Assassin's Creed Mafia (OVER!)

[nutella]

*Parrot*

[Sloonei]

Which points were not sound?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'd like for everyone to please rank every other living player in order of least-to-most suspicious purely based on your gut feelings about them. Don't worry about "evidence" or whatever. Just ask your instincts.

Sloonei
TS
LC
FG
Speed

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'd like for everyone to please rank every other living player in order of least-to-most suspicious purely based on your gut feelings about them. Don't worry about "evidence" or whatever. Just ask your instincts.

Sloonei
TS
LC
FG
Speed

Does your concern with FG reflect her behavior or something character/role related or both?

[TonyStarkPrime]

speedchuck
ts account
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
Funnygurl

How has your view of ts account changed since nutella and I arrived?

It is partially motivated by POE. funnygurl's claim buried Epi and looks authentic in light of the host corrections from this morning. Tony has been my next strongest town read in the thread today, in part because he looks a bit out of place going around begging for character claims. It's a bizarre thing to be doing if he's bad. Long Con's self vote is the single weirdest event in a game which featured two demi-gods descending upon us from the heavens, but the fact that TH sat calmly by while LC was in danger of being lynched on Day 1 seems like an indication that he's town. The exception to that is the possibility of vote shenanigans, but there is no direct evidence pointing there.
ts account has been very By The Numbers. Not just today, but all game long. He has cited the fabled Book of Mafia multiple times, and it also feels like he's reading directly from it whenever he expresses a read on anything. He's eager to hammer Epi, but hammering Epi is the easy thing to do today and there's no incentive not to bus him. I had an early game beef with him that dissolved because he kept up a suspicion of me that looked too stubborn to be real, but I care less about that now that we're in our current position.

Thanks for the begging now who are you

[Sloonei]

That is not an answer. What differences exist in the strategies we have implemented?

If we are using evidence now, JJJ appeared in a beam of golden light or something. That is a strong indicator that he is a goodie.

That is even further from answering the question.

Still unanswered

[Sloonei]

speedchuck
ts account
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
Funnygurl

How has your view of ts account changed since nutella and I arrived?

It is partially motivated by POE. funnygurl's claim buried Epi and looks authentic in light of the host corrections from this morning. Tony has been my next strongest town read in the thread today, in part because he looks a bit out of place going around begging for character claims. It's a bizarre thing to be doing if he's bad. Long Con's self vote is the single weirdest event in a game which featured two demi-gods descending upon us from the heavens, but the fact that TH sat calmly by while LC was in danger of being lynched on Day 1 seems like an indication that he's town. The exception to that is the possibility of vote shenanigans, but there is no direct evidence pointing there.
ts account has been very By The Numbers. Not just today, but all game long. He has cited the fabled Book of Mafia multiple times, and it also feels like he's reading directly from it whenever he expresses a read on anything. He's eager to hammer Epi, but hammering Epi is the easy thing to do today and there's no incentive not to bus him. I had an early game beef with him that dissolved because he kept up a suspicion of me that looked too stubborn to be real, but I care less about that now that we're in our current position.

Thanks for the begging now who are you

Gene Parmesan.

[ts account]

That is not an answer. What differences exist in the strategies we have implemented?

If we are using evidence now, JJJ appeared in a beam of golden light or something. That is a strong indicator that he is a goodie.

That is even further from answering the question.

Still unanswered

zzzz

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'd like for everyone to please rank every other living player in order of least-to-most suspicious purely based on your gut feelings about them. Don't worry about "evidence" or whatever. Just ask your instincts.

Sloonei
TS
LC
FG
Speed

Does your concern with FG reflect her behavior or something character/role related or both?

Nothing character based. I have no evidence and I don’t have a problem with her claim. It just sets off triggers. My gut doesn’t buy it. Epi stirring up paranoia makes me feel a little more comfortable with the status quo.

[TonyStarkPrime]

speedchuck
ts account
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
Funnygurl

How has your view of ts account changed since nutella and I arrived?

It is partially motivated by POE. funnygurl's claim buried Epi and looks authentic in light of the host corrections from this morning. Tony has been my next strongest town read in the thread today, in part because he looks a bit out of place going around begging for character claims. It's a bizarre thing to be doing if he's bad. Long Con's self vote is the single weirdest event in a game which featured two demi-gods descending upon us from the heavens, but the fact that TH sat calmly by while LC was in danger of being lynched on Day 1 seems like an indication that he's town. The exception to that is the possibility of vote shenanigans, but there is no direct evidence pointing there.
ts account has been very By The Numbers. Not just today, but all game long. He has cited the fabled Book of Mafia multiple times, and it also feels like he's reading directly from it whenever he expresses a read on anything. He's eager to hammer Epi, but hammering Epi is the easy thing to do today and there's no incentive not to bus him. I had an early game beef with him that dissolved because he kept up a suspicion of me that looked too stubborn to be real, but I care less about that now that we're in our current position.

Thanks for the begging now who are you

Gene Parmesan.

thanks next

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Which points were not sound?

Spoiler: show

To be clear: my entry posts were not intended as “mechanical speculation”, or at least that was not my primary mindset in making them. I was genuinely concerned that the host had made a mistake.

It's a problem, because you were framing it as a potential game mechanic, when I do not think discussion of that avenue is fruitful for town.

Two points here, both of which I find inaccurate -- that you were engaging in mechanical speculation, and that mechanical speculation is flatly not fruitful.

Suspecting people for talking about mechanics is more suspicious than talking about mechanics.

[VOTE: Ts account] aubergine

This is a lazy read and weak justification for not really anything at all. Will omgus you later.

Calling your read lazy is itself a lazy read.

Here I am, interacting with you and generating content. And your response is that I'm being lazy.

I think the word is bullshit.

Go show me games where players suspecting other players for mechanical speculation were wolves. It is weird because even though I am not hard suspecting you, you still want me out of the picture sooner rather than later. The reasoning you gave is just lazy/contrived, and that's a fact.

This is not uncommon.

It is a 72 hour day and ts account is accusing me of "wanting [him] gone" because I voted for him 7 hours in.

Hi, I know we've not had much experience together, but my vote is gonna move around a lot before this day ends.

It isn't like you are voting me for another reason. My point isn't even that mechanical discussion is scummy (it is) or that your post made you scum. So, either you didn't take the time to understand my point before omgusing or you are feeling pressure and you are trying to take down the most vocal player as soon as possible. Which is it?

I feel like you are used to being able to throw your weight around to shut down anyone looking your way.

By my interpretation, that was the point. When you demanded the point then be made proper, he said some shit about leetic that strikes me as a deflection.

While I doubt your casing and general line of questioning is genuine (the post about going after mechanical discussion seems so offhand that I am interpreting it as justification for agenda) my posting should not be questionable in any way. If something seems inconsistent or agenda-driven, you are misreading, it's that simple. As a player I have a habit of omgus, but I find this justifiable as wolves statistically have a habit of suspecting me. Your casing me is making me far more suspicious of you than day 1 meh posts will, so I will not let this go. I am interested in seeing where else you go from here.

Sloonei is town. There was absolutely nothing wrong with him talking mechanically. It's not pro anything and doesn't deter the game at all. An argument could be made that it is beneficial towards the game and lets you understand what could be going on. That newfound understanding can better your reads.

Why was Sloonei being voted for mechanical talk? Ts why are you gungho about it? I can't help but agree with Sloonei that suspecting someone over mechanical is suspicious in of itself. It's lazy and never actually feels like a genuine read. Furthermore, scum use this too much to get by with their fake suspicions. Thus why it feels lazy and not genuine.

Well this is a dumpster fire of a post. I suggest you go back and read my posts rather than latching onto what your scumbuds are saying.

Opening with this is a bit much. It's a Day 1 argument of players throwing cheesy poofs at one another, and already we're "doubting that questioning is genuine". Eh.

His response to Dragomir was wack too.

A few examples. I don't know if it'd be valuable to continue digging within this narrow dialogue.

[TonyStarkPrime]

That is not an answer. What differences exist in the strategies we have implemented?

If we are using evidence now, JJJ appeared in a beam of golden light or something. That is a strong indicator that he is a goodie.

That is even further from answering the question.

Still unanswered

zzzz

who are you

[JaggedJimmyJay]

zzzz

When you say it feels like Sloonei is slimey and whispering in your ear, what exactly do you mean by that? Can you expand somehow upon that perception?

I realize we're operating a hypothetical and evidence-free zone. I have a reason.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epi stirring up paranoia makes me feel a little more comfortable with the status quo.

I had this very thought, and I appreciate that you did as well.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Can anyone tell me why they aren't inclined to answer Tony's call for a character claim?

[ts account]

When you say it feels like Sloonei is slimey and whispering in your ear, what exactly do you mean by that? Can you expand somehow upon that perception?

I realize we're operating a hypothetical and evidence-free zone. I have a reason.

Obviously since it is a gut read I cannot really quantify it. I can stamp it with [Agenda] or [Trying to control the thread] and yet sloonei's behavior is slightly more insidious than either of those?
I feel I do not understand why sloonei says any of the things they say, and I cannot see myself asking the same questions. As though they are intentionally leading a puppet of themselves toward their desired outcome.

[ts account]

Can anyone tell me why they aren't inclined to answer Tony's call for a character claim?

On first blush I assumed, based on the OP, that character was almost negligible information. Now that TSP is saying it has mechanical relevance somehow, I am loathe to share any information unless all information is shared at once (character and role).

[Sloonei]

That is not an answer. What differences exist in the strategies we have implemented?

If we are using evidence now, JJJ appeared in a beam of golden light or something. That is a strong indicator that he is a goodie.

That is even further from answering the question.

Still unanswered

zzzz

who are you

Also Gene Parmesan.

[Sloonei]

Can anyone tell me why they aren't inclined to answer Tony's call for a character claim?

There is too much time between now and a civilian victory for me to be comfortable providing any public information about roles unless I have a clear reason to think it will benefit our chances of achieving said victory.

[nutella]

When you say it feels like Sloonei is slimey and whispering in your ear, what exactly do you mean by that? Can you expand somehow upon that perception?

I realize we're operating a hypothetical and evidence-free zone. I have a reason.

Obviously since it is a gut read I cannot really quantify it. I can stamp it with [Agenda] or [Trying to control the thread] and yet sloonei's behavior is slightly more insidious than either of those?
I feel I do not understand why sloonei says any of the things they say, and I cannot see myself asking the same questions. As though they are intentionally leading a puppet of themselves toward their desired outcome.

What you're trying to say is "beep boop"

[Sloonei]

When you say it feels like Sloonei is slimey and whispering in your ear, what exactly do you mean by that? Can you expand somehow upon that perception?

I realize we're operating a hypothetical and evidence-free zone. I have a reason.

Obviously since it is a gut read I cannot really quantify it. I can stamp it with [Agenda] or [Trying to control the thread] and yet sloonei's behavior is slightly more insidious than either of those?
I feel I do not understand why sloonei says any of the things they say, and I cannot see myself asking the same questions. As though they are intentionally leading a puppet of themselves toward their desired outcome.

Most of the time I’m just asking people to clarify their own words. Like how how you used “insidious” here. Could you provide an example of insidious sloon?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

We know Epignosis is a mafioso.

Does anyone still have room left in their solving spaces for a civilian speechuck?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]ts account[/mention] would you be able to provide a link and/or directions to a game in which you were mafia-aligned?

[Sloonei]

We know Epignosis is a mafioso.

Does anyone still have room left in their solving spaces for a civilian speechuck?

It is difficult to fit him in there, not because of anything he has done, but because that means two of these other folks must be bad. Unless funnygurl and mikey have been doing some crazy hoodwinking all along, I don’f see it.

[Sloonei]

Let’s do a trustfall

[nutella]

Let’s do a trustfall

I'm a freaking god. I don't need anyone to catch me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Let’s do a trustfall

Sure. I'd like to see a couple before I bother. This exercise in particular invokes portions of the game that I missed, and I am curious to see what those things may mean to people.

[ts account]

@ts account would you be able to provide a link and/or directions to a game in which you were mafia-aligned?

Give me two seconds to fetch the finest scum games.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well hell, I can do a quick one. It just won't be based on everything.

[Sloonei]

funnygurl: has a believable claim that buries Epignosis. Generally consistent and relaxed tone throughout the game.
Long Con: Self-voted Day 1 to put himself in a tie for the lead, and Turnip Head seemed cool with it.
speedchuck: is low hanging fruit. Voted for Turnip Head Day 2.
TonyStarkPrime: Doesn’t feel like a fit. Behavior today is at odds with a mafia trying to win a game at lylo.
ts account: vocal presence throughout the game.

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Funnygurl is far and away the most comfortable read here. I wavered a bit on Long Con as I was typinf out that justification this time: his self vote made no sense in any context. If there was some mechanic in play that would have knowingly prevented his lynch, then both he and TH could sit back and let that EoD unfold exactly as it did. That’s a big If.

I owe it to myself to look more closely at Tony’s interactions with the 1 1/2 confirmed bad guys.

[ts account]

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz ... p?t=151656
Here is a game that I replaced into during night 1. No prizes for guessing who I am.

[Sloonei]

Let’s do a trustfall

I'm a freaking god. I don't need anyone to catch me.

Satan had no one to catch him and look what happened.

[Sloonei]

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz ... p?t=151656
Here is a game that I replaced into during night 1. No prizes for guessing who I am.

DaBackpack?

[ts account]

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz ... p?t=150981
Here is a game where the nightkills were essentially randomized, and I had trouble being active for EODs due to work. Note that this game contains the only recorded case of me bussing a teammate, and she was roleplaying in the most obnoxious way, I had to do it or I likely would have been outed as I have a firm belief that roleplaying is a scumtell.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Trustfall

Epignosis - He was drunk when he read his role card.

Funnygurl555 - Her claim stands in conflict with Epignosis, and I don't think that was ever necessary to lynch him. With him fully outed, the threat of her forcing a LyLo mislynch is past. She has given a strong effort that appears authentic, and her brain has been spewed all over the game in a way that is difficult to replicate in a mafioso's head.

Long Con - His interaction with Turnip Head is pretty sterling. TH pulled some bullshit trying to get suspicion heaped upon LC, particularly around the self-vote but only there. LC spent a significant portion of his post history digging deep into the matter of Turnip Head, pointedly and directly.

Sloonei - There is sufficient evidence both in this thread and in my brain to suggest that he shot Turnip Head. His play in this game is in precise alignment from what I expect of a civilian Sloonei with quarantine time on his hands. His interactions with Turnip Head are strong. His interactions with Epignosis are strong.

speedchuck - There seems to be at present zero resistance to the idea of lynching speedchuck. He was somewhat aggressive for a brief period in giving Turnip Head shit.

TonyStarkPrime - I think his interactions with Turnip Head are strong. He has approached this day phase in such an unorthodox manner that it's hard to say he is pursuing some overt "agenda".

ts account - His tone has been assertive in a way that is usually civilian. He hasn't backed down from high-intensity interchanges. His rate of contribution has not changed since nutella and I arrived to turn the game upside down. Epignosis gave him a little shit here and there.

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Sloonei > Funnygurl555 > [Long Con, ts account] > TonyStarkPrime > speedchuck > Epignosis

[Sloonei]

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz ... p?t=150981
Here is a game where the nightkills were essentially randomized, and I had trouble being active for EODs due to work. Note that this game contains the only recorded case of me bussing a teammate, and she was roleplaying in the most obnoxious way, I had to do it or I likely would have been outed as I have a firm belief that roleplaying is a scumtell.

You should steal funnygurl’s signature. It applies to you way more than her.

[ts account]

I have signatures disabled. (As well as avatars, emotes, and image embeds.) What is it?

[Sloonei]

I have signatures disabled. (As well as avatars, emotes, and image embeds.) What is it?

Spoiler: show

"Delightful" might not be as applicable, but the rest is there.

[nutella]

I have signatures disabled. (As well as avatars, emotes, and image embeds.) What is it?

First of all how do you read anything/distinguish who posted at a quick glance, second of all and more important you are so missing out on our amazing emotes

[Sloonei]

He can’t see my beer emoji. I’m a doofus.

[ts account]

epignosis- Potential for a scum mechanic to exist that gave funnygurl false results. Could actually be a traitor or something of the sort.
Funnygurl- Dunked on a (all but guaranteed) wolf, has had genuinely towny tone all game.
Long Con- The self vote as a counterwagon to a town flip is all kinds of unlikely to come from scum, and speedchuck came in day 2 hard tunneling them.
Sloonei- mechanically confirmed town. If sloonei was a wolf, they could have used the given vigshot to achieve parity.
speedchuck- They like, have a page of posts that showed they were trying, for that page.
TonyStarkPrime- Their day 1 was unassuming but comfortable.
ts account- Has behavioral associatives that prevent them from being linked to any other potential wolf in the game.

I do not know if I fully did this right but I saw what you folks were doing.

[Sloonei]

epignosis- Potential for a scum mechanic to exist that gave funnygurl false results. Could actually be a traitor or something of the sort.
Funnygurl- Dunked on a (all but guaranteed) wolf, has had genuinely towny tone all game.
Long Con- The self vote as a counterwagon to a town flip is all kinds of unlikely to come from scum, and speedchuck came in day 2 hard tunneling them.
Sloonei- mechanically confirmed town. If sloonei was a wolf, they could have used the given vigshot to achieve parity.
speedchuck- They like, have a page of posts that showed they were trying, for that page.
TonyStarkPrime- Their day 1 was unassuming but comfortable.
ts account- Has behavioral associatives that prevent them from being linked to any other potential wolf in the game.

I do not know if I fully did this right but I saw what you folks were doing.

You've done it right so far. The last step is reflecting on which of these reads you believed in the most, and which you believed in the least?

[ts account]

I have signatures disabled. (As well as avatars, emotes, and image embeds.) What is it?

First of all how do you read anything/distinguish who posted at a quick glance, second of all and more important you are so missing out on our amazing emotes

I have dyslexia but for pictures. So it is easier for me to tell who is who by tone or by glancing at their username.

[ts account]

epignosis- Potential for a scum mechanic to exist that gave funnygurl false results. Could actually be a traitor or something of the sort.
Funnygurl- Dunked on a (all but guaranteed) wolf, has had genuinely towny tone all game.
Long Con- The self vote as a counterwagon to a town flip is all kinds of unlikely to come from scum, and speedchuck came in day 2 hard tunneling them.
Sloonei- mechanically confirmed town. If sloonei was a wolf, they could have used the given vigshot to achieve parity.
speedchuck- They like, have a page of posts that showed they were trying, for that page.
TonyStarkPrime- Their day 1 was unassuming but comfortable.
ts account- Has behavioral associatives that prevent them from being linked to any other potential wolf in the game.

I do not know if I fully did this right but I saw what you folks were doing.

You've done it right so far. The last step is reflecting on which of these reads you believed in the most, and which you believed in the least?

I found the speedchuck line to be laughable at best. Epignosis' argument was better than that. My best argument is for sloonei.

[Sloonei]

speedchuck - There seems to be at present zero resistance to the idea of lynching speedchuck. He was somewhat aggressive for a brief period in giving Turnip Head shit.

This is the most compelling argument for a town speedchuck.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And yet it made me feel nothing.

[ts account]

Tony, somewhere: "So clearly we should lynch speedchuck instead of Epignosis/Funnygurl!"

[ts account]

I have no clue how that translates to somebody being a wolf, but hey, it is certainly a thing that exists.

[Sloonei]

Epi is powerless. He's caught and cornered, and he knows that anything he says could incriminate his teammates. He has no words to speak.
speedchuck (assuming he's bad) is predisposed to resist his own lynch on the same level as everyone else. Doesn't count.
Teammate #3 sticks out like a sore thumb if they're the only one defending speedchuck.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Thinking through a trustfall leaves me worse on everyone, but in a different order.

(epi) speed TS FG LC Sloonei

As for the roles thing, I have a power that has the ability to essentially act as a cop for any player. It only works on certain roles — I need to find one of those roles to use it. It also only works on odd nights, and since this is the last odd night in the game (most likely) I will have no more opportunities to make use of it. So that’s why I’m asking now. I just need character names.