Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [DAY 3]

[nutella]

Looking better at Jack's reads without scum reads it's like a scum claim

[VOTE: Jack/Svs] aubergine

Elaborate?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't see why you felt the need to use the most violent colours on this post but I can tell you, if you are villager that we are back to square 1 and you after few games still are unable to understand me. Shame of you sir.
I was honest, but like usual sincerity doesn't pay off.

I don't accept your take, is fake reasoning again. You and your Poe and your exercises, you jump on me again like Dizzy did in day 1 and this is the way to loose the game for town only because you think I said what i didn't say.

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU WOULDN'T KILL M7 IF YOU WERE WOLF.

And the best reason is he was town reading you. The question is, are you wolf? Because if you are not the answer at the question is as useless as mine. I would kill him BUT I DIDN'T BECAUSE I AM VILLAGER.

I can't even tell whether or not you're accusing me here.

[nutella]

I mean, Nut, how did you know Mac is villager when everyone wanted him lynched?

Why didn't you answer at my questions?

Why you expected a wagon to be formed to vote me?

Mac was fairly obvious town imo. Like I said I don't think he would do something like that big case on d1 as scum. Also he wasn't around so the cfd on him was just rude

What questions? Please direct me

No idea what that last thing is about

[nutella]

I can't even tell whether or not you're accusing me here.

This is a sense I'm getting from a lot of Michelle's recent posts. I don't know what her reads actually are.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Looking better at Jack's reads without scum reads it's like a scum claim

[VOTE: Jack/Svs] aubergine

You were suspicious of the people who voted for Mac. What changed?

[nutella]

I'm seeing fake shade and non-righteous indignation.

[nutella]

Town
Jack
Nutella
Dys/Jay
.....
Nanook
Epi
.....
Michelle
LC
.....
.....
Scum




Unless both power roles are in Nutella and Jay, we can pretty well guarantee a wolf lynch today since there's very likely 2 wolves in a 4 player POE and two innocent children.

How do you know there may be 2 PRs?

Like this, this is fake shade. Yeah, there are possibilities in the matrix for only one town PR and an extra vanilla, but are you suggesting that Jack assuming there are two is a slip or something? I don't get it. Lame attempt at a gotcha.

[nutella]

Looking better at Jack's reads without scum reads it's like a scum claim

[VOTE: Jack/Svs] aubergine

You were suspicious of the people who voted for Mac. What changed?

Also yeah I thought you more or less agreed with me on Mac. But now you're trying to call me out on it?


Michelle is grasping at straws

[Michelle]

Yeah I'm getting unusually sketchy vibes from a lot of Michelle's posts. This far into the game and I haven't felt the screen scream "Michelle is town" at me yet -- means she's probably not.

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

you ignored me until now. As expected.

No? I believe I've stated a few times that you were in my poe and that you haven't caused me to townread you

You ignored my questions. So yes, you ignored me. Doesn't matter how many times you read me wrong, I know I told you at least once about this and I don't remember to see an answer at my post.

[Michelle]

Looking better at Jack's reads without scum reads it's like a scum claim

[VOTE: Jack/Svs] aubergine

You were suspicious of the people who voted for Mac. What changed?

I think. I don't accept a stale read non deserved.

[nutella]

I did not purposefully ignore you. I do not know what questions you are referring to. Come on.

[Michelle]

What if Nut is scum with Jack?

[Michelle]

I did not purposefully ignore you. I do not know what questions you are referring to. Come on.

There is no possibility, for no one on this forum, to not see a quoted post. Come on.

[Michelle]

Town
Jack
Nutella
Dys/Jay
.....
Nanook
Epi
.....
Michelle
LC
.....
.....
Scum




Unless both power roles are in Nutella and Jay, we can pretty well guarantee a wolf lynch today since there's very likely 2 wolves in a 4 player POE and two innocent children.

How do you know there may be 2 PRs?

Like this, this is fake shade. Yeah, there are possibilities in the matrix for only one town PR and an extra vanilla, but are you suggesting that Jack assuming there are two is a slip or something? I don't get it. Lame attempt at a gotcha.

Why are you so concerned about Jack?

[nutella]

I did not purposefully ignore you. I do not know what questions you are referring to. Come on.

There is no possibility, for no one on this forum, to not see a quoted post. Come on.

I still don't know what you're talking about. When was it? Help me out?

[nutella]

What if Nut is scum with Jack?

Oh I wish

[Michelle]

Looking better at Jack's reads without scum reads it's like a scum claim

[VOTE: Jack/Svs] aubergine

You were suspicious of the people who voted for Mac. What changed?

That rainbow read list. Looks bad.

[nutella]

Town
Jack
Nutella
Dys/Jay
.....
Nanook
Epi
.....
Michelle
LC
.....
.....
Scum




Unless both power roles are in Nutella and Jay, we can pretty well guarantee a wolf lynch today since there's very likely 2 wolves in a 4 player POE and two innocent children.

How do you know there may be 2 PRs?

Like this, this is fake shade. Yeah, there are possibilities in the matrix for only one town PR and an extra vanilla, but are you suggesting that Jack assuming there are two is a slip or something? I don't get it. Lame attempt at a gotcha.

Why are you so concerned about Jack?

What?

[nutella]

Looking better at Jack's reads without scum reads it's like a scum claim

[VOTE: Jack/Svs] aubergine

You were suspicious of the people who voted for Mac. What changed?

I think. I don't accept a stale read non deserved.

Can you rephrase this please

[Jackofhearts2005]

Day was full of homechores, now I am back :-)

I have a couple of mechanics questions. I have not played very many games with a matrix like this one has, and I am not 100% on the terminology.

What is a "strongman"? And a "Role Doc", that is a role checker, right?

Ok, I see the matrix setup now. No wonder nobody reacted to my "it says two scum in the OP". =p

A role cop is someone who cop town to see what role they have, vanilla or otherwise.

A role cop is a cop who's result is tne role of the target no matter AI.

So first you vote me witout any concern about my AI and you associate me at random and now you lie about what a role cop does. You posted other cop role smh

You are bad Dizzy

How strongly do you believe in this suspicion?

Enough to vote

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine

Also not my favorite.

[Michelle]

I did not purposefully ignore you. I do not know what questions you are referring to. Come on.

There is no possibility, for no one on this forum, to not see a quoted post. Come on.

I still don't know what you're talking about. When was it? Help me out?

I can't search on phone so fast. Look at your notifications

[Jackofhearts2005]

Looking better at Jack's reads without scum reads it's like a scum claim

[VOTE: Jack/Svs] aubergine

Lol but I'm unlynchable.

[nutella]

Wat

You still didn't share your reads iirc.

This? Is it just you asking me to share my reads? I did so. You must have missed it

[Michelle]

Looking better at Jack's reads without scum reads it's like a scum claim

[VOTE: Jack/Svs] aubergine

You were suspicious of the people who voted for Mac. What changed?

I think. I don't accept a stale read non deserved.

Can you rephrase this please

I had a TR on Svs day 1. At Eod I said she is not present, and I realised her 'case' on me is fake. Today Jack came but I don't think town Jack would make that reads list. So I am reevaluating an old read because is not deserved.

[Michelle]

Wat

You still didn't share your reads iirc.

This? Is it just you asking me to share my reads? I did so. You must have missed it

not just that, I am sure there are more.

[nutella]

I feel like everyone should have a pretty developed POE pool right now. There are seven not-yous and two of them are no good. Even two solid civilian reads nets a workable reduction, and I think we can do better than that.

Let's go.

SVS
Jay
MP
Michelle
LC
Epi
Nanook

[mention]Michelle[/mention] this was sometime after you asked me that. I guess I never responded to you directly, I apologize for that, but if you have read my posts you should have some idea of my reads. To update this a bit, Nanook is tentatively moved up for the claim, Epi is tentatively moved up for probably not killing MP, and the SVS/Jack slot moved down a bit for poe reasons and something that vaguely pinged me when he came into the thread last night. That leaves you and LC as the most likely scum in my eyes.

[nutella]

Wat

You still didn't share your reads iirc.

This? Is it just you asking me to share my reads? I did so. You must have missed it

not just that, I am sure there are more.

I am done with this.

[Michelle]

Town
Jack
Nutella
Dys/Jay
.....
Nanook
Epi
.....
Michelle
LC
.....
.....
Scum




Unless both power roles are in Nutella and Jay, we can pretty well guarantee a wolf lynch today since there's very likely 2 wolves in a 4 player POE and two innocent children.

How do you know there may be 2 PRs?

Like this, this is fake shade. Yeah, there are possibilities in the matrix for only one town PR and an extra vanilla, but are you suggesting that Jack assuming there are two is a slip or something? I don't get it. Lame attempt at a gotcha.

Why are you so concerned about Jack?

What?

What make you say it's fake shade? I didn't adress at you more than the discontent of you ignoring my posts. and when I attack Jack you have something to tell me so fast.
So you are concerned about Jack.

[nutella]

Looking better at Jack's reads without scum reads it's like a scum claim

[VOTE: Jack/Svs] aubergine

You were suspicious of the people who voted for Mac. What changed?

I think. I don't accept a stale read non deserved.

Can you rephrase this please

I had a TR on Svs day 1. At Eod I said she is not present, and I realised her 'case' on me is fake. Today Jack came but I don't think town Jack would make that reads list. So I am reevaluating an old read because is not deserved.

OK but from my perspective you're only half addressing Jay's question here. You're explaining why Jack became a priority suspect, but you're not explaining why you've completely stopped caring about the Mac train and in fact turned around and shaded me for defending Mac when I thought you agreed with me that the train was bad. Can you talk more about that?

[nutella]

Town
Jack
Nutella
Dys/Jay
.....
Nanook
Epi
.....
Michelle
LC
.....
.....
Scum




Unless both power roles are in Nutella and Jay, we can pretty well guarantee a wolf lynch today since there's very likely 2 wolves in a 4 player POE and two innocent children.

How do you know there may be 2 PRs?

Like this, this is fake shade. Yeah, there are possibilities in the matrix for only one town PR and an extra vanilla, but are you suggesting that Jack assuming there are two is a slip or something? I don't get it. Lame attempt at a gotcha.

Why are you so concerned about Jack?

What?

What make you say it's fake shade? I didn't adress at you more than the discontent of you ignoring my posts. and when I attack Jack you have something to tell me so fast.
So you are concerned about Jack.

This has little to do with Jack specifically at all. I'm not defending him. I'm calling out a bad take that happened to be directed at him. Why are you deflecting?

[nutella]

I'm not concerned that you're attacking Jack. He could be bad. I'm concerned that your method of doing so is baseless garbage.

[Michelle]

I feel like everyone should have a pretty developed POE pool right now. There are seven not-yous and two of them are no good. Even two solid civilian reads nets a workable reduction, and I think we can do better than that.

Let's go.

SVS
Jay
MP
Michelle
LC
Epi
Nanook

@Michelle this was sometime after you asked me that. I guess I never responded to you directly, I apologize for that, but if you have read my posts you should have some idea of my reads. To update this a bit, Nanook is tentatively moved up for the claim, Epi is tentatively moved up for probably not killing MP, and the SVS/Jack slot moved down a bit for poe reasons and something that vaguely pinged me when he came into the thread last night. That leaves you and LC as the most likely scum in my eyes.

Cool so Jack went down for a certain not exposed reason, but I am the baddie. With LC. I know LC defended me but that, even if he is scum, doesn't make me scum. You don't look at all interested in solving, but in throwing someone on the chopping block

[Michelle]

I'm not concerned that you're attacking Jack. He could be bad. I'm concerned that your method of doing so is baseless garbage.

I am not deflecting, I see you defending Jack. I see Jack having most probably TMI and presenting infos he shouldn't know.
Idk how to talk better. Is that a good reason to hung me?

[nutella]

I'm not concerned that you're attacking Jack. He could be bad. I'm concerned that your method of doing so is baseless garbage.

I am not deflecting, I see you defending Jack. I see Jack having most probably TMI and presenting infos he shouldn't know.
Idk how to talk better. Is that a good reason to hung me?

I don't view what he said as TMI. I feel like you're purposefully ignoring what my actual point is.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Credit to Jack though for bringing this post up, because now that I see it I hate it.

1) Dizzy didn't "lie" about what a role cop does. In this setup with two factions, it's exactly what Dizzy said it was.

2) Why would Dizzy even lie about that? What?

3) Why is that suspicious?

This is pure shade, and it's bad. Michelle is bad.

[mention]Michelle[/mention] please talk about this.

[Jackofhearts2005]

What if Nut is scum with Jack?

Oh I wish

We'd get to pretend fight and everything!

[Michelle]

Looking better at Jack's reads without scum reads it's like a scum claim

[VOTE: Jack/Svs] aubergine

You were suspicious of the people who voted for Mac. What changed?

I think. I don't accept a stale read non deserved.

Can you rephrase this please

I had a TR on Svs day 1. At Eod I said she is not present, and I realised her 'case' on me is fake. Today Jack came but I don't think town Jack would make that reads list. So I am reevaluating an old read because is not deserved.

OK but from my perspective you're only half addressing Jay's question here. You're explaining why Jack became a priority suspect, but you're not explaining why you've completely stopped caring about the Mac train and in fact turned around and shaded me for defending Mac when I thought you agreed with me that the train was bad. Can you talk more about that?

Yes. When the game has players that can each one talk good enough to keep themselves out of suspicion the only clues that can be found in the thread are the TMI moments. I wish to know if your read on Mac is not TMI. I see that wagon on Mac formed by LC, Jay and Nanook. And M7 but that is less important.
Maybe I am idiot but I don't see LC as bad. Jay as much as I took this game from his slot looks not like Jay from the previous game, so idk if he is scum, Nanook is un-cc-ed PR. So.. maybe I am wrong about that wagon.

I try to find answers. But this is bad and everyone put me at the wall like this is a bad thing.

[Michelle]

I'm not concerned that you're attacking Jack. He could be bad. I'm concerned that your method of doing so is baseless garbage.

I am not deflecting, I see you defending Jack. I see Jack having most probably TMI and presenting infos he shouldn't know.
Idk how to talk better. Is that a good reason to hung me?

I don't view what he said as TMI. I feel like you're purposefully ignoring what my actual point is.

Explain your point, mayne i didn't get it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm not concerned that you're attacking Jack. He could be bad. I'm concerned that your method of doing so is baseless garbage.

I am not deflecting, I see you defending Jack. I see Jack having most probably TMI and presenting infos he shouldn't know.
Idk how to talk better. Is that a good reason to hung me?

I don't view what he said as TMI. I feel like you're purposefully ignoring what my actual point is.

Explain your point, mayne i didn't get it.

If I'm scum and I have TMI that there are two roles instead of 1, it would mean the mafia has exactly the roleblocker and we're in exactly one of two setups out of a possible six.

Or I just didn't notice there was an extra vanilla town role on the matrix because I didn't look at it that closely.

[nutella]

I'm not concerned that you're attacking Jack. He could be bad. I'm concerned that your method of doing so is baseless garbage.

I am not deflecting, I see you defending Jack. I see Jack having most probably TMI and presenting infos he shouldn't know.
Idk how to talk better. Is that a good reason to hung me?

I don't view what he said as TMI. I feel like you're purposefully ignoring what my actual point is.

Explain your point, mayne i didn't get it.

To me it looked like you were calling out Jack saying "both PRs" as potential TMI/slip. I think that's an unfair judgment to make on his wording. There's no reason not to assume there are two PRs.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Does that even match with Nanook's claim?

[Michelle]

Credit to Jack though for bringing this post up, because now that I see it I hate it.

1) Dizzy didn't "lie" about what a role cop does. In this setup with two factions, it's exactly what Dizzy said it was.

2) Why would Dizzy even lie about that? What?

3) Why is that suspicious?

This is pure shade, and it's bad. Michelle is bad.

@Michelle please talk about this.

i did. I said I didn't read the matrix carefully. I didn't notice the role cope is only scum .

Dizzy jumped on me for nothing. And started the game extremely odd. I scum read Dizzy for his posts. I have an Iso where I explained why.

I thought he is misdirecting the attention. It's not pure shade, was me being not enough focused on the roles in the game. I was convinced he is lying.

[Michelle]

I'm not concerned that you're attacking Jack. He could be bad. I'm concerned that your method of doing so is baseless garbage.

I am not deflecting, I see you defending Jack. I see Jack having most probably TMI and presenting infos he shouldn't know.
Idk how to talk better. Is that a good reason to hung me?

I don't view what he said as TMI. I feel like you're purposefully ignoring what my actual point is.

Explain your point, mayne i didn't get it.

To me it looked like you were calling out Jack saying "both PRs" as potential TMI/slip. I think that's an unfair judgment to make on his wording. There's no reason not to assume there are two PRs.

Was the meaning of his post that he 'assumed'?. I think it looked like an affirmative sentence without doubt.

[Jackofhearts2005]

TMI town role cop isn't in the game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I was convinced he is lying.

Alright cool. You said that this was suspicious to you, that Dizzy lied about the role cop role. Why do you think a mafia Dizzy would lie about that? What do they gain from that lie?

[Michelle]

I was convinced he is lying.

Alright cool. You said that this was suspicious to you, that Dizzy lied about the role cop role. Why do you think a mafia Dizzy would lie about that? What do they gain from that lie?

Idk. What would i gain from accusing him based on a wrong perception?

[Michelle]

TMI town role cop isn't in the game.

you are not helpful.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I was convinced he is lying.

Alright cool. You said that this was suspicious to you, that Dizzy lied about the role cop role. Why do you think a mafia Dizzy would lie about that? What do they gain from that lie?

Sometimes wolves just lie. RIP Benson.

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[Michelle]

I don't see why you felt the need to use the most violent colours on this post but I can tell you, if you are villager that we are back to square 1 and you after few games still are unable to understand me. Shame of you sir.
I was honest, but like usual sincerity doesn't pay off.

I don't accept your take, is fake reasoning again. You and your Poe and your exercises, you jump on me again like Dizzy did in day 1 and this is the way to loose the game for town only because you think I said what i didn't say.

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU WOULDN'T KILL M7 IF YOU WERE WOLF.

And the best reason is he was town reading you. The question is, are you wolf? Because if you are not the answer at the question is as useless as mine. I would kill him BUT I DIDN'T BECAUSE I AM VILLAGER.

I can't even tell whether or not you're accusing me here.

It's an explanation.
Do you care about what I say only if I have an accusation on you?

[nutella]

I was convinced he is lying.

Alright cool. You said that this was suspicious to you, that Dizzy lied about the role cop role. Why do you think a mafia Dizzy would lie about that? What do they gain from that lie?

Idk. What would i gain from accusing him based on a wrong perception?

Yikes this is bad