what you just said isn't true.

Name one person who has been a constant civilian in your mind for at least the last three phases.

juliets has been that person for nearly the entire game. When I stuck her in that elimination pool I even said something along the lines of "I don't see this at all, but other people do so do what you must"

[Epignosis]

Sloonei has 69 posts mentioning Michelle. Just saying.

[Epignosis]

Also you have no idea what I have posted you arse

Not true. I've read. I'm not at work. I'm home.

Then you should know that what you just said isn't true.

Name one person who has been a constant civilian in your mind for at least the last three phases.

juliets has been that person for nearly the entire game. When I stuck her in that elimination pool I even said something along the lines of "I don't see this at all, but other people do so do what you must"

Adverbs man. Adverbs.

You aren't a civilian.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Adverbs man. Adverbs.

You aren't a civilian.

You are a broken record. Get a new shtick dude

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I want to know everyone's JJJ has flipped civilian, oh crap, now what? reads.

[Epignosis]

Adverbs man. Adverbs.

You aren't a civilian.

You are a broken record. Get a new shtick dude

Broken records are right twice a day.

[Epignosis]

Sloonei's shit is a pain in the ass to go through.

I'm going to post some highlights as I locate them (probably in reverse order).

The most interesting development in this final section for sure is the improvement of Tony's status. I'd be willing to bump him up to a green shade on the rainbow. I also had one point in favor of Epi after several shrugs, so I'll move him up to a light green as well. Ted moves down to orange pending further review. I'm adding a green tier to separate moderate reads from mild. Tiers themselves are not internally ranked. Final results:

Jack
Dom
juliets
Jay
Michelle
nanook
Tony
G-man
Tranq
Epi
Ted
speedchuck
Colin
Turnip Head

I came into this exercise having felt good about Turnip Head for much of the game, so his placement at the bottom comes as a bit of a surprise. The orange names are all low-key presences in this ISO that would require more investigation to parse out. Epi and Tranq are favorable reads that could easily change. Everyone above that feels like a stretch. Jay and Michelle are probably the least confident names in the middle green tier (Jay just because of who he is; Michelle because there wasn't all that much content, but there were multiple occasions where I felt good about her), but based on the evidence I have seen I would not be inclined to suspect them in association with Mac. The top three names are absolutely not on a team with Mac.

Jack was good. Dom was good. I believe juliets is good. We can no duh that I think.

Jay and Michelle are probably the least confident names in the middle green tier (Jay just because of who he is; Michelle because there wasn't all that much content, but there were multiple occasions where I felt good about her), but based on the evidence I have seen I would not be inclined to suspect them in association with Mac.

That looks like a horseshit comment to me. In both instances, Sloonei goes out of his way to throw a chasm between both of them and MacDougall.

[Epignosis]

It’s obviously Jay and Sloonei. Like annoyingly obviously Jay and Sloonei.

Oof

[Epignosis]

I want to know everyone's JJJ has flipped civilian, oh crap, now what? reads.

I'm going to level with you. It's going to be

Spoiler: show

Am I really a civilian or is LC and BR fucking with us again?

[juliets]

I can't make it any longer, I'll be back in the morning.

[Epignosis]

Is anybody even here to talk?

[Epignosis]

Okay then. That sucks. See you tomorrow evening.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Is anybody even here to talk?

You've made this comment 20 times. You don't need people to chat. There's a huge thread right here.

[Michelle]

Is anybody even here to talk?

You've made this comment 20 times. You don't need people to chat. There's a huge thread right here.

Morning JJJ, you complained I didn't interact with you sir? I am confused. AMA

Btw if in the huge thread there you didn't find the evidence I am not mafia I am sorry, if you are a villager, you need to better filter the available infos. But is perfectly understandable if you are mafia, so my vote doesn't change.

[Michelle]

It's just my luck, when I sleep i can't play. Maybe you can.

I missed you two but it was 5 am for me.

[tedxtr]

I think juliets makes the most sense as a wolf with sloonei based on previous day play. I expect the last one to be someone in between TSP / Tranq. Michelle is probably almost never mafia here unless she's changed her game drastically. There's still this feeling of me being wrong on her that I can't shake, but it's probably caused more by other people's thoughts on her which I relate to, except that what they're scum reading her for is what I town read her for. The hiatus makes me paranoid about her competency as scum potentially rising, which is why I have this paranoia, but I don't think she'd evolve up to this level in a few months, plus, she like...always rands town. She doesn't have high presence as either alignment.

I've briefly skimmed Sloonei's tranq posts and I've concluded he actually has decent odds at a partner with him. Whenever I read a Sloonei post that has tranq in it, I just can't help but think that it's a wolf trying to get his lurker wolf into the game. At times, he has taken a stance on him (which was defending him against Nanook's accusation) and what I later found out to be spicy was that, even though Sloonei mentioned not having any game experience with Tranq, he still spent most of his time trying to get him to play the game as if he had experience with Tranq and wanted to sort him - he even took a further step of mentioning him and asking him to come play - and when you take that into account, the "this is a wolf helping a wolf post" is just so out there. What would be the motivation to get Tranq, a lurker, in a 26 player list or how many it was, to post in order to sort him - even though you have no past meta with him - instead of tailing down your own reads?

Just think about it, when has a town ever expressed interest in wanting to hear from a lurker if they had no past experience with them? You only do if there's an underlying reason. Sure, you may do this in later stages of the game, but so early? There's a lot more other things to focus on.

I kind of have nothing on TSP to be honest, I remember him being awkward early game, some mechanical reasoning here and there, but no real push. I think he actually fits the neutral description better than anyone else. I don't think sig places his AM on the same dream level as him, especially if it's Tony, a lurker slot that always can be considered as bait, all it took was someone like me to unravel the mechanics behind sig's power and then actually pulling through with the plan, making it a 50/50 chance to kill his AM. I think he'd be a lot more weary because mechanics have always been a point of interest and this one in particular is fairly easy to solve. I don't think he's AM. I'm not sure if he'd be on the master's team, but nothing about his play and interactions makes me think he is. I think he's the one civilian / neutral lean that I'd probably never lynch. If he is an indie then he probably has a wincondition of staying alive til endgame until the other factions win and he just wins with them anyway. There's 2 masters and 1 AM that we have to worry about, this seems like a worthless pursuit.