Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [DAY 3]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You know ive sheeped or offered to sheep like 4 people this game

But it only makes me non-partners with one of those people?

I only recall two off-hand, nutella and S~V~S. There's more to a read than that. Context and various other interactive nuggets play a role.

You sure spend a lot of time talking about others' Nanook reads and considerably less talking about anything else.

Yep, I’m a vain player

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It just seems weird to me that with Nutella I’m buddying, but with LC I’m open wolfing. Tbh the biggest distinction I can see is that you’re predisposed to SRing LC but you aren’t with Nutella.

I also have no idea why you're drawing a dichotomy between those two people.

I’m using it as an example of you unevenly applying logic in determining who I make sense as a partner with

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It just seems weird to me that with Nutella I’m buddying, but with LC I’m open wolfing. Tbh the biggest distinction I can see is that you’re predisposed to SRing LC but you aren’t with Nutella.

I also have no idea why you're drawing a dichotomy between those two people.

I’m using it as an example of you unevenly applying logic in determining who I make sense as a partner with

What's the connection between those two that relates to my reads?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It just seems weird to me that with Nutella I’m buddying, but with LC I’m open wolfing. Tbh the biggest distinction I can see is that you’re predisposed to SRing LC but you aren’t with Nutella.

I also have no idea why you're drawing a dichotomy between those two people.

I’m using it as an example of you unevenly applying logic in determining who I make sense as a partner with

What's the connection between those two that relates to my reads?

Ffs I’ve already said this. Your treatment of my sheeping/sheeping offers.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Ffs I’ve already said this. Your treatment of my sheeping/sheeping offers.

I don't care about your "FFS". If I have questions that I don't feel have been fully answered I am going to ask them. Complaining isn't going to make me doing anything different.

When did you "sheep" Long Con?

[Michelle]

Morning. While catching up i am thinking at the last 3 minutes before the close of the poll

The poll were (not spoilering it to be seen):
at :27 i copy-pasted it in my note app:

You may select 1 option
Dyslexicon

1

7% Voters: Long Con

Epignosis

2

14% Voters: nutella, MacDougall

Long Con

2

14% Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, Dyslexicon

M Plus 7

0

No votes Voters: None

MacDougall

2

14% Voters: M Plus 7, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Michelle

1

7% Voters: S~V~SNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

0

No votes Voters: None

nutella

2

14% Voters: Michelle, Epignosis

S~V~S

0

No votes Voters: None

No One

0

No votes Voters: NoneJose Canseco (Host/non)

4

29% Voters: G-Man, juliets, Turnip Head, Sloonei 

Total votes: 14

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ffs I’ve already said this. Your treatment of my sheeping/sheeping offers.

I don't care about your "FFS". If I have questions that I don't feel have been fully answered I am going to ask them. Complaining isn't going to make me doing anything different.

When did you "sheep" Long Con?

He said why not sheep him, I said OK then realized he had no vote down.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Does that FULLY answer your question?

For someone looking for partner interactions that was not a hard one to find tbh

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What do you think of Epignosis?

I’m voting for him

Fair enough, the blind sheeping. You place a lot of faith in nutella, how is she so town to you?

Someone has to be

Maybe it could be me?

Sure, why not, let’s do it

If you're talking about this, it's nothing and I am offended that you're telling me I should care about it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Does that FULLY answer your question?

For someone looking for partner interactions that was not a hard one to find tbh

You sure do a lot of griping about other people's work while doing very little of it yourself

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The single most annoying thing in Mafia:

This guy did a thing and as a result of the thing he suspects me, therefore the thing he did is worthless and should be discredited

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

What do you think of Epignosis?

I’m voting for him

Fair enough, the blind sheeping. You place a lot of faith in nutella, how is she so town to you?

Someone has to be

Maybe it could be me?

Sure, why not, let’s do it

If you're talking about this, it's nothing and I am offended that you're telling me I should care about it.

It’s not substantially different from my interactions with Nutella or SVS re: sheeping.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Does that FULLY answer your question?

For someone looking for partner interactions that was not a hard one to find tbh

You sure do a lot of griping about other people's work while doing very little of it yourself

I told you, I don’t dig I just watch others dig and criticize how they’re holding the shovel.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It’s not substantially different from my interactions with Nutella or SVS re: sheeping.

nutella was your first sheep and your most brazen sheep. Any ensuing sheeping was less meaningful and served only to sustain a pattern of sheeping.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Whatever you say chief

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Whatever you say chief

Yet again:

Who's bad?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also shame on you for putting me in a position to be stuck using that stupid lingo

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Whatever you say chief

Yet again:

Who's bad?

I’ve already given my reads, last time someone asked. They haven’t substantially changed.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Probably something like two of Epi/Michelle/Nutella/jay/LC

But, like, that’s not even narrow enough to call it a POE.

This took me all of a minute to find

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Whatever you say chief

Yet again:

Who's bad?

I’ve already given my reads, last time someone asked. They haven’t substantially changed.

Prove to me that you remember what those reads are. You have 15 seconds.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Those aren't reads. Good lord man.

Playing an opaque game is fine if it's your thing, but it does not benefit the civilians.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] why are S~V~S and M Plus 7 civilians?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Second most annoying thing in Mafia:

I already said something somewhere in my post history, therefore I should never have to repeat myself.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I play by POE, deal with it


Tbh I don’t remember most of my reads in games, I have to keep notes or ISO myself to remind myself of them on a fairly regularly basis.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I play by POE, deal with it

I do that too. Why do I struggle so much less to say things?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why are S~V~S and M Plus 7 civilians?

SVS had an interaction early on with someone that I thought was good, it felt like the right combination of feistiness and probing. I don’t remember who or where.

MP I’m TRing for free flowing process, I admittedly have a blind spot for scum that can manage that style but I tend to read it as town most of the time.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I play by POE, deal with it

I do that too. Why do I struggle so much less to say things?

You’re a better writer? Like we get it, you’re more eloquent, you’ve made that point, now fuck off with it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don’t remember who or where.

I bet if you looked it'd take you all of a minute to find.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I was indulging but now you’re just dangerously close to acting like a piece of shit, so I’m probably just going to disengage pretty soon unless you cut back on the being a dick routine.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I play by POE, deal with it

I do that too. Why do I struggle so much less to say things?

You’re a better writer? Like we get it, you’re more eloquent, you’ve made that point, now fuck off with it.

I am not "eloquent" and Epignosis loves to shit on my writing. I am not talking about "quality". Asking you questions is like pulling teeth and there's no reason it should be that way.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

To be clear I don’t think you’re a piece of shit or (mostly) a dick, I get this is your routine or whatever, but it’s fucking annoying sometimes.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I was indulging but now you’re just dangerously close to acting like a piece of shit, so I’m probably just going to disengage pretty soon unless you cut back on the being a dick routine.

Sorry I'm just irritated. I feel like you're pushing my buttons for your own amusement.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I play by POE, deal with it

I do that too. Why do I struggle so much less to say things?

You’re a better writer? Like we get it, you’re more eloquent, you’ve made that point, now fuck off with it.

I am not "eloquent" and Epignosis loves to shit on my writing. I am not talking about "quality". Asking you questions is like pulling teeth and there's no reason it should be that way.

Get over yourself

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I was indulging but now you’re just dangerously close to acting like a piece of shit, so I’m probably just going to disengage pretty soon unless you cut back on the being a dick routine.

Sorry I'm just irritated. I feel like you're pushing my buttons for your own amusement.

I’m genuinely trying to engage with you. I haven’t trolled you even a little bit. You do not make it easy to talk to you sometimes.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’s also a bit irritating to have you call me varying kinds of useless or bad and then say I’m the one pushing buttons, lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The source of my behavior, for now and all future iterations of this conversation (it has happened before):

I try my best to solve games. Sometimes I do well, and sometimes my reads go awry. All I can do is work as hard as I can to maximize my chances of getting things right. Very often I feel as though my effort to do so is met with indignance, tongues sticking out, and general attidues of fuck off JJJ, you're annoying.

And then when things go bad it's somehow my fault.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It’s also a bit irritating to have you call me varying kinds of useless or bad and then say I’m the one pushing buttons, lol

What I mean is that there's no good reason to say "took all of one minute to find" blah blah unless you're accusing me of something. Otherwise you're expecting me to have your posts memorized.

[Michelle]

I play by POE, deal with it


Tbh I don’t remember most of my reads in games, I have to keep notes or ISO myself to remind myself of them on a fairly regularly basis.

Spectating this banter I wish to know from Nanook what read he has about Jay and why. Sorry to butt in, hope you will not ignore me.

I have to work, catching up postponed.

Jay, what do you think about the last 3 mins changes of wagons?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sorry to butt in

Bless you for butting in

Jay, what do you think about the last 3 mins changes of wagons?

I probably think less of it than many. I rarely find "X saved Y" type suspicions compelling, and I don't think a last-minute hot potato (this barely qualifies as that) implies someone was being saved or whatever. More people viewed Mac as a viable lynch than viewed LC or others as a viable lynch. I viewed Mac as an acceptable choice too.

Generally I don't think votes are a great place to look for mafia. I may be unorthodox in that way, but I know from much experience that votes are the easiest thing mafia members can use to manipulate games. They're so easy to screw with and lead people on goose chases. So I focus on behavioral assessment more than votes.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’s also a bit irritating to have you call me varying kinds of useless or bad and then say I’m the one pushing buttons, lol

What I mean is that there's no good reason to say "took all of one minute to find" blah blah unless you're accusing me of something. Otherwise you're expecting me to have your posts memorized.

Yes there is. It’s called being snarky, and I am borderline incapable of not being snarky.

But more seriously, it’s not “you should have my posts memorized,” like fuck, I don’t even have my posts memorized and I wrote them, it’s more “this is the kind of thing you’re pointing out wrt other players so it’s weird that you didn’t find this one.”

Fwiw I used ctrl+f to find it cause I also didn’t know where it was lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I play by POE, deal with it


Tbh I don’t remember most of my reads in games, I have to keep notes or ISO myself to remind myself of them on a fairly regularly basis.

Spectating this banter I wish to know from Nanook what read he has about Jay and why. Sorry to butt in, hope you will not ignore me.

I have to work, catching up postponed.

Jay, what do you think about the last 3 mins changes of wagons?

Slightly >rand scum/in my oversized POE.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The source of my behavior, for now and all future iterations of this conversation (it has happened before):

I try my best to solve games. Sometimes I do well, and sometimes my reads go awry. All I can do is work as hard as I can to maximize my chances of getting things right. Very often I feel as though my effort to do so is met with indignance, tongues sticking out, and general attidues of fuck off JJJ, you're annoying.

And then when things go bad it's somehow my fault.

Fwiw, I don’t dismiss what you write.

You do sometimes give off an air of “i (or player x) have/has done more visible work than player y, so player y doesn’t get to criticize player x/player y doesn’t count as much.” Idk if that’s intentional or not, but it can be offputting and, at least for me, make me want to avoid direct engagement (and/or throw hands).

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sorry gang I was a bit of a prick last night. I woke up in a cold sweat and realized I'd forgotten to take my pill.

[Michelle]

Sorry to butt in

Bless you for butting in

Jay, what do you think about the last 3 mins changes of wagons?

I probably think less of it than many. I rarely find "X saved Y" type suspicions compelling, and I don't think a last-minute hot potato (this barely qualifies as that) implies someone was being saved or whatever. More people viewed Mac as a viable lynch than viewed LC or others as a viable lynch. I viewed Mac as an acceptable choice too.

Generally I don't think votes are a great place to look for mafia. I may be unorthodox in that way, but I know from much experience that votes are the easiest thing mafia members can use to manipulate games. They're so easy to screw with and lead people on goose chases. So I focus on behavioral assessment more than votes.

I think it's too early indeed to talk about this so soon but those 3 mins made me think if my vote was well placed and talking about it, not if I could change anything, I doubt now i voted a wolf. Nut was asking everyone to not vote Mac, if she would be wolf what good would bring to the pack to fight for the life of a villager?

I wonder if any wagon was for a wolf and if not, the change of votes was either an action of villagers, either made with wolves help.

[Michelle]

I play by POE, deal with it


Tbh I don’t remember most of my reads in games, I have to keep notes or ISO myself to remind myself of them on a fairly regularly basis.

Spectating this banter I wish to know from Nanook what read he has about Jay and why. Sorry to butt in, hope you will not ignore me.

I have to work, catching up postponed.

Jay, what do you think about the last 3 mins changes of wagons?

Slightly >rand scum/in my oversized POE.

why is your Poe oversized?

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

Ok I just got to work and everyone but me and my boss were laid off yesterday. I now have to sit at his assistants desk so odds of much posting from me are extremely reduced.

Hey Michelle. I would say this is why SVS is not here.

Agree, but still it saddens me she had no will to reevaluate. Because I reread my day 0 posts and her reaction wasn't correct, I wasn't hard trying.

That’s fair. I will say that SVS can be stubborn though.

M+7 defended few players during Eod and I wish to know how his Poe changed by Mac's green flip and what he thinks about the game now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What's your POE pool Michelle?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I play by POE, deal with it


Tbh I don’t remember most of my reads in games, I have to keep notes or ISO myself to remind myself of them on a fairly regularly basis.

Spectating this banter I wish to know from Nanook what read he has about Jay and why. Sorry to butt in, hope you will not ignore me.

I have to work, catching up postponed.

Jay, what do you think about the last 3 mins changes of wagons?

Slightly >rand scum/in my oversized POE.

why is your Poe oversized?

There’s like 5 people in it, that’s obscenely large

[Michelle]

If S~V~S is good, then my one-hour POE already feels decent at:

MacDougall
nutella
Long Con
Nanook

I was strong town reading nutella, but I’m finding it strange we can’t connect on our views and I’m also not see that intense revelation she can have as a townie, so I’m increasingly worried there. I’m torn though because I still feel like she’s been for the most part really trying to figure people out. What’s your more detailed opinion of her?

nutella is going to have to give me a lot more to earn that kind of credit. She has done some shit in recent games.

can you explain the cyan please?

[Michelle]

I play by POE, deal with it


Tbh I don’t remember most of my reads in games, I have to keep notes or ISO myself to remind myself of them on a fairly regularly basis.

Spectating this banter I wish to know from Nanook what read he has about Jay and why. Sorry to butt in, hope you will not ignore me.

I have to work, catching up postponed.

Jay, what do you think about the last 3 mins changes of wagons?

Slightly >rand scum/in my oversized POE.

why is your Poe oversized?

There’s like 5 people in it, that’s obscenely large

So who you trust until now?