Except there was no need of me to even mention that I suspected you and Michelle coming into Day 1. I keep that to myself, and we don't have this conversation at all.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:26 pmI was putting it in the context of Mac v Epi, as Mac was pushing the suspicion of Epi. Of the two, I feel better about Mac, even though I am not sure I agree with him. But I don't see bad Mac going hard after Epi day 1 with a bullshit case (and in this game, any case a baddie makes is a bullshit case). For one thing, I am not sure I buy his answer about why he felt she & I were teammates. It read to me like he was trying to set me up as a preemptive teammate of hers should she be lynched and flip bad. Plus the fact that Epi had to be pushed to answer the question three times (why he thought Michelle and I were teammates, once by nutella and twice by me) is also part of why I am wary of him. If plays into that same preemptive set up feel I got from him.M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:14 pmI want to town read SVS for this train of thought despite not agreeing with it.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:51 amYeah, I am kinda "why" about this, too.
When I answered your question about the DH since this is something I know, and feel very strongly about, Michelle acted like this was somehow sooper helpful information, when the host told us it was a flavor theme. My post was borderline OT banter and it gave me a chance to be pedantic, lol.
That was the extent of our interaction before I said I thought she seemed to be trying too hard.
If Epi thinks I, as a baddie in a format I am not comfortable with, would engage in fluffing with my teammates in thread, well, he don't know me at all do he? and I don't really know Michelles game, but from what people said about her in the Champs game, I gather she is a good player, is fluffing her teammates something she is known to do? It seems like a bizarre thing for baddies to do.
So yeah, not sure why he would think that.
Re Mac v Epi, I don't agree with everything Mac says on a quick skim, but I think he really believes it. So I feel good about him, between the two I am more wary of Epi.
Back to catch up.
Personally, I think suspicions that are based on whether someone should know something or not are grasping at straws.
Why would you say that between the two you’re more wary of Epi? You had just said you town read Mac, so why would you need to choose between the two?
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I'm really trying to see how Michelle's posts could be coming from town, because the last thing I want is for a leading wagon all day to not be thoroughly questioned, but I'm increasingly finding it hard to envision it myself. Too many posts read forced.
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Hey, I did say briefly.

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Ok. What I meant, in layman's terms, by "I'm not hopping on the train over it", is that I don't suspect Michelle enough to vote for her. I was continuing the train analogy. You started it.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:50 pmOkLong Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:48 pmIt was about understanding Dizzy's perspective on why "you don't have a reason to think I'm scum" could look bad. Michelle accused Dizzy of illogic, and I don't agree. My opinion on it is that it's slightly scummy-looking when framed like that, but I'm not hopping on the train over it.
So now that you have begun to understand various reasons people suspect Michelle, how do you feel about her?


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See, the problem is I'm still not really sure what your exact reasoning is. I don't understand how it's possible from your POV to conclude that Dizzy's interpretation of your post is only scum-compatible.
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Do it nutella. Brief universes. Chop-chop.

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Not to be Teamy-teamy with Michelle "even more", but since when does a suspicion have to be 100% all-or-nothing?


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Maybe I'm being dense, but I'm having trouble seeing it that way.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:52 pmActually, you're right. Dizzy really took it out of context. "... looks like you want to shade me but you can't because you don't have any reason to scum read me." That's talking about S~V~S' perspective, it's not telling her that she doesn't have a reason to scum read you, it's the reason why her shade is weak.Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:46 pmno, because he starts from the idea I am scum so he is 'sure' about the read. This is scum tactic, not my observation who just wanted to check Svs's idea there. And look how he pretends he can read me well. I sense it as a fake read made by scum.Spoiler: show
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I just don't understand because it felt like everyone was ignoring my post about Nanook, except nutella.
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That's not true.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:54 pmYou have yet to state what your reasons were for voting Michelle. What am I to think?Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:51 pmDid you really think that? I vote people out of the gate all of the time. Yet in this particular scenario, I got caught in a trap? What trap? What's Michelle's alignment? What's Dyslexicon's alignment?
Girl please.
Shortly thereafter, S~V~S slid into Michelle, and I changed my mind.
It's all quite civilianesque and reasonable.

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That's a good question. I'd like her to elaborate on it. Based on posts she's made about Dizzy, she hasn't really given me reason to believe she thinks that his actions there are town-compatible though.
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Maybe I am an idiot who don't understand but since I know I am town your wording is very bad for my eyes.M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:47 pmHow do you feel Michelle would be replying to your suspicion if she were town?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:37 pmWhy? I don't think she sounds anything like her towny self. Her shade of me is grasping at straws.
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I am not even Esl so I may get things wrong but the way you put it is like you lock me scum and I wish to know why.
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This is absolutely reaching. I'm talking to Dizzy, who has a perspective that you ARE scum.Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:05 pmMaybe I am an idiot who don't understand but since I know I am town your wording is very bad for my eyes.M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:47 pmHow do you feel Michelle would be replying to your suspicion if she were town?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:37 pmWhy? I don't think she sounds anything like her towny self. Her shade of me is grasping at straws.
/cents.
I am not even Esl so I may get things wrong but the way you put it is like you lock me scum and I wish to know why.
It's called subjunctive mood.
These kind of posts are why I read you as scum. They aren't genuine. You're just throwing shade everywhere.
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it didn't ping me, probably for a reason. Quote it to me please and I will tell you why.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:39 pmhmmmm I dislike this postMichelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:34 pmi dislike this post. Why do you like an oppinion who it's not true? The reasoning Dizzy posted to vote me it's not a townish way to put things.M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:15 pmI like this post.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:10 amSecond, this is scum language. It's "you don't have a reason to think I'm scum" instead of "I'm town".
I also agree that Michelle vibes kawaiii in the worst way in the very start of the game.
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I can say "i am town" but I don't trust anyone would believe it. My idea was correct because when someone scumreads based on shallow reasons I have to question the reasons of the read. Svs explained well after we interacted her thoughts, Dizzy took an opportunity to cast a bad vote.![]()
why isn't MP allowed to agree with Dizzy? also, I made a post nearly identical to this, quoting dizzy and agreeing, and you didn't acknowledge it
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I feel pretty good about killing Michelle now, actually. That post sealed it for me.
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The real irony is that I've been trying to feel out Michelle this entire time and I had in no way ever locked her as scum until that post was made.
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Everywhere is too much of a strech, sir! You started to tunnel me and if you think I am not genuine you are extremely wrong.M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:06 pmThis is absolutely reaching. I'm talking to Dizzy, who has a perspective that you ARE scum.Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:05 pmMaybe I am an idiot who don't understand but since I know I am town your wording is very bad for my eyes.M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:47 pmHow do you feel Michelle would be replying to your suspicion if she were town?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:37 pmWhy? I don't think she sounds anything like her towny self. Her shade of me is grasping at straws.
/cents.
I am not even Esl so I may get things wrong but the way you put it is like you lock me scum and I wish to know why.
It's called subjunctive mood.
These kind of posts are why I read you as scum. They aren't genuine. You're just throwing shade everywhere.
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I think we never played before so you know nothing about me but you don't bother to find out.
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Tell me more.
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If your suspicion was entirely predicated on them being teammates, is there a reason you chose Michelle over SVS?Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:02 pmThat's not true.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:54 pmYou have yet to state what your reasons were for voting Michelle. What am I to think?Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:51 pmDid you really think that? I vote people out of the gate all of the time. Yet in this particular scenario, I got caught in a trap? What trap? What's Michelle's alignment? What's Dyslexicon's alignment?
Girl please.
Shortly thereafter, S~V~S slid into Michelle, and I changed my mind.
It's all quite civilianesque and reasonable.![]()
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I will gladly admit that I've tunneled plenty of times and it's turned out with mixed results, so I'm open to re-considering if you can supply me with the reason to do so.Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:12 pmEverywhere is too much of a strech, sir! You started to tunnel me and if you think I am not genuine you are extremely wrong.M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:06 pmThis is absolutely reaching. I'm talking to Dizzy, who has a perspective that you ARE scum.Spoiler: show
It's called subjunctive mood.
These kind of posts are why I read you as scum. They aren't genuine. You're just throwing shade everywhere.
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I think we never played before so you know nothing about me but you don't bother to find out.
I don't believe we have either, but I enjoy playing with new people.
Self-meta is a thing, and I'll take it for what it's worth, but how would you say your town game differs from your scum game?
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Well if this comes down to english grammar I admit I never learned it, and i never studied this language. Wanna hung me for this?
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OK now I think this is sort of unfair. I completely understand how Michelle read your post that way.M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:06 pmThis is absolutely reaching. I'm talking to Dizzy, who has a perspective that you ARE scum.Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:05 pmMaybe I am an idiot who don't understand but since I know I am town your wording is very bad for my eyes.M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:47 pmHow do you feel Michelle would be replying to your suspicion if she were town?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:37 pmWhy? I don't think she sounds anything like her towny self. Her shade of me is grasping at straws.
/cents.
I am not even Esl so I may get things wrong but the way you put it is like you lock me scum and I wish to know why.
It's called subjunctive mood.
These kind of posts are why I read you as scum. They aren't genuine. You're just throwing shade everywhere.
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Hi, Nanook! I'm talking about you now. Or, to you, rather. What are your reads?
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Better groomingM Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:54 pmThis is good to know, thanks. I tend to find that sort of play suspicious, but from what you're saying it sounds like it's essentially just NAI.
How does town Nanook set himself apart from scum?
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You’re >rand town, I kinda like dizzy but I wouldn’t gamble on it, no other reads right nowM Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:15 pmHi, Nanook! I'm talking about you now. Or, to you, rather. What are your reads?
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Ask Nutella and she will say this to you.M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:14 pmI will gladly admit that I've tunneled plenty of times and it's turned out with mixed results, so I'm open to re-considering if you can supply me with the reason to do so.Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:12 pmEverywhere is too much of a strech, sir! You started to tunnel me and if you think I am not genuine you are extremely wrong.M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:06 pmThis is absolutely reaching. I'm talking to Dizzy, who has a perspective that you ARE scum.Spoiler: show
It's called subjunctive mood.
These kind of posts are why I read you as scum. They aren't genuine. You're just throwing shade everywhere.
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I think we never played before so you know nothing about me but you don't bother to find out.
I don't believe we have either, but I enjoy playing with new people.
Self-meta is a thing, and I'll take it for what it's worth, but how would you say your town game differs from your scum game?
I disagree with self meta as much as I disagree with day 1 associative reads.
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You know what, let's just drop it.
I understand how a thread can become hostile towards a townie, and I don't want us to just pummel you into the ground if you are indeed town.
Talk to me more about your reads. I'm sorry I don't quite understand your Dizzy one. Maybe I'll ISO you to see if I can obtain a better understanding another time around.
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Yes but I failed to make myself understood though.

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The real irony is you are wrong and I even can't say I town read you for being so content to "find" me scum.
You know, i am sure your game experience is incomparable bigger than mine so I am sure locking scum someone so easy it's not a thing to do when you know so much about this game.
From this comes my doubt about you.
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This is why I want to drop it. I realized that I was now being hypocritical by not more critically analyzing your posts for the possible perspective that you are town.Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:25 pmThe real irony is you are wrong and I even can't say I town read you for being so content to "find" me scum.
You know, i am sure your game experience is incomparable bigger than mine so I am sure locking scum someone so easy it's not a thing to do when you know so much about this game.
From this comes my doubt about you.
We're talking way past each other at this point. I am not trying to come across as though I've locked you scum anymore nor am I trying to say I know everything. That is most certainly not the case.
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S~V~S is the one more likely to yell at me.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:13 pmIf your suspicion was entirely predicated on them being teammates, is there a reason you chose Michelle over SVS?Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:02 pmThat's not true.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:54 pmYou have yet to state what your reasons were for voting Michelle. What am I to think?Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:51 pmDid you really think that? I vote people out of the gate all of the time. Yet in this particular scenario, I got caught in a trap? What trap? What's Michelle's alignment? What's Dyslexicon's alignment?
Girl please.
Shortly thereafter, S~V~S slid into Michelle, and I changed my mind.
It's all quite civilianesque and reasonable.![]()

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Dizzy felt unnatural for me. I need to Iso and explain again but for me is 11:40 pm, I am phone posting and i would do it in the morning.M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:17 pmYou know what, let's just drop it.
I understand how a thread can become hostile towards a townie, and I don't want us to just pummel you into the ground if you are indeed town.
Talk to me more about your reads. I'm sorry I don't quite understand your Dizzy one. Maybe I'll ISO you to see if I can obtain a better understanding another time around.
I will explain where I am at with the reads for everyone in random order.
If we take everyone until now, Nutella still leans town, you idk honestly, i hope you are villager but I need a day at least to see where your pushes are going (assuming I am alive until next day).
Nanook is pretty calm but hard to read so he is null, LC i liked how he posted leans town, Svs i think it's my best town read, Mac can be villager too.
Epi idk, the vote on me looked bad but would scum Epi vote me in the first post? More likely he wanted to check me than hung me.
Dizzy I think is scum.
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Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [DAY 1]
So you only see it as Michelle saying "You shouldn't be accusing me because you have no reason to scum read me."M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:00 pmMaybe I'm being dense, but I'm having trouble seeing it that way.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:52 pmActually, you're right. Dizzy really took it out of context. "... looks like you want to shade me but you can't because you don't have any reason to scum read me." That's talking about S~V~S' perspective, it's not telling her that she doesn't have a reason to scum read you, it's the reason why her shade is weak.Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:46 pmno, because he starts from the idea I am scum so he is 'sure' about the read. This is scum tactic, not my observation who just wanted to check Svs's idea there. And look how he pretends he can read me well. I sense it as a fake read made by scum.Spoiler: show


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Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [DAY 1]
I guess that saying you took Michelle's post out of context to accuse her put it over the top, huh?


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Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [DAY 1]
I don't know what mean by this. I have only skimmed, but there's some sort of fire burning in Michelle, so maybe she's town. Also she's right when she said I assumed she was scum from the start, cause I did get scum vibes from her from the very beginning.
But like, you naughty. How do you plead?
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All this to say, I'll do stuff tomorrow.
Why is MP town reading me? Should he be doing that?
So many questions. Mac, SVS and Nut still town.
Why is MP town reading me? Should he be doing that?
So many questions. Mac, SVS and Nut still town.
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Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [DAY 1]
Nanook is also probably town, but lol
Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [DAY 1]
Well I only have one vote.

I don't foresee voting for you today.
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Re: Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [DAY 1]
MP7 stamped me a civilian very easily and invoked the subjunctive mood to call Michelle bad.
Discuss.
Discuss.
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