Take Me Out at the Ballgame! [DAY 3]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JJJ-

Hey look, I'm going this thing where I am going to advocate the lynching of Nanook.

Is that a good idea? Why or why not?

I've already answered you.

If your or someone else claims doctor, either now or later, then I will have much more reason to suspect Nanook.

Until then, your case is useless garbage ignorant of the basic mechanical structure of the Mafia game.

[Epignosis]

Can't wait to see that kill.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Jay is there an actual reason you think that me/Epi isn't a thunderdome, or....

[Michelle]

I won this game for the civilians.

You're all welcome. Move on with your lives.

Then who is scum?

[Michelle]

Is someone counter claiming anything?

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] ? [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] ? [mention]nutella[/mention] ? [mention]Long Con[/mention] ?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Epi doing the “maybe I’m a doc maybe I’m not” thing is pointless btw, doc can self save so only reason not to claim I can see is so tomorrow he can say “oh yeah I was totally trying to fake scum out and draw the NK, too bad it didn’t work, lulz”

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay is there an actual reason you think that me/Epi isn't a thunderdome, or....

One of you claimed and the other didn’t. The table is set for that fight given all of last night’s nonsense. Dinner still isn’t served until a counter claim exists.

It looks to me like he truly does not understand the game and believes you can be a mafioso regardless of his own role. That’s why I was pulling my hair out.

[Epignosis]

I won this game for the civilians.

You're all welcome. Move on with your lives.

Then who is scum?

At least read my 5%.

Spoiler: show

Any motherfucking cop who gets a real check is going to make sure his motherfucking allies know what that motherfucking check is before the Day phase ends.

Does anybody disagree with that?

Nanook didn't do that.

JJJ didn't abuse him or push him for failing to provide the civilians with the one piece of fucking information crucial to making a smarter decision.

Why not?

We're at Night 2, and none of us know what Nanook's cop check was. That is horseshit.

Conveniently, his Night 0 check was MP7. The dead guy. Terrific. What a coinkydink.

Take a look at the Matrix on the front page.

JJJ has put is in UNIVERSE 1 because he does not dispute the existence of Nanook's claim (which he should, because fuck that Day 2 "cop" play).

I believe we are actually in UNIVERSE 3.

In this scenario, the mafia has two role checks. If mafia role-checked Jack, they would know they could safely fake UNIVERSE 1.

Nanook claims cop with a Night peek and plays games with everyone else all fucking Day 2.

JJJ plays games with him and never pushes him for an actual claim, meanwhile facepalming at everyone who doesn't understand matrices (which, at the time, I thought was kind of funny, but I digress).

If I am correct, the actual mafia knows there's no goddamned "1-shot cop w/n0 peek" and Nanook faked it. No one could dispute the claim, because "1-shot tracker" is compatible with "1-shot cop w/n0 peek."

Nanook and JJJ are mafia.

[Epignosis]

Epi doing the “maybe I’m a doc maybe I’m not” thing is pointless btw, doc can self save so only reason not to claim I can see is so tomorrow he can say “oh yeah I was totally trying to fake scum out and draw the NK, too bad it didn’t work, lulz”

To what end?

What is my goal?

[Epignosis]

Jay is there an actual reason you think that me/Epi isn't a thunderdome, or....

One of you claimed and the other didn’t. The table is set for that fight given all of last night’s nonsense. Dinner still isn’t served until a counter claim exists.

It isn't nonsense. I'm correct.

It looks to me like he truly does not understand the game and believes you can be a mafioso regardless of his own role. That’s why I was pulling my hair out.

What role is Nanook and why do you believe him?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Epi doing the “maybe I’m a doc maybe I’m not” thing is pointless btw, doc can self save so only reason not to claim I can see is so tomorrow he can say “oh yeah I was totally trying to fake scum out and draw the NK, too bad it didn’t work, lulz”

To what end?

What is my goal?

D3 is MYLO/LYLO, setting up a thunderdome is not a bad scum play.

[Epignosis]

Epi doing the “maybe I’m a doc maybe I’m not” thing is pointless btw, doc can self save so only reason not to claim I can see is so tomorrow he can say “oh yeah I was totally trying to fake scum out and draw the NK, too bad it didn’t work, lulz”

To what end?

What is my goal?

D3 is MYLO/LYLO, setting up a thunderdome is not a bad scum play.

I don't know what the hell this means.

If I'm bad, I just let everyone lynch either nutella or whoever else was on your partner's list.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay is there an actual reason you think that me/Epi isn't a thunderdome, or....

One of you claimed and the other didn’t. The table is set for that fight given all of last night’s nonsense. Dinner still isn’t served until a counter claim exists.

It isn't nonsense. I'm correct.

It looks to me like he truly does not understand the game and believes you can be a mafioso regardless of his own role. That’s why I was pulling my hair out.

What role is Nanook and why do you believe him?

Nanook is the 2-shot doctor. I believe him because nobody else has claimed a role compatible with the 1-shot tracker. I believe him because only one person has challenged that claim at all, and that person has been utterly obtuse in interpreting how claiming works in a game of this construction (you).

[Epignosis]

Jay is there an actual reason you think that me/Epi isn't a thunderdome, or....

One of you claimed and the other didn’t. The table is set for that fight given all of last night’s nonsense. Dinner still isn’t served until a counter claim exists.

It isn't nonsense. I'm correct.

It looks to me like he truly does not understand the game and believes you can be a mafioso regardless of his own role. That’s why I was pulling my hair out.

What role is Nanook and why do you believe him?

Nanook is the 2-shot doctor. I believe him because nobody else has claimed a role compatible with the 1-shot tracker. I believe him because only one person has challenged that claim at all, and that person has been utterly obtuse in interpreting how claiming works in a game of this construction (you).

Then he should be Night killed tonight and we'll know, right?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Then he should be Night killed tonight and we'll know, right?

That’s one way.

[Michelle]

I won this game for the civilians.

You're all welcome. Move on with your lives.

Then who is scum?

At least read my 5%.

Spoiler: show

Any motherfucking cop who gets a real check is going to make sure his motherfucking allies know what that motherfucking check is before the Day phase ends.

Does anybody disagree with that?

Nanook didn't do that.

JJJ didn't abuse him or push him for failing to provide the civilians with the one piece of fucking information crucial to making a smarter decision.

Why not?

We're at Night 2, and none of us know what Nanook's cop check was. That is horseshit.

Conveniently, his Night 0 check was MP7. The dead guy. Terrific. What a coinkydink.

Take a look at the Matrix on the front page.

JJJ has put is in UNIVERSE 1 because he does not dispute the existence of Nanook's claim (which he should, because fuck that Day 2 "cop" play).

I believe we are actually in UNIVERSE 3.

In this scenario, the mafia has two role checks. If mafia role-checked Jack, they would know they could safely fake UNIVERSE 1.

Nanook claims cop with a Night peek and plays games with everyone else all fucking Day 2.

JJJ plays games with him and never pushes him for an actual claim, meanwhile facepalming at everyone who doesn't understand matrices (which, at the time, I thought was kind of funny, but I digress).

If I am correct, the actual mafia knows there's no goddamned "1-shot cop w/n0 peek" and Nanook faked it. No one could dispute the claim, because "1-shot tracker" is compatible with "1-shot cop w/n0 peek."

Nanook and JJJ are mafia.

Ok. I have read this. But. But. The only one who could know we are in universe 3 before Nanook changing claim is mafia who knows the red role.

[Michelle]

Then he should be Night killed tonight and we'll know, right?

That’s one way.

this creeps me out folks.

[Long Con]

Epi, I'm pretty sure that you are wack.

[Michelle]

Epi, I'm pretty sure that you are wack.

with whom?

[Long Con]

Epi, I'm pretty sure that you are wack.

with whom?

I meant his viewpoint is wack. Still to be determined if he's bad.

[Michelle]

Epi, I'm pretty sure that you are wack.

with whom?

I meant his viewpoint is wack. Still to be determined if he's bad.

who would you vote now if you could?

[Long Con]

Epi, I'm pretty sure that you are wack.

with whom?

I meant his viewpoint is wack. Still to be determined if he's bad.

who would you vote now if you could?

Let's pick it up on Day 3.

[Sloonei]

End of the Line for the Brockstar

Brock Holt had played every position on the field that day, and he was just a triple shy of yet another cycle. As he stepped to the plate for his fourth at bat, the whole stadium filled with anticipation.

But there was one man who didn't want Brock to be the center of attention. This was his show, and he was in charge. So when the count got to 2-2, the umpire knew that anything close to the plate would be called strike 3. And that's just what happened. Brock, understandably, was upset. And the moment he opened his mouth, he was inviting his ejection. The writing was on the wall on this day.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME has been ejected. He was Brock Holt, civilian 2-shot doctor.
It is Day 3. You have 48 hours to eject somebody.

[nutella]

Wild

[nutella]

Hmmmmm

Still think Epi is legit or this would be really weird. So looking at two of Michelle/LC/Jay. My gut says Michelle and LC, but what if Jay really is bad and capitalized on Epi's association by killing nanook to make himself look good? Worth considering imo.

[Epignosis]

My theory was cool but shit and I'm a big enough boy to admit that.

[Epignosis]

Still Nanook got Brock Holt, which is pretty fucking funny all things considered.

[nutella]

My theory was cool but shit and I'm a big enough boy to admit that.

Do you think it's still possible Jay is bad?

[Epignosis]

Well hell I was right about being in Universe 3.

[Epignosis]

My theory was cool but shit and I'm a big enough boy to admit that.

Do you think it's still possible Jay is bad?

I have to rethink everything and I've been drinking since 1pm EST today.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Then he should be Night killed tonight and we'll know, right?

That’s one way.

this creeps me out folks.

I doubt that creeps you out. Silly shade #3543245654

[Epignosis]

I want everyone to know that last night I poked myself in the eye jabbing my finger against my head bragging to myself about how smart I was. That literally happened.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't think Epignosis is a mafioso. There's a civilian motivation for much of his shenanigans in the night phase, even if it drove me insane -- protecting Nanook. It didn't work, but the attempt was valiant anyway.

The remaining three are suspects, and when I get to it I will look into things. I am doing cyber things with my friends this evening. Cyber things.

[Epignosis]

With magic swords I hope.

[Long Con]

Michelle and nutella are my call for the last baddies.

[Michelle]

Michelle and nutella are my call for the last baddies.

Are you villager for real? You refused to talk to me overnight and when I saw your last answer I gave up to talk to you :/

Is no way you can think I am with Nutella never in this world. And I am never scum.

I can tell you why. One is paranoia. I am cool when I am mafia, but I am a paranoid and often wrong as villager.
Villagers are wrong, they are making mistakes because they think their AI is enough to protect them.
I was homestly following my reads and I wasn't cowardly hiding no matter what.

When I left in the previous day, I was upset for real. But I came back when I calmed myself.

I was pushed by every single player alive. I am lonely, no one backs me up. I don't know who is villager because of the lack of trust I received all game. Usually I can find someone to trust...

My posts are out of my scum range. I am villager, and I was set for mislynch from long time ago. Mafia choose happy to push Jack instead of me because he was absent and didn't catch up properly and that was against him. They took advantage of the village who was so framed. Jack knows alot more than me about any player here so when the possibility of his mislynch appeared my wagon disolved.

The thing with 'who would kill M7' is wrong. Is made to clear someone and accuse at random. I said and I repet, every sane mafia would kill him because he cleared too many villagers He was present in the game and noticed Svs and me as villagers. I am sorry I didn't trust his read on Jack.
Nanook said he can self target but I know not every doctor can or he finished his shots already.

M7 read me villager. Nanook wasn't sure but didn't want me dead. Jack supected me but wasn't sure I am bad.

Mac's case was ignored all game like he is not one of this site's MVP :/ He didn't suspect me. What do you think now about this?

I exposed what i think shows me for you I am villager because for me I am lock town since the get go.

[Michelle]

Then he should be Night killed tonight and we'll know, right?

That’s one way.

this creeps me out folks.

I doubt that creeps you out. Silly shade #3543245654

Where this mistrust comes from? I wish to understand.

[Michelle]

Hmmmmm

Still think Epi is legit or this would be really weird. So looking at two of Michelle/LC/Jay. My gut says Michelle and LC, but what if Jay really is bad and capitalized on Epi's association by killing nanook to make himself look good? Worth considering imo.

I think gut read in lylo is not helpful. You should reconsider if you are villager.

[Michelle]

is not even 4 am i back to sleep. cya later

[nutella]

Michelle and nutella are my call for the last baddies.

Are you villager for real? You refused to talk to me overnight and when I saw your last answer I gave up to talk to you :/

Is no way you can think I am with Nutella never in this world. And I am never scum.

I can tell you why. One is paranoia. I am cool when I am mafia, but I am a paranoid and often wrong as villager.
Villagers are wrong, they are making mistakes because they think their AI is enough to protect them.
I was homestly following my reads and I wasn't cowardly hiding no matter what.

When I left in the previous day, I was upset for real. But I came back when I calmed myself.

I was pushed by every single player alive. I am lonely, no one backs me up. I don't know who is villager because of the lack of trust I received all game. Usually I can find someone to trust...

My posts are out of my scum range. I am villager, and I was set for mislynch from long time ago. Mafia choose happy to push Jack instead of me because he was absent and didn't catch up properly and that was against him. They took advantage of the village who was so framed. Jack knows alot more than me about any player here so when the possibility of his mislynch appeared my wagon disolved.

The thing with 'who would kill M7' is wrong. Is made to clear someone and accuse at random. I said and I repet, every sane mafia would kill him because he cleared too many villagers He was present in the game and noticed Svs and me as villagers. I am sorry I didn't trust his read on Jack.
Nanook said he can self target but I know not every doctor can or he finished his shots already.

M7 read me villager. Nanook wasn't sure but didn't want me dead. Jack supected me but wasn't sure I am bad.

Mac's case was ignored all game like he is not one of this site's MVP :/ He didn't suspect me. What do you think now about this?

I exposed what i think shows me for you I am villager because for me I am lock town since the get go.

Sorry, I want to trust you on tone but we have a very narrow POE and I am seeing very little available possibility that you aren't scum here. Even then this isn't much of a defense, the fact that Mac was townreading you at the very beginning means nothing to me at this stage of the game. If you are town it has to be two of Jay, LC, and Epi, and the only way you can convince me you're town is if you convince me which of those universes we're in.

[Michelle]

Michelle and nutella are my call for the last baddies.

Are you villager for real? You refused to talk to me overnight and when I saw your last answer I gave up to talk to you :/

Is no way you can think I am with Nutella never in this world. And I am never scum.

I can tell you why. One is paranoia. I am cool when I am mafia, but I am a paranoid and often wrong as villager.
Villagers are wrong, they are making mistakes because they think their AI is enough to protect them.
I was homestly following my reads and I wasn't cowardly hiding no matter what.

When I left in the previous day, I was upset for real. But I came back when I calmed myself.

I was pushed by every single player alive. I am lonely, no one backs me up. I don't know who is villager because of the lack of trust I received all game. Usually I can find someone to trust...

My posts are out of my scum range. I am villager, and I was set for mislynch from long time ago. Mafia choose happy to push Jack instead of me because he was absent and didn't catch up properly and that was against him. They took advantage of the village who was so framed. Jack knows alot more than me about any player here so when the possibility of his mislynch appeared my wagon disolved.

The thing with 'who would kill M7' is wrong. Is made to clear someone and accuse at random. I said and I repet, every sane mafia would kill him because he cleared too many villagers He was present in the game and noticed Svs and me as villagers. I am sorry I didn't trust his read on Jack.
Nanook said he can self target but I know not every doctor can or he finished his shots already.

M7 read me villager. Nanook wasn't sure but didn't want me dead. Jack supected me but wasn't sure I am bad.

Mac's case was ignored all game like he is not one of this site's MVP :/ He didn't suspect me. What do you think now about this?

I exposed what i think shows me for you I am villager because for me I am lock town since the get go.

Sorry, I want to trust you on tone but we have a very narrow POE and I am seeing very little available possibility that you aren't scum here. Even then this isn't much of a defense, the fact that Mac was townreading you at the very beginning means nothing to me at this stage of the game. If you are town it has to be two of Jay, LC, and Epi, and the only way you can convince me you're town is if you convince me which of those universes we're in.

I can't sleep

the word sorry is for clearing your conscience? Poe needs a reset. No mafia was i danger all game i think.

the thing is, Nut, at this stage of the game, you should scumhunt yourself and not pretend from me to convince you on anything.
I hope you will iso the living playere and make your own proper analysis.

[Michelle]

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] are the votes locked in lylo?

[Sloonei]

Votes are always changeable.

[Michelle]

Reposting the day 1 VC with 3 mins before Eod

Dyslexicon 1 7% Voters: Long Con

Epignosis 2 14% Voters: nutella, MacDougall

Long Con 2 14% Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, Dyslexicon

M Plus 7 0 No votes Voters: None

MacDougall 2 14% Voters: M Plus 7, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Michelle 1 7% Voters: S~V~S

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 0 No votes Voters: None

nutella 2 14% Voters: Michelle, Epignosis

S~V~S 0 No votes Voters: None

No One

0

[Michelle]

Eod 1 VC

Dyslexicon 0 votes

Epignosis 2 Voters: nutella, MacDougall

Long Con 1 Voters: Dyslexicon

M Plus 7 0 votes 

MacDougall 4 Voters: M Plus 7,  NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, JaggedJimmyJay, Long Con

Michelle 1 Voters: S~V~S

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 0 votes 

nutella 2 Voters: Michelle, Epignosis

S~V~S 0 votes 

[Michelle]

Going to reread Eod 1

[nutella]

Huh. Looking at that again made me want to explore the possible Jay/LC world. Jay replaced in somewhere in that day after Dizzy had voted for LC, and he eventually landed on the Mac wagon (which can be interpreted as a save of LC, or of Epi, or of me as we were all at two votes before). I just looked through Dizzy's posts before Jay replaced him and his LC interactions are not particularly inspiring. I'll look further into Jay/LC interactions post-replacement and see how I feel, but I'm thinking that team is increasingly likely since Michelle seems to be actually trying to solve here.

Ugh since I can't trust Jay and since he won't do his own interactive analyses I guess I have to be responsible and look at all his potential pairings. If the team is just Michelle and LC my job is easier

[nutella]

Then he should be Night killed tonight and we'll know, right?

That’s one way.

this creeps me out folks.

I doubt that creeps you out. Silly shade #3543245654

This is the first thing Jay says after the night post. Immediate indirect accusation of Michelle. Idk it smells kinda poopy.

[Michelle]

[VOTE: Nut] aubergine

Could still be okay with a Michelle lynch but I feel like her townie posts balance out her icky ones at this point.

I didn't post icky. If you are fine with my lynch then you are bad.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

I am still recovering from the "Mac made good points about you."

You've implied that I have done nothing:

Epignosis is a civilian. Contrary to Mac's assertion, I see a stark shift in his play from the GOC to now -- my suspicion of him in that game originated from his blase do-nothing attitude that persisted from start to finish. He has not displayed that here.

I strongly disagree. What has he done

Yet when you were asked this, you gave this response:

nutella, assume for a moment that Epignosis doesn't exist. Who are you lynching now?

Ugh probably LC but i don't feel great about it. I just have more reasons to townread everyone else.

What have you done if that's your response?

Coming back to this post, Nutella pinged me because she said I am a good lynch and I reacted at that post with a vote.
Epi looks opportunistic because he voted her.
His previous vote was on me iirc but I am not sure about this.
The reason to vote Nutella looks fabricated.

I wish a feedback from someone who is not Nutella and Epi here tbh

[Michelle]

[VOTE: Nut] aubergine

Could still be okay with a Michelle lynch but I feel like her townie posts balance out her icky ones at this point.

I didn't post icky. If you are fine with my lynch then you are bad.

Eh? Is a civilian nutella invulnerable to errors?

If Nut is villager this post is TMI 100%